2017 WR prospect thread

[ravensnation5220]

On 2/17/2017 at 10:22 AM, jboy19 said:

I've been seeing a lot of buzz about Jalen Robinette (Air Force) on Twitter lately. Personally, I'm having some trouble seeing him as anything more than an average vertical threat with some talent for contested catches. But I was curious if any of you have spent some time looking at him? 

Draft breakdown has every video you could ask of him lol. He has a great catch radius, long strider and gets a lot of deep balls. I think he averaged like 27 yds per catch. Really interesting prospect. He played in a triple offense so his touches are low but he's done a lot with them. Hes a good day 3 pick

[ravensnation5220]

On 2/20/2017 at 0:04 PM, Willbacker said:

Just watched a vid and man can the dude catch in traffic and definitely see the comparison to Boldin. Only problem I noticed is he doesn't get initial separation but coverage is tight in the NFL anyways.

Ya I liked what I saw from him but the lack of separation and lack of production will keep him from getting drafted early. Solid day 3 option in my eyes. 

[Wildabeast88]

Well Zay Jones just ran a 4.4 he will be gone by the 2nd round. Kupp ran a 4.6 so maybe he will slip some.

[PurpleHorseman]

4 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Well Zay Jones just ran a 4.4 he will be gone by the 2nd round. Kupp ran a 4.6 so maybe he will slip some.

I never did like Cooper to much. Always felt like he was a pretender. 

[Wildabeast88]

45 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I never did like Cooper to much. Always felt like he was a pretender. 

He is a solid route runner who uses his body well and uses his body to get separation and has solid hands but I wish he was slightly faster

[raven94]

I think Kupp will be a good receiver. After measurements yesterday though I started to like Juju Smith again. I'm curious to see how he runs. I've known for a while now that the guy blocks like very few receivers can or are willing to, and he's got massive mitts and long arms. With some coaching he could become a terrific football player. I like him, and the Chris Godwin ran the 40 and that made me like Godwin even more. I'd take either or both if possible without ignoring CB and PR

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I never did like Cooper to much. Always felt like he was a pretender. 

i dont agree on the pretender stuff lol but i never liked him as much as some did in the first place

[Wildabeast88]

58 minutes ago, raven94 said:

I think Kupp will be a good receiver. After measurements yesterday though I started to like Juju Smith again. I'm curious to see how he runs. I've known for a while now that the guy blocks like very few receivers can or are willing to, and he's got massive mitts and long arms. With some coaching he could become a terrific football player. I like him, and the Chris Godwin ran the 40 and that made me like Godwin even more. I'd take either or both if possible without ignoring CB and PR

My thing is we have speed in Wallace and BP I want a sure handed big bodied WR I prefer Jones or Kupp but I don't think Jones makes it past the 2nd round.

[RaineV1]

Curtis Samuel also did really well at the 40. He's another guy that could really boost his stock by performing well at this and other tests.

[Jacquouille]

Glad that Juju ran a sub 4.55. Really still love this guy even though he lost a lot of steam during the season.

Edited March 4 by Jacquouille

[PurpleHorseman]

11 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Glad that Juju ran a sub 4.55. Really still love this guy even though he lost a lot of steam during the season.

I like JuJu. He ran 4.52 and plays fast. He never hears down. He snatches in stride and runs with purpose after the catch. One of my favorite players in this draft. He the burst and fluid shiftiness to get open intermediate. He plays like a young Bolden. When he puts the pads on he runs his 4.52 in pads. I would like to pick him up round2 maybe3. He would be a steal if we land him in round3. He can get us the first downs in chunks. His play style is reminiscent of many players. Boldin maybe even a bigger stronger more explosive Jarvis Landry. One of the players I will root for to play well even if we don't draft.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I like JuJu. He ran 4.52 and plays fast. He never hears down. He snatches in stride and runs with purpose after the catch. One of my favorite players in this draft. He the burst and fluid shiftiness to get open intermediate. He plays like a young Bolden. When he puts the pads on he runs his 4.52 in pads. I would like to pick him up round2 maybe3. He would be a steal if we land him in round3. He can get us the first downs in chunks. His play style is reminiscent of many players. Boldin maybe even a bigger stronger more explosive Jarvis Landry. One of the players I will root for to play well even if we don't draft.

When I see him I see SSS and Baldwin, only he's bigger but raw. I think he demands a lot of targets, and he'll be a better pro than college player.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 3/4/2017 at 9:59 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

I never did like Cooper to much. Always felt like he was a pretender. 

