[News] Late For Work 10/28: Eight Bye Week Thoughts On Steve Bisciotti, Ozzie Newsome And More

[sami]

I struggle with the comment that we shouldn't expect trades bc we don't look like a super bowl contender. We have not been healthy.

We have been without SSS, Suggs, Dumervil, Stanley, CJ, Yanda and more.
When we were healthy we were 3-0

since the injuries we have been 0-4 but those are some giant injuries. IN fact for the most part those are our top guys.

Our guys are now expected to be back after the bye... we should be at full strength or close to it and we are only one game out of 1st place in the division.

The sqeelers are banged up... the Bengals look bad and we can still control our own destiny.

A win vs Pittsburgh and a healthy unit moving forward could go a long way to righting the ship. A little help (even for depth better then Hurst or help at S ) and we could legitimately make a run.

Once you get into the playoffs... its all about who is peaking at that time!
Yea... I have an issue with that statement.

I'm with ya, steelcityraven

[fluffy201]

  2 hours ago, law215 said:

“Does he see more failure from the coaching staff or the effects of an undermanned roster as the primary reason for Baltimore’s struggles?”

Unfortunately I believe Steve needs to realize it's both.

Front Office fault

At the last draft Harbs described sitting back and watching OZ and DeCosta work their magic. That's leads me to believe Harbs a very little say in who get picked.

FO has never supplies the Ravens with talent at Wr position. OZ method is to rely on short-term old vets.

The offensive line has been a mess and he failed to retain guys like Grubbs, KO, Jason Brown.

At the same time he over paid Webb, J Smith, and gives Wright a contract (smh) If either of them were worth the money, the secondary would not be in the shape it is now. Weddle represents OZ continue approach of stop gap solutions instead of drafting and retaining young talent.

The team after 6th overall pick and 11 picks in total still lack a consistent pass rusher, depth on the o-line, and play makers. That has nothing to do with Harbs.

Harbs fault

Harbs has failed as well. This team lacks discipline and toughness.

Every week he says the team needs to play smart , run the ball effectively, and be disciplined. Yet, every week we see the exact opposite. He explains what went wrong like its the players or coordinators fault.

Why can he tell Trestman or Marty to call more run plays?
He seems dependent on the coordinators instead of them following his lead.

Young players on John's watch never hit the field. Most don't seems to grow. Brown, Elam, Doss, and yes even Joe.

Joe still acts like he can't read a defense, call his own plays so he can stop blaming the OC, his fundamentals are not consistent.

So what does John bring to the team if he can oversee the development of his QB?

Steve needs to add a new perspective to the draft, scouting, and contracts. He also should start looking for a new head coach that can help develop players, revive the physical style of play that works in the AFC North, and adds expertise to the offense or defense.

you sound like you read the "Cleveland Browns Way To A Great Team" manual.

Sorry about my last post, I was really pissed last week, but law 215 isn't that far off. There is a deep rooted problem/s in this organization. There just has not been any type of consistency for 4 years now, and we don't have any play makers that are younger than 30. It's really bad when I read articles about getting the ball to Kenith Dixon more lol The guy has barely played a regular season game and people are so excited. That's is when you know things are getting really bad. The fan base is excited for no name players and were getting used to mediocre players. Not saying the Ravens don't have good players they do, but we don't have great players and that's is what you need to win consistently. Im not saying we need a bunch, just a few ;)

[balfan23]

I'll state my bye week thoughts based on what we saw going into the season ... where we had questions and what we've actually seen happen. 

Question: O line - Will Stanley be an anchor at LT and will the loss of KO be felt? Answer: Stanley's absence was unexpected and is painful. No one has filled in at LG that has been even close to what KO brought. 

Question: Edge Rush - Will Suggs come back and be effective and can he and Doom re-create the tandem that was among the best in the league. Answer: Suggs hasn't looked like himself and is hurt again. Doom has been unexpectedly out for a long time and appears at risk to not be himself at any point this year. The young players we have behind them struggle to get any sort of pressure, with only Judon looking like a viable option. 

Question: Secondary - Will the addition of Weddle solidify our secondary? Answer: He has helped, but the lack of an effective CB opposite Smith is a weakness that Weddle can't solve. With Smith out, we're tragic. 

