2017 DB Thread

[purpletide]

6 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I agree I really want Webb back. Having 3 top 15 safeties makes me drool. And if Peppers was taken he could be used as a ILB more than SS. He may be small but I think he would be decent in coverage, Mosley basically is a one man running game stopper. Need more of a guy in coverage. I think that is why Orr had such a breakout year.

I also think Peppers wouldn't be bad as a FS. That's what makes his stock so high, we can throw him in a lot of places and I don't see him having many issues.

[Jacquouille]

42 minutes ago, purpletide said:

I also think Peppers wouldn't be bad as a FS. That's what makes his stock so high, we can throw him in a lot of places and I don't see him having many issues.

I don't see him as a FS actually, strictly SS. I know FS are not asked to do just that but he's bad when playing the back end. The box is where he shines.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I don't see him as a FS actually, strictly SS. I know FS are not asked to do just that but he's bad when playing the back end. The box is where he shines.

I agree I think SS is his best fit.. The only other spot I dare try him would be ILB but I still have hope Correa pans out there. 

I'm hoping that Foster or Davis falls to 16. 

[jazz1988]

24 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I don't see him as a FS actually, strictly SS. I know FS are not asked to do just that but he's bad when playing the back end. The box is where he shines.

I haven't watched alot of Peppers but if it's true that Jim Harbaugh said that Peppers football IQ is up there with Andrew Luck then that's  a strong endorsement. It makes me think that he could possibly handle playing free safety especially if mentored by a  guy like Eric Weddle or any successful veteran free safety.

[RavensDieHard21]

On 3/12/2017 at 8:02 PM, allblackraven said:

There is virtually nothing left in O line free agency and we are short of RT, thin at center and guard position is becoming very important with Yanda's age. I'm almost sure one of the early picks would be offensive lineman.

I think we take offensive lineman within the third round. If there is a run on CB and edge early and no one like Foster, Williams or Davis fall to us, then I wouldn't be against taking Forest Lamp or Cam Robinson. 

However, I do think we are much more likely to see Elflein taken in the second or Moton, Asiata, Orlosky, or Pocic taken in the third

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think we take offensive lineman within the third round. If there is a run on CB and edge early and no one like Foster, Williams or Davis fall to us, then I wouldn't be against taking Forest Lamp or Cam Robinson. 

However, I do think we are much more likely to see Elflein taken in the second or Moton, Asiata, Orlosky, or Pocic taken in the third

I can see cam robinson more and more as a potential player for us at 16 as long as we are drafting him to be a guard because he looks like a top 15 guy at guard - I'm not sure I feel as good about forest lamp as most people on these boards... his short arms really bother me for some reason and I'm not sure he's a top 16 player but I'll admit I haven't majorly adjusted my board yet since the re-signing of Brandon Williams, the signing of Jefferson and woodhead (with dixon's suspension) and the injury to Sidney jones - however I still don't see forest lamp's value that high at the moment

[RavensDieHard21]

Okay before the I hurt to Jones I was holding out that he would be our guy. Now that he is gone, there seems to be three guys that could fit. 

Who do you guys like the most between. 

1. Marlon Humphrey 

2. Gareon Conley 

3. Quincy Wilson

The buzz on Wilson has cooled and a lot of mocks don't even have him in the first after the combine, which might make him a round 2 steal. For me It comes down to Hump vs Conley. 

Conley has a moderately high floor and projects to be an above average corner. He killed the combine as far as I am concerned and he is better than most give him credit for. He got overshadowed by Hooker and Lattimore. Very solid in coverage but lacks aggressiveness. 

