2017 DB Thread

[Jacquouille]

20 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

With the way this class is shaping up, I can only see a first round DB or OLB, to be honest.

Depends on where we pick, but very probably yes.

[DomMcRaven]

6 hours ago, rmw10 said:

The CB depth is abysmal, and although it may not be an immediate need, you're going to need a guy for the future at some point.  It's definitely fallen down a rung with Young's emergence, but CB should absolutely still be considered a need, with the propensity to need development at CB in a significant number of cases.

 

3 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

I still think CB is an option in the first. Yeah Tavon played great yesterday but it was against a clearly not 100% Roethisberger and how quickly we forget that he was abused against the Giants. He's a great slot guy and is a fantastic piece going forward but we need guys who can play consistently on the outside opposite Jimmy, and we need depth as well. This is such a deep class that we'd still be fools to let it pass us by the first couple rounds.

So.....um yeah. Which one is it? Lol.

[hn68wb4]

12 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

 

So.....um yeah. Which one is it? Lol.

...one is referring to our team and the other to the draft...

[rmw10]

12 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

 

So.....um yeah. Which one is it? Lol.

I meant our current team's depth, not the draft.  This is the deepest draft at CB in a long time.  Sorry for the misunderstanding there.

[DomMcRaven]

Just now, hn68wb4 said:

...one is referring to our team and the other to the draft...

 

Just now, rmw10 said:

I meant our current team's depth, not the draft.  This is the deepest draft at CB in a long time.  Sorry for the misunderstanding there.

Okay. That makes a lot of sense now. Thanks guys.

[Somerset Ravens]

If we were to go db in the first round, assuming a mid round pick, I would like to see the Ravens take Desmond King from Iowa. He is a good corner and would be a big help in the return game.

[JoeyFlex5]

After further review.. Sidney Jones is incredibly underrated. He's a victim of this great cb class. Last year he would've been an easy top 20 pick and he's rarely considered to be more than an early 2nd this year(at least from what I've seen). This guy stays in his man's pocket, he blanks receivers to the point that qbs don't even look his way. He reroutes receivers to the sideline without even having to play tight press and just using body positioning. He turns his hips and gets upfield very fluidly. And he's got the reach and size for it. I'm a fan.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

After further review.. Sidney Jones is incredibly underrated. He's a victim of this great cb class. Last year he would've been an easy top 20 pick and he's rarely considered to be more than an early 2nd this year(at least from what I've seen). This guy stays in his man's pocket, he blanks receivers to the point that qbs don't even look his way. He reroutes receivers to the sideline without even having to play tight press and just using body positioning. He turns his hips and gets upfield very fluidly. And he's got the reach and size for it. I'm a fan.

I think he'll go in the late first, possibly in Ravens range depending on where they pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

46 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think he'll go in the late first, possibly in Ravens range depending on where they pick.

im thinking someone takes him in the first as well, hes too good at too high value of a position to go in the 2nd. im just talking about some of the early mocks and big boards ive seen. i think we'll definitely be able to get him in the first because im still not sold that were a playoff team, so where we may be picking could even end up with him being a reach lol. ill still take king over him if were in the teens for sure.

[Jacquouille]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

After further review.. Sidney Jones is incredibly underrated. He's a victim of this great cb class. Last year he would've been an easy top 20 pick and he's rarely considered to be more than an early 2nd this year(at least from what I've seen). This guy stays in his man's pocket, he blanks receivers to the point that qbs don't even look his way. He reroutes receivers to the sideline without even having to play tight press and just using body positioning. He turns his hips and gets upfield very fluidly. And he's got the reach and size for it. I'm a fan.

There's one thing that I both like and fear with Jones, it's his willingness to always, and I mean always look at the QB, sometimes not even looking once at the WR he's covering. I wonder if he'll keep on doing that in the pros. Otherwise, he's just too good and consistent to not be a 1st rounder. His matchup against Juju tonnight has me salivating.

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

There's one thing that I both like and fear with Jones, it's his willingness to always, and I mean always look at the QB, sometimes not even looking once at the WR he's covering. I wonder if he'll keep on doing that in the pros. Otherwise, he's just too good and consistent to not be a 1st rounder. His matchup against Juju tonnight has me salivating.

