2017 DB Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

 

Going to be honest, Marlon Humphrey is the one name I think the Ravens will target. Matt Miller very frequently singles him out as a name that is being talked about by the Ravens dating back to the Senior Bowl.

If you look at first post I said I think we're targeting Humphrey as our top corner. I think it may have been Sidney jones until the injury. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

If you look at first post I said I think we're targeting Humphrey as our top corner. I think it may have been Sidney jones until the injury. 

Okay, well, there is a such thing as quoting for agreement...

But in any case, I don't think this drops Jones all that far. If he's going to be ready early in the season, this isn't a back breaking injury. It'll just be a question of how soon can he be ready?

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Okay, well, there is a such thing as quoting for agreement...

But in any case, I don't think this drops Jones all that far. If he's going to be ready early in the season, this isn't a back breaking injury. It'll just be a question of how soon can he be ready?

I didn't know you were agreeing since it wasn't in that specific post lol my bad. 

I don't think he goes tumbling either but if he was once a 12-18 kinda guy he could get passed on by teams like the ravens who must be terrified of an injured corner at this point. Maybe an overreaction but you gotta think they're taking every precaution with the luck we've had with injuries

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

I didn't know you were agreeing since it wasn't in that specific post lol my bad. 

I don't think he goes tumbling either but if he was once a 12-18 kinda guy he could get passed on by teams like the ravens who must be terrified of an injured corner at this point. Maybe an overreaction but you gotta think they're taking every precaution with the luck we've had with injuries

I don't know if he was ever viewed that high by the media. Always seen him in that 20-25 range, but that's just the media.

If he's viewed in that range by teams, that's a lot of playoff teams who can maybe afford to wait. I bet he goes in the first.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't know if he was ever viewed that high by the media. Always seen him in that 20-25 range, but that's just the media.

If he's viewed in that range by teams, that's a lot of playoff teams who can maybe afford to wait. I bet he goes in the first.

Yeah I don't see him falling to the second. He seemed to be the consensus 2nd or 3rd corner with lattimore tops and him constantly swapping spots with Humphrey in the teens, I prefer jones but I digress. I think right now the 3 from Bama are really high on our board, Humphrey cam and Williams, I think we would prefer Humphrey over the rest but wouldn't be surprised with Robinson. I doubt we go williams but I do think he's got a decent spot on our board

[allblackraven]

23 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

Going to be honest, Marlon Humphrey is the one name I think the Ravens will target. Matt Miller very frequently singles him out as a name that is being talked about by the Ravens dating back to the Senior Bowl.

I wouldn't mind that pick, either. There are lot of directions we can take - we'll end up with a good player.

[hn68wb4]

Sucks for Jones, but I still want him and I'm not dropping him as my top CB unless we hear rehab set back leading up to the draft. Achilles injuries are tough, but the 6 month recovery period means he will be able to play in his rookie year, but he'll probably miss a couple games. If we pick up Claiborne them I'm still 100% on the Jones bandwagon, maybe now we have a prayer of landing him in the second, not likely, but a possiblity and I'd be in favor of moving up if need be. The good news about a strong CB class is that teams won't feel the need to reach or take a chance on his injury, they're much more likely to just bump up the next guy in line.

[BmoreBird22]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah I don't see him falling to the second. He seemed to be the consensus 2nd or 3rd corner with lattimore tops and him constantly swapping spots with Humphrey in the teens, I prefer jones but I digress. I think right now the 3 from Bama are really high on our board, Humphrey cam and Williams, I think we would prefer Humphrey over the rest but wouldn't be surprised with Robinson. I doubt we go williams but I do think he's got a decent spot on our board

I think Robinson is very much not a priority because he projects as a guard and the Ravens need a tackle.

[hn68wb4]

I can't believe there are some on other forums saying they wouldn't touch him until the 4th, you're crazy if you think Jones will fall out of the second. In a class loaded with CBs beyond belief he was one of the best, many would even argue the best. The guy is too freaking good to tumble far, some team will happily grab him as a steal in the second. Achilles tears are certainly not irrelevant but in recent history they have been far less devastating than they once were, especially for the younger guys.

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think Robinson is very much not a priority because he projects as a guard and the Ravens need a tackle.

They said bigger and stronger on the line... he represents an upgrade in that department and also we need a guard before yanda begins to decline 

[RavensFanMania]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They said bigger and stronger on the line... he represents an upgrade in that department and also we need a guard before yanda begins to decline 

I'd much rather grab, edge, cb, or wr in the first round and  have no  preference.

