2017 DB Thread

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Oh yea I forgot about you too lol. Point is that not many like him at 16. You told me the ravens like to use cover 3 and tampa 2 which he excels in I totally forgot lol. 

I don't like him at 16 over some of the other guys, but I absolutely think he's caught way too much flack.

[ravensnation5220]

Looking at Marshon lattimores injury past. It's definitely a cause for concern. In 3 years at Ohio St. He's played 1 full year. His 2 previous years he dealt with hamstring issues on each leg. We've seen how hamstring issues always tend to come back as has been the case with camp. I haven't done much h research on hamstrings but they always seem to be a problem throughout a players career. Who ever is drafting lattimore has to be very wary of this issue 

Edited February 13 by ravensnation5220

[PurpleCity5]

On 2/12/2017 at 5:25 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow finally someone else who like Humphrey on here. I thought I was the only one. The only issue I have with him is his ball tracking skills. When he's in man 15 or more yards down the field with his back to the an he seems to panic. Apparently those are things that won't ever go away. But he's great at cover 3, tampa 2 and press coverage which are pretty much our coverage schemes. I think he'd be a great fit here

I think Humphrey's size trait is what we could really use on the outside. Of course you don't want to fall too much in love with a players playing strength but Humphrey's is not as raw as he's made out to be and like others have said he's been given way too much flack. I think he did a good job of covering Mike Williams. Even if it frustrates us early, we don't need a shut down CB at the moment because regardless we're not getting one, we need someone who can play on the outside and just not get beat for big plays Period. I don't know if Humphrey can do all of that but I just wouldn't be mad if we took him, but I think I have Quincy Wilson ahead of him at the moment. 

On the topic, there's a lot to like about Jones, I'm not sure if strength is one of them. He got muscled plenty of times, most notably by JuJu Smith and it's going to be a bigger problem for him. Even if he bulks up, that's not what comes with being a physical CB, he actually needs to have to mentality of being one and being able to comfortably get close to big guys and not have to worry about being muscled there. I like Jones technique but his strength limitations might hurt him. 

[PurpleCity5]

23 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Looking at Marshon lattimores injury past. It's definitely a cause for concern. In 3 years at Ohio St. He's played 1 full year. His 2 previous years he dealt with hamstring issues on each leg. We've seen how hamstring issues always tend to come back as has been the case with camp. I haven't done much h research on hamstrings but they always seem to be a problem throughout a players career. Who ever is drafting lattimore has to be very wary of this issue 

That's pretty much why I wouldn't take him. Injuries can happen to anyone but when it happens consecutively like that then it becomes a trend. Sure the Ravens would love to take a risk on a guy like that but they can't afford it in the 1st round and they certainly can't afford to miss on a CB pick. 

 

[ravensnation5220]

31 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

That's pretty much why I wouldn't take him. Injuries can happen to anyone but when it happens consecutively like that then it becomes a trend. Sure the Ravens would love to take a risk on a guy like that but they can't afford it in the 1st round and they certainly can't afford to miss on a CB pick. 

 

Ya i agree. It's hard to say whose the safest pick in the draft in terms of corners. I'm kinda turning on Tabor. I think our secondary could really use his ball skills and aggressiveness. His off the feild issues seem to be overblown, I think he's just a really feist competitor and that got him in trouble at practice

[BmoreBird22]

On 2/12/2017 at 11:06 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Looking at Marshon lattimores injury past. It's definitely a cause for concern. In 3 years at Ohio St. He's played 1 full year. His 2 previous years he dealt with hamstring issues on each leg. We've seen how hamstring issues always tend to come back as has been the case with camp. I haven't done much h research on hamstrings but they always seem to be a problem throughout a players career. Who ever is drafting lattimore has to be very wary of this issue 

Those injuries date back to high school. They're chronic 

[ravensnation5220]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Those injuries date back to high school. They're chronic 

Wow did not know that. That's definitely a red flag

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Wow did not know that. That's definitely a red flag

It's one reason I like Jamal Adams more.

[RaineV1]

17 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's one reason I like Jamal Adams more.

I would be ecstatic if the Ravens somehow got Jamal Adams.

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I would be ecstatic if the Ravens somehow got Jamal Adams.

I don't think it happens, but he'd be a play maker and game changer for the Ravens

[Darhk_Raven]

Has anyone seen the CB grades given to combine participants? I knew they had given Quincy Wilson a 5.7, but I didn't think they would have 13 CBs graded higher than him.