You also have John Ross vs Adoree Jackson in that game.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, ALI624 said:

You also have John Ross vs Adoree Jackson in that game.

True, but I'm really not big on  Ross. I don't know, he doesn't look blazing fast... I really like Jackson though

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

im thinking someone takes him in the first as well, hes too good at too high value of a position to go in the 2nd. im just talking about some of the early mocks and big boards ive seen. i think we'll definitely be able to get him in the first because im still not sold that were a playoff team, so where we may be picking could even end up with him being a reach lol. ill still take king over him if were in the teens for sure.

With how fluid and loose those hips are and how excellent his footwork is, I would not be surprised to see him have a Desmond Trufant type career, who I also believe went to Washington.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

With how fluid and loose those hips are and how excellent his footwork is, I would not be surprised to see him have a Desmond Trufant type career, who I also believe went to Washington.

i seem to have a fascination with washington defenders. not sure what it is i just always like them. i really liked shaq thompson, marcus peters, kikaha, trufant, only one i didnt like was shelton, and i actually did like him i just thought he was overhyped and overdrafted. they have just been on a tear with quality defenders the past few years

[BmoreBird22]

37 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i seem to have a fascination with washington defenders. not sure what it is i just always like them. i really liked shaq thompson, marcus peters, kikaha, trufant, only one i didnt like was shelton, and i actually did like him i just thought he was overhyped and overdrafted. they have just been on a tear with quality defenders the past few years

I really liked Shelton, loved Trufant, loved Peters, wasn't huge on Shaq.

[Wildabeast88]

On November 6, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Jacquouille said:

@JoeyFlex5 Wilson is considered top15 and Jackson definitely isn't. He's more probably a second rounder. 

 

I don't see the hype with Hooker. I love Gareon Conley and the other other OSU CB (completely forgot his name sorry), Sidney Jones, Adoree Jackson, Desmond King and Jourdan Lewis. If one of them is there for our second round we probably must jump on him.

 

Late round gem at safety: Xavier Woods, absolute baller that no one knows. 

Ohio St is it Lattimore I think he may be draft eligible I think he is a redshirt sophomore but he is amazing, as a biased Buckeye fan of course, but seriously he is better than Eli Apple who went top 15. Heard some scouts talk about him as a FS comp to Ed Reed. 

[Wildabeast88]

On November 6, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Jacquouille said:

@JoeyFlex5 Wilson is considered top15 and Jackson definitely isn't. He's more probably a second rounder. 

 

I don't see the hype with Hooker. I love Gareon Conley and the other other OSU CB (completely forgot his name sorry), Sidney Jones, Adoree Jackson, Desmond King and Jourdan Lewis. If one of them is there for our second round we probably must jump on him.

 

Late round gem at safety: Xavier Woods, absolute baller that no one knows. 

Is it Lattimore you are thinking of. He's a redshirt sophomore I believe, if not then he can't come out til next year. But he's better than Eli Apple who went top 15 last year. Some scouts think Lattimore is a better FS have heard the Ed Reed comp which is high praise but he is a ballhawk and playmaker.

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Is it Lattimore you are thinking of. He's a redshirt sophomore I believe, if not then he can't come out til next year. But he's better than Eli Apple who went top 15 last year. Some scouts think Lattimore is a better FS have heard the Ed Reed comp which is high praise but he is a ballhawk and playmaker.

Yeah it's Lattimore, he was really impressive on tape.

Weren't scouts talking about Malik Hooker as the Ed Reed comp?

 

[RaineV1]

On 11/11/2016 at 10:07 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

After further review.. Sidney Jones is incredibly underrated. He's a victim of this great cb class. Last year he would've been an easy top 20 pick and he's rarely considered to be more than an early 2nd this year(at least from what I've seen). This guy stays in his man's pocket, he blanks receivers to the point that qbs don't even look his way. He reroutes receivers to the sideline without even having to play tight press and just using body positioning. He turns his hips and gets upfield very fluidly. And he's got the reach and size for it. I'm a fan.

I really like his attitude and the preparation he puts in.

