2017 DB Thread

[ravensnation5220]

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

no i agree - the point is if someone is found not guilty and there is no reason to suspect that the act was committed despite that verdict then that shouldnt count as a DV problem - in the same way that dalvin cook i dont think is off our board because of DV i think if he's off our board its because of the animal abuse

Yes absolutely agree with you there. Especially on dalvin cook. I think that animal abuse citation is what keeps him off our board as well. Fyi I'm bout to post Tim Williams combine interview on the media mock thread. Check it out and let me know your opinion

[purpletide]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Yes absolutely agree with you there. Especially on dalvin cook. I think that animal abuse citation is what keeps him off our board as well. Fyi I'm bout to post Tim Williams combine interview on the media mock thread. Check it out and let me know your opinion

Nice. I'm excited to see all the Brandon Chicken jokes.

[Edgar]

13 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

no i agree - the point is if someone is found not guilty and there is no reason to suspect that the act was committed despite that verdict then that shouldnt count as a DV problem - in the same way that dalvin cook i dont think is off our board because of DV i think if he's off our board its because of the animal abuse

That's interesting. I haven't researched Cook's background. I'm aware he has some sort of history related t domestic violence but know nothing of the details.

As a player, he is without a doubt worthy of pick 16. He may be the only offensive player I see in this draft that coordinators will have to game plan all week to stop.

You could be down 14 in the fourth quarter and defenses have to honor play action. 

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, purpletide said:

Nice. I'm excited to see all the Brandon Chicken jokes.

Lol ya you shoudve been here when we first talked about it. There were too many puns to count. 

Fyi I think Brandon chicken might be a street name for Matt Elam lol

[purpletide]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol ya you shoudve been here when we first talked about it. There were too many puns to count. 

Fyi I think Brandon chicken might be a street name for Matt Elam lol

LOL that suits him well

Edited March 16 by purpletide

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, Edgar said:

That's interesting. I haven't researched Cook's background. I'm aware he has some sort of history related t domestic violence but know nothing of the details.

As a player, he is without a doubt worthy of pick 16. He may be the only offensive player I see in this draft that coordinators will have to game plan all week to stop.

You could be down 14 in the fourth quarter and defenses have to honor play action. 

Ya he's got a lot of arrests dating back to high school. His animal abuse seems to be the worse of them. He chained 3 puppies around the neck and left them outside. The dogs were found practically chocking and were left in the rain during that time 

Sorry to get off topic from the DB thread guys

[January J]

10 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Jourdan Lewis is now officially off our board. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/_/id/18916879/former-michigan-wolverines-cb-jourdan-lewis-charged-one-count-misdemeanor-domestic-violence

Was about to post the exact same thing word for word. Scratch him off the list. If he was on there anyway.

[ravensnation5220]

12 minutes ago, January J said:

Was about to post the exact same thing word for word. Scratch him off the list. If he was on there anyway.

Lol great minds think alike 😉

Sucks too cause he seems like a decent kid. Him and Desmond king came from the same part of Detroit and practically grew up together. 

[rossihunter2]

10 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol great minds think alike 😉

Sucks too cause he seems like a decent kid. Him and Desmond king came from the same part of Detroit and practically grew up together. 

if it helps - i think he would have ended up between our 2nd and 3rd picks anyway

[rossihunter2]

i have to think that with the brandon carr signing and sidney jones injury that the only way we go cb in the first is if lattimore falls to us

[jboy19]

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i have to think that with the brandon carr signing and sidney jones injury that the only way we go cb in the first is if lattimore falls to us

I personally wouldn't be too upset with Conley or Humphrey at 16 if Lattimore and Wilson are gone. 

[rossihunter2]

21 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I personally wouldn't be too upset with Conley or Humphrey at 16 if Lattimore and Wilson are gone. 

i just dont like the value at that point tbh and i love conley but at 16 that's rich even for me

[jboy19]

21 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i just dont like the value at that point tbh and i love conley but at 16 that's rich even for me

I think they're underrated

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24 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I think they're underrated

I agree. Conley gets overshadowed by Malik Hooker and Lattimore despite being a good corner, and I don't know why Humphrey gets a bad rap, he'd fit us nicely.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

I think they're underrated

 

1 hour ago, purpletide said:

I agree. Conley gets overshadowed by Malik Hooker and Lattimore despite being a good corner, and I don't know why Humphrey gets a bad rap, he'd fit us nicely.

