2017 DB Thread

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, January J said:

I don't mind him at 16. Not my favorite but I think its a safe move. And him being able to get his head around and find the ball is my favorite trait any corner can have. I get so frustrated BC it seems likeso many corners struggle with that- ESP ours.

I agree he wouldn't be my favorite pick just because of how deep the position is this year and you will find people in the 2nd, 3rd, and possibly even 4th that play almost just as good. Really deep cornerback class. I would rather have him than Tabor though. I honestly wouldn't trust that pick.

[Edgar]

12 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Agreed. The only corners I'd want at 16 are Lattimore or Sidney Jones.

Same. Anything else to me is a reach for need. 

There's a part of me that feels this cornerback class is being overhyped just a little . There are a lot of very big corners in this class and perhaps it is a deeper class overall but I don't see anyone but the two you mentioned as being worthy at pick 16.

Humphrey I don't get at all in round one . I like Conley after those two but somewhere in the mid 20s. 

[Edgar]

7 minutes ago, January J said:

I don't mind him at 16. Not my favorite but I think its a safe move. And him being able to get his head around and find the ball is my favorite trait any corner can have. I get so frustrated BC it seems likeso many corners struggle with that- ESP ours.

 That is a rare trait indeed . And I agree I really do like that about him and I like him generally , just not at 16 ..... Better players are on the board . 

 

[Jacquouille]

On 25/01/2017 at 11:04 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Anyone here watched film on budda baker? The boy is a BEAST! How is he being mocked in the 3rd round everywhere? It's rumored he ran a 4.35 at UWs practice and he plays like it, and he plays with intensity and instinct. Makes plays against the run and pass. Dude is a bonafide 2nd round talent at worst

He's not going out of the top40, medias are completely off on him. He reminds me of a faster and smarter Karl Joseph. No way he goes to the 3rd barring a bad combine.

[JoeyFlex5]

56 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

He's not going out of the top40, medias are completely off on him. He reminds me of a faster and smarter Karl Joseph. No way he goes to the 3rd barring a bad combine.

And a bad combine is unlikely, he's gonna run a ridiculous 40 and test well in all the agility drills and will probably do good on strength testing too. 

[Sizzlebshu]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

And a bad combine is unlikely, he's gonna run a ridiculous 40 and test well in all the agility drills and will probably do good on strength testing too. 

He is undersized a bit so he may drop due to that but I see him as a top 50 selection myself. 

[Jacquouille]

52 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

He is undersized a bit so he may drop due to that but I see him as a top 50 selection myself. 

Joseph was undersized AND coming off a torn ACL AND not as good a prospect as Baker and still went 14th (I believe) overall, so while I don't expect Baker to go that high in a loaded draft class, he should definitely go very early.

[JoeyFlex5]

39 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Joseph was undersized AND coming off a torn ACL AND not as good a prospect as Baker and still went 14th (I believe) overall, so while I don't expect Baker to go that high in a loaded draft class, he should definitely go very early.

Yeah I see the similarities but I think baker is a better prospect. He's a lot less reckless and more formed and disciplined, or at least it appears that way. I thought Joseph looked instinctive but played risky and with little regard for his body, baker not so much.

[ravensnation5220]

I'd love me some domantae kazee, ultra productive player with 17 career picks (15 the last 2 years) played mainly off coverage in college but showed he can play press in senior bowl practice. I like him in the 3rd round. I just love his competitiveness. 

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/23/2017 at 2:48 PM, ravensnation5220 said:

Interesting to see who Marlon Humphreys comp is. I agree with what the scout said though. 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/marlon-humphrey?id=2558067&id=2558067

 

Given the little blip at the bottom to sum it all up, it's a horrible comparison.

[BmoreBird22]

—Ohio State's Marshon Lattimore has many high grades around the league, but I continue to hear of teams that value Florida's Quincy Wilson as the top cornerback in the class. My board reflects that same belief, with Wilson over Lattimore for the CB1 ranking.

 

[ravensnation5220]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

—Ohio State's Marshon Lattimore has many high grades around the league, but I continue to hear of teams that value Florida's Quincy Wilson as the top cornerback in the class. My board reflects that same belief, with Wilson over Lattimore for the CB1 ranking.

 

Who said that?

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Who said that?

Matt Miller in his most recent scouting notebook. I'm sure he heard it down in Mobile.

[ravensnation5220]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Matt Miller in his most recent scouting notebook. I'm sure he heard it down in Mobile.