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“Being prepared — whether that’s knowing your assignments or putting in film study — builds that trust and everything else,” Jones said. “And you build that way before the play starts or the game begins.

“So now when you’re in that 1-on-1 battle, you’re better able to relax. You got to be patient at the line because he (the receiver) is going to shift, shake and do whatever, but he has to go in a direction. Don’t let him shake you. Be comfortable and be still and be in that moment. That takes care of half the problem.

“Then when it’s time to make a play, make the play.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/huskies-sidney-jones-is-cornerback-to-be-reckoned-with/

[JoeyFlex5]

10 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I really liked Shelton, loved Trufant, loved Peters, wasn't huge on Shaq.

i didnt know what shaq was gonna be, im really surprised that hes done so well as a LB, i thought he was destined to be a moneybacker/SS. 

and for shelton, i thought he looked to be very explosive for a prototypical NT, i mean you dont see a guy that big with that kind of agility, but i thought his build looked way too reminiscent of terrence cody and i was worried about him being soft because he was carrying so much fat. his athleticism was through the roof in comparison though, and he has gotten more solid this offseason so my concerns were nullified lol.

Edited November 13, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I really like his attitude and the preparation he puts in.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/huskies-sidney-jones-is-cornerback-to-be-reckoned-with/

yeah man i think hes gonna be a stellar pro, hes the prototype honestly, no concerns anywhere for the kid, and ive actually been seeing him rising up on mocks, so that is a good sign for him. after watching his tape im starting to think that many other corners are overrated in this class, i like him better than either of floridas corners and marlon humphrey, i still like desmond king but jones has moved up into that range for me, and i may be one of the only people here who like adoree jackson a lot. 

if i wanna blank a receiver out of the game the way darelle revis does, give me jones, if i want to force turnovers by means of baiting throws and breaking early on routes then give me king. its a matter of "what could our defense use more" and i think that will change by the week lol, i likely wont be making up my mind between these 2.

[BmoreBird22]

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i didnt know what shaq was gonna be, im really surprised that hes done so well as a LB, i thought he was destined to be a moneybacker/SS. 

and for shelton, i thought he looked to be very explosive for a prototypical NT, i mean you dont see a guy that big with that kind of agility, but i thought his build looked way too reminiscent of terrence cody and i was worried about him being soft because he was carrying so much fat. his athleticism was through the roof in comparison though, and he has gotten more solid this offseason so my concerns were nullified lol.

That's actually the reason I was skeptical. I just had no idea what position he would actually play and it threw me off.

I think hitting the NFL weight room with his endurance already was only going to help him. I mean, the dude was playing something absurd like 80% of the snaps, right? He was hardly coming off. His entire season was crazier than Buckner playing like 300 snaps in three games.

[52520Andrew]

I think I liked Shaq Thompson although I wasn't sure where I would put him. I think I had him at LB eventually after watching what Telvin Smith was able to do.

Shelton was one where I think I got too caught up in his athleticism and overrhyped him, I thought he would be better at this point. 

I liked Trufant a good bit coming out but that was before I was posting on here all that often. Remember liking him and Brandon Williams at that senior bowl though.

Was not a big fan of Peters but he ended up in the perfect situation where he can do his thing in press coverage and has done really well. Kinda like Sherman in that I wouldn't be afraid to test him deep though and I think the scheme helps him.

Haven't seen too much of Jones yet but he did catch my eye a couple of times. Will look into him more once school gets out

Edited November 14, 2016 by 52520Andrew

[BmoreBird22]

33 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Shelton was one where I think I got too caught up in his athleticism and overrhyped him, I thought he would be better at this point. 

Was not a big fan of Peters but he ended up in the perfect situation where he can do his thing in press coverage and has done really well. Kinda like Sherman in that I wouldn't be afraid to test him deep though and I think the scheme helps him.

Shelton, to this point, is actually one of the more valuable nose tackles in the league. That's a position that's getting widely fazed out, but he's showing value in it and is arguably one of the top three, if not the top, run stuffing nose tackles in the league. He's ahead in run stops by like 15.

Peters has actually been playing a lot of off man. He really knows how to bait a throw.

