2017 WR prospect thread

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, RaineV1 said:

I think between Davis and Williams, I have to go with Williams. Williams can do just about everything Davis can, but can also stretch the field on top of that. While Davis can make the occasional big catch downfield, it's not something you want to use him for often.

I think why I prefer Williams is when I think back to our 2012 playoff run when Joe was unstoppable you had:

2 big play threats in Torrey and Jacoby that stretched the field consistently and were a threat to break away on any play. 

Then he had Boldin and Pitta who he went to when we needed the crucial 3rd down conversion, TD or to get in FG range... and he was hitting them when tightly covered. You could tell he just had the confidence that as long as he put it in the window they were coming down with it. 

Pittas lost a step but he still has a bit of that in the short to intermediate passing game. 

 

What i see missing is the guy that can do that on the 10-15 yd routes. When it's 3rd and 9 who will tell Joe count to 3 and then just put it in my area - I'll get it. Or in the red zone just put air under it and he'll come down with it  

I'm confident Williams can be that guy. And I'm confident that's what Joe needs to take his game back up to that next level (outside of OL play, run game).

[Jonah DeVito]

Williams is probably one of my two favorites for the Ravens, along with Barnett, but I just don't see MW falling to us. 

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

And he still had one of his worst games 3 games of the season against Wisconsin.

In the box score I agree but he won routes where he wasnt targeted quite often - I guess you can't call it domination unless the guys make the catches but he flat out destroyed Shelton at times and you can criticise Shelton's height/stride but this is a guy who will play in the NFL and you can only play who's in front of you - I wish he'd played more better competition but we can only assess what's actually on tape - I would have liked to see him play Florida / Ohio / LSU / Alabama in his senior year just to see what he could do but we'll never know

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

In the box score I agree but he won routes where he wasnt targeted quite often - I guess you can't call it domination unless the guys make the catches but he flat out destroyed Shelton at times and you can criticise Shelton's height/stride but this is a guy who will play in the NFL and you can only play who's in front of you - I wish he'd played more better competition but we can only assess what's actually on tape - I would have liked to see him play Florida / Ohio / LSU / Alabama in his senior year just to see what he could do but we'll never know

Yea he'll prob play in the NFL but it's a huge mismatch. A 6'3" 210lb guy should dominate a 5'9" 170lb guy all day. With that matchup I would've expected them to be able to just throw the ball in his direction and let him go get it. 

Thats my only point in saying I don't value it much. Even in the NFL if Davis was matched up against someone talented but that size, yes, I'm 100% confident he could be very successful. 

But that won't happen. He'll be facing bigger, more athletic and just as if not more talented players. And that's just what I haven't seen from him yet. The skill set and traits seem to project he can be successful but I'm just not as confident bc I haven't seen it. Whereas with Williams I have. 

[juanman7]

Just saying this but I haven't seen this point brought up too often. Mike Wallace's option was picked up, but if I understand his contract correctly he will be a UFA next offseason. This is another reason i see WR as a round 1, or round 2, addition to get a top guy who can develop to replace Wallace. If we don't get a top receiver this year we might be looking for two in next year's draft which I don't think the FO wants to do. 

[Jonah DeVito]

What is Darreus Rogers being viewed as now? A 7th round pick? I'd take Rogers in the 7th all day long, he could be a really good possession reciever. Boldin 2.0

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

What is Darreus Rogers being viewed as now? A 7th round pick? I'd take Rogers in the 7th all day long, he could be a really good possession reciever. Boldin 2.0

After what looks to have been an awful 40 at his pro day, probably undrafted.  That's slow for a TE, let alone a WR.  For a guy that can't run routes that well, there's not much value there.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

23 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

What is Darreus Rogers being viewed as now? A 7th round pick? I'd take Rogers in the 7th all day long, he could be a really good possession reciever. Boldin 2.0

We dont have a 7th rd pick, so yea, if we get any player in the 7th round ill take him. Free player.

 

[Jonah DeVito]

6 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We dont have a 7th rd pick, so yea, if we get any player in the 7th round ill take him. Free player.

 

Never said we had a 7th, I said I'd take him in the 7th. So yea. 

[Jacquouille]

6 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

We dont have a 7th rd pick, so yea, if we get any player in the 7th round ill take him. Free player.

