Why the Ravens need Tim Williams

[JoeyFlex5]

Tim Williams, the ultimate upside pass rusher. This kid ballooned 22 pounds in one year to go from a little known player to a top 3 sack artist in the nation. Tim Williams averages 1 sack every 10 TEAM snaps(not accounting for snaps when he isnt on the field, which isnt much as he is a 3 down player, but worth mentioning). After the all-time prospect myles garrett, tim williams has easily the highest ceiling of any pass rusher in this class, far more potential than derek barnett, and i even think hes a better all around player as well. So, what about tim williams makes him such an attractive prospect for us... 

 

Need: there are many positions that could make a world of difference for this team. a Center could make our run game actually function thus allowing us to pass more efficiently as well, a corner could take weight off of our pass rush and we could stop giving up long touchdowns, a wide receiver could bail out joe when hes flustered... but a top flight edge rusher, is something we desperately need. our entire pass rush hinges on; terrell suggs and dumervil staying healthy and actually playing at a decent level(something they just cant do anymore) and the rest of our pass rush hangs on our DTs and matt judon, and while judon looks good so far, he is far from an explosive edge rusher, hes more a tactician, we lack that threat of getting in the backfield very quickly and scaring the bejeezus out of qb's on every passing down. our explosiveness in the pass rush is easily the worst in the league. 

Fit: the guy is an OLB, he can play it in both 34 and 43, he has the power for it, he began the season at 252, which is reasonably adequate, but his functional strength is outstanding, he brings the heat on every snap, he has the punch of a DE, and the speed to power conversion of an elite 34OLB. he has the explosiveness to beat the tackle around the corner often or at least make his job very difficult, he has the agility to take a wide lane and stop and cut back in, he would be lethal on blitzes, and he has the hustle and through the roof athleticism to make plays in coverage as well, but that would just be a waste. 

Ceiling/Floor: Tim Williams does need some work, he lacks refinement, but isnt totally deficient there either. He has a spin move that he uses well and combines it with a elbow swing afterwards to prevent the tackle from recovering, power-to-speed conversion alone shows a solid conceptual grasp and some know-how considering many fast edge rushers in college try to win the corner every time, but the ability to take a loss on the corner and still manage to get the tackle on their heels by adjusting on the fly and using that speed to bull rush to set up your next move suggests the possibility that he is far from finished in his development. He is a possibly 10 sack rookie and is the type of guy you can realistically hope for 16+ sacks from in some years.

Hustle: After playing sparingly for 2 years, Tim knew he needed to bulk up to be the player he wanted to be. he hit the weight room and gained 22 pounds of raw muscle, the kid is a muscled out freak, supreme fitness to put it simply. he has that hunger, and after his incident with the gun, and the talk of him being too incomplete to take past a certain point, i think he would pick up that phone call from ozzie and be JACKED and ready to go to work. plus the kid has a lot of hustle on the field as well, he initiates a ton of big plays through his incredible talent but has also made plays on pure effort, him and jonathan allen split the set-up and the clean-up often, theyre an incredibly fun tandem to watch. 

 

i would take myles garrett, jonathan allen, and nobody else over tim williams, i think this guy is a future stud, and the lack of attention he gets around here is insane, he looks like a prospect these boards would drool over.

 

[allblackraven]

I'm all in on this bandwagon. Imagine Williams, Jernigan inside and Judon on the other side

[JoeyFlex5]

40 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I'm all in on this bandwagon. Imagine Williams, Jernigan inside and Judon on the other side

man, im telling you, williams would transform this front seven. he represents EVERYTHING that we are lacking and desperately need. 

if we are picking top 10, as long as allen and garrett are gone, i want him. we have so many pieces in place, very important pieces, but pieces that mean nothing if you dont have the athletic mismatch players at those high impact positions, jernigan, pierce, judon, urban, correa, guy, they mean nothing if theyre getting easily schemed on every pass rush snap because theres no mismatch on the edge. tim williams will make all of those guys look like stars while being a star himself. 

[RaineV1]

If the Ravens are picking in the top half of the draft, then yeah, do whatever it takes to get him. I'd trade a third to move up to 10 or 11 or grab him. But if the team goes on a late season run (which the Ravens have done in the past), then he'll be out of reach.

[Maryland]

I liked the comparison to Ansah that I heard someone else make. His physical strength and quickness gives him the tools to become a truly phenomenal player with a little coaching. He could take the Suggs route and just be a DPR early in his career before learning to become an every-down LB. He really does have some Clowney-like quickness--he's already over the LOS before most O-Linemen are even out of their stance lol. 

