2017 WR prospect thread

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/9/2017 at 10:31 AM, Jacquouille said:

I don't see Ford in the slot, he's the prototypical outside WR imo. I love his skill set though, would absolutely jump on him if he's there in the 3rd.

I was about to say. VT rarely ran Ford over the middle and never out of the slot. He was almost solely boundary.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I was about to say. VT rarely ran Ford over the middle and never out of the slot. He was almost solely boundary.

finally got around to watching ford some more, im surprised he didnt catch my attention when i took a quick look at him a few months ago.. 

im definitely a fan of this guy. he reminds me of stefon diggs. i love the spark that he plays with, hes just so jolty and sudden, no slacking in any of his movements. you can tell he understands the value of quality routes and really works on it. something im a fan of with wrs is the quick sudden steps right off the line, it keeps the db guessing and they cant jump routes that way and ford does it very well. his choppy steps on his breaks with the arm and shoulder jerks are great and it makes the db anchor down often and then he explodes away from the db. seems to have good hands as well and attacks the ball with tenacity, always pursuing the ball and never waiting on the ball. with better qb play i think he could be getting a lot of hype.

i very well might give him a high-mid 2nd round grade if i keep watching him.

Edited January 16 by JoeyFlex5

[ravensnation5220]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

finally got around to watching ford some more, im surprised he didnt catch my attention when i took a quick look at him a few months ago.. 

im definitely a fan of this guy. he reminds me of stefon diggs. i love the spark that he plays with, hes just so jolty and sudden, no slacking in any of his movements. you can tell he understands the value of quality routes and really works on it. something im a fan of with wrs is the quick sudden steps right off the line, it keeps the db guessing and they cant jump routes that way and ford does it very well. his choppy steps on his breaks with the arm and shoulder jerks are great and it makes the db anchor down often and then he explodes away from the db. seems to have good hands as well and attacks the ball with tenacity, always pursuing the ball and never waiting on the ball. with better qb play i think he could be getting a lot of hype.

i very well might give him a high-mid 2nd round grade if i keep watching him.

Ya he's a guy id really like for our 2nd pick if we don't address WR in FA. Very underrated and forgotten. He's got great tracking ability down the field to. I'm curious to see how fast he really is though

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya he's a guy id really like for our 2nd pick if we don't address WR in FA. Very underrated and forgotten. He's got great tracking ability down the field to. I'm curious to see how fast he really is though

he doesnt appear very fast but hes explosive as hell, hes got that one step burst and sudden stop and go that separates athletes from real wrs. hes really underrated and id like him here.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he doesnt appear very fast but hes explosive as hell, hes got that one step burst and sudden stop and go that separates athletes from real wrs. hes really underrated and id like him here.

See the question is if he can be a difference maker in this team. I feel as though press coverage would eliminate him. 

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

See the question is if he can be a difference maker in this team. I feel as though press coverage would eliminate him. 

What makes you say that because I see the exact opposite. Speed isn't how you beat press coverage, in fact the big and/or straight line speed receivers tend to struggle with it the most, look at Torrey smith and Mike Wallace. You beat press with good footwork on your release. Make them whiff on the initial jam and put the db in a recovery situation, which is something ford does well, ford is constantly cutting at the line and making dbs take a step back 

in short, speed makes dbs pay when they fail to press, but it doesn't beat press, you do that with hands and footwork

Edited January 16 by JoeyFlex5

[ravensnation5220]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What makes you say that because I see the exact opposite. Speed isn't how you beat press coverage, in fact the big and/or straight line speed receivers tend to struggle with it the most, look at Torrey smith and Mike Wallace. You beat press with good footwork on your release. Make them whiff on the initial jam and put the db in a recovery situation, which is something ford does well, ford is constantly cutting at the line and making dbs take a step back 

in short, speed makes dbs pay when they fail to press, but it doesn't beat press, you do that with hands and footwork

I never said speed beats press. I just think with his frame it's hard for him to get off press. Press is more of a hand fight and I don't think he has the functional strength yet. The best guy in the nfl at that is dez bryant. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I never said speed beats press. I just think with his frame it's hard for him to get off press. Press is more of a hand fight and I don't think he has the functional strength yet. The best guy in the nfl at that is dez bryant. 