Ya odds are he did. I really wouldn't be surprised if Wilson and Humphrey get taken before lattimore. The whole size speed combo. Even though all 3 have the athletic traits you look for

[Jacquouille]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah I see the similarities but I think baker is a better prospect. He's a lot less reckless and more formed and disciplined, or at least it appears that way. I thought Joseph looked instinctive but played risky and with little regard for his body, baker not so much.

Exactly, that's why I said Baker was «smarter». Never out of position.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Exactly, that's why I said Baker was «smarter». Never out of position.

I think his best asset shockingly is in run support. He sniffs out screens and sweeps and lays the wood like jalen Ramsey and he's the smallest guy on the field. 

I wanted to mock him to us in the 3rd because most mocks are projecting him in that range, but my gut tells me he goes in the second

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya odds are he did. I really wouldn't be surprised if Wilson and Humphrey get taken before lattimore. The whole size speed combo. Even though all 3 have the athletic traits you look for

I wouldn't be totally surprised with Wilson, at all, but Humphrey would surprise me.

[rossihunter2]

right so i've finally got to the corners and I've got a first rudimentary ranking:

I have Lattimore as the clear cut top guy in the class, I actually think there's some small separation between 2 and 3 (which I know isn't the prevailing thinking) where I really love Sidney Jones ahead of Quincy Wilson who feels more raw. They are the clear top 3 though. After that it feels like a "what's your fancy?" kind of deal - I have conley at 4 because I love the way he goes after the ball in man coverage - he feels like a rangier tavon young weirdly (it felt like he played similarly aggressive towards the football) - I need to watch some more film on tradavius white and adoree jackson but i have them a wrung below conley and tabor - i know some of you dont like tabor and i dont love him but I like the way he reads the qb and identifies routes - it looks like he either studies a lot of film or has a high football iq which are obviously good traits - then ive got desmond king and marlon humphrey - king I think will probably end up as a safety - marlon humphrey also might end up at safety but I'm not sure I like him at all if I'm really brutally honest - he's a good tackler and he obviously loves to make plays but in coverage he's so stiff it's awkward to watch - especially when across the field is mincah fitzpatrick (i wish it was him coming out rather than humphrey) - if humphrey is successful in this league i think it's in some sort of enforcer safety kind of role

so nominally i have the 9 corners I've watched any film on in this order: Tier 1: Lattimore; Tier 2: Jones, Wilson; Tier 3: Conley, Tabor; Tier 4: White, Jackson; Tier 5: King; Tier 6: Humphrey

I obviously still have some other corners to watch more film on - the ones that come to mind straight up are tankersly and lewis (who I haven't watched any of yet) and jackson and white (who I liked what little I've seen so far but I'd like to see more before making any real comments either way)

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

I really love Sidney Jones ahead of Quincy Wilson who feels more raw. They are the clear top 3 though.

I'd argue that Wilson is probably the most pro ready and the safest of all the corners. I have no idea how you think he's raw.

[BmoreBird22]

On the subject of Marlon Humphrey, I finally got around to really watching him and I feel like the opinions on here are way too biased and strong and very parroted. 

I understand he doesn't have the most fluid or agile hips and that he can sometimes get beat by a receiver with a lot of suddenness (Brown, Edelman), but he's got excellent length, height, weight, and I expect him to kill the 40/vert/broad. I think he will surprise people with his cone drills and shuttles. I think he's a lot more fluid than given credit for. I think he's very average in that department with most people thinking of him solely as well below average.

He's got the ability to just line up with a number one receiver and press and ride them down the field. He's also got very plus anticipation and awareness. He seems to understand his limitations with change of direction and reads his receiver so well to already be a step ahead of his man to really beat them to the spot of the ball. I really like that. He's heady and can play press, zone, and off because of his awareness and anticipation. 

Would I want him at 16? Over a Barnett/Wilson/Jones? No, definitely not. However, let's say those three are gone after a run on corners. I think you could do a lot worse than Humphrey.

[ravensnation5220]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

On the subject of Marlon Humphrey, I finally got around to really watching him and I feel like the opinions on here are way too biased and strong and very parroted. 

I understand he doesn't have the most fluid or agile hips and that he can sometimes get beat by a receiver with a lot of suddenness (Brown, Edelman), but he's got excellent length, height, weight, and I expect him to kill the 40/vert/broad. I think he will surprise people with his cone drills and shuttles. I think he's a lot more fluid than given credit for. I think he's very average in that department with most people thinking of him solely as well below average.

He's got the ability to just line up with a number one receiver and press and ride them down the field. He's also got very plus anticipation and awareness. He seems to understand his limitations with change of direction and reads his receiver so well to already be a step ahead of his man to really beat them to the spot of the ball. I really like that. He's heady and can play press, zone, and off because of his awareness and anticipation. 