 

We traded for the pick that got us Campanaro didn't we?

Edited March 29 by Jacquouille

[SepticeyePoe]

4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

We traded for the pick that got us Campanaro didn't we?

Yep, the Ravens traded a 6th to the Browns to get him.

[JoeyFlex5]

Charlie's been mocking Curtis Samuel to us in the 2nd. Can't say I'd hate it, Samuel could be a really special player, personally I like him more than mcaffrey who's in a similar mold, I think Samuel is much more of a wr than mcaffrey, mcaffrey looks better as a rb though. 

Samuel is a guy that I think Greg roman could do a lot with if he's given enough input to the offense

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Charlie's been mocking Curtis Samuel to us in the 2nd. Can't say I'd hate it, Samuel could be a really special player, personally I like him more than mcaffrey who's in a similar mold, I think Samuel is much more of a wr than mcaffrey, mcaffrey looks better as a rb though. 

Samuel is a guy that I think Greg roman could do a lot with if he's given enough input to the offense

idk... hes an exciting player but idk that i trust us to get the most out of him. If you can manufacture touches in space for him, he can certainly be dangerous for you -- a la Percy Harvin or Patterson. Screens, (jet) sweeps, quick slants and things like that.... but i feel like we've always been bad at executing those types of plays.

Hes a player you have to have a role for, you're going to have to build a package for him and make sure he gets those 5-10 manufactured touches a game... especially if you take him that high, because i dont know how much he's going to create for himself within the context of your offense.

You're not going to line him up as a RB more than a handful of plays. Hes more of a WR than RB, but i dont see a very good route runner or hands. 

Kind of a gadget guy that can help on returns and produce some big plays on ST and in your offense-- but its something you have to have a vision for in advance, and commit to using for that investment to pay off. I just dont trust our coaching staff or offensive design to get a return on that investment.

 

But, if we did he could certainly be an exciting player. just would prefer taking that sort of chance later on in the draft with the more conventional playmakers that should be available in the 2nd.

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

idk... hes an exciting player but idk that i trust us to get the most out of him. If you can manufacture touches in space for him, he can certainly be dangerous for you -- a la Percy Harvin or Patterson. Screens, (jet) sweeps, quick slants and things like that.... but i feel like we've always been bad at executing those types of plays.

Hes a player you have to have a role for, you're going to have to build a package for him and make sure he gets those 5-10 manufactured touches a game... especially if you take him that high, because i dont know how much he's going to create for himself within the context of your offense.

You're not going to line him up as a RB more than a handful of plays. Hes more of a WR than RB, but i dont see a very good route runner or hands. 

Kind of a gadget guy that can help on returns and produce some big plays on ST and in your offense-- but its something you have to have a vision for in advance, and commit to using for that investment to pay off. I just dont trust our coaching staff or offensive design to get a return on that investment.

 

But, if we did he could certainly be an exciting player. just would prefer taking that sort of chance later on in the draft with the more conventional playmakers that should be available in the 2nd.

I think Greg roman is a guy who can manufacture touches for him, but either way I think he could actually develop into a really nice receiver 

[PurpleHorseman]

I'm guessing Calvin Ridley isn't eligible to come out in this draft? The dude is bittersweet! One of my favorite college players ever. Skills similar to Torrey Holt and Chad Johnson. I would trade picks to move up and get him. Chris Moore has similar skills but isn't quite that good.

Edited April 2 by PurpleHorseman

[Cillmatic]

Think I'm officially on the Corey Davis bandwagon. This guy would give us a monster.

[mc_red23]

7 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I'm guessing Calvin Ridley isn't eligible to come out in this draft? The dude is bittersweet! One of my favorite college players ever. Skills similar to Torrey Holt and Chad Johnson. I would trade picks to move up and get him. Chris Moore has similar skills but isn't quite that good.

He'll be eligible for next year's draft I think.

[jazz1988]

On 3/30/2017 at 11:18 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

idk... hes an exciting player but idk that i trust us to get the most out of him. If you can manufacture touches in space for him, he can certainly be dangerous for you -- a la Percy Harvin or Patterson. Screens, (jet) sweeps, quick slants and things like that.... but i feel like we've always been bad at executing those types of plays.