Humphrey to me is a Jimmy Smith clone, but I think Smith was a bit more sticky coming out of college. I think besides Lattimore, Humphrey had the highest ceiling. His ultra aggressive style screams Baltimore. He plays no games in shedding blocks and coming in to make tackles. He has the deep speed to keep up and the length to cover. If he improves his jam and is more patient in opening up, he will be able to more often than not, dictate where the receivers can go on each play.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I can see cam robinson more and more as a potential player for us at 16 as long as we are drafting him to be a guard because he looks like a top 15 guy at guard - I'm not sure I feel as good about forest lamp as most people on these boards... his short arms really bother me for some reason and I'm not sure he's a top 16 player but I'll admit I haven't majorly adjusted my board yet since the re-signing of Brandon Williams, the signing of Jefferson and woodhead (with dixon's suspension) and the injury to Sidney jones - however I still don't see forest lamp's value that high at the moment

That is the question though, do Harbaugh and Ozzie think Lewis could kick out to EAT or would they rather fill in Robinson at Guard and keeping Lewis for depth? Robinson is a violent run blocker, but is clunky in pass pro, but the key to turning around our offense is a power run game. Robinson could be the answer. 

Lamp might not be value at 16 due to the potential of other players being there like Barnett, Davis, Humphrey, etc , but I think Lamp is a great player. His short arms are no worry. He is a super crafty and physical blocker and I think he is a little similar to Yanda. 

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Okay before the I hurt to Jones I was holding out that he would be our guy. Now that he is gone, there seems to be three guys that could fit. 

Who do you guys like the most between. 

1. Marlon Humphrey 

2. Gareon Conley 

3. Quincy Wilson

The buzz on Wilson has cooled and a lot of mocks don't even have him in the first after the combine, which might make him a round 2 steal. For me It comes down to Hump vs Conley. 

Conley has a moderately high floor and projects to be an above average corner. He killed the combine as far as I am concerned and he is better than most give him credit for. He got overshadowed by Hooker and Lattimore. Very solid in coverage but lacks aggressiveness. 

Humphrey to me is a Jimmy Smith clone, but I think Smith was a bit more sticky coming out of college. I think besides Lattimore, Humphrey had the highest ceiling. His ultra aggressive style screams Baltimore. He plays no games in shedding blocks and coming in to make tackles. He has the deep speed to keep up and the length to cover. If he improves his jam and is more patient in opening up, he will be able to more often than not, dictate where the receivers can go on each play.

I think you are underselling conley's ceiling a bit - he confirmed he has the deep speed and fluid hips and back pedal to be a successful outside corner and has some phenomenal tape - he trailed Mike Williams all over the field vs Clemson and showed really well despite being on the same team as lattimore - he has ideal length as well and he uses that length to make plays on the ball in the air which he does well because he consistently is able to turn his head and find the football

 Marlon Humphrey is someone I initially didn't like as a prospect but have slowly come around on - his coverage skills still worry me a lot, and his lack of ball skills on film were not ideal although he did well in the ball skill drills at the combine - I dunno, I worry about Humphrey a little bit albeit I see a lot of good things in his game that will definitely translate well in the NFL and there is definitely something attractive about his confrontational play style

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

That is the question though, do Harbaugh and Ozzie think Lewis could kick out to EAT or would they rather fill in Robinson at Guard and keeping Lewis for depth? Robinson is a violent run blocker, but is clunky in pass pro, but the key to turning around our offense is a power run game. Robinson could be the answer. 

Lamp might not be value at 16 due to the potential of other players being there like Barnett, Davis, Humphrey, etc , but I think Lamp is a great player. His short arms are no worry. He is a super crafty and physical blocker and I think he is a little similar to Yanda. 

If I'm honest I doubt we take an offensive lineman but I'd be interested if we did take Robinson to see if they shift him or Lewis to right tackle... I know they see Lewis as a guard but he performed ok in a pinch at left tackle and I think part of the reservations about him playing right tackle have to come from him always playing the left side of he line in college and the pros and that switch being more difficult - I could see them backtracking on Lewis as only a LG if they give him an entire training camp - as it is I doubt this becomes a dilemma because I doubt we pick a lineman in the first few rounds unless it's elflein or pocic as a centre or moron at guard or Dawkins as a right tackle

[RavensDieHard21]

27 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think you are underselling conley's ceiling a bit - he confirmed he has the deep speed and fluid hips and back pedal to be a successful outside corner and has some phenomenal tape - he trailed Mike Williams all over the field vs Clemson and showed really well despite being on the same team as lattimore - he has ideal length as well and he uses that length to make plays on the ball in the air which he does well because he consistently is able to turn his head and find the football

 Marlon Humphrey is someone I initially didn't like as a prospect but have slowly come around on - his coverage skills still worry me a lot, and his lack of ball skills on film were not ideal although he did well in the ball skill drills at the combine - I dunno, I worry about Humphrey a little bit albeit I see a lot of good things in his game that will definitely translate well in the NFL and there is definitely something attractive about his confrontational play style

It is an unpopular idea, but Conley could be the pick at 16. As you have stated, he has a good resume and checked off all of the boxes at the combine. 