Edited March 12 by RavensFanMania

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I'd much rather grab, edge, cb, or wr in the first round and  have no  preference.

Me too for sure, just trying to look at it like I'm in the FO. They have a track record and I feel like they've gotten predictable, I just feel like cam and Humphrey are 2 of the top guys on the board at 16

[BmoreBird22]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They said bigger and stronger on the line... he represents an upgrade in that department and also we need a guard before yanda begins to decline 

There are more pressing needs than a guard who may or may not even present good value at 16 (I err on the side of poor value).

[Somerset Ravens]

45 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I can't believe there are some on other forums saying they wouldn't touch him until the 4th, you're crazy if you think Jones will fall out of the second. In a class loaded with CBs beyond belief he was one of the best, many would even argue the best. The guy is too freaking good to tumble far, some team will happily grab him as a steal in the second. Achilles tears are certainly not irrelevant but in recent history they have been far less devastating than they once were, especially for the younger guys.

Jones will definitely drop in the draft, how far will depend on his recovery time. With so many other good corners in this draft he may drop farther than you think he should.

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

There are more pressing needs than a guard who may or may not even present good value at 16 (I err on the side of poor value).

I'm not vouching for cam here just to be clear, and I agree, it's just something I can see the ravens doing

[cobrajet]

I thought Jones would be a good pick for us in the first and thought that he could fall to us. I am sorry to read about the Achilles injury. I would not take him in the first now. I am sure the guys is very upset at the timing of his injury.

[RaineV1]

It would be pretty amazing if we got someone great in the first, and then managed to snag Jones in the 2nd because of his injury.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

It would be pretty amazing if we got someone great in the first, and then managed to snag Jones in the 2nd because of his injury.

It'll depend on the prognosis... recovery time and all that. 

We did see Jaylon Smith take a tumble due to injury. Though he was always going to miss a full year where as Jones could return for part of his rookie year. 

Myles Jack was an entirely different tumble bc his effected long term health potential. 

I don't see Jones falling all the way to our pick in the 2nd but crazier things have happened. For a CB with so much stop and start, changing directions, and accelerating - some teams could be scared off by an Achilles injury. 

Def not as career threatening as they used to be, but still a concern for sure. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Did we overrate Quincy Wilsons draft position??

I personally like him a lot and early on it seemed the consensus was that he was a top 5 guy at CB likely to go in the first. 

Some still seem to feel that way, but as the process goes on the media guys tend to have a more accurate picture of what actual teams boards look like.... and I've seen Wilson falling further and further from that top group. 

Tabor too I've seen more and more at the back of the 1st with guys like White, Conley and Adoree Jackson moving up into the 1st or from back end of 1st to mid round  

If that ends up being the case and he's more of a 2nd round guy I'd absolutely love to grab him there especially if we go pass rusher, Foster or WR in the 1st. 

 

If we could get any of Wilson, Tabor, White, Conley, Adoree or maybe even Tank in the 2nd I'd be pretty pumped. I think any of them could step in Day 1. 

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Did we overrate Quincy Wilsons draft position??

One analyst I really respect is Matt Miller because he routinely talks to scouts and tends to mold his mocks partially based on how the media views players. He still has Wilson going in the first.

[rossihunter2]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Did we overrate Quincy Wilsons draft position??

I personally like him a lot and early on it seemed the consensus was that he was a top 5 guy at CB likely to go in the first. 

Some still seem to feel that way, but as the process goes on the media guys tend to have a more accurate picture of what actual teams boards look like.... and I've seen Wilson falling further and further from that top group. 

Tabor too I've seen more and more at the back of the 1st with guys like White, Conley and Adoree Jackson moving up into the 1st or from back end of 1st to mid round  

If that ends up being the case and he's more of a 2nd round guy I'd absolutely love to grab him there especially if we go pass rusher, Foster or WR in the 1st. 