Hes a player you have to have a role for, you're going to have to build a package for him and make sure he gets those 5-10 manufactured touches a game... especially if you take him that high, because i dont know how much he's going to create for himself within the context of your offense.

You're not going to line him up as a RB more than a handful of plays. Hes more of a WR than RB, but i dont see a very good route runner or hands. 

Kind of a gadget guy that can help on returns and produce some big plays on ST and in your offense-- but its something you have to have a vision for in advance, and commit to using for that investment to pay off. I just dont trust our coaching staff or offensive design to get a return on that investment.

 

But, if we did he could certainly be an exciting player. just would prefer taking that sort of chance later on in the draft with the more conventional playmakers that should be available in the 2nd.

  Percy Harvin  wasn't able to stay healthy for most of the season in 2014 but I'm not  entire sure if Marty M would be totally lost or incapable of using a guy like  Curtis Samuiel  since  Harvin played in his offense as a New York Jet . From  the highlights I seen from Harvin in 2014 it seem like he was being used in many creative ways to his strength in Marty M offense.

[BmoreBird22]

Mike Williams is visiting or has visited  the Browns (12), Eagles (14), Ravens (16), and Titans (18).

This, to me, suggests very much that Williams may end up a Raven.

[RaineV1]

43 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Mike Williams is visiting or has visited  the Browns (12), Eagles (14), Ravens (16), and Titans (18).

This, to me, suggests very much that Williams may end up a Raven.

If he's on the board at 16, I think its a no brainer to take him.

[Ravenskid52752]

 

Mike Garafolo‏ @MikeGarafolo

 

Clemson WR Mike Williams is visiting the Ravens today, source says. Baltimore looking at the top WR options.

 

 

Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter

 

A match that would make sense on many levels: Washington WR John Ross is visiting the Ravens today.

I guess it's WR day for the ravens

[JoeyFlex5]

I think with its Very possible that we want to use our original third to trade up for mike Williams. 

I don't just think it's possible, I think it might be our game plan

[rossihunter2]

either really subtle misdirection here or some really honest opinions but decosta really talked up mike williams and john ross and then kind of downplayed the idea of taking corey davis (lumped in juju as well) - could be that they just dont see davis in the same ball park as williams or they want teams to think they dont think so highly of him

[RaineV1]

30 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

either really subtle misdirection here or some really honest opinions but decosta really talked up mike williams and john ross and then kind of downplayed the idea of taking corey davis (lumped in juju as well) - could be that they just dont see davis in the same ball park as williams or they want teams to think they dont think so highly of him

I guess the Ravens are looking for a more dynamic playmaker. I like Davis, but he's not that guy. He's not the guy that can effective attack every level of the defense, like Williams and possibly Ross can.

[PurpleHorseman]

On 4/5/2017 at 1:04 PM, RaineV1 said:

I guess the Ravens are looking for a more dynamic playmaker. I like Davis, but he's not that guy. He's not the guy that can effective attack every level of the defense, like Williams and possibly Ross can.

Say what?? Davis can win on multiple platforms that include every level. He runs sudden routes for early separation if needed. He can separate intermediate level and make a play on the ball if needed. And he has shown breakaway speed after the catch. He has speed to get deep and make plays on the ball if necessary. At 6'3 1/2 216lbs he runs sharp sudden routes like a 6'0 195lb receiver.

He is similar to Amari Cooper in precision. And can be a contested ball winner if necessary. He hasn't the amount of contested catches of mike Williams because he doesn't need to very often. He gets separation with suddenness and precision. He looked like a college boy playing with Highschool kids. He should be the No.2 catcher off the board behind Howard. We better find a legit young receiver/TE. Wallace is 31 and not known for precision to extend his production into his 30's.

And last couple drafts has sent bigger faster corn. erbacks and cover safety's. And this could be the best draft ever for the cornerback position. Multiple Top end No.2 and even NO.1 cornerbacks are going to come out of round3 and round4 in this draft. So the bar is being raised for receivers and TE's. Not to mention the NFL is moving toward smaller coverage linebackers and even big safety's being converted to linebackers that can cover Zones that receivers normally don't have to account for. 

