2017 DB Thread

[omar586]

We need to get pass rushers early, we need to get many pass rushers and CBs in this draft as possible, 

[Jacquouille]

You know what, I'm really warming up on Peppers. I watched his 2015 tape when he was lined up at S/nickel and it was pretty darn good. We already know how to use a guy like that (see: Levine, Anthony) and Weddle is the perfect guy to mentor him.

[RaineV1]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

You know what, I'm really warming up on Peppers. I watched his 2015 tape when he was lined up at S/nickel and it was pretty darn good. We already know how to use a guy like that (see: Levine, Anthony) and Weddle is the perfect guy to mentor him.

Granted, we didn't actually use Levine that much during the season. Even when injuries happened we went back to Elam at SS over starting Levine.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

Granted, we didn't actually use Levine that much during the season. Even when injuries happened we went back to Elam at SS over starting Levine.

Yeah but you get the idea, Levine is nowhere near the athlete or even the player Peppers is and he still balled in his own rights. Big mistery as to why he wasn't more used though.

Edited March 6 by Jacquouille

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah but you get the idea, Levine is nowhere near the athlete or even the player Peppers is and he still balled in his own rights. Big mistery as to why he wasn't more used though.

Because Zachary Orr improved in coverage exponentially, and dean pees didn't play any dime all year which were the two reasons everyone thought he'd be used more

[Jacquouille]

53 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Because Zachary Orr improved in coverage exponentially, and dean pees didn't play any dime all year which were the two reasons everyone thought he'd be used more

Well it's not like CJ and Orr were always healthy, there was room at some point but Pees put McClellan instead. McClellan for crying out loud.

[rossihunter2]

ike taylor just put budda baker ahead of both malik hooker and jamal adams in his safety rankings... not that he's an amazing talent evaluator but it's intriguing to see

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Well it's not like CJ and Orr were always healthy, there was room at some point but Pees put McClellan instead. McClellan for crying out loud.

well you cant really have levine in a base package, thats asking to get gashed up the middle. 

i wonder if we are like super grooming him behind the scenes, letting him learn everything he can and preserving him, because we see him as a great SS or something, and then when we need a new SS we unleash him. 

i think the elam ordeal was about a last ditch effort to see if we had anything with our first round pick, i really think they saw something at practice that he wasnt showing on the field and it just didnt click for elam. levine

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

ike taylor just put budda baker ahead of both malik hooker and jamal adams in his safety rankings... not that he's an amazing talent evaluator but it's intriguing to see

i sure as hell wouldnt do that but if adams and hooker are top 10 talent then baker is up high. hes a victim of this class, he probably goes mid teens in last years class.

[Jacquouille]

38 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

well you cant really have levine in a base package, thats asking to get gashed up the middle. 

i wonder if we are like super grooming him behind the scenes, letting him learn everything he can and preserving him, because we see him as a great SS or something, and then when we need a new SS we unleash him. 

i think the elam ordeal was about a last ditch effort to see if we had anything with our first round pick, i really think they saw something at practice that he wasnt showing on the field and it just didnt click for elam. levine

Yeah but putting McClellan on passing down is even worse, so a rotation would have been nice...

I think you're overthinking it, they saw him play well but were like «nah not gonna try it on Sunday, too exotic».

[rossihunter2]

43 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i sure as hell wouldnt do that but if adams and hooker are top 10 talent then baker is up high. hes a victim of this class, he probably goes mid teens in last years class.

now that he ran a 4.45 40 yard he might make it to the low 20s this year if a team falls in love with him

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

now that he ran a 4.45 40 yard he might make it to the low 20s this year if a team falls in love with him

i thought he would run much better than that actually. it was reported he was running in the 4.3s at practice. and on film he looks like a legit 4.35 guy

[JoeyFlex5]

21 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah but putting McClellan on passing down is even worse, so a rotation would have been nice...