[RavensDieHard21]

23 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

If I'm honest I doubt we take an offensive lineman but I'd be interested if we did take Robinson to see if they shift him or Lewis to right tackle... I know they see Lewis as a guard but he performed ok in a pinch at left tackle and I think part of the reservations about him playing right tackle have to come from him always playing the left side of he line in college and the pros and that switch being more difficult - I could see them backtracking on Lewis as only a LG if they give him an entire training camp - as it is I doubt this becomes a dilemma because I doubt we pick a lineman in the first few rounds unless it's elflein or pocic as a centre or moron at guard or Dawkins as a right tackle

I agree. Likely the only picks we take on the line will come between round 2 and 3

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think we take offensive lineman within the third round. If there is a run on CB and edge early and no one like Foster, Williams or Davis fall to us, then I wouldn't be against taking Forest Lamp or Cam Robinson. 

However, I do think we are much more likely to see Elflein taken in the second or Moton, Asiata, Orlosky, or Pocic taken in the third

I'd love Asiata in the third. He even has some experience at center.

[Jacquouille]

I started watching some tape of the Miami defense, and Rayshawn Jenkins keeps on making plays. Real thumper, can also cover and has great instincts.

[ravensnation5220]

7 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I started watching some tape of the Miami defense, and Rayshawn Jenkins keeps on making plays. Real thumper, can also cover and has great instincts.

Ya I kinda like both of their safeties although Jenkins might be slightly better in coverage. They're both big and can tackle though. Would make good special teams players and add depth to safety

[Edgar]

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I can see cam robinson more and more as a potential player for us at 16 as long as we are drafting him to be a guard because he looks like a top 15 guy at guard - I'm not sure I feel as good about forest lamp as most people on these boards... his short arms really bother me for some reason and I'm not sure he's a top 16 player but I'll admit I haven't majorly adjusted my board yet since the re-signing of Brandon Williams, the signing of Jefferson and woodhead (with dixon's suspension) and the injury to Sidney jones - however I still don't see forest lamp's value that high at the moment

Wouldn't mind seeing Cam followed up with Elflein. Wouldn't be too popular around here but what a killing, young, versatile group.

This would be a real commitment to our offense for years...can you imagine the left side with Cam and Stanley? Just brutal.

[Edgar]

13 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Okay before the I hurt to Jones I was holding out that he would be our guy. Now that he is gone, there seems to be three guys that could fit. 

Who do you guys like the most between. 

1. Marlon Humphrey 

2. Gareon Conley 

3. Quincy Wilson

The buzz on Wilson has cooled and a lot of mocks don't even have him in the first after the combine, which might make him a round 2 steal. For me It comes down to Hump vs Conley. 

Conley has a moderately high floor and projects to be an above average corner. He killed the combine as far as I am concerned and he is better than most give him credit for. He got overshadowed by Hooker and Lattimore. Very solid in coverage but lacks aggressiveness. 

Humphrey to me is a Jimmy Smith clone, but I think Smith was a bit more sticky coming out of college. I think besides Lattimore, Humphrey had the highest ceiling. His ultra aggressive style screams Baltimore. He plays no games in shedding blocks and coming in to make tackles. He has the deep speed to keep up and the length to cover. If he improves his jam and is more patient in opening up, he will be able to more often than not, dictate where the receivers can go on each play.

 

I love how Wilson turns and finds the ball.

Humphrey is clearly the best of the three against the run.