Question: QB - Will Joe return healthy and be effective? Answer: I don't know if his health is an issue, but he certainly is not nearly as effective as we need him to be. Whether it is the O line, his health or ... if he's just showing us that he can be the Joe we've seen over the years where he can have games that just make you wonder how this can be the same guy you've seen on other occasions play lights out, I don't know. He is now and will remain one of the biggest enigmas in the game.

In summary ... the Ravens are unfortunately a team that appears to need everything to go right for them to be a contender. Some teams can absorb injuries and other challenges. We do not have the depth to handle these challenges. I think it would be foolish to think that all the things that have not gone well in the above Q & A are going to suddenly disappear after the bye. If the O line gets healthy that will help and may help Joe get out of his funk. Jimmy Smith can't ever be off the field and maybe the secondary will return to being functional. But the edge rush? Man, I just think it is a stretch to see either Suggs or Doom be who we need them to be and I don't anticipate a light suddenly going on for the young guys there to start bringing consistent pressure. 

The range on this team seems to be to squeak into the playoffs if everything perfect from here on out to being a top 10 draft selector next year if they don't. 

[gammaman]

  4 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Well Stated!

[The Greek]

it is obvious to everyone that this is not a quick fix but the season hopefully can be salvaged if luck finally comes back to the organization. bisciotti should look at the front office 1st when he goes on his season ending rampage because if you all do the research the drafts since 2009 have been rough. hard to win with the roster harbaugh has to work with. bisciotti than must have a tough love meeting with harbs while dissecting every single coach on his staff because that is where some of the problems exist. im hoping for the best the rest of the way but it is going to be interesting week by week. go ravens!!

[757RavensFan]

5 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Kamar is the # 4 and possibly the # 5 WR in our lineup and with Campanaro ready to come back- the best thing that Kamar can do for us is provide trat bait to help us in an area of need. 1. SSS 2. Wallace 3. Perriman 4. CMoore and now with Camp ready to return that moves Kamar well down the lineup and that is not even considering that Waller can play both WR and TE. I know they mentioned keeping Kamar incase SSS retires next season but why cant we take another WR in the middle of the draft to replace him (it would be cheaper and he would have a better chance then being our #4 or $ 5 WR).

I really don't think too many teams are very interested in KAMAR...our WR corps is disappointing so far and Kamar is 4th or 5th in BMORE... that don't have me believing that teams are beating down our door trying to get him...

but if a team like the Bills or Jets or Chargers think they can help them make a run... I say take him and let us get something we can use for him bc being 5th in the line up or worse... we are not going to be much out of him with him here?

You're joking right? Aikmen has proven to be better than everyone I highlighted.  Right now, Aiken is the 3rd best WR we have behind SSS and Wallace. 

[Fastynart]

  3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  6 hours ago, Fastynart said:

If the roster is "undermanned", it is no one's fault but Ozzie Newsome. His terrible drafting over the last 6 years have left the Ravens bereft of talent.
Zrebiec is right about the best and worst. The Ravens knew what they had to fix but didn't do it.
I like Mason but he is full of baloney. John Harbaugh didn't win anything. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed did. Once they were gone, all we read was about how this was "Harbaugh's Team". Well we haven't heard that lately. How is that working out?
Weddle and Webb "entrenched"? Seriously? Why would anyone on this awful pass defense be "entrenched? If they are, they are because no one else has the talent to unentrench them. Elam stinks. He has proven he can't play in the NFL.
Sadly, Webb is downright terrible. He is a good guy who tries his best, but injuries have slowed him to the point where he is a liability.
Ok, Young & Lewis have done ok (for fourth rounders) but where are the guys taken ahead of them? Just like every year since 2010, draft picks one through three are mediocre or gone into obscurity where they belong. Ozzie Newsome's inability to draft winners in the first few rounds have killed the Ravens.

More Troll drivel again......

If according to your theory, Ray & Ed won the Super Bowl, then why didn't they win it during their prime years? You know, those prime years where we also had Suggs, NGata, McAlister, Bart Scott, Jarrett Johnson in their prime years? How do you explain that? You can't. Even that team went 5-11. Because it doesn't fit your BS theory, that's why.

And it doesn't fit your BS theory that Ozzie can't draft - Mosley, KO, BWill, Torrey, Jimmy, Wagner, Jernigan, Tavon, Tyrod Taylor, Pernell McPhee, Urshel. Not to mention the Undrafted FA that OZZIE BROUGHT IN - Justin Tucker (ever heard of him?), Orr, Aiken, etc.

