2017 DB Thread

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Does anyone here watch voch Lombardi's film session. Not everyone will like him but he'll say what a player is. He kinda gives you the jist of what a players strengths are. For the most part he's pretty on point but there are a few things I disagree with. 

he's better with certain position groups - his cb stuff is good when he has good tape to work with but he can get hung up on edge rushers using spin moves and stuff like that - like every analyst he has his flaws but i like watching because he shows where his ideas come from so that you can disagree and it doesn't ruin the whole analysis of a player - i dont think ive come away from one of his videos ever thinking it was useless because even when i disagree i see the value in his analysis

[ravensnation5220]

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

im fine with that though because that just suggests playmaking ability lol

Ya I know I just find it funny. It's really the only way to describe some players

[ravensnation5220]

9 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

he's better with certain position groups - his cb stuff is good when he has good tape to work with but he can get hung up on edge rushers using spin moves and stuff like that - like every analyst he has his flaws but i like watching because he shows where his ideas come from so that you can disagree and it doesn't ruin the whole analysis of a player - i dont think ive come away from one of his videos ever thinking it was useless because even when i disagree i see the value in his analysis

Same way I feel. He's really insightful and it helps me see things I didn't before 

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Same way I feel. He's really insightful and it helps me see things I didn't before 

i think when i disagree with him it's the most useful because it forces me to find the reason that i dont like a player because voch is giving me the alternative view

[ravensnation5220]

44 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i think when i disagree with him it's the most useful because it forces me to find the reason that i dont like a player because voch is giving me the alternative view

He just did one for tankersly, it made me dislike cordrea a lol...you should check it out

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

He just did one for tankersly, it made me dislike cordrea a lol...you should check it out

ill do that right now - i just watched the tredavious white one

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

ill do that right now - i just watched the tredavious white one

I really like white. I've grown on him a lot. I think I was too hard on him when he went against Treadwell. He was put in a bad position pretty often that game

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I really like white. I've grown on him a lot. I think I was too hard on him when he went against Treadwell. He was put in a bad position pretty often that game

white is the most polished and experienced corner in the class. a lot of the other guys have super high ceilings and some of them look like failsafe corners, but i think white might be the actual safest cb pick, i think its almost guaranteed you get a solid starter out of him. not to say guys like lattimore, jones, and wilson are "risky" picks at all, i think theyre all gonna be solid starters at worst, just saying that its hard to envision a scenario where white looks "bad" at any point.

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I really like white. I've grown on him a lot. I think I was too hard on him when he went against Treadwell. He was put in a bad position pretty often that game

i know wilson is a good looking prospect but of the top corners the ones id want are lattimore, jones, conley, white

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

white is the most polished and experienced corner in the class. a lot of the other guys have super high ceilings and some of them look like failsafe corners, but i think white might be the actual safest cb pick, i think its almost guaranteed you get a solid starter out of him. not to say guys like lattimore, jones, and wilson are "risky" picks at all, i think theyre all gonna be solid starters at worst, just saying that its hard to envision a scenario where white looks "bad" at any point.

True I honestly wouldn't mind us snatching him at 16 however I feel like the saints will take him at 11 with the in state idea, kinda like tampa did with vh3

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i know wilson is a good looking prospect but of the top corners the ones id want are lattimore, jones, conley, white

I agree I don't think those Florida corners are coached very well. They seem very undisciplined and we really don't any more guys like that on our team

[JO_75]

48 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

True I honestly wouldn't mind us snatching him at 16 however I feel like the saints will take him at 11 with the in state idea, kinda like tampa did with vh3

Isn't Tre projected in the second/third rounds as of now? I feel we might be able to get him in the second but with the combine and the pro day still to come, I feel he could work his way into the first round.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Isn't Tre projected in the second/third rounds as of now? I feel we might be able to get him in the second but with the combine and the pro day still to come, I feel he could work his way into the first round.

It depends who you ask. Some people have him ranked way higher than others. DJ is very high on him. With such a deep cornerback class it's hard to tell who falls to the second round

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

Isn't Tre projected in the second/third rounds as of now? I feel we might be able to get him in the second but with the combine and the pro day still to come, I feel he could work his way into the first round.

hes been inexplicably projected in the 2nd for a while. for a good stretch last year before he pulled out he was often mocked in the first. 

i honestly think the fact that hes 5'11" in a class stacked with 6'1" corners is hurting his current projections, but id be shocked if pro teams watch his tape and still prefer a marlon humphrey or tabor. the tape just shows a superior nfl corner, hes so much more technically sound and savvy than most of the commonly mocked first round corners. 

his ceiling may be less than some guys, but he covers well, hes scheme diverse, and hes feisty and smart. 

[Edgar]

Another little known prospect....Jeremy Curtrer, Safety, Middle Tennessee.

Watch him vs. Alabama 2015 (only tape I can find). Good job in run support. Smart player. Sniffs out screens and blows them up. Great job of reading and baiting QB.

Originally committed to LSU, not sure what brought about the transfer but he's a good looking DB .

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

hes been inexplicably projected in the 2nd for a while. for a good stretch last year before he pulled out he was often mocked in the first. 

i honestly think the fact that hes 5'11" in a class stacked with 6'1" corners is hurting his current projections, but id be shocked if pro teams watch his tape and still prefer a marlon humphrey or tabor. the tape just shows a superior nfl corner, hes so much more technically sound and savvy than most of the commonly mocked first round corners. 

his ceiling may be less than some guys, but he covers well, hes scheme diverse, and hes feisty and smart. 

