[News] Late For Work 11/1: Lots Of Chatter Concerning Brandon Williams' Future

[RavenSwag]

It's a shame we can't afford our good players while the likes of Seattle can pay Russell Wilson, Kam Chancellor, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Michael Bennett, etc top dollar.

You gotta understand Seattle was capable of signing all of them guys to new deals(except Wagner because he was the last one to get paid after Wilson if I remember correctly) because Wilson was still getting paid under his rookie contract. That's why Bennett wants a new deal and Chancellor held out a few games last year for the same thing. On the other hand we have gave out some bad contracts as of late over the years that has us in a bad cap situation for next year and following years. Webb and Jimmy Smith are overpaid, Suggs and Doom are making good money but they're aging, no need to discuss Flacco's contract, Tucker is worth every penny, don't understand why we resigned Shareece Wright, Yanda isn't playing like the Yanda we all know and Weddle is performing like he's suppose to.

[RavenSwag]

I always said I don't think Brandon Williams(my cousin because of the same last name) won't be back here although he's one of the fan favorites because he's just a all around good guy. Rothliesberger is a drama queen and diva when it comes to injuries..every year he walks around like he's hurt badly just to end up playing the next week..he's been doing this for years and I'm glad the mad backer Bart Scott calls him out on it but we're not falling for it. It wouldn't surprise me if he plays. Sit Hester down and let Camp be our specialists and be our 3rd wr if he can stay healthy for a change. I wish I was as optimistic as a lot of other people thinking we can potentially get up to 9 wins. Why is all of these different articles coming out talking about a increased workload for Kenneth Dixon? Terrance West has been running the ball ok for the amount of carries he's getting. Am I missing something here or the front office is slowly but surely trying to make Dixon the starting rb?

[The Greek]

the fo is better off trading the draft picks for proven players. 2nd rd. picks since 2009. 09-kruger, 10-kindle&cody, 11-torrey smith, 12-osemele, 13-arthur brown, 14-jernigan, 15-max williams, 16-correia. we have had (9) 2nd rd. picks since 2009 and only 3 are on the roster with max and correia being ? as far as production. jernigan has been solid and osemele should have been resigned because he was a high draft pick that was dominant. 3rd rd picks since 2009. 09-webb, 10-dickson, 11-jah reid, 12-bernard pierce, 13-brandon williams, 14-brooks&gilmore, 15-carl davis, 16-bronson kafusi. out of (9) 3rd rd. picks since 2009 only webb and b. williams have produced. gilmore, davis need to get going soon and kaufusi we shall see when he is ready. 4th and 5th rd picks have found some production with the 6th&7th rounders being useless which make me wonder why we do not pkg the 4th to 7th rd picks to move up into the 1st and 2nd rds and draft better talent. need to resign players that produce in our system and b. willams is one of those guys and again osemele should have been resigned. fo needs to resign our studs and stop overpaying for stop gap players.

[fusuymada]

We need a core of good young players to rebuild around. Williams is one of the key players we need to keep. We made a huge mistake letting KO go. To say we wouldn't have gotten Weddle and Wallace is inaccurate because the FO could have figured it out even if it meant making our overpaid QB take a pay cut or ditching Webb. If were willing to let Ngata walk over his cap figure, losing Flacco would be no greater loss.

If they play Ben I would tackle him by the ankles and twist it every time. If they want to rush him back and risk injury, then I would test his knee, severely.

Campanaro can't stay healthy. He just can't do it. Of course, Hester can't either. Pick your poison.

If Ozzie would get off some of those draft picks he accumulates that turn into nothing and trades them for a receiver and backup left tackle, maybe we win the division. If Ozzie just sits and watches, I have to wonder if Ozzie isn't trying to cause Harbaugh to lose his job. I have never seen a GM do so poorly in drafts, keep accumulating draft picks and wasting them as much as Ozzie has over the past 5 years. Ozzie has left Harbaugh with just a shell of a team. If you consider the talent we had and let walk out the door, and what we did to replace them, you would have to surmise that someone is out to make someone lose a job. I mean, how much more obvious can you get. I have pounded my head trying to figure out Ozzie's strategy in these drafts and they make absolutely no sense. Failing to trade up in two drafts to pick up better players, picking players way ahead of where they were anticipated to go, trying to draft more 5th round and later players than any team in history, and trying to put a undrafted free agent on every team, sure does look like the FO is trying to get the coach fired.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  6 hours ago, Ravensbest52 said:

  6 hours ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Puzzling to me how they will let a player who has consistently played well and is hardly injured like B Williams walk and keep a brittle and inconsistent player like Webby around and pay him top dollar. I'm no GM but something has to change in the philosophy of who to keep and who to let walk.

agreed. We need to change our thinking in which we let our guys that produce walk and keep those that don't. Resigning wright was a mistake and could have used that money else where.