Nope, none of that matters because it doesn't support your acrimonious agenda towards Ozzie & Harbs. Troll on, sir.....

Good points,but he had to be talking about Brian Billick and not John.

Baloney. You can hide your head in the sand about ineptness of the parts of Newsome and Harbaugh, but the proof is right in front of your eyes. Ozzie hasn't produced in the draft for the last 6 years. Harbaugh is the worst clock manager I have ever seen. He also failed to bench Joe last game and cost us an opportunity to beat a bad team again. Flacco, whether hurt or just plain ineffective, should not have started the second half, and, after throwing two perfect passes back to back to the Jets defense, he should have been benched. A real head coach would not worry about hurting Flacco's feelings and would have instead worried about the team.

[sami]

  3 hours ago, sami said:

  5 hours ago, law215 said:

“Does he see more failure from the coaching staff or the effects of an undermanned roster as the primary reason for Baltimore’s struggles?”

Unfortunately I believe Steve needs to realize it's both.

Front Office fault

At the last draft Harbs described sitting back and watching OZ and DeCosta work their magic. That's leads me to believe Harbs a very little say in who get picked.

FO has never supplies the Ravens with talent at Wr position. OZ method is to rely on short-term old vets.

The offensive line has been a mess and he failed to retain guys like Grubbs, KO, Jason Brown.

At the same time he over paid Webb, J Smith, and gives Wright a contract (smh) If either of them were worth the money, the secondary would not be in the shape it is now. Weddle represents OZ continue approach of stop gap solutions instead of drafting and retaining young talent.

The team after 6th overall pick and 11 picks in total still lack a consistent pass rusher, depth on the o-line, and play makers. That has nothing to do with Harbs.

Harbs fault

Harbs has failed as well. This team lacks discipline and toughness.

Every week he says the team needs to play smart , run the ball effectively, and be disciplined. Yet, every week we see the exact opposite. He explains what went wrong like its the players or coordinators fault.

Why can he tell Trestman or Marty to call more run plays?
He seems dependent on the coordinators instead of them following his lead.

Young players on John's watch never hit the field. Most don't seems to grow. Brown, Elam, Doss, and yes even Joe.

Joe still acts like he can't read a defense, call his own plays so he can stop blaming the OC, his fundamentals are not consistent.

So what does John bring to the team if he can oversee the development of his QB?

Steve needs to add a new perspective to the draft, scouting, and contracts. He also should start looking for a new head coach that can help develop players, revive the physical style of play that works in the AFC North, and adds expertise to the offense or defense.

you sound like you read the "Cleveland Browns Way To A Great Team" manual.

Sorry about my last post, I was really pissed last week, but law 215 isn't that far off. There is a deep rooted problem/s in this organization. There just has not been any type of consistency for 4 years now, and we don't have any play makers that are younger than 30. It's really bad when I read articles about getting the ball to Kenith Dixon more lol The guy has barely played a regular season game and people are so excited. That's is when you know things are getting really bad. The fan base is excited for no name players and were getting used to mediocre players. Not saying the Ravens don't have good players they do, but we don't have great players and that's is what you need to win consistently. Im not saying we need a bunch, just a few ;)

We got so used to having a couple of superstars that now really good players look mediocre. I think we have some excellent young players coming up and hopefully they start producing sooner rather than later.

[Popeye the sailor man]

  6 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  7 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

  7 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Yes. I love the Ravens.....however, as a product (a major one, at that)it /they are not playing as good as they should be with the talent they have, etc. As a fan I am very dissatisfied, given there putrid offense- especially with an excessively overpaid qb that is not (imo) doing his best to win (internal politics, perhaps?)

Sloppy Joe got his money, he will never be a leader on any team .Maybe that's why he ended up at Delaware State.The Blue Hen that lays eggs !

Sloppy Joe didn't go to Delaware State Outkast1, he went to the University of Delaware, 2 entirely different schools in the state and they both suck at football

[Popeye the sailor man]

During this coming BYE WEEK, I can 1000% guarantee you one thing, the Ravens will not lose a game

[mearzunkies]

We need to let these young players lose a little more. That is something that Harbs never does but it is time to let the likes of:

1. Tavon
2. Dixon
3. Judon
4. ZSmith
5. KC
6. ALewis
7. Stanley (although that was the play with those two all along)
8. Waller
9. Campanaro
10. CMoore
11. Perriman
12. Huff

There is a dozen players that we need to get more involved. Stanley -Lewis and Tavon have already been showing that they can help this team.