He's horrible in run support and as a presence in the slot due to a slender frame and real lack of size to him, but he should be a pretty strong outside presence.

[ravensnation5220]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's horrible in run support and as a presence in the slot due to a slender frame and real lack of size to him, but he should be a pretty strong outside presence.

I don't think he's as bad as Tabor or tankersly vs the run. He's willing to tackle unlike the 2 I just mentioned. He just doesn't have great technique but as long as he's willing i think you can coach that up

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

I don't think he's as bad as Tabor or tankersly vs the run. He's willing to tackle unlike the 2 I just mentioned. He just doesn't have great technique but as long as he's willing i think you can coach that up

I would say he's willing to tackle, but absolutely does not seek out tackling.

[hn68wb4]

9 hours ago, Edgar said:

Another little known prospect....Jeremy Curtrer, Safety, Middle Tennessee.

Watch him vs. Alabama 2015 (only tape I can find). Good job in run support. Smart player. Sniffs out screens and blows them up. Great job of reading and baiting QB.

Originally committed to LSU, not sure what brought about the transfer but he's a good looking DB .

I talked about him before the East/West Shrine Game before he got injured. He's an interesting developmental guy, big, long, and athletic, but technique wise he's really ugly, needs a ton of work. Perhaps moving to safety would help because like many tall guys he lacks fluidity, but I don't know if I saw the instincts that would make him stand out there.

[ravensnation5220]

Im really curious who ends up falling to the second round in terms of corners. I'd assume all the guys with height weight and speed will be gone so guys like wilson, humphrey, and lattimore should go early. There still should be one guy that slips into the second round however. I wouldn't be surprised if Tabor fell

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I would say he's willing to tackle, but absolutely does not seek out tackling.

Ya not like Humphrey but he does give pursuit which I like. He will have trouble getting off blocks in the NFL however 

[Edgar]

18 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I talked about him before the East/West Shrine Game before he got injured. He's an interesting developmental guy, big, long, and athletic, but technique wise he's really ugly, needs a ton of work. Perhaps moving to safety would help because like many tall guys he lacks fluidity, but I don't know if I saw the instincts that would make him stand out there.

Safety is where I see him for sure.

Have you seen film other than Alabama?

 

 

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's horrible in run support and as a presence in the slot due to a slender frame and real lack of size to him, but he should be a pretty strong outside presence.

He's not horrible vs the run lol, he's probably the most willing tackler in run support and he likes to go after the ballcarrier rather than sit and wait for it to come to him. I just don't see what you're talking about honestly. 

plus you said t yourself, you aren't paying a corner to run support...

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's not horrible vs the run lol, he's probably the most willing tackler in run support and he likes to go after the ballcarrier rather than sit and wait for it to come to him. I just don't see what you're talking about honestly. 

plus you said t yourself, you aren't paying a corner to run support...

I know you're not paying a corner to play run support, but it's going to depend on the team. If the team goes to the nickel and dime often, a corner tackling and being willing in run support is a must. The ability to get off receivers is a must.

I don't think that'll be a huge concern for the Ravens because they play nickel and base mostly, but some teams will sour on him.

[RavensFanMania]

On 1/11/2017 at 8:11 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'll own up to it. I didn't like that all he ever showed as a corner was press coverage and I hated how slow he was to turn his hips in college, I also Never said definitively that he wouldn't translate, I said that he was a risk to take so high because he hadn't shown enough real coverage skills which was totally true at the time since his college career was basically a highlight reel of big hits and very few plays made in coverage. 

Hindsight 20/20 but yeah He had a good rookie year. Glad he taken though because if not we wouldn't have Stanley who is looking like a top 3 LT for the future.

I'll add to this.  I'm also glad he was taken because we may have gone another direction and missed out on Young.

[RavensFanMania]

On 1/21/2017 at 11:07 AM, ravensnation5220 said:

Although I like pff I can't agree with them on everything, they have cordrea tankersly as their 4th best prospect on their big board

I'm ok with pff on occasion but I'm not a huge fan of there grading system when Evaluating college prospects.

[Gruntled Ravens Fan]

What do you guys think about the cornerback Cam Sutton out of Tennessee? I know he was injured pretty much all season, but he was did great this week at the Senior Bowl and even played Safety showing his versatility.

[ravensnation5220]

50 minutes ago, Gruntled Ravens Fan said:

What do you guys think about the cornerback Cam Sutton out of Tennessee? I know he was injured pretty much all season, but he was did great this week at the Senior Bowl and even played Safety showing his versatility.

I like him as a prospect but his durability is an issue

[ravensnation5220]

I keep seeing Marshon lattimore being mocked to us. Please let it happen!!!!! Please!!!!!

[RavensDieHard21]

On a scale of important qualities that corners should have, run support is definitely near the bottom.

Teams want coverage abilities, good footwork, ball skills, length, fluidity, press ability, sound tacklers,etc. Being good in run support is just an extra. Sometimes it's better if the corners aren't super physical in the run game because they sustain injuries such as Jimmy Smith did vs NE and Giants this year, plus Bengals last year.