A huge mistake!! Idk what Ozzie's fascination is with underwhelming secondary players but it has to stop. Meanwhile he will let players like Boldin and Osemele walk right out that door smh.

Boldin & KO's contracts are/were bad deals. The Ravens got SSS for 1/3 of the cost of Boldin. Raiders will regret paying a Guard the price of the best LT in the game.

If BWill wants a Malik Jackson $90-100 million deal - let him walk.

There is a reason that the top teams in the league - Ravens, Pats, Squealers, Broncos - let their high price FA walk to bottom teams like Jags, Browns, Raiders, Redskins who overpay every year.

[The Greek]

so butler is now on his 3rd team since being cut. i guess he isnt as good as a lot of you have claimed.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, The Greek said:

so butler is now on his 3rd team since being cut. i guess he isnt as good as a lot of you have claimed.

He has shown flashes....nothing wrong with saying that, doesn't mean he was the next randy moss

[Crusader]

If Brandon goes make sure he takes the coaching staff and 1/2 the front office with him. So go ahead and do something that stupid.

[metalraven]

  8 hours ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  10 hours ago, Ravensbest52 said:

  10 hours ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Puzzling to me how they will let a player who has consistently played well and is hardly injured like B Williams walk and keep a brittle and inconsistent player like Webby around and pay him top dollar. I'm no GM but something has to change in the philosophy of who to keep and who to let walk.

agreed. We need to change our thinking in which we let our guys that produce walk and keep those that don't. Resigning wright was a mistake and could have used that money else where.

A huge mistake!! Idk what Ozzie's fascination is with underwhelming secondary players but it has to stop. Meanwhile he will let players like Boldin and Osemele walk right out that door smh.

Boldin & KO's contracts are/were bad deals. The Ravens got SSS for 1/3 of the cost of Boldin. Raiders will regret paying a Guard the price of the best LT in the game.

If BWill wants a Malik Jackson $90-100 million deal - let him walk.

There is a reason that the top teams in the league - Ravens, Pats, Squealers, Broncos - let their high price FA walk to bottom teams like Jags, Browns, Raiders, Redskins who overpay every year.

Dead on

[JamesA119]

so butler is now on his 3rd team since being cut. i guess he isnt as good as a lot of you have claimed.

No it doesn't mean that. The offense is different from team to team. Just like it takes OCs and QBs time to learn offense so it is with WRs

[whobilly]

  8 hours ago, whobilly said:

I would not have a problem with it if we could actually draft a player who would be more than our normal roster filler picks have been over the last eight years.

BWill is one of those players you're talking about. Post makes absolutely zero sense.

Yanda, Branden Williams, Mosley, are the exception. Who else have we drafted other than KO who you can truly say are impact players and not roster fillers. Go back and look at our drafts. Mediocre like our roster.

[bigcatfrank1]

the fo is better off trading the draft picks for proven players. 2nd rd. picks since 2009. 09-kruger, 10-kindle&cody, 11-torrey smith, 12-osemele, 13-arthur brown, 14-jernigan, 15-max williams, 16-correia. we have had (9) 2nd rd. picks since 2009 and only 3 are on the roster with max and correia being ? as far as production. jernigan has been solid and osemele should have been resigned because he was a high draft pick that was dominant. 3rd rd picks since 2009. 09-webb, 10-dickson, 11-jah reid, 12-bernard pierce, 13-brandon williams, 14-brooks&gilmore, 15-carl davis, 16-bronson kafusi. out of (9) 3rd rd. picks since 2009 only webb and b. williams have produced. gilmore, davis need to get going soon and kaufusi we shall see when he is ready. 4th and 5th rd picks have found some production with the 6th&7th rounders being useless which make me wonder why we do not pkg the 4th to 7th rd picks to move up into the 1st and 2nd rds and draft better talent. need to resign players that produce in our system and b. willams is one of those guys and again osemele should have been resigned. fo needs to resign our studs and stop overpaying for stop gap players.