That said, I doubt he's in our range come draft day (maybe I'm being overly optimistic on how good we are this year, but I see us going 8-8 and getting a pick in the late teens). I mean, if Leonard Floyd--an inferior prospect by comparison--can go #9 overall, I doubt Williams falls into the teens, even in a stronger draft class. Maybe we'll trade up for him, considering the need is dire, and the Alabama connection is in our favor. Plus I kind of like the fact his snaps were limited prior to this season--means he wasn't overworked like most Bama players.

Edited November 5, 2016 by Maryland

[JoeyFlex5]

29 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I liked the comparison to ansah that I heard someone else make. His physical strength and quickness gives him the tools to become a truly phenomenal player with a little coaching. He could take the Suggs route and just be a DPR early in his career before learning to become an every-down LB. He really does have some Clowney-like quickness--he's already over the LOS before most O-Linemen are even out of their stance lol. 

That said, I doubt he's in our range come draft day (maybe I'm being overly optimistic on how good we are this year, but I see us going 8-8 and getting a pick in the late teens). I mean, if Leonard Floyd--an inferior prospect by comparison--can go #9 overall, I doubt Williams falls into the teens, even in a stronger draft class. Maybe we'll trade up for him, considering the need is dire, and the Alabama connection is in our favor. Plus I kind of like the fact his snaps were limited prior to this season--means he wasn't overworked like most Bama players.

i cant predict our spot yet, i am being optimistic about this season but i think were gonna be in the early teens, and i wouldnt say floyd is an inferior prospect, just a different kind of player, hes more of an all around outside linebacker because he was pretty much excellent in coverage and also did very well against the run at georgia by playing patient and shooting through tight windows and making tackles on impossible angles. also, with this draft class he really could fall to the teens. last year there was bosa and then everyone else, this year is different. derek barnett is likely to go ahead of williams, charles harris has a real chance to, then theres malik mcdowell, jonathan allen, jalen tabor, leonard fournette, marlon humphrey, mike williams, all who are very likely to go ahead of Tim Williams, then you have adoree jackson, jabrill peppers, mike mcglinchey, jamal adams, and 2-3 qbs who have a very realistic shot at getting picked somewhere mixed in that litter in th top 10, and of course myles garrett. 

ive noticed that when we see prospects we like, and they are in range, we find ways to talk ourselves out of liking them or we assume that they are the absolute top player on every teams list before we pick lol. 

[Maryland]

I think it's too early to call Barnett going ahead of Williams. It depends if you want an OLB who is more balanced in stopping the run and rushing the passer, or the best DPR in the draft who could possibly develop into an every-down LB. It's almost like choosing between AJ Green and Julio Jones at the rush-LB position lol.

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

IThat said, I doubt he's in our range come draft day (maybe I'm being overly optimistic on how good we are this year, but I see us going 8-8 and getting a pick in the late teens). I mean, if Leonard Floyd--an inferior prospect by comparison--can go #9 overall, I doubt Williams falls into the teens, even in a stronger draft class. Maybe we'll trade up for him, considering the need is dire, and the Alabama connection is in our favor. Plus I kind of like the fact his snaps were limited prior to this season--means he wasn't overworked like most Bama players.

 

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i cant predict our spot yet, i am being optimistic about this season but i think were gonna be in the early teens, and i wouldnt say floyd is an inferior prospect, just a different kind of player, hes more of an all around outside linebacker because he was pretty much excellent in coverage and also did very well against the run at georgia by playing patient and shooting through tight windows and making tackles on impossible angles. also, with this draft class he really could fall to the teens. last year there was bosa and then everyone else, this year is different. derek barnett is likely to go ahead of williams, charles harris has a real chance to, then theres malik mcdowell, jonathan allen, jalen tabor, leonard fournette, marlon humphrey, mike williams, all who are very likely to go ahead of Tim Williams, then you have adoree jackson, jabrill peppers, mike mcglinchey, jamal adams, and 2-3 qbs who have a very realistic shot at getting picked somewhere mixed in that litter in th top 10, and of course myles garrett. 

ive noticed that when we see prospects we like, and they are in range, we find ways to talk ourselves out of liking them or we assume that they are the absolute top player on every teams list before we pick lol. 

Maybe 2017 is the year we go for the player we like, no matter what. 

[JoeyFlex5]

56 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I think it's too early to call Barnett going ahead of Williams. It depends if you want an OLB who is more balanced in stopping the run and rushing the passer, or the best DPR in the draft who could possibly develop into an every-down LB. It's almost like choosing between AJ Green and Julio Jones at the rush-LB position lol.

i mean it seems to be almost unanimous. basically every outlet has barnett going top 10 without question and williams going in the teens. 

like you said its too early to tell, but if the current opinions are any indication... then yea.

[BmoreBird22]

Is he the one that had gun charges?

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Is he the one that had gun charges?

Yes. Not sure if he will be drafted in the first round but teams are definitely going to be concern about that and want to do some further research on his character.

