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we will win sunday whether ben plays or not. i feel this team will play with a sense of urgency and will get it done and please hire norv turner as a consultant for the rest of the season to put pressure on marty.

What makes you think that he wants to work anywhere?

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I've made several posts recently about how the FO put us in this position.

They knew Joe was coming off a major injury, so what do they do? They draft a RT. Great. Oh, but they let go of Osemele and started the rookie. NOT GREAT!!! Now Stanley's injured and I'm sure Yanda is hurt from over compensating at his position, or as a result of Stanley's performance. What the heck? was the FO thinking on that one??? Biggest mistake since letting go of Boldin IMO. I could go on about the lack of quality draft picks since 08 as well.

This team stinks because the FO has lost it's touch.

We're trying to find a way to protect Joe for the next 5+ years, not just for the one season he's coming back from an ACL tear.

No realistic reason to pay $12M a year to a Guard. KO could never produce enough to get a return on that, even if he was the best Guard in the league. Why? Because the second best Guard in the league plays for like 70% of that.

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Norv Turner - Just say NO!

Twice his offenses have had the best RB in football (and Hall of Famers) - LaDanian Tomlinson & AP and he's barely been able to take them to the play-offs. Remember Phillip Rivers getting sacked every other play? That was Turner's offense. Remember the Chargers keeping Rivers and letting Brees walk - that was Turner. Remember the Redskins starting 7-1 and finishing 9-7 - that was Turner.

I don't want any part of a coach that has more losses than wins (122 of them).

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Norv Turner - Just say NO!

Twice his offenses have had the best RB in football (and Hall of Famers) - LaDanian Tomlinson & AP and he's barely been able to take them to the play-offs. Remember Phillip Rivers getting sacked every other play? That was Turner's offense. Remember the Chargers keeping Rivers and letting Brees walk - that was Turner. Remember the Redskins starting 7-1 and finishing 9-7 - that was Turner.

I don't want any part of a coach that has more losses than wins (122 of them).

as an oc he is very good. as a hc he struggled. i will take norv turner the oc.

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The Vikings OC (Norv Turner) has just resigned. I think with Norvs success elsewhere.... he may be able to boost our offensive production enough to change that win total prediction?

not in the slightest. our o line is terrible. Its just like Leslie Frasier coming in during the offseason. For some reason people thought he was going to be our secondaries savior. there is too much purple koolaid being consumed here. do you remember how excited people were two years ago when we signed Kendrick Lewis or when we resigned Sharice Wright. Both of those players have played at a below average level for their entire careers and people wonder why they cant live up to the hype. they cant live up to it because it was never deserved. and I fully expect next year for everyone on this site to pencil John Urchel at center. And when he isnt starting they will say he must be in some sort of dog house. there will be pleanty of articles about him and his math skills during the offseason that will make people totally forget about how terrible he has played for us the past few years. I put Ben Watson in this category too. Everyone was so excited that we paid for an undersized slow and aging TE. Even if he didnt get hurt their is no way he would have lived up to those expectations. He has been an average tight end his whole career except for last year when he was helped by the system he was in. And dont forget about Justin Forsett, the 31 year old coming off of an injury who has only had 1 season out of 8 where he was able to put up more than 650 yards.

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Joe heard about the complaining and we are going on a five plus game win streak! Hopefully we ruffled his feathers and he get it together because throwing the O line under the bus the entire season isn't gonna work!

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It would be nice to see some of these old guys get a ring. Maybe that's their evil plan save it till the end when the going is getting real tough.

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  4 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

The Vikings OC (Norv Turner) has just resigned. I think with Norvs success elsewhere.... he may be able to boost our offensive production enough to change that win total prediction?

not in the slightest. our o line is terrible. Its just like Leslie Frasier coming in during the offseason. For some reason people thought he was going to be our secondaries savior. there is too much purple koolaid being consumed here. do you remember how excited people were two years ago when we signed Kendrick Lewis or when we resigned Sharice Wright. Both of those players have played at a below average level for their entire careers and people wonder why they cant live up to the hype. they cant live up to it because it was never deserved. and I fully expect next year for everyone on this site to pencil John Urchel at center. And when he isnt starting they will say he must be in some sort of dog house. there will be pleanty of articles about him and his math skills during the offseason that will make people totally forget about how terrible he has played for us the past few years. I put Ben Watson in this category too. Everyone was so excited that we paid for an undersized slow and aging TE. Even if he didnt get hurt their is no way he would have lived up to those expectations. He has been an average tight end his whole career except for last year when he was helped by the system he was in. And dont forget about Justin Forsett, the 31 year old coming off of an injury who has only had 1 season out of 8 where he was able to put up more than 650 yards.