If we kept Osemele, which I agree with btw. BUT with your scenerio BW would have to make a deal or we would have trouble with the Cap. I also agree never started the season without packaged Gilmore and a RB to pick up a Guard and CB......
or one and a draft pick.

[Cillmatic]

I agree with PurpleRainBlackVeins, Williams is a luxury and if he gets offered what he's worth I think it's better he walks. Pierce looks good and we can't afford to have what little cap space we have sucked up by a NT.

[Crusader]

If butler turns into another Jerry Rice or Q someone should be shown the door.

[balfan23]

Sure, we'd rather pay out the money for pass rushers and CBs over a run stuffer, but who exactly are these pass rushers and CBs that we're going to pay? Smith is under contract, as are Suggs and Doom and they're at the end of their time. What else do we have to spend money on? 

If we had a quality player at OLB, DE or CB, I'd say we'd have to think about letting him go. I'd say sign him, as long as someone doesn't come along and dump unreal money on him. If someone else pays him the kind of contract that was given to Suh, then forget it. Otherwise, keep him.  

[Crusader]

  On Tuesday, November 01, 2016 at 11:57 AM, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  On Tuesday, November 01, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Ravensbest52 said:

  On Tuesday, November 01, 2016 at 10:03 AM, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Puzzling to me how they will let a player who has consistently played well and is hardly injured like B Williams walk and keep a brittle and inconsistent player like Webby around and pay him top dollar. I'm no GM but something has to change in the philosophy of who to keep and who to let walk.

agreed. We need to change our thinking in which we let our guys that produce walk and keep those that don't. Resigning wright was a mistake and could have used that money else where.

A huge mistake!! Idk what Ozzie's fascination is with underwhelming secondary players but it has to stop. Meanwhile he will let players like Boldin and Osemele walk right out that door smh.

Boldin & KO's contracts are/were bad deals. The Ravens got SSS for 1/3 of the cost of Boldin. Raiders will regret paying a Guard the price of the best LT in the game.

If BWill wants a Malik Jackson $90-100 million deal - let him walk.

There is a reason that the top teams in the league - Ravens, Pats, Squealers, Broncos - let their high price FA walk to bottom teams like Jags, Browns, Raiders, Redskins who overpay every year.

Bolden contract a bad deal? Glade you don't make those decision cause we seen what dropped touchdowns pass in the end zone cost the Ravens.

[ravensrock89]

We need a core of good young players to rebuild around. Williams is one of the key players we need to keep. We made a huge mistake letting KO go. To say we wouldn't have gotten Weddle and Wallace is inaccurate because the FO could have figured it out even if it meant making our overpaid QB take a pay cut or ditching Webb. If were willing to let Ngata walk over his cap figure, losing Flacco would be no greater loss.

If they play Ben I would tackle him by the ankles and twist it every time. If they want to rush him back and risk injury, then I would test his knee, severely.

Campanaro can't stay healthy. He just can't do it. Of course, Hester can't either. Pick your poison.

If Ozzie would get off some of those draft picks he accumulates that turn into nothing and trades them for a receiver and backup left tackle, maybe we win the division. If Ozzie just sits and watches, I have to wonder if Ozzie isn't trying to cause Harbaugh to lose his job. I have never seen a GM do so poorly in drafts, keep accumulating draft picks and wasting them as much as Ozzie has over the past 5 years. Ozzie has left Harbaugh with just a shell of a team. If you consider the talent we had and let walk out the door, and what we did to replace them, you would have to surmise that someone is out to make someone lose a job. I mean, how much more obvious can you get. I have pounded my head trying to figure out Ozzie's strategy in these drafts and they make absolutely no sense. Failing to trade up in two drafts to pick up better players, picking players way ahead of where they were anticipated to go, trying to draft more 5th round and later players than any team in history, and trying to put a undrafted free agent on every team, sure does look like the FO is trying to get the coach fired.

i agree with you, and hate when he keeps trading back all the time grrrr it hasnt worked

[TheConquerorWorm]

3 hours ago, Crusader said:

9 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  13 hours ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  15 hours ago, Ravensbest52 said:

  15 hours ago, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Puzzling to me how they will let a player who has consistently played well and is hardly injured like B Williams walk and keep a brittle and inconsistent player like Webby around and pay him top dollar. I'm no GM but something has to change in the philosophy of who to keep and who to let walk.

agreed. We need to change our thinking in which we let our guys that produce walk and keep those that don't. Resigning wright was a mistake and could have used that money else where.