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

Yes. Not sure if he will be drafted in the first round but teams are definitely going to be concern about that and want to do some further research on his character.

Matt Miller spoke to scouts that dropped him from the first entirely.

[Jacquouille]

You know as a player I'm still not sold on Williams. Just watched his Tennessee tape and it was pretty underwhelming. Won the first snap with explosiveness but after that he didn't do much. Was by a large margin the last one off the snap, didn't bring a lot of speed/power conversion, didn't win outside with bend... I have to see more from him to be convinced he is worth more than, say, a Quincy Wilson or a Jamal Adams.

[ravensnation5220]

I'm a big fan of Tim Williams. Been a fan since last year. Love the stat you put that he get a sack on one of 10 attempts, it's amazing because he gets pressure on nearly half of his attempts. He's got as much of a ceiling as any player in this draft. Only question is his character. I think it's time we take a chance on a blue chip collar type prospect like williams

[Robbyrobbass]

On 11/5/2016 at 0:27 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tim Williams, the ultimate upside pass rusher. This kid ballooned 22 pounds in one year to go from a little known player to a top 3 sack artist in the nation. Tim Williams averages 1 sack every 10 TEAM snaps(not accounting for snaps when he isnt on the field, which isnt much as he is a 3 down player, but worth mentioning). After the all-time prospect myles garrett, tim williams has easily the highest ceiling of any pass rusher in this class, far more potential than derek barnett, and i even think hes a better all around player as well. So, what about tim williams makes him such an attractive prospect for us... 

 

Need: there are many positions that could make a world of difference for this team. a Center could make our run game actually function thus allowing us to pass more efficiently as well, a corner could take weight off of our pass rush and we could stop giving up long touchdowns, a wide receiver could bail out joe when hes flustered... but a top flight edge rusher, is something we desperately need. our entire pass rush hinges on; terrell suggs and dumervil staying healthy and actually playing at a decent level(something they just cant do anymore) and the rest of our pass rush hangs on our DTs and matt judon, and while judon looks good so far, he is far from an explosive edge rusher, hes more a tactician, we lack that threat of getting in the backfield very quickly and scaring the bejeezus out of qb's on every passing down. our explosiveness in the pass rush is easily the worst in the league. 

Fit: the guy is an OLB, he can play it in both 34 and 43, he has the power for it, he began the season at 252, which is reasonably adequate, but his functional strength is outstanding, he brings the heat on every snap, he has the punch of a DE, and the speed to power conversion of an elite 34OLB. he has the explosiveness to beat the tackle around the corner often or at least make his job very difficult, he has the agility to take a wide lane and stop and cut back in, he would be lethal on blitzes, and he has the hustle and through the roof athleticism to make plays in coverage as well, but that would just be a waste. 

Ceiling/Floor: Tim Williams does need some work, he lacks refinement, but isnt totally deficient there either. He has a spin move that he uses well and combines it with a elbow swing afterwards to prevent the tackle from recovering, power-to-speed conversion alone shows a solid conceptual grasp and some know-how considering many fast edge rushers in college try to win the corner every time, but the ability to take a loss on the corner and still manage to get the tackle on their heels by adjusting on the fly and using that speed to bull rush to set up your next move suggests the possibility that he is far from finished in his development. He is a possibly 10 sack rookie and is the type of guy you can realistically hope for 16+ sacks from in some years.

Hustle: After playing sparingly for 2 years, Tim knew he needed to bulk up to be the player he wanted to be. he hit the weight room and gained 22 pounds of raw muscle, the kid is a muscled out freak, supreme fitness to put it simply. he has that hunger, and after his incident with the gun, and the talk of him being too incomplete to take past a certain point, i think he would pick up that phone call from ozzie and be JACKED and ready to go to work. plus the kid has a lot of hustle on the field as well, he initiates a ton of big plays through his incredible talent but has also made plays on pure effort, him and jonathan allen split the set-up and the clean-up often, theyre an incredibly fun tandem to watch. 

 

i would take myles garrett, jonathan allen, and nobody else over tim williams, i think this guy is a future stud, and the lack of attention he gets around here is insane, he looks like a prospect these boards would drool over.

 

Courtney Upshaw  ?????? Lol

[jboy19]

2 hours ago, Robbyrobbass said:

Courtney Upshaw  ?????? Lol

Courtney Upshaw? 

[Jacquouille]

Watched the A&M tape last week, a lot to like. Don't know how Genessy is seen from a Draft standpoint, but Williams turned him into a turnstile.

[Robbyrobbass]

On 11/5/2016 at 7:47 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

Is he the one that had gun charges?

If Ozzie  and the crew are still here he's not going 2  be a Raven  no matter  where we fall

[GrimCoconut]

I like Williams but I like my boy Allen better; however, I always get nervous in Allen-Williams situations where one may benefit from the other. 