You clearly don't look at the stats for Urschel and you must be basing your assumptions on your expert evaluation skills of NFL players. Of course, PFF would disagree with you as Urschel has been one of the better offensive lineman (both this year and last) and a lot of experts with many more years of NFL evaluation experience believe he should have started before Zuttah this year. Don't know if you know this or not, but PFF doesn't look at Urschels IQ when they rate his play nor do they read articles about him. But I am sure those expert skills of yours would tell you that Zuttah has played well this year (once again PFF would disagree). You know, I think the Steelers are looking for fans because based on your diatribe, why would you be a fan of a team who knows so little when you clearly know so much.

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Lets see. Fact: The Ravens can't beat the Giants, the Redskins, the Raiders, or the Jets, but people are picking them to win the next 3 of five games. A realist would make them 1-4. The only victory might, I say might, happen against Cleveland, but even that is not a gimme. Pittsburgh and Dallas will destroy them. Cincy probably will too. I look for the Dolphins game to be close, but, given the Ravens penchant for tossing games away, they will find a way to lose this one too. Instead of being in the drivers seat and beating 3 bad teams, they choked on them and now find themselves with must wins against much stiffer competition. Good luck with that.

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  3 hours ago, KidNme said:

Weather it's the Steelers or the Browns, we tend to keep them close no matter who we play. I have little doubt that we'll play better after having the Bye and with the extra week to game plan, we should be able to throw in a few wrinkles that get the Squeelrs off balance, for the 1st half. It's the 2nd half we tend to suck at. Both teams are rested so no real advantage there. My man cave will be split between Steeler fans and Ravens fans this weekend so although I do expect a close game, we need to pull it out or I'll be hearing it for at least the rest of the season. The players may be able to forget the "last game" but us fans have to live with it forever! :-)
LET's GO RAVENS!!!

Good luck in your man cave with Squeely fans, KidNme :)
Yes- LET's GO RAVENS!!!

Thanks CQ1! We'll be starting off the day's Mojo with some 12ga target practice in the back yard. My Steeler fan guests don't know it yet but, I got orange clay targets I painted Steelers names and jersey numbers on. Should be fun! "PULL"!

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  1 hour ago, billiejean said:
  5 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

The Vikings OC (Norv Turner) has just resigned. I think with Norvs success elsewhere.... he may be able to boost our offensive production enough to change that win total prediction?

not in the slightest. our o line is terrible. Its just like Leslie Frasier coming in during the offseason. For some reason people thought he was going to be our secondaries savior. there is too much purple koolaid being consumed here. do you remember how excited people were two years ago when we signed Kendrick Lewis or when we resigned Sharice Wright. Both of those players have played at a below average level for their entire careers and people wonder why they cant live up to the hype. they cant live up to it because it was never deserved. and I fully expect next year for everyone on this site to pencil John Urchel at center. And when he isnt starting they will say he must be in some sort of dog house. there will be pleanty of articles about him and his math skills during the offseason that will make people totally forget about how terrible he has played for us the past few years. I put Ben Watson in this category too. Everyone was so excited that we paid for an undersized slow and aging TE. Even if he didnt get hurt their is no way he would have lived up to those expectations. He has been an average tight end his whole career except for last year when he was helped by the system he was in. And dont forget about Justin Forsett, the 31 year old coming off of an injury who has only had 1 season out of 8 where he was able to put up more than 650 yards.

You clearly don't look at the stats for Urschel and you must be basing your assumptions on your expert evaluation skills of NFL players. Of course, PFF would disagree with you as Urschel has been one of the better offensive lineman (both this year and last) and a lot of experts with many more years of NFL evaluation experience believe he should have started before Zuttah this year. Don't know if you know this or not, but PFF doesn't look at Urschels IQ when they rate his play nor do they read articles about him. But I am sure those expert skills of yours would tell you that Zuttah has played well this year (once again PFF would disagree). You know, I think the Steelers are looking for fans because based on your diatribe, why would you be a fan of a team who knows so little when you clearly know so much.