Cooper Kupp is going to be a very good NFL receiver. 

Hes #1 WR for SSS. I trust his eye. 

He seperates with great route running, has insane body control, he boxes out, finds soft spots in zones... and catches everything. 

Hes not going to be a dominant outside guy. But I think he'll be a lethal possession receiver that can beat you down the seam for big plays. 

[trevorsteadman]

51 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Cooper Kupp is going to be a very good NFL receiver. 

Hes #1 WR for SSS. I trust his eye. 

He seperates with great route running, has insane body control, he boxes out, finds soft spots in zones... and catches everything. 

Hes not going to be a dominant outside guy. But I think he'll be a lethal possession receiver that can beat you down the seam for big plays. 

I would agree. Kupp doesn't win with speed. But he has great route running, he knows how to get the ball int he air, and knows where zones are. That is why he was the most productive WR to come out of college. You can look at the 4.6 40 and put more weight on it if you wanted, but that was never his playstyle. I would put my money over most receivers in this draft. If we somehow got him in the 2nd round I would be ecstatic. Unfortunately I don't think he lasts that long.

[rossihunter2]

22 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would agree. Kupp doesn't win with speed. But he has great route running, he knows how to get the ball int he air, and knows where zones are. That is why he was the most productive WR to come out of college. You can look at the 4.6 40 and put more weight on it if you wanted, but that was never his playstyle. I would put my money over most receivers in this draft. If we somehow got him in the 2nd round I would be ecstatic. Unfortunately I don't think he lasts that long.

i disagree about his route running - he's very one dimensional and predictable in his route running, his stems are all very similar, he doesn't set defenders up the way he could and he doesn't have the speed to get away with not winning the route early on, he was better running routes in zone coverage but again he was never particularly creative, a lot of his film looks like him just being bigger and out-leveraging defenders, boxing them out or extending - he's a 2nd rounder for someone but I don't think I'd want him for the ravens

[Lightlock]

Is John Ross not on anyone's radar after that record setting 40?  Or are these other WRs just all around better ?

[RaineV1]

20 minutes ago, Lightlock said:

Is John Ross not on anyone's radar after that record setting 40?  Or are these other WRs just all around better ?

I think for the Ravens the other two top receivers would just be a much better fit if we go WR in the first. We got plenty of speed on the outside already.

[DomMcRaven]

19 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think for the Ravens the other two top receivers would just be a much better fit if we go WR in the first. We got plenty of speed on the outside already.

Is he a better route runner than Wallace and Perriman? Could he be a speedy possession WR?

[RaineV1]

37 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Is he a better route runner than Wallace and Perriman? Could he be a speedy possession WR?

His route running is really good, but the big, athletic type of WR just seems like a better fit for Flacco, someone like Davis or Williams. Though if the Ravens did get him, he probably would be a slot guy unless Wallace got moved inside.

[CalvinSmoke]

I really think we take Corey Davis in the first man...  I'm kind of getting excited at the thought (I try not to do this pre-draft but I can't help it)

Who would play the slot between Wallace, Perriman and Corey though? I'd assume it would be Wallace.

[DomMcRaven]

28 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

His route running is really good, but the big, athletic type of WR just seems like a better fit for Flacco, someone like Davis or Williams. Though if the Ravens did get him, he probably would be a slot guy unless Wallace got moved inside.

And that's where I was getting at. He seems like he'd be deadly in the slot. 

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

I really think we take Corey Davis in the first man...  I'm kind of getting excited at the thought (I try not to do this pre-draft but I can't help it)

Who would play the slot between Wallace, Perriman and Corey though? I'd assume it would be Wallace.

I think Davis would be the best fit. He is a better route runner than anyone on the team and probably has better hands as well. His ability to gain quick separation in 1 on 1 matchups would make him very available to flacco and those are the guys you want playing as close to the qb as possible. Quick separation works best when the ball doesn't have to travel far. 

Receivers who run excellent routes can win their 1 on 1 matchups much faster than a guy who needs to outrun the db. 

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

Is he a better route runner than Wallace and Perriman? Could he be a speedy possession WR?

Too injury prone.

[Dubs]

13 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

His route running is really good, but the big, athletic type of WR just seems like a better fit for Flacco, someone like Davis or Williams. Though if the Ravens did get him, he probably would be a slot guy unless Wallace got moved inside.