I think you're overthinking it, they saw him play well but were like «nah not gonna try it on Sunday, too exotic».

lol standard dime packages too exotic.

[raven94]

The DB'same areally putting on a show today! I loved Sidney Jones as a first round pick for us, but dang now I need to consider Conley too. On top of that there are a bunch of other guys that are going to be garnering 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round consideration from me. I didn't want to mock too many DB's too us, but dang!

[Dubs]

Anyone have any changed thoughts on Marlon Humphrey after today?

I know our boards are pretty down on him because of lack of ball skills that we are all aware of but I really do love his fit in our D. If I was a team like the Giants or Denver I would be knocking Humphrey and just crossing my fingers that he is not the pick, but for us I see such a natural fit. We rarely position our corners to be in a chase position with no S help so I think much of his deficiencies in ball location on deep balls would be masked. Plus I like that he has worked a lot at LCB, and we are pretty set with keeping Jimmy at RCB. Not saying he will be best value at our first but I think this board is massively downplaying him and his fit in our D

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Anyone have any changed thoughts on Marlon Humphrey after today?

I know our boards are pretty down on him because of lack of ball skills that we are all aware of but I really do love his fit in our D. If I was a team like the Giants or Denver I would be knocking Humphrey and just crossing my fingers that he is not the pick, but for us I see such a natural fit. We rarely position our corners to be in a chase position with no S help so I think much of his deficiencies in ball location on deep balls would be masked. Plus I like that he has worked a lot at LCB, and we are pretty set with keeping Jimmy at RCB. Not saying he will be best value at our first but I think this board is massively downplaying him and his fit in our D

He's grown on me. I think he would be a monster in the red zone where he gets to keep the field in front of him, he comes downhill to defend better than any cb in the class and it isn't close, he still isn't my first choice though, I like Q and Sidney better than him by a long shot and tre white is right up there with him

[Dubs]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's grown on me. I think he would be a monster in the red zone where he gets to keep the field in front of him, he comes downhill to defend better than any cb in the class and it isn't close, he still isn't my first choice though, I like Q and Sidney better than him by a long shot and tre white is right up there with him

Good to hear he has some place on your board. As said I am a fan for us, I would probably put him #3 behind Lattimore and Jones, largely out of what we would ask of him. If I was just doing a general big board of prospects I would likely drop him but I think he is a very safe pick for us that would develop very well

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Good to hear he has some place on your board. As said I am a fan for us, I would probably put him #3 behind Lattimore and Jones, largely out of what we would ask of him. If I was just doing a general big board of prospects I would likely drop him but I think he is a very safe pick for us that would develop very well

Yeah he's too talented and feisty to not be considered, I don't like corners with bad ball skills but he's got a place. Hell jimmy was horrible turning his head until 2013 and he isn't great at it today, he just has learned to position himself so he doesn't have to, Humphrey could do the same

[Dubs]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah he's too talented and feisty to not be considered, I don't like corners with bad ball skills but he's got a place. Hell jimmy was horrible turning his head until 2013 and he isn't great at it today, he just has learned to position himself so he doesn't have to, Humphrey could do the same

Agreed on Jimmy and many of our past drafted perimter CBs. None have been elite ball skill kinda guys--Chris McAlister was a beast but i would not have said great ball skills, Gary Baxter when he put it together for us was an extremely solid #2 but again not the best ball skills, Jimmy as you said, Cary Williams had his moments too and would be similar. I think Webb may be the only corner I can really remember us drafting that I would say had great ball skills. I don't think we don't value it as we supposedly really like Marcus Peters but for our perimeter guys I think Humphrey is really a 9/10 in what we look for

[rossihunter2]

38 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Anyone have any changed thoughts on Marlon Humphrey after today?