"PFF would disagree with you as Urschel has been one of the better offensive lineman" Are you serious? I have a a DVR and when I go back and re watched the last game John Urschel got beat like a drum. He is one of the reason the run game suks. PFF stand for Pretty Freak en Funny they had Ravens secondary one of the best REALLY.. John might be good in another position but he has not played that for weeks..

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Just to let you know, right before the broadcast, Qadry was seen drinking some purple Koolaid backstage.

I think Qadry has a purple Koolaid I.V. at night.

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@MetalRaven
I've made several posts recently about how the FO put us in this position.

They knew Joe was coming off a major injury, so what do they do? They draft a RT. Great. Oh, but they let go of Osemele and started the rookie. NOT GREAT!!! Now Stanley's injured and I'm sure Yanda is hurt from over compensating at his position, or as a result of Stanley's performance. What the heck? was the FO thinking on that one??? Biggest mistake since letting go of Boldin IMO. I could go on about the lack of quality draft picks since 08 as well.

This team stinks because the FO has lost it's touch.

Stanley was a great draft pick. Someone who could come right in and protect Joe. He was an ironman in college so him getting hurt was unforeseeable. And you need to get over unloading Boldin. None of the teams hes played for has done that great so GET OVER IT. SSS is much better.

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Norv Turner - Just say NO!

Twice his offenses have had the best RB in football (and Hall of Famers) - LaDanian Tomlinson & AP and he's barely been able to take them to the play-offs. Remember Phillip Rivers getting sacked every other play? That was Turner's offense. Remember the Chargers keeping Rivers and letting Brees walk - that was Turner. Remember the Redskins starting 7-1 and finishing 9-7 - that was Turner.

I don't want any part of a coach that has more losses than wins (122 of them).

I agree! Didn't he have a go with the Browns as well? I don't remember THEM doing anything spectacular. We need to give Marty a chance.

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  54 minutes ago, fusuymada said:
  1 hour ago, billiejean said:
  5 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

The Vikings OC (Norv Turner) has just resigned. I think with Norvs success elsewhere.... he may be able to boost our offensive production enough to change that win total prediction?

not in the slightest. our o line is terrible. Its just like Leslie Frasier coming in during the offseason. For some reason people thought he was going to be our secondaries savior. there is too much purple koolaid being consumed here. do you remember how excited people were two years ago when we signed Kendrick Lewis or when we resigned Sharice Wright. Both of those players have played at a below average level for their entire careers and people wonder why they cant live up to the hype. they cant live up to it because it was never deserved. and I fully expect next year for everyone on this site to pencil John Urchel at center. And when he isnt starting they will say he must be in some sort of dog house. there will be pleanty of articles about him and his math skills during the offseason that will make people totally forget about how terrible he has played for us the past few years. I put Ben Watson in this category too. Everyone was so excited that we paid for an undersized slow and aging TE. Even if he didnt get hurt their is no way he would have lived up to those expectations. He has been an average tight end his whole career except for last year when he was helped by the system he was in. And dont forget about Justin Forsett, the 31 year old coming off of an injury who has only had 1 season out of 8 where he was able to put up more than 650 yards.

You clearly don't look at the stats for Urschel and you must be basing your assumptions on your expert evaluation skills of NFL players. Of course, PFF would disagree with you as Urschel has been one of the better offensive lineman (both this year and last) and a lot of experts with many more years of NFL evaluation experience believe he should have started before Zuttah this year. Don't know if you know this or not, but PFF doesn't look at Urschels IQ when they rate his play nor do they read articles about him. But I am sure those expert skills of yours would tell you that Zuttah has played well this year (once again PFF would disagree). You know, I think the Steelers are looking for fans because based on your diatribe, why would you be a fan of a team who knows so little when you clearly know so much.

"PFF would disagree with you as Urschel has been one of the better offensive lineman" Are you serious? I have a a DVR and when I go back and re watched the last game John Urschel got beat like a drum. He is one of the reason the run game suks. PFF stand for Pretty Freak en Funny they had Ravens secondary one of the best REALLY.. John might be good in another position but he has not played that for weeks..