C Moore and Campanaro can add to the weapons that we are missing on offense but they can only do that if they are on the field and getting reps.

Perriman needs be force fed a little. As does Dixon

Waller is a mismatch and needs to be utilized. I know that means that Joes friend Pitta may get less reps but Waller is the type of athlete that this offense is missing.

Judon and ZSmith are showing that they can play. that is not saying that they should surpass Suggs or Dum but they should be getting a healthy rotation. KC should also be working in that rotation. He can play all 4 LB positions and ST... he is athletic and has a high motor and we could take advantage of that in situations all while letting him get his feet wet and developing.

Finally... Huff will be an upgrade over Webb and much cheaper moving forward. He is more athletic and makes us more versatile in our defensive backfield.

That is a dozen players (nearly a quarter of our line up) that we need to get more out of and who could add some spark for us on both sides of the ball..

I hope to see a lot more of them over the second half of the season.

Huff? An upgrade? Is he still even in da league? Say what....

[mearzunkies]

  6 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  7 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

  7 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Yes. I love the Ravens.....however, as a product (a major one, at that)it /they are not playing as good as they should be with the talent they have, etc. As a fan I am very dissatisfied, given there putrid offense- especially with an excessively overpaid qb that is not (imo) doing his best to win (internal politics, perhaps?)

Sloppy Joe got his money, he will never be a leader on any team .Maybe that's why he ended up at Delaware State.The Blue Hen that lays eggs !

And won a championship there. OH and a Super Bowl LEADING the Ravens matching MONTANA'S record. Yep he's trash... SMH

[The Greek]

  7 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

We need to let these young players lose a little more. That is something that Harbs never does but it is time to let the likes of:

1. Tavon
2. Dixon
3. Judon
4. ZSmith
5. KC
6. ALewis
7. Stanley (although that was the play with those two all along)
8. Waller
9. Campanaro
10. CMoore
11. Perriman
12. Huff

There is a dozen players that we need to get more involved. Stanley -Lewis and Tavon have already been showing that they can help this team.

C Moore and Campanaro can add to the weapons that we are missing on offense but they can only do that if they are on the field and getting reps.

Perriman needs be force fed a little. As does Dixon

Waller is a mismatch and needs to be utilized. I know that means that Joes friend Pitta may get less reps but Waller is the type of athlete that this offense is missing.

Judon and ZSmith are showing that they can play. that is not saying that they should surpass Suggs or Dum but they should be getting a healthy rotation. KC should also be working in that rotation. He can play all 4 LB positions and ST... he is athletic and has a high motor and we could take advantage of that in situations all while letting him get his feet wet and developing.

Finally... Huff will be an upgrade over Webb and much cheaper moving forward. He is more athletic and makes us more versatile in our defensive backfield.

That is a dozen players (nearly a quarter of our line up) that we need to get more out of and who could add some spark for us on both sides of the ball..

I hope to see a lot more of them over the second half of the season.

Huff? An upgrade? Is he still even in da league? Say what....

campanaro will shatter like glass as a return man. he is fragile and will retire once he gets injured again which will be soon.

[mearzunkies]

  8 hours ago, law215 said:

“Does he see more failure from the coaching staff or the effects of an undermanned roster as the primary reason for Baltimore’s struggles?”

Unfortunately I believe Steve needs to realize it's both.

Front Office fault

At the last draft Harbs described sitting back and watching OZ and DeCosta work their magic. That's leads me to believe Harbs a very little say in who get picked.

FO has never supplies the Ravens with talent at Wr position. OZ method is to rely on short-term old vets.

The offensive line has been a mess and he failed to retain guys like Grubbs, KO, Jason Brown.

At the same time he over paid Webb, J Smith, and gives Wright a contract (smh) If either of them were worth the money, the secondary would not be in the shape it is now. Weddle represents OZ continue approach of stop gap solutions instead of drafting and retaining young talent.

The team after 6th overall pick and 11 picks in total still lack a consistent pass rusher, depth on the o-line, and play makers. That has nothing to do with Harbs.

Harbs fault

Harbs has failed as well. This team lacks discipline and toughness.