Would I want him at 16? Over a Barnett/Wilson/Jones? No, definitely not. However, let's say those three are gone after a run on corners. I think you could do a lot worse than Humphrey.

I have to agree with you, i never understood why people don't like him much because his tape is actually pretty darn good, it's not like Tabor when you see the same things over and over again. It could be the fact that Alabama corners never seen to pan out but you should always scout the player and not the helmet. He has all the tools and traits you look for in a lockdown corner and everyone saying he has "stiff hips" needs to go back to the tape. His problem is covering 15 or more yards down the feild. It seems to me he panics at that point and gets away from his technique and doesn't stay disciplined. In the national championship 2 years ago however he played lights out coverage all around the field so it could be a confidence thing. He's one of the guys I'm really looking forward to at the combine, especially those corner back drill and tracking drills

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I have to agree with you, i never understood why people don't like him much because his tape is actually pretty darn good, it's not like Tabor when you see the same things over and over again. It could be the fact that Alabama corners never seen to pan out but you should always scout the player and not the helmet. He has all the tools and traits you look for in a lockdown corner and everyone saying he has "stiff hips" needs to go back to the tape. His problem is covering 15 or more yards down the feild. It seems to me he panics at that point and gets away from his technique and doesn't stay disciplined. In the national championship 2 years ago however he played lights out coverage all around the field so it could be a confidence thing. He's one of the guys I'm really looking forward to at the combine, especially those corner back drill and tracking drills

I think his hips are "stiff", but not to this extreme that people put it on. Like, people are making it seem like he'd run the worst shuttle or cone drills at the combine and have no change of direction. I expect him to be fairly average in that department and excel in every single other.

[ravensnation5220]

Does anyone here watch voch Lombardi's film session. Not everyone will like him but he'll say what a player is. He kinda gives you the jist of what a players strengths are. For the most part he's pretty on point but there are a few things I disagree with. 

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Does anyone here watch voch Lombardi's film session. Not everyone will like him but he'll say what a player is. He kinda gives you the jist of what a players strengths are. For the most part he's pretty on point but there are a few things I disagree with. 

im a fan of his, the only thing i dislike about him is his utter obsession with speed and burst. he basically stood on the table and said noah spence was better than bosa and his only justification was spences burst. if he could be less partial to one specific trait when judging certain players he would be the best player analyst out there. 

 

[hn68wb4]

10 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'd argue that Wilson is probably the most pro ready and the safest of all the corners. I have no idea how you think he's raw.

I wouldn't call him raw, within 20 yards he's a shut down CB. The problem I have with him is that whenever I watch him he gets beat deep whereas Sidney Jones pretty much sticks with his man no matter what. I just feel like year 1 Wilson may give up a lot of deep balls, NFL caliber QBs will exploit his deep failures that college QBs didn't.

For me Wilson is the best in the draft within 20 yards, but Jones is the best all around, and thus to me Jones is safer.

It's a bit of a cheat but I wouldn't be against the ol' 1a, 1b thing for the two of them, I'd be happy with either. Wilson just needs work on playing those deep balls, he's just super aggressive.

Edited January 28 by hn68wb4

[hn68wb4]

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Does anyone here watch voch Lombardi's film session. Not everyone will like him but he'll say what a player is. He kinda gives you the jist of what a players strengths are. For the most part he's pretty on point but there are a few things I disagree with. 

I watched him last year but haven't gone back. I don't think he's bad at all and makes some good observations. However I don't think he ever points out anything but basic stuff, but like I said I haven't watched him in a while and I'd be interested in what his record is in projecting players.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

im a fan of his, the only thing i dislike about him is his utter obsession with speed and burst. he basically stood on the table and said noah spence was better than bosa and his only justification was spences burst. if he could be less partial to one specific trait when judging certain players he would be the best player analyst out there. 

 

This is true I see the same thing. He's a bid fan of "(explicit) whoopin" lol

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

I watched him last year but haven't gone back. I don't think he's bad at all and makes some good observations. However I don't think he ever points out anything but basic stuff, but like I said I haven't watched him in a while and I'd be interested in what his record is in projecting players.

Ya that's true. He's doing all the corners now. He's already posted a lot of prospects this year on youtube

[rossihunter2]

28 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

This is true I see the same thing. He's a bid fan of "(explicit) whoopin" lol

im fine with that though because that just suggests playmaking ability lol

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

This is true I see the same thing. He's a bid fan of "(explicit) whoopin" lol

yeah that was his main breakdown of solomon thomas, he whoops asses lol. 

he can be rudimentary sometimes but he does know what hes talking about