Derrick mason was 5'10" 190 or less, he couldn't be pressed. Antonio brown is a smurf and he can't be pressed. Wes welker, Emmanuel sanders, Brandon cooks, Randall Cobb, all small guys with average to below average strength who beat press coverage all the time 

ford is very much in that mold. 

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Derrick mason was 5'10" 190 or less, he couldn't be pressed. Antonio brown is a smurf and he can't be pressed. Wes welker, Emmanuel sanders, Brandon cooks, Randall Cobb, all small guys with average to below average strength who beat press coverage all the time 

ford is very much in that mold. 

Idk about Cobb. That seems to be a consistent issue for green bay. Sanders too I never really watched the others play but mason 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Idk about Cobb. That seems to be a consistent issue for green bay. Sanders too I never really watched the others play but mason 

well cobb was a premier slot guy before he began getting injured every few weeks, sanders has been one of the better possession receivers league wide since he went to denver. a key trait for slot receivers is being able to gain quick separation, so dbs are pressing them constantly to try to prevent that, so beating press is an absolute necessity for these guys. 

i dont see ford as a slot receiver, but i do see a guy who can beat press like one.

[Jacquouille]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he doesnt appear very fast but hes explosive as hell, hes got that one step burst and sudden stop and go that separates athletes from real wrs. hes really underrated and id like him here.

That's how I would think of him as well. Reminds me of Allen Hurns quite a bit.

[JoeyFlex5]

18 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

That's how I would think of him as well. Reminds me of Allen Hurns quite a bit.

I say stefon diggs but I could see that comparison.

[Purple_City39]

On 1/15/2017 at 5:41 PM, arnie_uk said:

Think Corey Davis is probably the best wr in the class but will go 2nd to Williams. Think he'll be a stud.

Pity we only want a complimentary wideout and not a go to guy

I've been feeling this way also. 

[ravensnation5220]

Jalen Robinette WR Airforce 

959 yards receiving......on 35 catches. That's 27.4 yards a pop folks. Kids 6-4 215, seems pretty fast is tough and fights for yards after contact. Good day 3 prospect who I think would be worth the flier. He has some traits you like as a receiver. 

Draftbreakdown has all 12 games of his 2016 however the 2 most worth watching are his games vs Navy and New Mexico. It'll give you a good feel of what he could bring to the table

[Davesta]

On 1/15/2017 at 2:41 PM, arnie_uk said:

Think Corey Davis is probably the best wr in the class but will go 2nd to Williams. Think he'll be a stud.

Pity we only want a complimentary wideout and not a go to guy

I hope we get him somehow. We just witness Julio balling out. It's time to give flacco a true weapon. 6'3 with 4.4-4.5 speed, hands and route running? If he's on the board and we don't draft him, I think it will be more disappointing than cowboys selecting dez right before us. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Davesta said:

I hope we get him somehow. We just witness Julio balling out. It's time to give flacco a true weapon. 6'3 with 4.4-4.5 speed, hands and route running? If he's on the board and we don't draft him, I think it will be more disappointing than cowboys selecting dez right before us. 

I think we're gonna have a hard time passing on the corners and edge rushers. I'd be far more upset to see us pass on say a marshon lattimore for Corey Davis. I think I'd also take q Wilson and Charles Harris as well. 

And I LOVE Corey Davis as a prospect. He reminds me of jordy Nelson but even better at contested catches.

[Purple_City39]

Lattimore does have ridiculous recovery speed, and is probably the most NFL ready CB, but I can't say I'd be upset at the team drafting Davis over him.  The old adage of defense winning championships is still true overall imo, but in 2 weeks we'll have an offensive superbowl.  Not to mention having a highly paid QB but not giving him the weapons to succeed.  Plus I'd be surprised if Lattimore is there at 16

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

Lattimore does have ridiculous recovery speed, and is probably the most NFL ready CB, but I can't say I'd be upset at the team drafting Davis over him.  The old adage of defense winning championships is still true overall imo, but in 2 weeks we'll have an offensive superbowl.  Not to mention having a highly paid QB but not giving him the weapons to succeed.  Plus I'd be surprised if Lattimore is there at 16

With jimmy and lattimore Julio would have nowhere to go for a mismatch. 