Every week he says the team needs to play smart , run the ball effectively, and be disciplined. Yet, every week we see the exact opposite. He explains what went wrong like its the players or coordinators fault.

Why can he tell Trestman or Marty to call more run plays?
He seems dependent on the coordinators instead of them following his lead.

Young players on John's watch never hit the field. Most don't seems to grow. Brown, Elam, Doss, and yes even Joe.

Joe still acts like he can't read a defense, call his own plays so he can stop blaming the OC, his fundamentals are not consistent.

So what does John bring to the team if he can oversee the development of his QB?

Steve needs to add a new perspective to the draft, scouting, and contracts. He also should start looking for a new head coach that can help develop players, revive the physical style of play that works in the AFC North, and adds expertise to the offense or defense.

you sound like you read the "Cleveland Browns Way To A Great Team" manual.

LOL right out of my mind after reading that post. HAH

[Crusader]

First "Wow! @PFF ranks the #Ravens secondary #2 in the NFL. And they laud Webb. " and then the NEXT day report this "Webb’s play so far this season ranks No. 60 among all NFL safeties, according to Pro Football Focus."........... AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE DON"T BELIEVE THE MEDIA ANYMORE.

[Crusader]

  8 hours ago, Crusader said:

It's nice to read something that I been thinking and saying from someone else. I would also throw in the bad contacts that have put the Ravens in Salary Cap Hell for years to come. Looking back in Ravens history the Ravens should have Dilfer'ed Joe after the Super bowl and used the money on the O-line. It worked for Trent & Jamal.

I think the Ravens do have some bad contracts, but Flacco is not one of them.  Look at what other QBs are being paid...Dalton, Newton, Osweiler, etc.  The market value for QBs is crazy high, and most teams have to pay it if they want a chance to be successful.  The contracts that are hurting us right now are ones to Doom, Webb, etc.

I don't know about Joe. Even when he had a decent O line he was never accurate.Jo can throw the deep ball but can't throw short, Perriman can run but can't catch, Kyle K can catch but can't block, Ravens can move the ball but can't score.

[JamesA119]

  9 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

  9 hours ago, Crusader said:

It's nice to read something that I been thinking and saying from someone else. I would also throw in the bad contacts that have put the Ravens in Salary Cap Hell for years to come. Looking back in Ravens history the Ravens should have Dilfer'ed Joe after the Super bowl and used the money on the O-line. It worked for Trent & Jamal.

I think the Ravens do have some bad contracts, but Flacco is not one of them.  Look at what other QBs are being paid...Dalton, Newton, Osweiler, etc.  The market value for QBs is crazy high, and most teams have to pay it if they want a chance to be successful.  The contracts that are hurting us right now are ones to Doom, Webb, etc.

I don't know about Joe. Even when he had a decent O line he was never accurate.Jo can throw the deep ball but can't throw short, Perriman can run but can't catch, Kyle K can catch but can't block, Ravens can move the ball but can't score.

Flacco's contract has to be worst. $120M+ contact with over $40M in bonus money paid right away, and he is the 29th ranked QB? How badly do you want him play?
He is a QB that should have gotten minimal money while they used the saved money to sign KO and field a better team to carry a mediocre QB like him. As you can see he can't carry anybody. I don't see how anybody can see his contract and cry about Bernard Pierce's contract, as I have seen in these boards. Pierce never even finished his rookie contract, and he was not a first rounder.

[law215]

  7 hours ago, sami said:

  9 hours ago, law215 said:

“Does he see more failure from the coaching staff or the effects of an undermanned roster as the primary reason for Baltimore’s struggles?”

Unfortunately I believe Steve needs to realize it's both.

Front Office fault

At the last draft Harbs described sitting back and watching OZ and DeCosta work their magic. That's leads me to believe Harbs a very little say in who get picked.

FO has never supplies the Ravens with talent at Wr position. OZ method is to rely on short-term old vets.

The offensive line has been a mess and he failed to retain guys like Grubbs, KO, Jason Brown.

At the same time he over paid Webb, J Smith, and gives Wright a contract (smh) If either of them were worth the money, the secondary would not be in the shape it is now. Weddle represents OZ continue approach of stop gap solutions instead of drafting and retaining young talent.

The team after 6th overall pick and 11 picks in total still lack a consistent pass rusher, depth on the o-line, and play makers. That has nothing to do with Harbs.