Well because up to this point the Ravens secondary has been one of the best. I'm not even sure an argument can be made that they haven't been quite frankly.

Sure, some breakdowns in coverage have happened, specifically against the Giants and Raiders, but if you looked around the league at what other teams are doing, you'll see similar issues, so that's not just a Ravens problem.

Now the only thing you possibly COULD argue is that our secondary has been propped up by a less than stellar selection of QBs they've played against, which could be true.

But quite obviously a greatly improved unit that, when healthy, has shown can be a very good unit most of the time.

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  5 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

The Vikings OC (Norv Turner) has just resigned. I think with Norvs success elsewhere.... he may be able to boost our offensive production enough to change that win total prediction?

not in the slightest. our o line is terrible. Its just like Leslie Frasier coming in during the offseason. For some reason people thought he was going to be our secondaries savior. there is too much purple koolaid being consumed here. do you remember how excited people were two years ago when we signed Kendrick Lewis or when we resigned Sharice Wright. Both of those players have played at a below average level for their entire careers and people wonder why they cant live up to the hype. they cant live up to it because it was never deserved. and I fully expect next year for everyone on this site to pencil John Urchel at center. And when he isnt starting they will say he must be in some sort of dog house. there will be pleanty of articles about him and his math skills during the offseason that will make people totally forget about how terrible he has played for us the past few years. I put Ben Watson in this category too. Everyone was so excited that we paid for an undersized slow and aging TE. Even if he didnt get hurt their is no way he would have lived up to those expectations. He has been an average tight end his whole career except for last year when he was helped by the system he was in. And dont forget about Justin Forsett, the 31 year old coming off of an injury who has only had 1 season out of 8 where he was able to put up more than 650 yards.

I agree with most of what you said except about Forsett. He had the misfortune to be playing behind some super stars and never got the chance. His yrds per carry were off the charts though.

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Lets see. Fact: The Ravens can't beat the Giants, the Redskins, the Raiders, or the Jets, but people are picking them to win the next 3 of five games. A realist would make them 1-4. The only victory might, I say might, happen against Cleveland, but even that is not a gimme. Pittsburgh and Dallas will destroy them. Cincy probably will too. I look for the Dolphins game to be close, but, given the Ravens penchant for tossing games away, they will find a way to lose this one too. Instead of being in the drivers seat and beating 3 bad teams, they choked on them and now find themselves with must wins against much stiffer competition. Good luck with that.

Kind of hard to argue that the three teams you listed are bad teams. Raiders, to me, are a virtual lock to be a playoff team at this point, and I could easily make a case for them as the 2nd best team in the AFC.

I don't think the Redskins or Giants are anything special, but both are likely to be .500 type teams or better. Certainly not bad teams.

The Jets are a bad team.

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Norv Turner - Just say NO!

Twice his offenses have had the best RB in football (and Hall of Famers) - LaDanian Tomlinson & AP and he's barely been able to take them to the play-offs. Remember Phillip Rivers getting sacked every other play? That was Turner's offense. Remember the Chargers keeping Rivers and letting Brees walk - that was Turner. Remember the Redskins starting 7-1 and finishing 9-7 - that was Turner.

I don't want any part of a coach that has more losses than wins (122 of them).

Gary Kubiak says hello...

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4 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

Just to let you know, right before the broadcast, Qadry was seen drinking some purple Koolaid backstage.

How he has a job as an announcer/analyst is beyond me.  He has to have pics of someone from the Front Office. 

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@MetalRaven
I've made several posts recently about how the FO put us in this position.

They knew Joe was coming off a major injury, so what do they do? They draft a RT. Great. Oh, but they let go of Osemele and started the rookie. NOT GREAT!!! Now Stanley's injured and I'm sure Yanda is hurt from over compensating at his position, or as a result of Stanley's performance. What the heck? was the FO thinking on that one??? Biggest mistake since letting go of Boldin IMO. I could go on about the lack of quality draft picks since 08 as well.

This team stinks because the FO has lost it's touch.

Yes.....To sum it up:
Iron DOES forge iron....however, a stinky fish head forges an entire stinky fish.