I know our boards are pretty down on him because of lack of ball skills that we are all aware of but I really do love his fit in our D. If I was a team like the Giants or Denver I would be knocking Humphrey and just crossing my fingers that he is not the pick, but for us I see such a natural fit. We rarely position our corners to be in a chase position with no S help so I think much of his deficiencies in ball location on deep balls would be masked. Plus I like that he has worked a lot at LCB, and we are pretty set with keeping Jimmy at RCB. Not saying he will be best value at our first but I think this board is massively downplaying him and his fit in our D

at the moment, my corners are ranked as follows: lattimore, jones, wilson, conley, humphrey, white, jackson, d king, tabor, moreau, k king, lewis, douglas, sutton, tankersley, wilson, witherspoon, awuzie, elder, kazee - and i think all of these guys could go in the first 3 rounds but im not sure they all will

the gist is that humphrey has moved up a couple of spots, tabor's moved down a couple of spots

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

lol standard dime packages too exotic.

I think it is for Pees...

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Agreed on Jimmy and many of our past drafted perimter CBs. None have been elite ball skill kinda guys--Chris McAlister was a beast but i would not have said great ball skills, Gary Baxter when he put it together for us was an extremely solid #2 but again not the best ball skills, Jimmy as you said, Cary Williams had his moments too and would be similar. I think Webb may be the only corner I can really remember us drafting that I would say had great ball skills. I don't think we don't value it as we supposedly really like Marcus Peters but for our perimeter guys I think Humphrey is really a 9/10 in what we look for

i think we do value ball skills because it's been the thing we've been missing on the back end for nearly half a decade now - it's just never fallen our way in terms of picking up guys like that... tavon's ball skills are pretty good and just seeing how he was able to flourish opposite jimmy, tavon could become a game changer at times because we could role safety help over his side - you could say we could do that for humphrey too, and he's growing on me slightly, but i'd still rather have a guy with better coverage skills with his back to the line of scrimmage and some ball skills like jones or conley or lattimore

[Dubs]

9 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think we do value ball skills because it's been the thing we've been missing on the back end for nearly half a decade now - it's just never fallen our way in terms of picking up guys like that... tavon's ball skills are pretty good and just seeing how he was able to flourish opposite jimmy, tavon could become a game changer at times because we could role safety help over his side - you could say we could do that for humphrey too, and he's growing on me slightly, but i'd still rather have a guy with better coverage skills with his back to the line of scrimmage and some ball skills like jones or conley or lattimore

Forgot about Tavon in all of that--he has great ball skills and is a joy. We are in a tricky spot as we are not going to get a guy with good size, technique/refinement/football iq, and ball skills at our pick. If a player has all that like Lattimore and Jones they will likely be gone. Of the guys left I lean Humphrey because of scheme and having basically everything except ball skills. There is the potential he turns into another Dee Milliner but I think given our scheme he will excel. I really just wanted to bring up Humphrey as sometimes on this board people talk as if he is a 2nd round pick

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Forgot about Tavon in all of that--he has great ball skills and is a joy. We are in a tricky spot as we are not going to get a guy with good size, technique/refinement/football iq, and ball skills at our pick. If a player has all that like Lattimore and Jones they will likely be gone. Of the guys left I lean Humphrey because of scheme and having basically everything except ball skills. There is the potential he turns into another Dee Milliner but I think given our scheme he will excel. I really just wanted to bring up Humphrey as sometimes on this board people talk as if he is a 2nd round pick

this class is so deep that you can get guys with great length and cover skills in the 2nd or even 3rd round this year, humphrey i still worry about in man coverage but he flipped his hips and showed decent ball skills in the drills today - i dont think it's a given we take a corner at 16 because of how deep this class looks, and the only thing this combine is doing is making the class look even better and deeper

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

this class is so deep that you can get guys with great length and cover skills in the 2nd or even 3rd round this year, humphrey i still worry about in man coverage but he flipped his hips and showed decent ball skills in the drills today - i dont think it's a given we take a corner at 16 because of how deep this class looks, and the only thing this combine is doing is making the class look even better and deeper