I took some heat for throwing out the idea of trading our round1 pick for a tackle/guard I believe will be a top5 offensive lineman in the league. The most effective way to counter the better coverage is a dominating offensive line. Allowing the receivers backs and TE's to uncover. To spring the run game and make defenses respect it. Which will help the players doing the catching to have space to get open. I'm not saying we should trade that pick for an offensive lineman because of this being a weak draft for that position. But I do think it is important to place priority on the offensive line. And not only serviceable offensive lineman, but dominant offensive lineman that will allow run game,WR's TE's and receiving backs to do their best stuff.

[trevorsteadman]

3 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Say what?? Davis can win on multiple platforms that include every level. He runs sudden routes for early separation if needed. He can separate intermediate level and make a play on the ball if needed. And he has shown breakaway speed after the catch. He has speed to get deep and make plays on the ball if necessary. At 6'3 1/2 216lbs he runs sharp sudden routes like a 6'0 195lb receiver.

He is similar to Amari Cooper in precision. And can be a contested ball winner if necessary. He hasn't the amount of contested catches of mike Williams because he doesn't need to very often. He gets separation with suddenness and precision. He looked like a college boy playing with Highschool kids. He should be the No.2 catcher off the board behind Howard. We better find a legit young receiver/TE. Wallace is 31 and not known for precision to extend his production into his 30's.

And last couple drafts has sent bigger faster corn. erbacks and cover safety's. And this could be the best draft ever for the cornerback position. Multiple Top end No.2 and even NO.1 cornerbacks are going to come out of round3 and round4 in this draft. So the bar is being raised for receivers and TE's. Not to mention the NFL is moving toward smaller coverage linebackers and even big safety's being converted to linebackers that can cover Zones that receivers normally don't have to account for. 

I took some heat for throwing out the idea of trading our round1 pick for a tackle/guard I believe will be a top5 offensive lineman in the league. The most effective way to counter the better coverage is a dominating offensive line. Allowing the receivers backs and TE's to uncover. To spring the run game and make defenses respect it. Which will help the players doing the catching to have space to get open. I'm not saying we should trade that pick for an offensive lineman because of this being a weak draft for that position. But I do think it is important to place priority on the offensive line. And not only serviceable offensive lineman, but dominant offensive lineman that will allow run game,WR's TE's and receiving backs to do their best stuff.

I think the best thing about Corey Davis is his break away speed. On a lot of tape he catches the ball near a defender and 1 second later he has a 3 or 4 yard lead on a person. I know it was against smaller conference corners, but I do think he has the raw ability. I think his ceiling is higher than Mike Williams, but I think Mike Williams has a lot higher floor which is what this team might need just because he is more NFL ready and this team has been pretty terrible developing wide receivers. 

Mike Williams catches the ball better and plucks the ball out of the air which I would like to see Davis do more of. I think both fit this team to a T. I think only one or the other will be there at #16 so the team may not get to choose from the two but I do think that they need to invest at least 2 of the 3 early picks of this year's draft into offense. FA has been helping the defense but the offense has only lost besides the Danny Woodhead addition.

The defense looks just as good this year if not better as long as the injury bug doesn't strike. There needs to be more youth injected into the team but we can safely assume the defense will likely be a top 10 this year. The team needs to add to offensive line which I think a veteran like Ducasse gets signed later in the process post June and likely another young guy added to the o-line to give 3 really young players and 2 vets. The Ravens need to get a playmaker on offense and I think Davis, Williams, and even Howard would be all great fits.

I think the offense will be slightly better next year just because #1 it is the same OC (even though at is what I said last year, hopefully they build an offense that actually fits the quarterback and team this year, the strongest quarterback in the NFL throwing screens to a 37 year old off an achilles tear 4/5 plays is not an offense the team should ever run). I think Flacco now having a year under his belt from his injury will come back better and he seemed to be progressively playing better as the season went on, as so the rest of the offense did. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think the best thing about Corey Davis is his break away speed. On a lot of tape he catches the ball near a defender and 1 second later he has a 3 or 4 yard lead on a person. I know it was against smaller conference corners, but I do think he has the raw ability. I think his ceiling is higher than Mike Williams, but I think Mike Williams has a lot higher floor which is what this team might need just because he is more NFL ready and this team has been pretty terrible developing wide receivers. 