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  5 hours ago, CQ1 said:
  5 hours ago, KidNme said:

Weather it's the Steelers or the Browns, we tend to keep them close no matter who we play. I have little doubt that we'll play better after having the Bye and with the extra week to game plan, we should be able to throw in a few wrinkles that get the Squeelrs off balance, for the 1st half. It's the 2nd half we tend to suck at. Both teams are rested so no real advantage there. My man cave will be split between Steeler fans and Ravens fans this weekend so although I do expect a close game, we need to pull it out or I'll be hearing it for at least the rest of the season. The players may be able to forget the "last game" but us fans have to live with it forever! :-)
LET's GO RAVENS!!!

Good luck in your man cave with Squeely fans, KidNme :)
Yes- LET's GO RAVENS!!!

Thanks CQ1! We'll be starting off the day's Mojo with some 12ga target practice in the back yard. My Steeler fan guests don't know it yet but, I got orange clay targets I painted Steelers names and jersey numbers on. Should be fun! "PULL"!

Thats a classic.......as long as the target doesn't later become the television. If you run out of targets, flinging some Maalox- if any are left, make great targets :)

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Joe heard about the complaining and we are going on a five plus game win streak! Hopefully we ruffled his feathers and he get it together because throwing the O line under the bus the entire season isn't gonna work!

Lets hope we ruffled something P-dawg!

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Lucky to go 1-4 with FBAJ behind center. What has changed? He's been AWFUL, no matter who's playing anywhere on the offense!! A stellar 78% percent rating, which is FOUR points below his career average.

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  3 hours ago, KidNme said:
  7 hours ago, CQ1 said:
  7 hours ago, KidNme said:

Weather it's the Steelers or the Browns, we tend to keep them close no matter who we play. I have little doubt that we'll play better after having the Bye and with the extra week to game plan, we should be able to throw in a few wrinkles that get the Squeelrs off balance, for the 1st half. It's the 2nd half we tend to suck at. Both teams are rested so no real advantage there. My man cave will be split between Steeler fans and Ravens fans this weekend so although I do expect a close game, we need to pull it out or I'll be hearing it for at least the rest of the season. The players may be able to forget the "last game" but us fans have to live with it forever! :-)
LET's GO RAVENS!!!

Good luck in your man cave with Squeely fans, KidNme :)
Yes- LET's GO RAVENS!!!

Thanks CQ1! We'll be starting off the day's Mojo with some 12ga target practice in the back yard. My Steeler fan guests don't know it yet but, I got orange clay targets I painted Steelers names and jersey numbers on. Should be fun! "PULL"!

Thats a classic.......as long as the target doesn't later become the television. If you run out of targets, flinging some Maalox- if any are left, make great targets :)

:-), Naw, the clay targets are cheap. The big screen TV, not so much!
I got a few pumpkins to splatter after the game If we need to. They're cheap after Halloween and I'm keeping them blank just in case we have to paint a couple Ravens jerseys on them to vent a little but hopefully it's to let our Squeeler fans get some payback for the stomping we're going to give them! Oh ya, we'll also be serving Purple Kool-aid during the game! :-)

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17 hours ago, fusuymada said:
18 hours ago, billiejean said:
  9 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

The Vikings OC (Norv Turner) has just resigned. I think with Norvs success elsewhere.... he may be able to boost our offensive production enough to change that win total prediction?

not in the slightest. our o line is terrible. Its just like Leslie Frasier coming in during the offseason. For some reason people thought he was going to be our secondaries savior. there is too much purple koolaid being consumed here. do you remember how excited people were two years ago when we signed Kendrick Lewis or when we resigned Sharice Wright. Both of those players have played at a below average level for their entire careers and people wonder why they cant live up to the hype. they cant live up to it because it was never deserved. and I fully expect next year for everyone on this site to pencil John Urchel at center. And when he isnt starting they will say he must be in some sort of dog house. there will be pleanty of articles about him and his math skills during the offseason that will make people totally forget about how terrible he has played for us the past few years. I put Ben Watson in this category too. Everyone was so excited that we paid for an undersized slow and aging TE. Even if he didnt get hurt their is no way he would have lived up to those expectations. He has been an average tight end his whole career except for last year when he was helped by the system he was in. And dont forget about Justin Forsett, the 31 year old coming off of an injury who has only had 1 season out of 8 where he was able to put up more than 650 yards.