Conley might be a bit of a nice combo. Better ball skills and down field then Humphrey, more physical than Wilson

[Jacquouille]

52 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I kinda like both of their safeties although Jenkins might be slightly better in coverage. They're both big and can tackle though. Would make good special teams players and add depth to safety

I think they can also be that dime LB that we're coveting, they have the physicality for it.

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, Jacquouille said:

I think they can also be that dime LB that we're coveting, they have the physicality for it.

Ya I noticed that on tape. Heavy hitters for sure

[January J]

16 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

It is an unpopular idea, but Conley could be the pick at 16. As you have stated, he has a good resume and checked off all of the boxes at the combine. 

I wouldn't mind it. Would be an underrated pick in my eyes.

16 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I'd love Asiata in the third. He even has some experience at center.

Yeah I also mocked him to us in the third. He's freakishly strong. Would be a nice pickup if we used our comp on him.

Cb, pass rusher , Wr and OL are very likely what the first 3 rounds will look like for us. The order is the question.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, January J said:

I wouldn't mind it. Would be an underrated pick in my eyes.

Yeah I also mocked him to us in the third. He's freakishly strong. Would be a nice pickup if we used our comp on him.

Cb, pass rusher , Wr and OL are very likely what the first 3 rounds will look like for us. The order is the question.

if asiata is coming in at centre then he'd be higher up my board but purely as a guard (which is where i expect he ends up) he's tough to take over a lot of other prospects in the 3rd

[ravensnation5220]

Jourdan Lewis is now officially off our board. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/_/id/18916879/former-michigan-wolverines-cb-jourdan-lewis-charged-one-count-misdemeanor-domestic-violence

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Jourdan Lewis is now officially off our board. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/_/id/18916879/former-michigan-wolverines-cb-jourdan-lewis-charged-one-count-misdemeanor-domestic-violence

Did you read the article? That's a weird situation... bizarre - but yeah he's probably off our board unless the charges get dropped (prosecution is trying to build a case first)

[ravensnation5220]

16 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Did you read the article? That's a weird situation... bizarre - but yeah he's probably off our board unless the charges get dropped (prosecution is trying to build a case first)

Ya I read it. Kinda fishy but you have to think we'd rather not worry about dealing with something like that. Besides I want some big corners from this year's draft. 

[purpletide]

19 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya I read it. Kinda fishy but you have to think we'd rather not worry about dealing with something like that. Besides I want some big corners from this year's draft. 

Yeah not sure we'd be picking him up anyway

[rossihunter2]

49 minutes ago, purpletide said:

Yeah not sure we'd be picking him up anyway

it's more about whether i take him off my board or drop him a few spots - i could see us taking him in the 3rd or the end of the 2nd maybe

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it's more about whether i take him off my board or drop him a few spots - i could see us taking him in the 3rd or the end of the 2nd maybe

It's hard to believe he'll be on our board. We said we won't take a player with a DV charge going against him. Period. Why deal with that PR problem

[rossihunter2]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

It's hard to believe he'll be on our board. We said we won't take a player with a DV charge going against him. Period. Why deal with that PR problem

they also said theyd take every case individually and he has only been charged at this point - and of course there may well be more information than in the article but from the article it sounds like its shaky - i think whether he's on our board depends on whether this is resolved before the draft or not / if he is found guilty / settles out of court

[ravensnation5220]

19 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

they also said theyd take every case individually and he has only been charged at this point - and of course there may well be more information than in the article but from the article it sounds like its shaky - i think whether he's on our board depends on whether this is resolved before the draft or not / if he is found guilty / settles out of court

The reason I find it hard to believe is the backlash of taking a player with a DV case against him after they say they will stray away from players like this. It seems hypocritical and the media would make a big deal out of it. Why deal with that? Just don't draft him and you won't have that problem

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

The reason I find it hard to believe is the backlash of taking a player with a DV case against him after they say they will stray away from players like this. It seems hypocritical and the media would make a big deal out of it. Why deal with that? Just don't draft him and you won't have that problem

no i agree - the point is if someone is found not guilty and there is no reason to suspect that the act was committed despite that verdict then that shouldnt count as a DV problem - in the same way that dalvin cook i dont think is off our board because of DV i think if he's off our board its because of the animal abuse