Harbs fault

Harbs has failed as well. This team lacks discipline and toughness.

Every week he says the team needs to play smart , run the ball effectively, and be disciplined. Yet, every week we see the exact opposite. He explains what went wrong like its the players or coordinators fault.

Why can he tell Trestman or Marty to call more run plays?
He seems dependent on the coordinators instead of them following his lead.

Young players on John's watch never hit the field. Most don't seems to grow. Brown, Elam, Doss, and yes even Joe.

Joe still acts like he can't read a defense, call his own plays so he can stop blaming the OC, his fundamentals are not consistent.

So what does John bring to the team if he can oversee the development of his QB?

Steve needs to add a new perspective to the draft, scouting, and contracts. He also should start looking for a new head coach that can help develop players, revive the physical style of play that works in the AFC North, and adds expertise to the offense or defense.

you sound like you read the "Cleveland Browns Way To A Great Team" manual.

LOL right out of my mind after reading that post. HAH

I think both of you have blinders on to not see the amount missed drafts that OZ has done in the last few years and Harbs coaching decision has cost the team wins. There a reason why they 8-15 so far over the last couple of seasons.

[bigcatfrank1]

Put Waller in the slot. Use Dixon & Juszczyk in the backfield (West looks to wear out), use play action, run out of the "i", double and single back formations. At this point in time the Ravens should play all 46 of their players. None of them appear to be able to last 60 minutes. Get everyone involved in the game, keep those lines fresh.
put Mallet in for the first Quarter and let him take some of the hits, run the ball, mix it up. Put Joe in for the last 3 Quarters, never know Mallet might score a couple TD's. if Joe gets hurt Mallet can return.

[thecommish]

  12 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

We need to let these young players lose a little more. That is something that Harbs never does but it is time to let the likes of:

1. Tavon
2. Dixon
3. Judon
4. ZSmith
5. KC
6. ALewis
7. Stanley (although that was the play with those two all along)
8. Waller
9. Campanaro
10. CMoore
11. Perriman
12. Huff

There is a dozen players that we need to get more involved. Stanley -Lewis and Tavon have already been showing that they can help this team.

C Moore and Campanaro can add to the weapons that we are missing on offense but they can only do that if they are on the field and getting reps.

Perriman needs be force fed a little. As does Dixon

Waller is a mismatch and needs to be utilized. I know that means that Joes friend Pitta may get less reps but Waller is the type of athlete that this offense is missing.

Judon and ZSmith are showing that they can play. that is not saying that they should surpass Suggs or Dum but they should be getting a healthy rotation. KC should also be working in that rotation. He can play all 4 LB positions and ST... he is athletic and has a high motor and we could take advantage of that in situations all while letting him get his feet wet and developing.

Finally... Huff will be an upgrade over Webb and much cheaper moving forward. He is more athletic and makes us more versatile in our defensive backfield.

That is a dozen players (nearly a quarter of our line up) that we need to get more out of and who could add some spark for us on both sides of the ball..

I hope to see a lot more of them over the second half of the season.

Huff? An upgrade? Is he still even in da league? Say what....

LOL... it is Marqueston Huff.... out of Wyoming not Mike Huff from the Raiders.... Different Huff and yes he is very athletic and good speed.... I think he can easily play S as well as Webb and believe he can even be an upgrade!

[thecommish]

  13 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

Kamar is the # 4 and possibly the # 5 WR in our lineup and with Campanaro ready to come back- the best thing that Kamar can do for us is provide trat bait to help us in an area of need. 1. SSS 2. Wallace 3. Perriman 4. CMoore and now with Camp ready to return that moves Kamar well down the lineup and that is not even considering that Waller can play both WR and TE. I know they mentioned keeping Kamar incase SSS retires next season but why cant we take another WR in the middle of the draft to replace him (it would be cheaper and he would have a better chance then being our #4 or $ 5 WR).

I really don't think too many teams are very interested in KAMAR...our WR corps is disappointing so far and Kamar is 4th or 5th in BMORE... that don't have me believing that teams are beating down our door trying to get him...

but if a team like the Bills or Jets or Chargers think they can help them make a run... I say take him and let us get something we can use for him bc being 5th in the line up or worse... we are not going to be much out of him with him here?

You're joking right? Aikmen has proven to be better than everyone I highlighted.  Right now, Aiken is the 3rd best WR we have behind SSS and Wallace. 