You clearly don't look at the stats for Urschel and you must be basing your assumptions on your expert evaluation skills of NFL players. Of course, PFF would disagree with you as Urschel has been one of the better offensive lineman (both this year and last) and a lot of experts with many more years of NFL evaluation experience believe he should have started before Zuttah this year. Don't know if you know this or not, but PFF doesn't look at Urschels IQ when they rate his play nor do they read articles about him. But I am sure those expert skills of yours would tell you that Zuttah has played well this year (once again PFF would disagree). You know, I think the Steelers are looking for fans because based on your diatribe, why would you be a fan of a team who knows so little when you clearly know so much.

yea, i dont pay for PFF which is the only way you would be able to obtain that information.  But i would love to be wrong.  If you can copy and paste his PFF grade for last season and for this season I would love to see it.  When I googled PFF and Urchel this is what came up (link bellow).  Its from last year which you say he played well.  I obviously dont know what his grade was at the end of the season but it would be hard to overcome the -9.9 with only four games left in that season. It is possible that you may be talking about his rookie year when he came in towards the end of the season becaseu of injuries.  He actually played much better in those games (including the playoofs) than he has inthe last two seasons.  Disregard the bit about me not being able to find the grades.  It took a while but I found them and they sure are terrible.

. Center John Urschel (-4.4) has now graded at -9.9 over the past three weeks, and gave up a sack, three hits and three hurries yesterday.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-sea-bal-grades/

" he’s done a pretty solid job in the past, grading a little above average at guard back in 2014, though he struggled at center last year. Urschel also looked shaky against a talented Panthers’ interior in the preseason opener, allowing two hurries on just 10 pass-blocking snaps "

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-2016-cheat-sheet-baltimore-ravens/

If you scroll down to where the projected starters are shown it tells you what the players grade from 2015. Johns was 44.8.  Now if you look at the link bellow and scroll down to the grade breakdown you will see that  a grade off 59.9 or below is a poor grade.  44.8 is really terrible

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

Now to this year..... he is currently the 49th best gaurd in the league which is pretty terrible.
"So here’s a few PFF ranks on the Ravens O-Line, within their respective positional groups:" John Urchel 49th best gaurd in league

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/11/01/report-card/ravens-midseason-report-card/

But this is what we have come to expect from you and your posts.  A lot of anecdotal information that is just so far from the reality of the situation.  

Cmon man. Did you just make this stuff up? Did you expect me not to check ?  What was the though process here.  You call me out for not looking at PFF when in fact you haven't looked at it yourself ?  

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Like I said before if Brandon decides to walk Pierce has shown some serious potential to get after passer and stop the run. Hopefully Carl Davis needs to catch up. I would like to see more of Wille Henry in the mix at that DT/DE position.

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As crazy as it sounds, I'm siding with Qadry on this one. I think we can become 7-5 after these games but will we do it is the magic question. The best team out of all of them imo is Dallas.

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5 minutes ago, RavenSwag said:

As crazy as it sounds, I'm siding with Qadry on this one. I think we can become 7-5 after these games but will we do it is the magic question. The best team out of all of them imo is Dallas.

I agree completely.  These are make or break games for the Ravens coming up.  Also, despite Dallas looking REALLY tough, I actually think we match up well with them.  Our biggest strength is our run D and their biggest strength is their running game.  If--BIG IF--we can limit their running game, we have a real chance in that game....but we gotta win these next 2 vs. Steelers (always a dogfight) and a tricky "trap" game vs. Browns--especially on short rest after a sure-to-be very physical game with the Steelers.  Gotta pull off those 2 W's for the Cowboys game to be truly relevant

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@John Urschel --- I'd love to check your paper on wait, wait !! I have to copy and paste this ugh, ugh paper got it - on "graph disaggregation "

Makes perfect sense to me. Especially the part about --- "Spectral graph bisections are a popular heuristic aimed at approximating the solution of the NP-complete graph bisection problem." That's stumped me for years.

I guess that degree from Podunck Community Collage just wasn't worth it.
RATS!!

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