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Williams but I like my boy Allen better; however, I always get nervous in Allen-Williams situations where one may benefit from the other. 

Allen is no doubt the better of the 2, but he'll likely go well before we would even think we had a shot at him.  I'm really curious to see what happens with Williams, though.  I'd think there are still some concerns about his ability to play every down, but man, he can rush the passer.  Some might look at him as a Leonard Floyd type of situation where you ignore all of the issues and draft him early based on what he does best.  On the other hand though, the depth at pass rusher in this class is a lot deeper, so teams might shy away thinking they can get a more complete, every down player.

Regardless of those thoughts, I wouldn't hesitate putting in the card for Williams if I was the Ravens, and depending on who else was available of course.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like Williams but I like my boy Allen better; however, I always get nervous in Allen-Williams situations where one may benefit from the other. 

i dont think anyone would disagree with you either, but allen is almost a lock for top 5, worst case scenario for him he goes between 5-8.

[RaineV1]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i dont think anyone would disagree with you either, but allen is almost a lock for top 5, worst case scenario for him he goes between 5-8.

Yeah. The Titans (using the Rams' pick they got) is the furthest he's going to fall, which will be like pick 4 or 5.

[Sizzlebshu]

No chance we get him 

[JO_75]

3 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

No chance we get him 

Based off our record, potentially going 9-7 or at 8-8, considering how tight everything is we'll be in the late teens or even at 20. So we'll miss out on him by 10, maybe more spots if Williams wows at the combine and his workouts. I wouldn't mind getting him either but no chance when you look at where we'll end up picking.

[reed20]

TW has had some off the field issues and his stock might even fall but after last nights game after not getting a single sack on Ben, I do agree we need a pass rusher. I'd still like to get a good center at some point too though.

Edited December 26, 2016 by reed20

[ravefan52]

There's some top level prospects I think could fall, Williams is definitely not one of them. Teams will not care about him legally carrying a gun and they shouldn't

[RavensDieHard21]

I am gunning for either Sidney Jones or Williams. As you have stated, pass rush is our biggest need. Williams is going to be a big time rusher at the next level. I'm going to guess we will draft 17-18 and depending on the combine I see him going somewhere between 8-15. Ozzie needs to quit that he is coming right for us mantra lmao. I'm not always about getting frantic and making unnecessary moves, but clinging onto every pick has proven to be a slightly flawed approach as we have stayed out and missing on guys that we not too far away. 2010 with Dez Bryant. 2014 I was praying we would move and grab Mack or even Martin, but CJ came out great. 2015, we really stayed put and paid. We missed out on an elite CB--Peter--as well as another rusher in Shane Ray. 

[GrimCoconut]

On the subject of Williams vs. Barnett, that's a tough one. I think that Barnett has a much better bend than Williams, evidenced by the fact that Williams doesn't bend as well as Barnett; however, Williams uses his hands better than Barnett (who isn't at all bad but is good with his hands) HOWEVER Williams has a hard time getting off of blocks in the run game against tackles and guards.  I've even seen him get eliminated by a TE against A&M on a few plays.  That's a concern for me because you can't have an OLB getting washed out of the run game against a college TE but it happens with Williams.  That said, Williams knows how to use his body and can knife through the offense to get to the QB, which I really like about him.  That's a really nice aspect of him.  Also, Williams seems to go too far up field like Barnett, but Barnett isn't as bad because Williams really goes up the field and that's a slight issue for me.  That said, his recovery speed is ridiculous so he can compensate; however, I don't know if his recovery speed will work as a pro.

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

On the subject of Williams vs. Barnett, that's a tough one. I think that Barnett has a much better bend than Williams, evidenced by the fact that Williams doesn't bend as well as Barnett; however, Williams uses his hands better than Barnett (who isn't at all bad but is good with his hands) HOWEVER Williams has a hard time getting off of blocks in the run game against tackles and guards.  I've even seen him get eliminated by a TE against A&M on a few plays.  That's a concern for me because you can't have an OLB getting washed out of the run game against a college TE but it happens with Williams.  That said, Williams knows how to use his body and can knife through the offense to get to the QB, which I really like about him.  That's a really nice aspect of him.  Also, Williams seems to go too far up field like Barnett, but Barnett isn't as bad because Williams really goes up the field and that's a slight issue for me.  That said, his recovery speed is ridiculous so he can compensate; however, I don't know if his recovery speed will work as a pro.

sounds like you dont have the slightest clue as to who the helll you like better...

[allblackraven]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

sounds like you dont have the slightest clue as to who the helll you like better...

Easy solution for the problem - take either of those two, then draft Anderson in 2nd.

Get CB in free agency.