I dont think that was a joke... You can think that Kamar has out played all of them but Perriman is a high draft pick and will be given every chance to succeed (and yes even over Kamar)

C Moore...is also a high draft pick who will play to Joe's strength... allowing us to stretch the field.

Camp.... is a better athlete and a mismatch in the slot that Kamar cant be. While I have my doubts about Campanaro's ability to stay healthy in this league... I think he brings something to the table that Kamar cannot.

I think Waller is even more of a mismatch... While I dont know why he is in the conversation bc he is playing TE>.... I do think Waller can be a giant mismatch....

But I get the point... the point being that with Moore and Perriman being a high investment... Wallace and SSS being our top WRs and Camp and Waller being the players we are looking to for mismatches moving forward...

I am not sure where that leaves Kamar in our offense???????? Which is evidenced by his drastic dropped in numbers this year... suggesting the Ravens see it the same way!

[thecommish]

I struggle with the comment that we shouldn't expect trades bc we don't look like a super bowl contender. We have not been healthy.

We have been without SSS, Suggs, Dumervil, Stanley, CJ, Yanda and more.
When we were healthy we were 3-0

since the injuries we have been 0-4 but those are some giant injuries. IN fact for the most part those are our top guys.

Our guys are now expected to be back after the bye... we should be at full strength or close to it and we are only one game out of 1st place in the division.

The sqeelers are banged up... the Bengals look bad and we can still control our own destiny.

A win vs Pittsburgh and a healthy unit moving forward could go a long way to righting the ship. A little help (even for depth better then Hurst or help at S ) and we could legitimately make a run.

Once you get into the playoffs... its all about who is peaking at that time!
Yea... I have an issue with that statement.

what if we win the next two games coming out of our BYE week? That leaves us 5-4 and in first place (at least by way of head to head tie breaker) and we will be 3-0 in conference. The leaves us healthy and in a pretty good place

[sizzlingdoom]

My God please don't trade Aiken. He and Joe are great together. Why would anyone even consider trading him??

Ummmm. WHAT. Aiken is awful. Awful. I've never seen sobody impact a game so negatively in so many different ways than he did in the Redskins game. Not to mention letting the game saving pass bounce off his chest. Aiken is AWFUL

[sizzlingdoom]

If the roster is "undermanned", it is no one's fault but Ozzie Newsome. His terrible drafting over the last 6 years have left the Ravens bereft of talent.
Zrebiec is right about the best and worst. The Ravens knew what they had to fix but didn't do it.
I like Mason but he is full of baloney. John Harbaugh didn't win anything. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed did. Once they were gone, all we read was about how this was "Harbaugh's Team". Well we haven't heard that lately. How is that working out?
Weddle and Webb "entrenched"? Seriously? Why would anyone on this awful pass defense be "entrenched? If they are, they are because no one else has the talent to unentrench them. Elam stinks. He has proven he can't play in the NFL.
Sadly, Webb is downright terrible. He is a good guy who tries his best, but injuries have slowed him to the point where he is a liability.
Ok, Young & Lewis have done ok (for fourth rounders) but where are the guys taken ahead of them? Just like every year since 2010, draft picks one through three are mediocre or gone into obscurity where they belong. Ozzie Newsome's inability to draft winners in the first few rounds have killed the Ravens.

Its true. Our drafting is killing us

[PalmBayRaven]

  19 hours ago, outkast1 said:

  19 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  20 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

  20 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Yes. I love the Ravens.....however, as a product (a major one, at that)it /they are not playing as good as they should be with the talent they have, etc. As a fan I am very dissatisfied, given there putrid offense- especially with an excessively overpaid qb that is not (imo) doing his best to win (internal politics, perhaps?)

Sloppy Joe got his money, he will never be a leader on any team .Maybe that's why he ended up at Delaware State.The Blue Hen that lays eggs !

Sloppy Joe didn't go to Delaware State Outkast1, he went to the University of Delaware, 2 entirely different schools in the state and they both suck at football

He went to Pittsburgh first and was buried in the depth chart. Where are those guys that played in front of him there? No where and did they even play in the NFL? Joe transferred to Delaware and was a starter and ultimately drafted by Ravens 17th in 1st round. Joe has a Super Bowl ring and a fat paycheck. It doesn't get any better than that as a story. Good for Joe!