Mike Williams catches the ball better and plucks the ball out of the air which I would like to see Davis do more of. I think both fit this team to a T. I think only one or the other will be there at #16 so the team may not get to choose from the two but I do think that they need to invest at least 2 of the 3 early picks of this year's draft into offense. FA has been helping the defense but the offense has only lost besides the Danny Woodhead addition.

The defense looks just as good this year if not better as long as the injury bug doesn't strike. There needs to be more youth injected into the team but we can safely assume the defense will likely be a top 10 this year. The team needs to add to offensive line which I think a veteran like Ducasse gets signed later in the process post June and likely another young guy added to the o-line to give 3 really young players and 2 vets. The Ravens need to get a playmaker on offense and I think Davis, Williams, and even Howard would be all great fits.

I think the offense will be slightly better next year just because #1 it is the same OC (even though at is what I said last year, hopefully they build an offense that actually fits the quarterback and team this year, the strongest quarterback in the NFL throwing screens to a 37 year old off an achilles tear 4/5 plays is not an offense the team should ever run). I think Flacco now having a year under his belt from his injury will come back better and he seemed to be progressively playing better as the season went on, as so the rest of the offense did. 

I agree the Offense needs a talent infusion, especially on the OL... but im not a fan of saying we need to dedicate X picks to the offense.

Its a stacked defensive draft.... i dont want to pass up on a stud defender, for a pretty good RT just bc we need one. If need and BPA line up, as always, win win. Otherwise, we just need to draft as many playmakers/franchise type players as we can. Period.

If we end up signing Mangold, i think all we really need is either a LG/RT to compete. Sure, a young talented WR, C, RT all would be nice, but pass rusher is def just as big and CB, DT/DE, ILB and S could all be just as big within the next year or two.

[trevorsteadman]

35 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I agree the Offense needs a talent infusion, especially on the OL... but im not a fan of saying we need to dedicate X picks to the offense.

Its a stacked defensive draft.... i dont want to pass up on a stud defender, for a pretty good RT just bc we need one. If need and BPA line up, as always, win win. Otherwise, we just need to draft as many playmakers/franchise type players as we can. Period.

If we end up signing Mangold, i think all we really need is either a LG/RT to compete. Sure, a young talented WR, C, RT all would be nice, but pass rusher is def just as big and CB, DT/DE, ILB and S could all be just as big within the next year or two.

No and I agree I don't want to say a certain amount of picks should go to either side of the ball. But at the same time the offense needs help and I think it will be via the draft. There are so many young mid round picks already invested in the defense I could see them changing to the other side of the ball. Let's just hope that Moore, Dixon, and others improve from last season. 

If the board falls and we get all defense so be it. But I do pray for the day to come that the team helps out the offense somehow. 

[Edgar]

On 4/5/2017 at 0:29 PM, rossihunter2 said:

either really subtle misdirection here or some really honest opinions but decosta really talked up mike williams and john ross and then kind of downplayed the idea of taking corey davis (lumped in juju as well) - could be that they just dont see davis in the same ball park as williams or they want teams to think they dont think so highly of him

Corey Davis is my favorite receiver in the draft. Puzzling that DeCosta downplayed his selection a little.

If I'm guessing it's a pretty transparent omission.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

45 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

No and I agree I don't want to say a certain amount of picks should go to either side of the ball. But at the same time the offense needs help and I think it will be via the draft. There are so many young mid round picks already invested in the defense I could see them changing to the other side of the ball. Let's just hope that Moore, Dixon, and others improve from last season. 

If the board falls and we get all defense so be it. But I do pray for the day to come that the team helps out the offense somehow. 

Yea, im kind of the same way. Id be ecstatic if Mike Williams was there for us.... or someone like Cam, Ram, Bolles, Dawkins or Feeney would be there in the 2nd however unlikely.

Really like Juju, Zay, Kupp and Godwin as 2nd/3rd options. Elflein, Jordan Morgan, Toth as mid/late picks. 

I wouldnt hate Fournette or Oj Howard in the 1st. Corey Davis wouldnt be bad consolation prize.

 

BUT... not passing up Barnett, Foster, Lattimore, Hooker, etc... to draft them. My point was simply, no matter how bad the needs on offense look; i wouldnt pass up a superior defensive talent to grab a player on O.

I would, however, be very happy though if we can hit WR, LG/RT, pass rush and CB with our top 4 picks.