[rossihunter2]

10 hours ago, Darhk_Raven said:

Has anyone seen the CB grades given to combine participants? I knew they had given Quincy Wilson a 5.7, but I didn't think they would have 13 CBs graded higher than him.

It's bizarre but I don't think I've ever seen a year where I've been happy with the grades and rankings on NFL.com

[RavensDieHard21]

Ya sometimes players get mediocre grades but then tear it up the next year. A lot of those grades are so hard to predict. Many keep saying he would be a better safety but I don't see it 

[RavensDieHard21]

Marlon Humphrey's pro comparison on NFL.com is jimmy smith. Do you see that? 

I feel jimmy was a lot more sticky, but style of play and attitude is spot on. 

[JO_75]

My worry has always been the weak QB draft class. Couple in the fact the veteran QB market is good enough to not take a rookie quarterback in the first, I'm not too sure if we could land one of the top DBs at 16 without trading up. Too many teams ahead of us need a CB or Safety, I'm proof positive now with Revis' legal issues the second DB could be off the board at 6 with the Titans at 5 needing help at either Corner or Safety. Chargers, Panthers, Bills(if Gilmore walks). At first I thought one could fall to us with certain teams reaching on a QB and others taking help at another position. 

[BmoreBird22]

53 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Marlon Humphrey's pro comparison on NFL.com is jimmy smith. Do you see that? 

I feel jimmy was a lot more sticky, but style of play and attitude is spot on. 

I don't really like it because Humphrey, at the moment, projects much better to a zone scheme where he can play Tampa 2 or Cover 3 while he learns some of the finer points of the game. Jimmy was pretty much a press specialist coming out.

[PurpleCity5]

23 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't really like it because Humphrey, at the moment, projects much better to a zone scheme where he can play Tampa 2 or Cover 3 while he learns some of the finer points of the game. Jimmy was pretty much a press specialist coming out.

I agree, I don't like the comparison either but we do play plenty of Tampa 2 coverage and cover 3 as well so that will help the learning curve. Personally I do like his size traits and that's what compares to Jimmy best. He's still my #2 CB even though he might have a little trouble in man but we don't play it that much.

 

At the moment I have Wilson as the #1 CB considering Lattimore's injury bug. I know Wilson is more of a man-cover guy but he looked solid in zone and has the ability to play press and off. He's more refined than Humphrey's while having similar size-speed traits. Wilson looks more like Jimmy  

Edited February 18 by PurpleCity5

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, PurpleCity5 said:

I agree, I don't like the comparison either but we do play plenty of Tampa 2 coverage and cover 3 as well. At the moment I have Wilson as the #1 CB considering Lattimore's injury bug. I know Wilson is more of a man-cover guy but he looked solid in zone and has the ability to play press and off. He's more refined than Humphrey's while having similar size-speed traits. 

I'd say Humphrey is a much better speed prospect. I'd like to see better long speed from Wilson. But Wilson is second to none as a press corner. He's so patient with waiting for his man to make the first move so that he can dictate the receivers movements.

[PurpleCity5]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd say Humphrey is a much better speed prospect. I'd like to see better long speed from Wilson. But Wilson is second to none as a press corner. He's so patient with waiting for his man to make the first move so that he can dictate the receivers movements.

I think Wilson's speed is pretty good to go along with his size but I still need to watch more so I'll take your word for it on Humphrey's speed, I did watch plenty of Humphrey's film and he is pretty fast. The 40 yard dash isn't a big deal for me but I'm interested to see how Wilson does there and in the shuttle drills. I'll keep up with that. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, PurpleCity5 said:

I think Wilson's speed is pretty good to go along with his size but I still need to watch more so I'll take your word for it on Humphrey's speed, I did watch plenty of Humphrey's film and he is pretty fast. The 40 yard dash isn't a big deal for me but I'm interested to see how Wilson does there and in the shuttle drills. I'll keep up with that. 

I would be happy if Wilson ran a 4.5. That'd be more than adequate for me.

