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[redlobster]

How is the injury report so long after a freaking bye week?

[Maryland]

34 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

None of those guys are playing. I'm most disappointed by KC. I thought he played well with added snaps and want to see how he develops on field. Injuries continue to hamper these young guys development. 

On another note, i'm not excited that Gilmore is hurt, but excited to see Waller get more snaps. If Marty uses his size and speed to attack the middle of the field it could open up so much for Wallace and Perriman deep, Pitta and SSS/Aiken underneath. 

Didn't Waller have a big completion at Pittsburgh to put us in FG range last year? I remember Camp and Steve both going out that game and him being targeted deep middle of the field...

Anyway, wouldn't be disappointed to see Waller testing their secondary with some seam routes, especially off of play-action.

[Ravensfan23]

31 minutes ago, iceripper said:

Well we just cut Will Davis and signed Chris Lewis Harris. Was Davis really that bad? I agree we don't have much depth at outside CBs but Lewis Harris is also just 5-10.

Don't understand the move, but i'm not paid to. So i just hope he plays well in whatever capacity he was signed for. I was a fan of Davis but I must admit it mostly came from that 1 game vs the Steelers. He struggled vs the Giants and I don't recall seeing much of him in the Jets game, if he did play he didn't stand out. 

I know nothing about Chris Lewis Harris. In fact i got excite for a moment seeing the name because I though it was the Broncos CB.. Some of the Bengals fans seem upset about the move. However they seem upset because he was cut opposed to Chykie which we all know how poorly he plays. Guess we'll see what he has. Hope he can help. 

[Dilferian]

On 11/3/2016 at 4:36 PM, wizard1 said:

 

  I've had enough suffering.

We are working on 20 years here people!! I look around the league and I see the same teams year in and year out winning. Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks, Steelers Packers.  Even our 2 SB winning years we were either a  wild-card team or finished the year 10-6 and only won the division on a tie-breaker.

I would like to get the fans together and collectively say we are not gonna take this anymore and perhaps through our unity make some much needed change in the structure of our team. 

!

Lol...suffering? Really? 

They WON 2 Super Bowls in 20 years. Ask fans of the Browns, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Lions, Jaguars, Eagles....you get the point. For goodness sakes, the whining is awful.

The NFL is basically mediocre in general, except the Patriots. It's partly by design, with salary caps. Owners want to win, but the system doesn't allow you to keep your core without over paying a few, and it handcuffs rosters. Belichick seems to be the only coach capable of letting people go and plugging the void every season.

 

[Ravensfan23]

12 minutes ago, redlobster said:

How is the injury report so long after a freaking bye week?

I'd say pretty good. Only Doom, KC, and Gilmore have been ruled out. Which for me the only disappointment is KC, just because i'd like to see him stack solid performances together. 

All our other guys practiced at least on a limited basis and looks like they'll play. So things are looking good i'll say. 

[usmccharles]

11 minutes ago, Dilferian said:

Lol...suffering? Really? 

They WON 2 Super Bowls in 20 years. Ask fans of the Browns, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Lions, Jaguars, Eagles....you get the point. For goodness sakes, the whining is awful.

The NFL is basically mediocre in general, except the Patriots. It's partly by design, with salary caps. Owners want to win, but the system doesn't allow you to keep your core without over paying a few, and it handcuffs rosters. Belichick seems to be the only coach capable of letting people go and plugging the void every season.

Dude, just let it go.  To him, this franchise is garbage and we need to blow everything up.  Just warning you before you try to have an educated discussion, it wont happen

8 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'd say pretty good. Only Doom, KC, and Gilmore have been ruled out. Which for me the only disappointment is KC, just because i'd like to see him stack solid performances together. 

All our other guys practiced at least on a limited basis and looks like they'll play. So things are looking good i'll say. 

Why is KC out? just so disappointed with this pick still.  Yes I know its half the season, but for us not getting production from a second rounder still bugs me.  This is a draft pick I am not happy with...so far.  Ill give it time though.

[DomMcRaven]

20 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Don't understand the move, but i'm not paid to. So i just hope he plays well in whatever capacity he was signed for. I was a fan of Davis but I must admit it mostly came from that 1 game vs the Steelers. He struggled vs the Giants and I don't recall seeing much of him in the Jets game, if he did play he didn't stand out. 

I know nothing about Chris Lewis Harris. In fact i got excite for a moment seeing the name because I though it was the Broncos CB.. Some of the Bengals fans seem upset about the move. However they seem upset because he was cut opposed to Chykie which we all know how poorly he plays. Guess we'll see what he has. Hope he can help. 

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I couldn't help but laugh at this.

[Ravensfan23]

21 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Didn't Waller have a big completion at Pittsburgh to put us in FG range last year? I remember Camp and Steve both going out that game and him being targeted deep middle of the field...

Anyway, wouldn't be disappointed to see Waller testing their secondary with some seam routes, especially off of play-action.

No it was a big play to start the game tying drive. But a big play nonetheless. 

Yes, that's what the big man was moved to TE for. To creative match up problems in the secondary. He and Pitta and the only TEs healthy so he'll get all the snaps he and Gilmore have been sharing, it's just giving him opportunities. 

[Ravensfan23]

13 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Dude, just let it go.  To him, this franchise is garbage and we need to blow everything up.  Just warning you before you try to have an educated discussion, it wont happen

Why is KC out? just so disappointed with this pick still.  Yes I know its half the season, but for us not getting production from a second rounder still bugs me.  This is a draft pick I am not happy with...so far.  Ill give it time though.