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Shelton, to this point, is actually one of the more valuable nose tackles in the league. That's a position that's getting widely fazed out, but he's showing value in it and is arguably one of the top three, if not the top, run stuffing nose tackles in the league. He's ahead in run stops by like 15.

Peters has actually been playing a lot of off man. He really knows how to bait a throw.

Is Shelton doing that well? Goes to show how much I have been paying attention to him

Also good for Peters doing well in off coverage although I still do not fear going at him with the deep ball, I think Flacco and Wallace could get him there if we meet come playoff time.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, 52520Andrew said:

Is Shelton doing that well? Goes to show how much I have been paying attention to him

Also good for Peters doing well in off coverage although I still do not fear going at him with the deep ball, I think Flacco and Wallace could get him there if we meet come playoff time.

I don't think he's doing a ton as a pass rusher, but he's been a monster against the run. The second Ravens game was the only one where he didn't really dominate at a normal level and he still got doubled on every run and tallied like five stops. He's been a beast against the run.

I think a lot of what hurts him against the deep ball is he is so antsy to make the play. He's probably the most dangerous corner in off man and the absolute most aggressive. Throw out a double move and you'll probably burn him.

[52520Andrew]

26 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think he's doing a ton as a pass rusher, but he's been a monster against the run. The second Ravens game was the only one where he didn't really dominate at a normal level and he still got doubled on every run and tallied like five stops. He's been a beast against the run.

I think a lot of what hurts him against the deep ball is he is so antsy to make the play. He's probably the most dangerous corner in off man and the absolute most aggressive. Throw out a double move and you'll probably burn him.

That is pretty good, I think run stuffers in general are pretty underrated, especially in a 3-4, so him holding his own at worst against double teams is a big building block for the Browns on defense. Too bad the rest of their defense isn't that great.

Yeah you can see that with him, sometimes it works wonders like last week getting that fumble and other times he gets burned for it. I also think you can get in his head kinda like OBJ, kinda would be looking forward to watching him and SSS going at it.

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

That is pretty good, I think run stuffers in general are pretty underrated, especially in a 3-4, so him holding his own at worst against double teams is a big building block for the Browns on defense. Too bad the rest of their defense isn't that great.

Yeah you can see that with him, sometimes it works wonders like last week getting that fumble and other times he gets burned for it. I also think you can get in his head kinda like OBJ, kinda would be looking forward to watching him and SSS going at it.

If he can develop into a pass rusher with any sort of consistency, like maybe 4-5 sacks a year and get some decent pressure, he'll be a real beast as a NT. 

That is one match up that I truly lament not having gotten to see. I have no idea if his personality for being a hothead has carried over to the NFL or not, but if anyone can get in his head, it's SSS. The most interesting trash talk in the NFL, bar none. But even if you get to him, Eric Berry is playing at an All Pro level and Steven Nelson (I remember a lot of people on here liking him in the mid rounds) is playing at a pretty good level. And once that defense gets Houston back to pair with Hali and Ford...

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

If he can develop into a pass rusher with any sort of consistency, like maybe 4-5 sacks a year and get some decent pressure, he'll be a real beast as a NT. 

That is one match up that I truly lament not having gotten to see. I have no idea if his personality for being a hothead has carried over to the NFL or not, but if anyone can get in his head, it's SSS. The most interesting trash talk in the NFL, bar none. But even if you get to him, Eric Berry is playing at an All Pro level and Steven Nelson (I remember a lot of people on here liking him in the mid rounds) is playing at a pretty good level. And once that defense gets Houston back to pair with Hali and Ford...

Yeah certainly has the potential

Our O-line would have their work cut out for them. Don't forget Jaye Howard and Dontari Poe inside. Also remember Nelson being very popular around here and I think Berry goes without saying. His latest pick 6 was nice. Personally I think SSS could get in Peter's head though

[ravensnation5220]

Been watching tape on the Ohio state trio: Malik hooker, Gareon Conley, and marsh on lattimore. The more I watch the more I'm convinced they're all first round caliber players. They are so well coached in coverage it's surreal. The production they have all had this year is amazing because none of them were on the field much in years past besides Conley last year. It's truly amazing how good of a job Ohio states coaching staff does in getting these kids to play at such a high level with so little experience.