[20306cab]

  13 hours ago, Popeye the sailor man said:

  19 hours ago, outkast1 said:

  20 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  21 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

  21 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Yes. I love the Ravens.....however, as a product (a major one, at that)it /they are not playing as good as they should be with the talent they have, etc. As a fan I am very dissatisfied, given there putrid offense- especially with an excessively overpaid qb that is not (imo) doing his best to win (internal politics, perhaps?)

Sloppy Joe got his money, he will never be a leader on any team .Maybe that's why he ended up at Delaware State.The Blue Hen that lays eggs !

Sloppy Joe didn't go to Delaware State Outkast1, he went to the University of Delaware, 2 entirely different schools in the state and they both suck at football

He went to Pittsburgh first and was buried in the depth chart. Where are those guys that played in front of him there? No where and did they even play in the NFL? Joe transferred to Delaware and was a starter and ultimately drafted by Ravens 17th in 1st round. Joe has a Super Bowl ring and a fat paycheck. It doesn't get any better than that as a story. Good for Joe!

Good for Far Below Average Joe. Bad for Ravens!!

[Rav'n Maniac]

In my opinion, the only thing we have lost at this point is a opportunity at the #1 seed in the AFC.

Will we get some of our better players back healthy? YES
Do we have a chance to improve our play? YES
Do we still have a opportunity to win our division? YES

See, it's not as bleak as many here make it out to be.

[CQ1]

  34 minutes ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  14 hours ago, Popeye the sailor man said:

  20 hours ago, outkast1 said:

  20 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  21 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

  21 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Yes. I love the Ravens.....however, as a product (a major one, at that)it /they are not playing as good as they should be with the talent they have, etc. As a fan I am very dissatisfied, given there putrid offense- especially with an excessively overpaid qb that is not (imo) doing his best to win (internal politics, perhaps?)

Sloppy Joe got his money, he will never be a leader on any team .Maybe that's why he ended up at Delaware State.The Blue Hen that lays eggs !

Sloppy Joe didn't go to Delaware State Outkast1, he went to the University of Delaware, 2 entirely different schools in the state and they both suck at football

He went to Pittsburgh first and was buried in the depth chart. Where are those guys that played in front of him there? No where and did they even play in the NFL? Joe transferred to Delaware and was a starter and ultimately drafted by Ravens 17th in 1st round. Joe has a Super Bowl ring and a fat paycheck. It doesn't get any better than that as a story. Good for Joe!

Good for Far Below Average Joe. Bad for Ravens!!

Roger that, Cabby!
Id rather have a QB that exhibits determination and the will to win with many other facets of his game, than just standing in the pocket for minutes at a time. The injuries are his NOW excuse. Joe cannot carry this team- even with weapons. I am pleading for the Ravens to prove me wrong.........

[Crusader]

How big was it letting Osemele go now? Thank Webb for that.

[PalmBayRaven]

  1 hour ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  15 hours ago, Popeye the sailor man said:

  21 hours ago, outkast1 said:

  21 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  22 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

  22 hours ago, eze17 said:

Hater's gonna hate...send em' to the moon...

These forums exist so that fans can discuss their opinions. Silly to say that someone with an opinion different than yours is a "hater." No one here hates the Ravens. Those people post to the Pittsburgh Steelers forums.

Yes. I love the Ravens.....however, as a product (a major one, at that)it /they are not playing as good as they should be with the talent they have, etc. As a fan I am very dissatisfied, given there putrid offense- especially with an excessively overpaid qb that is not (imo) doing his best to win (internal politics, perhaps?)

Sloppy Joe got his money, he will never be a leader on any team .Maybe that's why he ended up at Delaware State.The Blue Hen that lays eggs !

Sloppy Joe didn't go to Delaware State Outkast1, he went to the University of Delaware, 2 entirely different schools in the state and they both suck at football

He went to Pittsburgh first and was buried in the depth chart. Where are those guys that played in front of him there? No where and did they even play in the NFL? Joe transferred to Delaware and was a starter and ultimately drafted by Ravens 17th in 1st round. Joe has a Super Bowl ring and a fat paycheck. It doesn't get any better than that as a story. Good for Joe!

Good for Far Below Average Joe. Bad for Ravens!!

Yes, it has been bad for us since the Super Bowl. Every year I expect more from him but he has Sucked the last few years even with an Offensive line. Just terrible and maybe just maybe we already seen his best and he will crash and burn?