Not sure Flacco has really shown any preference for bigger guys over smaller guys. One could argue that SSS and Derrick Mason were two of his favourite targets over the years. Obviously he has done well with Pitta and Boldin too who are bigger. And decent with guys like Mike Wallace and Torrey Smith. In all of that I would say it seems like his best fit are reliable guys who catch and give him a target--you could argue all are pretty good route runners too...SSS, Mason, Boldin and Pitta all do that just in different ways, some got more separation than others, some had more speed and size, etc. but to me the most important thing is a reliable target who can catch it. Cooper Kup, Zay Jones, Corey Davis, JuJu, Ross are all guys I see working well. I do believe our drafting of has has led to us valuing Height-weight-speed guys more than we should and not accounting enough for catching, reliability, and route running. I hope we shift that this year as we have that already with Perriman and Wallace

[RaineV1]

29 minutes ago, Dubs said:

Not sure Flacco has really shown any preference for bigger guys over smaller guys. One could argue that SSS and Derrick Mason were two of his favourite targets over the years. Obviously he has done well with Pitta and Boldin too who are bigger. And decent with guys like Mike Wallace and Torrey Smith. In all of that I would say it seems like his best fit are reliable guys who catch and give him a target--you could argue all are pretty good route runners too...SSS, Mason, Boldin and Pitta all do that just in different ways, some got more separation than others, some had more speed and size, etc. but to me the most important thing is a reliable target who can catch it. Cooper Kup, Zay Jones, Corey Davis, JuJu, Ross are all guys I see working well. I do believe our drafting of has has led to us valuing Height-weight-speed guys more than we should and not accounting enough for catching, reliability, and route running. I hope we shift that this year as we have that already with Perriman and Wallace

Zay Jones is actually the WR I'd want the most in this draft because he seems to be Mr. Reliable in terms of route running and making the catch.

Edited March 6 by RaineV1

[Dubs]

6 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Zay Jones is actually the WR I'd want the most in this draft because he seems to be Mr. Reliable in terms of route running and making the catch.

Ditto, he may be a really good option at our 2nd rounder. As much as I love him that second rounder is going to be one tough pick and is always an annoying one to look back at because of the muddled options. If we take a CB in the first I think our options open up to basically anything for the second round. If we go Edge or some other position in the first I think we will likely be limiting that choice a little more to CB, because there should be value and will fit a need. WR is in such a weird position for us this year--it is a need but how much we place value on that need and how to fill it will be interesting. We usually go vet wr, but if we happen not to this year I will be very interested to see what that means for the draft as I can see us doing anything from first round to late rounders even if we do not fill it through FA

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Dubs said:

Not sure Flacco has really shown any preference for bigger guys over smaller guys. One could argue that SSS and Derrick Mason were two of his favourite targets over the years. Obviously he has done well with Pitta and Boldin too who are bigger. And decent with guys like Mike Wallace and Torrey Smith. In all of that I would say it seems like his best fit are reliable guys who catch and give him a target--you could argue all are pretty good route runners too...SSS, Mason, Boldin and Pitta all do that just in different ways, some got more separation than others, some had more speed and size, etc. but to me the most important thing is a reliable target who can catch it. Cooper Kup, Zay Jones, Corey Davis, JuJu, Ross are all guys I see working well. I do believe our drafting of has has led to us valuing Height-weight-speed guys more than we should and not accounting enough for catching, reliability, and route running. I hope we shift that this year as we have that already with Perriman and Wallace

I don't think past history is the best indication, he's been given elite route runners but he's also shown to have trouble hitting guys in stride. So if you're gonna want big plays than you gotta get guys who can make big plays independently and make a tough catch downfield because the YAC thing seems really tough for us to achieve

[rossihunter2]

what today showed me is that the wr depth is a lot weaker in every round than the dbs this year, for every wr i like in a round there's probably a couple of corners i like better, and i really think we might end up not getting a wr until much later in the draft - a guy like godwin or ford would be great but im not sure they are better than a kevin king or howard wilson who will probably be around at a similar point in the draft

maybe a darreus rogers will be the pick if he falls far enough into day 3

[NebraskaRavensFan44]

Now that the Eagles have Alshon and Torrey, the idea of Corey Davis in the first is enticing.

[Davesta]

48 minutes ago, NebraskaRavensFan44 said:

Now that the Eagles have Alshon and Torrey, the idea of Corey Davis in the first is enticing.

Just gotta pass the bills and cardinals. I hope Corey Davis falls because of his recent surgery. One of those team is going to draft mike Williams. Hope John Ross 40 time shoots him up, and Davis falls to us