I agree with both of you but I still don't think either will be the pick at 16

[purpletide]

31 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

 

I agree with both of you but I still don't think either will be the pick at 16

I'm not too sure it happens either. Now that we have Carr that's even more reason to go BPA, and I think we could get a good slider. If no one slides, that's when I think we go Humphrey, Tim Williams, or maybe trade back (could go Robinson or Lamp but I don't know where they're projected).

[Baltimore RAYvens]

9 hours ago, purpletide said:

Nice. I'm excited to see all the Brandon Chicken jokes.

Is that a relative? His friend's name is Buster Chicken.

[Edgar]

Akhello Witherspoon ; 

Cant/doesnt want to play the run to save his life. Let me get that out of the way.

He is, however one of the better cover corners in this draft. I'm really impressed by his ability to mirror receivers in man. He has great make up speed and doesn't get beat deep.

He is the Colorado corner asked most often to shadow the opposition's best receiver.

Very, very impressive one on one in the red zone. Understands how to defend and spot a fade, back shoulder and a quick slant on an island and displays great ball skills , usually making the play.

Nearly always in good position to make a play on the ball....poorly timed leaps at times, however.

Very quick feet....appears natural, easy and under control.

Tackling must improve. Havent seen all the corners in this class but as a pure cover corner, based on the games available, I put only Lattimore and Jones above him.

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Akhello Witherspoon ; 

Cant/doesnt want to play the run to save his life. Let me get that out of the way.

He is, however one of the better cover corners in this draft. I'm really impressed by his ability to mirror receivers in man. He has great make up speed and doesn't get beat deep.

He is the Colorado corner asked most often to shadow the opposition's best receiver.

Very, very impressive one on one in the red zone. Understands how to defend and spot a fade, back shoulder and a quick slant on an island and displays great ball skills , usually making the play.

Nearly always in good position to make a play on the ball....poorly timed leaps at times, however.

Very quick feet....appears natural, easy and under control.

Tackling must improve. Havent seen all the corners in this class but as a pure cover corner, based on the games available, I put only Lattimore and Jones above him.

i think that's a little of an over exaggeration but i do like him - id still have conley, lewis, awuzie and moreau ahead of him as pure cover corners... and maybe a couple of others but ive got an early 3rd round grade on him but he did have a brilliant combine - i do really like him as prospect though because i think he has a nice complementary skillset for our db group - i wish his ball skills were better but you cant have everything or he'd be graded a lot higher

there's a large number of corners whom i need to have another look at because the corners were the first group (behind edge rushers) that i started evaluating

corners i need to watch more film on: fabian moreau, chidobe awuzie, cam sutton, howard wilson, rasul douglas, akhello witherspoon, domantae kazee and some of the 6th/7th round prospects who i havent properly sorted out yet

Edited March 18 by rossihunter2

[Edgar]

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think that's a little of an over exaggeration but i do like him - id still have conley, lewis, awuzie and moreau ahead of him as pure cover corners... and maybe a couple of others but ive got an early 3rd round grade on him but he did have a brilliant combine - i do really like him as prospect though because i think he has a nice complementary skillset for our db group - i wish his ball skills were better but you cant have everything or he'd be graded a lot higher

there's a large number of corners whom i need to have another look at because the corners were the first group (behind edge rushers) that i started evaluating

corners i need to watch more film on: fabian moreau, chidobe awuzie, cam sutton, howard wilson, rasul douglas, akhello witherspoon, domantae kazee and some of the 6th/7th round prospects who i havent properly sorted out yet

I wasn't aware of his combine...just his film. I could buy Conley.....not Awuzie or lewis...haven't watched much of Moreau.

Awuzie is not the man corner he is by a long shot.

I need to watch more of White as well. 

By " ball skills ", I assume you mean more than just picks?

Watch his man red zone coverage of Ross....and against Utah. He makes great plays on the ball. Oh, and he shut Ross down vs. Washington......coaches didn't put Awuzie on Ross.

 

Edited March 18 by Edgar

[cushrinada1986]

Saw this kid at the combine and he put up some real good numbers. A lot of teams will be looking at him to see if he can play corner(which he does have experience). Took a snapshot of his combine numbers along with Jimmys back in the day and its not bad comparison at all. Since we have Carr now he doesn't have to be ready right now. He has the size and speed to play coverage LB, SS, FS, and CB. Could also be Jimmy eventual replacement either due to retirement or injury.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000790851/Obi-Melifonwu-2017-Combine-Workout

 

[PurpleSnowman]

What do you guys think about Budda Baker at 16? We are very thin at safety behind Weddle and Jefferson, and we currently do not have a single-high, center-field type safety on our roster. He showed his speed at the combine and from the tape I've watched he seems to have good hand and instincts on the back end. He may be the reason why Jones and King weren't reluctant to act on their instinct when it came to undercutting slant routes or playing press coverage since they had a good safety behind them who could cover and make up ground quickly. He also is a sure tackler and uses his body. I wouldn't mind picking him up with our first rounder and have him spend a year or two learning behind Weddle and coming in on passing downs with Jefferson playing as a nickel LB next to Mosely.    