A huge mistake!! Idk what Ozzie's fascination is with underwhelming secondary players but it has to stop. Meanwhile he will let players like Boldin and Osemele walk right out that door smh.

Boldin & KO's contracts are/were bad deals. The Ravens got SSS for 1/3 of the cost of Boldin. Raiders will regret paying a Guard the price of the best LT in the game.

If BWill wants a Malik Jackson $90-100 million deal - let him walk.

There is a reason that the top teams in the league - Ravens, Pats, Squealers, Broncos - let their high price FA walk to bottom teams like Jags, Browns, Raiders, Redskins who overpay every year.

Bolden contract a bad deal? Glade you don't make those decision cause we seen what dropped touchdowns pass in the end zone cost the Ravens.

And we saw what happened to the 49ers after their bad deals for Boldin & Torrey.......Sure he was a solid WR but his contract was that of the best WRs in the league - he's not worth that. Again, we got SSS who put up as good numbers and as good clutch catches for a fraction of that price.

And we all saw Boldin drop that touchdown pass that hit him in the chest that lost us the play-off game against the Squealers.

https://youtu.be/a0fpONkw6yk?t=16

Edited November 2, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[Rav'n Maniac]

Imo, the whole problem with not being able to retain players for a 2nd contract is because the salary cap has not increased enough to match the increase in players salaries.

The NFL sets the salary base of good players annually with a value assigned to player positions under the franchise tag. If you use those 2016 values for 1 starting player at each position, you would have to spend $144.98m. That's 1 of each QB, RB, WR, OL, TE, DL, LB, CB, S and K. The salary cap for 2016 is only 155.2m.

How could that possibly work and still be able to field a team. It obviously can't and the NFL wants to understand why their ratings keep dropping. This is part of that reason.

Edited November 2, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[Fastynart]

While I like Brandon Williams, signing him will not fix the Ravens problems. I hope a deal can be worked out, but mortgaging the team for him would be another huge mistake. Oh yeah, teams should spend big money on pass rushers and cornerbacks. How well has that worked for the Ravens? Cornerbacks who can't cover and no pass rush. The Ravens should pay close attention to what Belichick does. He wins year after year because he isn't afraid to cut loose these guys who would cost his team big bucks.

[Halshayeji]

23 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

"While Williams will likely finish out his rookie contract in Baltimore, there will still be a very real question as to whether the Ravens can pay him enough to keep him in the purple and black beyond 2016."

Are we really going through that every single season? There's a player every season who's gonna be an UFA and we all know we won't be able to keep hium, because he's gonna be well outside our price range. That was the case with Grubbs, Ellerbe, McPhee, Torrey Smith and Osemele. And this is gonna be the same with Brandon Williams. He's gonna be way, way outside our price range. Ergo, trading him now would, indeed - proivded a third-round pick or better is what we get for him - be the most beneficial decision.

Unfortunately, it's not happening. It'll be great to have him for the rest of the season - but we'll get less for him in the summer.

B.Will is one of my fav Ravens on this current roster. I'd be heartbroken if he leaves but understand that it's a business and a salary cap limits you from keeping everyone you'd like. With that's said, each year's FA is different and each players situation is different.

worst case scenario, if B.Williams prices himself out then we get 3rd round a comp next year and get to keep him for another 8 games. That's why I don't think it would have been smart to trade him for a 3rd mid season.

your probably right. Every week he plays from now on decreases his chances of staying here long term. I really really hope I'm wrong.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, Fastynart said:

While I like Brandon Williams, signing him will not fix the Ravens problems. I hope a deal can be worked out, but mortgaging the team for him would be another huge mistake. Oh yeah, teams should spend big money on pass rushers and cornerbacks. How well has that worked for the Ravens? Cornerbacks who can't cover and no pass rush. The Ravens should pay close attention to what Belichick does. He wins year after year because he isn't afraid to cut loose these guys who would cost his team big bucks.