Our run defense would shut down their run game assuming we aren't in late season meltdown mode. 

Davis wouldn't nullify their pass rush.

[VermontRaven]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

With jimmy and lattimore Julio would have nowhere to go for a mismatch. 

Our run defense would shut down their run game assuming we aren't in late season meltdown mode. 

Davis wouldn't nullify their pass rush.

I agree with you.  I really want us to focus on the secondary.  Yes, a good pass rush is very helpful, but we saw the difference in our D with and without Jimmy.  In my ideal world, we get 1 of the top-notch corners (Lattimore, Wilson, Jones, etc...haven't analyzed them to know who I prefer), then Desmond King slips to our second pick (I suspect his combine numbers will not blow anybody away, but love his playmaking ability)  I think King could play either CB or FS (could be a replacement for Webb down the line or this year if the FO is ready to move on...but I hope they keep Webb)  Secondary is the number one thing that has been holding this defense back the last several years, and I think this might be the draft to "double-down" on secondary.

[Davesta]

we had the top rated defense for the first 10 or so weeks, and we weren't winning because of offense. I understand we need another corner for jimmy smith insurance, but a true #1 WR weapon would greatly help as well.  So it goes both ways. 

[JoeyFlex5]

46 minutes ago, Davesta said:

we had the top rated defense for the first 10 or so weeks, and we weren't winning because of offense. I understand we need another corner for jimmy smith insurance, but a true #1 WR weapon would greatly help as well.  So it goes both ways. 

For years now we have been in position to win big games and the most common cause of a loss has been defensive meltdowns late or dropped passes.

it could go either way, but I am all about depth in the secondary and winning defensively

[allblackraven]

49 minutes ago, Davesta said:

we had the top rated defense for the first 10 or so weeks, and we weren't winning because of offense. I understand we need another corner for jimmy smith insurance, but a true #1 WR weapon would greatly help as well.  So it goes both ways. 

We need WR because we lost Smith Sr and most likely Aiken. #1 is not easy to find unless you commit to finding one by moving up in draft or paying premium in FA if there is one available in FA. I don't know if the Ravens are ever going to do the former for WR and they are definitely never going the latter route.

[ravensnj]

I would love to have Corey Davis, but, I feel we are going corner in the first. So, I like Chris Godwin out of Penn State as a complementary receiver, strong possession type guy. Now with Orr retiring, we might be pressed to go defense with the first 3 pics and Godwin could be there in the 4th or 5th. Solid, great hands, but unspectacular in the speed department.

[rossihunter2]

Who would you guys say is the 3rd wide receiver in this class behind Davis and Williams? Will any of them go in the 1st as well?

[Drew P]

16 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Who would you guys say is the 3rd wide receiver in this class behind Davis and Williams? Will any of them go in the 1st as well?

Ross from UW probably but he's a deep guy and not a go across the middle SSS WR...I'd say JuJu is that type of player.

[Drew P]

18 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I would love to have Corey Davis, but, I feel we are going corner in the first. So, I like Chris Godwin out of Penn State as a complementary receiver, strong possession type guy. Now with Orr retiring, we might be pressed to go defense with the first 3 pics and Godwin could be there in the 4th or 5th. Solid, great hands, but unspectacular in the speed department.

No Doubt at least he can catch though lol..I like Carlos Henderson in that same mold as Godwin

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Who would you guys say is the 3rd wide receiver in this class behind Davis and Williams? Will any of them go in the 1st as well?

i personally think evan engram makes a better receiver and i like him the most after those 2, my board has john ross 3rd but thats only because a team would have to commit to him as a WR for me to place him higher and i dont like him as a TE. 

also, i think isaiah ford is incredibly underrated. hes probably the twitchiest and niftiest route runner in the class.

[ravensnj]

Unfortunately, I can't see us drafting a Wr in the early rounds. So, I'm looking at the later rounds where we can land someone like Amba Etta-Tawo from Syracuse. Guys with hands and can fight for the ball.

[Deflated Football]

Any comparisons for Mike Williams? I'm seeing Plaxico and Mike Evans so far. 

[RaineV1]

36 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Any comparisons for Mike Williams? I'm seeing Plaxico and Mike Evans so far. 

I think Larry Fitzgerald is a good comparison. They're about the same size and have similar playstyles.