[RavensFanMania]

On 3/16/2017 at 4:37 PM, jboy19 said:

I personally wouldn't be too upset with Conley or Humphrey at 16 if Lattimore and Wilson are gone. 

I agree with that.  Feel Humphrey fits us to a T.  Like Tre White as well.

[purpletide]

19 minutes ago, PurpleSnowman said:

What do you guys think about Budda Baker at 16? We are very thin at safety behind Weddle and Jefferson, and we currently do not have a single-high, center-field type safety on our roster. He showed his speed at the combine and from the tape I've watched he seems to have good hand and instincts on the back end. He may be the reason why Jones and King weren't reluctant to act on their instinct when it came to undercutting slant routes or playing press coverage since they had a good safety behind them who could cover and make up ground quickly. He also is a sure tackler and uses his body. I wouldn't mind picking him up with our first rounder and have him spend a year or two learning behind Weddle and coming in on passing downs with Jefferson playing as a nickel LB next to Mosely.    

We'll probably go BPA in the first round which won't be Baker but if no one slides, probably Tim Williams or Humphrey unless we trade back. We're probably more likely to go Peppers than Baker if we're looking at it from the perspective you give.

[purpletide]

4 hours ago, cushrinada1986 said:

Saw this kid at the combine and he put up some real good numbers. A lot of teams will be looking at him to see if he can play corner(which he does have experience). Took a snapshot of his combine numbers along with Jimmys back in the day and its not bad comparison at all. Since we have Carr now he doesn't have to be ready right now. He has the size and speed to play coverage LB, SS, FS, and CB. Could also be Jimmy eventual replacement either due to retirement or injury.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000790851/Obi-Melifonwu-2017-Combine-Workout

 

I strongly suggest moving this topic to the 2017 draft discussion. Nobody's looking for posts in this thread.

[Moderator 3]

52 minutes ago, purpletide said:

I strongly suggest moving this topic to the 2017 draft discussion. Nobody's looking for posts in this thread.

Moved to the right year and right thread. 

[ravensnation5220]

4 hours ago, cushrinada1986 said:

Saw this kid at the combine and he put up some real good numbers. A lot of teams will be looking at him to see if he can play corner(which he does have experience). Took a snapshot of his combine numbers along with Jimmys back in the day and its not bad comparison at all. Since we have Carr now he doesn't have to be ready right now. He has the size and speed to play coverage LB, SS, FS, and CB. Could also be Jimmy eventual replacement either due to retirement or injury.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000790851/Obi-Melifonwu-2017-Combine-Workout

 

Was the draft grade different back then???? Cause Myles Garrett has a 7.6 grade. How did Smith get and 8.08, I haven't seen one that high in a while on nfl.com

[ravensnation5220]

Funny. Jimmy Smith and Marlon Humphreys draft profiles are almost identical other than the face that Jimmy was better in press and Marlon in zone. Both had trouble turning their head and locating the ball as well as some hip stiffness. Marlon is the better tackler comming out however

[Number23]

23 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Was the draft grade different back then???? Cause Myles Garrett has a 7.6 grade. How did Smith get and 8.08, I haven't seen one that high in a while on nfl.com

Yeah the scale changed a few years back

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, cushrinada1986 said:

Saw this kid at the combine and he put up some real good numbers. A lot of teams will be looking at him to see if he can play corner(which he does have experience). Took a snapshot of his combine numbers along with Jimmys back in the day and its not bad comparison at all. Since we have Carr now he doesn't have to be ready right now. He has the size and speed to play coverage LB, SS, FS, and CB. Could also be Jimmy eventual replacement either due to retirement or injury.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000790851/Obi-Melifonwu-2017-Combine-Workout

 

melifonwu is much slower in coverage than jimmy - his back pedal is something that is fine and fluid for a safety but nowhere near quick enough to be a corner at this point - he's an intriguing prospect but he fits much better in my opinion at safety where he's been playing all this time - he killed the combine and he has some good tape so he may sneak into the first round but he's not a corner in my eyes at all