Your kind of right but also wrong at the same time. Belecheck trades away players when he feels that he's going to loose them but also I traded for 2-4 guys every year. Some pan out and others don't. It also helps when you have a HOF QB that willingly gets paid less than half his market value because he makes up for it in endorcements and his rich wife lol

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Imo, the whole problem with not being able to retain players for a 2nd contract is because the salary cap has not increased enough to match the increase in players salaries.

The NFL sets the salary base of good players annually with a value assigned to player positions under the franchise tag. If you use those 2016 values for 1 starting player at each position, you would have to spend $144.98m. That's 1 of each QB, RB, WR, OL, TE, DL, LB, CB, S and K. The salary cap for 2016 is only 155.2m.

How could that possibly work and still be able to field a team. It obviously can't and the NFL wants to understand why their ratings keep dropping. This is part of that reason.

If I'm not mistaken, the cap doesn't increase with the increase of player contracts. That's the franchise tag. The salary cap increases based on revenue generated by NFL teams as a whole. So theoretically speaking, if the ratings continue to fall as theyv been falling this year, the cap may not increase as much as the past 2 years.

[hen826957]

All l gotta say is when CJ Mosely rookie contract expires can we afford him or just let him walk just like everybody else? They need to keep some of thier star players and not just keep them for 4 years and let them walk and use a unproven draft pick player to replace him. Gotta somehow keep the good talent around your team.

[whobilly]

  17 hours ago, Crusader said:

  23 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 11:57 AM, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

  On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 10:08 AM, Ravensbest52 said:

  On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 10:03 AM, PurpleRainBlackVeins said:

Puzzling to me how they will let a player who has consistently played well and is hardly injured like B Williams walk and keep a brittle and inconsistent player like Webby around and pay him top dollar. I'm no GM but something has to change in the philosophy of who to keep and who to let walk.

agreed. We need to change our thinking in which we let our guys that produce walk and keep those that don't. Resigning wright was a mistake and could have used that money else where.

A huge mistake!! Idk what Ozzie's fascination is with underwhelming secondary players but it has to stop. Meanwhile he will let players like Boldin and Osemele walk right out that door smh.

Boldin & KO's contracts are/were bad deals. The Ravens got SSS for 1/3 of the cost of Boldin. Raiders will regret paying a Guard the price of the best LT in the game.

If BWill wants a Malik Jackson $90-100 million deal - let him walk.

There is a reason that the top teams in the league - Ravens, Pats, Squealers, Broncos - let their high price FA walk to bottom teams like Jags, Browns, Raiders, Redskins who overpay every year.

Bolden contract a bad deal? Glade you don't make those decision cause we seen what dropped touchdowns pass in the end zone cost the Ravens.

And we saw what happened to the 49ers after their bad deals for Boldin & Torrey.......Sure he was a solid WR but his contract was that of the best WRs in the league - he's not worth that. Again, we got SSS who put up as good numbers and as good clutch catches for a fraction of that price.

And we all saw Boldin drop that touchdown pass that hit him in the chest that lost us the play-off game against the Squealers.

https://youtu.be/a0fpONkw6yk?t=16

Boldin had 80 some receptions the first two seasons in SF and 69 was his "off" season with "only" 69 catches. He's making 2 mill this year with the Lions and will finish with close to 70. Torrey on the other hand is a mediocre dime a dozen receiver who had a nice run with us.

[whobilly]

If butler turns into another Jerry Rice or Q someone should be shown the door.

You don't have to worry about that.

[Halshayeji]

5 hours ago, hen826957 said:

All l gotta say is when CJ Mosely rookie contract expires can we afford him or just let him walk just like everybody else? They need to keep some of thier star players and not just keep them for 4 years and let them walk and use a unproven draft pick player to replace him. Gotta somehow keep the good talent around your team.

Wow great post!

Cj Mosley is a player that a franchise must keep at all costs. You free up cap if you have to. Even if it means a backloaded ballooned contract that forces a restructure or trade a few years down the road.

B.Williams is that kind of player.