I would expect Humphrey to be like a 4.3.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah I don't get the Humphrey hate. He's a good CB. He frustrates me at times because he gets too grabby and I've seen him get a little too undisciplined but he's got talent and could be a great pro. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Tabor and Humphrey are in the same boat. Slightly different though. Both are very physical and grabby at times and sometimes fail to get their heads turned around. Tabor had better ball skills but Humphrey is more aggressive. Both have solid coverage skills but may big be better in Tampa 2 and cover 3 early on 

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, JO_75 said:

My worry has always been the weak QB draft class. Couple in the fact the veteran QB market is good enough to not take a rookie quarterback in the first, I'm not too sure if we could land one of the top DBs at 16 without trading up. Too many teams ahead of us need a CB or Safety, I'm proof positive now with Revis' legal issues the second DB could be off the board at 6 with the Titans at 5 needing help at either Corner or Safety. Chargers, Panthers, Bills(if Gilmore walks). At first I thought one could fall to us with certain teams reaching on a QB and others taking help at another position. 

i think everyone in the league was sure revis was being cut by the jets anyway... not sure how it changes much to be honest... and if all those teams you mentioned take cbs then players at other positions will drop like wr, or edge rusher

 

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah I don't get the Humphrey hate. He's a good CB. He frustrates me at times because he gets too grabby and I've seen him get a little too undisciplined but he's got talent and could be a great pro. 

i think it's partly to do with backlash against over hype - like he's good but he's not as good as everyone initially thought and he's also not as good as mincah fitzpatrick who isnt eligible who played opposite him

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I agree, I don't like the comparison either but we do play plenty of Tampa 2 coverage and cover 3 as well so that will help the learning curve. Personally I do like his size traits and that's what compares to Jimmy best. He's still my #2 CB even though he might have a little trouble in man but we don't play it that much.

 

At the moment I have Wilson as the #1 CB considering Lattimore's injury bug. I know Wilson is more of a man-cover guy but he looked solid in zone and has the ability to play press and off. He's more refined than Humphrey's while having similar size-speed traits. Wilson looks more like Jimmy  

The more I see his tape the more I like Wilson.  

[JoeyFlex5]

so why does nobody ever talk about jourdan lewis? 

seems to be the forgotten man of this class and maybe the most underrated. his ball skills are incredible, hes got the athleticism, hes plays quick and fast and decisive, long speed, change of direction.

not sure why he gets no attention around here. id love him at 48.

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so why does nobody ever talk about jourdan lewis? 

seems to be the forgotten man of this class and maybe the most underrated. his ball skills are incredible, hes got the athleticism, hes plays quick and fast and decisive, long speed, change of direction.

not sure why he gets no attention around here. id love him at 48.

Purely gifted corner. All around I think from a talent basis he is a first rounder, but his size I think is why he hasn't gotten a lot of buzz on this thread. He would likely project to nickel/slot roll which Young already fills.

Putting shorter corners on the outside can be tough when facing really good QBs who can drop it in the bucket. I think Lewis has a real good chance to be a Chris Harris Jr like corner though.

[Jacquouille]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so why does nobody ever talk about jourdan lewis? 

seems to be the forgotten man of this class and maybe the most underrated. his ball skills are incredible, hes got the athleticism, hes plays quick and fast and decisive, long speed, change of direction.

not sure why he gets no attention around here. id love him at 48.

I think it's because he didn't have a dominant week at the Senior Bowl like we expected. His size being still a problem for some, he has to be absolutely flawless in every other aspect of the game to make up for it and he didn't flash enough to keep the hype going I guess. Still love him at 48 though.

[PurpleCity5]

11 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

The more I see his tape the more I like Wilson.  

I think he will fall to us. I think Marlon Humphrey's is going to do better in the combine and I think teams will view Sidney Jones as the better prospect and look past Lattimore's injury history, if so they're going to lose out because we're going to be a lucky team if we get Wilson here. I think he's going to be a really good CB. 

[ravensnation5220]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so why does nobody ever talk about jourdan lewis? 

seems to be the forgotten man of this class and maybe the most underrated. his ball skills are incredible, hes got the athleticism, hes plays quick and fast and decisive, long speed, change of direction.

not sure why he gets no attention around here. id love him at 48.

I think it's because Lewis is viewed as a nickel corner and we already have young. So everyone here is looking at a guy who can play outside and fill in for Jimmy if he gets hurt again

[ravensnation5220]

On 2/14/2017 at 2:27 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't think it happens, but he'd be a play maker and game changer for the Ravens

I could honestly see it happen. He won't blow up the combine, his ball production isn't great either and there's only been 2 safeties taken in the top 10 once. Safeties don't typically go high and he might end up going under the radar. Some teams may even prefer budda baker, he plays FS has more ball production and will probably have a better combine (not by measurements however) than Adams. A lot would have to happen but I could see him fall