The depth is why I'm somewhat against grabbing a corner in the first. I can't complain if we do since he probably will be a different maker, but we're more likely to find good corners throughout the draft than we are going to find a great edge rusher, WR, or lineman.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

The depth is why I'm somewhat against grabbing a corner in the first. I can't complain if we do since he probably will be a different maker, but we're more likely to find good corners throughout the draft than we are going to find a great edge rusher, WR, or lineman.

i agree - unless lattimore is there and maybe sidney jones as well then i don't think it's worth it comparatively in the 1st because especially after watching the combine today there are so many guys who are going to go later than they would in every other year just because of the depth of talent - even more guys than i thought before - there's so many guys i now have with a 2nd round grade or better who will not be going in the 2nd round

[jazz1988]

 

6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Well it's not like CJ and Orr were always healthy, there was room at some point but Pees put McClellan instead. McClellan for crying out loud.

. C.J Mosey  missed two game last year. One was the game against The Giants and the other was against The Jets. Levine  defensive snaps in each game were 22  and 21 defensive  snaps according to footballoutsiders.com. I don't know in what form of fashion Levine was used in each game but he definitely got his share of snaps on defense. Zach Orr only missed one game last season which was the  last game against The Bengals  but I was a little surprised to see Levine low snap count in games in  I personally  thought The Ravens may   need him the most. Levine  had less than 5 snaps  In  games against  The Patriots and  Steelers(the second time)  but it also looks like The Ravens were trying to see what they have in Matt Elam.

 

Orr played so well it probably gave Dean Pees the  confidence to keep him on the field on every down which may have made Levine the forgotten man at times. Orr definitely wasn't always prefect either but it seems like he gained Dean Pees trust as a  every down linebacker . If The Ravens decide to draft a guy like Jabrill Peppers and use him in the same fashion as Levine then it's reasonable to be skeptical or less confident  especially if The Ravens get their hands on another every down linebacker but Peppers would be high round pick so that may make the difference. 

Edited March 6 by jazz1988

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

 

. C.J Mosey  missed two game last year. One was the game against The Giants and the other was against The Jets. Levine  defensive snaps in each game were 22  and 21 defensive  snaps according to footballoutsiders.com. I don't know in what form of fashion Levine was used in each game but he definitely got his share of snaps on defense. Zach Orr only missed one game last season which was the  last game against The Bengels  but I was a little surprised to see Levine low snap count in games in  I personally  thought The Ravens may   need him the most. Levine  had less than 5 snaps  In  games against  The Patriots and  Steelers(the second time)  but it also looks like The Ravens were trying to see what they have in Matt Elam.

 

Orr played so well it probably gave Dean Pees the  confidence to keep him on the field on every down which may have made Levine the forgotten man at times. Orr definitely wasn't always prefect either but it seems like he gained Dean Pees trust as a  every down linebacker . If The Ravens decide to draft a guy like Jabrill Peppers and use him in the same fashion as Levine then it's reasonable to be skeptical or less confident  especially if The Ravens get their hands on another every down linebacker but Peppers would be high round pick so that may make the difference. 

Well I see Peppers strictly as a SS, and an excellent one, but his skill set might let us use him as a moneybacker next to CJ and on third downs while we bring an extra CB or S or even more beef up front... The point was, we know how to maximize that guy's skill set, and honestly even if we just use him as a S he'll be an excellent one.

[January J]

After watching bits and peices of the combine- the DB's that caught my eye the most were:

-Kazee 

-King

-Douglas

- Jones

-Baker

No particular order. I also am slowly coming back around to Peppers who I originally liked but then kinda just went sour on him. He did well though IMO.

Edited March 6 by January J

[January J]

2 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

The depth is why I'm somewhat against grabbing a corner in the first. I can't complain if we do since he probably will be a different maker, but we're more likely to find good corners throughout the draft than we are going to find a great edge rusher, WR, or lineman.

Yeah right now I think it makes more sense to go pass rusher / OL in the first & 2nd and then grab a guy like Kazee or Douglas in the third.