 

If we could get any of Wilson, Tabor, White, Conley, Adoree or maybe even Tank in the 2nd I'd be pretty pumped. I think any of them could step in Day 1. 

i still see wilson as my 3rd corner - or did until jones's injury so its a bit of a mess but wilson is still pretty high on my board - i wouldnt touch teez, or tankersley to be honest - i see them both as potential busts - im a big fan of gareon conley though i dont think hes the best cb prospect but hes my favourite corner in the draft

[BmoreBird22]

Of my favorite prospects, I still have Wilson, Humphrey, and White as my three favorite.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I accidentally started a new thread about this, but now I think I've found the right place to post it:

I am not an adept student of the college game nor do I have any real clue as to who is being drafted when. I will let the other guys around here that know more than I do sort all that out. I simply want to get this conversation started for my own curiosity and offer up one name in the news recently.

The player is CB Sidney Jones who is considered by many "experts" to be a top 5 corner in this draft class and a day one pick. The news on him is horrible though. He suffered an apparent Achilles tendon injury on the very last drill of his pro day. Since he's expected to miss almost all if not all of his rookie season his draft stock has obviously dropped, but by how much?

Will he make it out of the first round now? If he drops to the second round will he drop low enough for the Ravens to pick him up? If he is there in round two should the Ravens draft him? They need corner help now, but being able to stash away first round talent at a second round price (or maybe lower?) and being able to team him up with another free agent pick up or highly touted draft pick next season might be intriguing enough.

I could also envision a team that doesn't really have a high pick and not needing immediate help this season picking him up very late in round one if they believe in the talent.

[purpletide]

16 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Sucks for Jones, but I still want him and I'm not dropping him as my top CB unless we hear rehab set back leading up to the draft. Achilles injuries are tough, but the 6 month recovery period means he will be able to play in his rookie year, but he'll probably miss a couple games. If we pick up Claiborne them I'm still 100% on the Jones bandwagon, maybe now we have a prayer of landing him in the second, not likely, but a possiblity and I'd be in favor of moving up if need be. The good news about a strong CB class is that teams won't feel the need to reach or take a chance on his injury, they're much more likely to just bump up the next guy in line.

I think he is still very viable for the second round, but if at the time of the draft we don't pick up any FA corners and Jones' recovery is scheduled to make him miss a chunk of games, I think we take Humphrey in the first and rather than pick up Jones in the second (if he even falls that far) we fill another hole with that pick. Given this situation I don't see us waiting for his recovery, just trying to grab some O-lineman or receivers early. I heard Jones is possibly going to miss 8-12 months rather than 6, but not too sure.

[purpletide]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Of my favorite prospects, I still have Wilson, Humphrey, and White as my three favorite.

This upcoming season will be the first one in which I actually watch (I've always watched college, just now getting into NFL), are we more of a zone or man coverage team? I think Humphrey is a good man coverage guy, but I think he'll shine in zone. Should do fine as a corner, but has the physicality and aggressiveness to play as a safety (I hate to think about it but when Weddle inevitably retires, Humphrey could be a replacement, not at the same level of course).

[PurpleCity5]

This is going to be a very tough draft, I don't know if I want to select a CB over a WR. 

[purpletide]

16 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

This is going to be a very tough draft, I don't know if I want to select a CB over a WR. 

I think we're definitely going with CB in the first, considering how much we suffer when Jimmy goes down. Still think we get a WR early, but it won't impact the offense as much as the CB will the defense until we fix our o line problem.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, purpletide said:

This upcoming season will be the first one in which I actually watch (I've always watched college, just now getting into NFL), are we more of a zone or man coverage team? I think Humphrey is a good man coverage guy, but I think he'll shine in zone. Should do fine as a corner, but has the physicality and aggressiveness to play as a safety (I hate to think about it but when Weddle inevitably retires, Humphrey could be a replacement, not at the same level of course).

Pees runs quite a bit of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 looks. 

I actually think Humphrey projects best into a Tampa 2 or Cover 3, so it works out.

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Pees runs quite a bit of Tampa 2 and Cover 3 looks. 

I actually think Humphrey projects best into a Tampa 2 or Cover 3, so it works out.

He's really a great fit for us but I really worry about his ball skills. It's not that he can't catch because he can but locating the ball down feild continues to be a problem and it won't get any easier in the NFL. Other than that he checks all the boxes. Great character, high football iq and loves the game. I just really worry teams will go bombs away against him

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

He's really a great fit for us but I really worry about his ball skills. It's not that he can't catch because he can but locating the ball down feild continues to be a problem and it won't get any easier in the NFL. Other than that he checks all the boxes. Great character, high football iq and loves the game. I just really worry teams will go bombs away against him

That's why I love him in a Cover 3 or Tampa 2. Helps keep the play in front of him more often than not.