Thigh injury. Yes it does suck, but i'm not unhappy with the pick. Just these darn injuries. It's nobody's fault with this injury bug but it sucks man. 

For KC to flash the play making ability he has in limited action. Near Ints, Forced fumbles, tipped passes. I know there aren't any sacks but I was excited to see he and Judon continue to get increased snaps with Doom out. Now it's back to McClellan. 

[Ravensfan23]

10 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I couldn't help but laugh at this.

Don't laugh at my pain bro. lol. We need to find a end to the merry go round at that other outside CB position. I thought the Broncos might have had another fax issue that we took advantage of 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Thigh injury. Yes it does suck, but i'm not unhappy with the pick. Just these darn injuries. It's nobody's fault with this injury bug but it sucks man. 

For KC to flash the play making ability he has in limited action. Near Ints, Forced fumbles, tipped passes. I know there aren't any sacks but I was excited to see he and Judon continue to get increased snaps with Doom out. Now it's back to McClellan. 

I just still don't see it.  Taking a project player in the second round when some key guys were available, im not even looking at what production has been made from other guys.  Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns out, obviously

[DomMcRaven]

45 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Don't laugh at my pain bro. lol. We need to find a end to the merry go round at that other outside CB position. I thought the Broncos might have had another fax issue that we took advantage of 

I wanted CHJ before the Broncos extended him. I was so hurt by that. Who am I kidding, I still am. 

[jazz1988]

33 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I just still don't see it.  Taking a project player in the second round when some key guys were available, im not even looking at what production has been made from other guys.  Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns out, obviously

I wouldn't necessarily consider him a project player but it definitely should have been expected for him to take some  time to grow especially as a pass rusher. I love his versatility  that he displayed through out college from playing outside linebacker, defensive end, inside linebacker and etc. His upside as a pass rusher is there and he seem to set the edge quite well when he got his start  against The Jets but it's disappointing he wont play on sunday.

[usmccharles]

Just now, jazz1988 said:

I wouldn't necessarily consider him a project player but it definitely should have been expected for him to take some  time to grow especially as a pass rusher. I love his versatility  that he displayed through out college from playing outside linebacker, defensive end, inside linebacker and etc. His upside as a pass rusher is there and he seem to set the edge quite well when he got his start  against The Jets but it's disappointing he wont play on sunday.

Comparing him to lets say a guy like Ngaokoue, why do you think we took KC?  I was a big fan of his

[Ravensfan23]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I just still don't see it.  Taking a project player in the second round when some key guys were available, im not even looking at what production has been made from other guys.  Don't get me wrong, I hope he turns out, obviously

I wouldn't consider him a project. Moreso of a guy who they saw as a major piece in a defined role but didn't expect him to struggle to learn all he needed to learn. The same thing is true with Myles Jack in Jax. The Ravens wanted and still do i'd imagine to be a OLB/ILB hybrid who can move around, cover, rush, blitz and just be that jack of all trades type. Honestly I can see that happening with the game this year if injuries don't hamper him long term.

As far as the pick it's self, who are the other key guys in your opinion? Because for me if those guys aren't producing right away I can't see how they could be considered key players other than having big names and college production.

Let's look at how the 2nd round played out. The Ravens had the 5th(36) pick that round. The 4 players taking ahead of that spot were 2 pass rusher, ogbah and Dodd who aren't setting the league on fire, a injured LB in Jaylon Smith and a TE who the Ravens just weren't touching. The plan was probably to take Dodd or maybe Ogbah but they weren't there. So now at #36 you have Jack sitting there. Many were screaming for the Ravens to select what some were calling the near perfect LB prospect. Will he has a total of 9 tackles, no sacks, no forced turnovers and 1 pass defended in 84 snaps thus far. I'd say trading the pick and getting more picks was a win there. Not saying he won't be good eventually of course but are you any more happy with the selection of Myles Jack any more than Correa right now?

So after that you have DT Jones, CB Howard and DE Spence selected. Looking at any of those guys would you rather have any one of them over Moore and Judon? Other than probably Sheppard and I'm not sure he'd be used properly here, I can't see another 2nd round pick that i can say would definitely be helping this team more than Correa right now. 

[Militant X 1]

On 10/27/2016 at 11:35 PM, K-Dog said:

Most people here hate the steelers. I love them. I love playing them.

It is the best two games of the regular season .  With out fail (usually ) it is the smartest, well thought out, hardest hitting, aggressive game we play every year.

I hope Wallace has a career day.

 

Oh and you are kidding your self if you think Ben isn't playing . 

I don't actually love them per se but I do love how they play...they fight hard until the end!  To me, the Steelers are never out of it until the final whistle blows to end the game.  And, I absolutely love how Big Ben can extend plays when he's outside the pocket and how his receivers can get open for him and he finds them downfield. Awesome stuff!  I just don't want to see that on Sunday!  The Ravens defense needs to put him on his back early and often.

GO RAVENS!!!

[Ravensfan23]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Comparing him to lets say a guy like Ngaokoue, why do you think we took KC?  I was a big fan of his

Ngaokoue is a guy who was dubbed as a pass rush only guy. So you have to weigh your opinion of what really helps this team overall. Without going too much into the comparison on the NFL level because they are both so young in their careers, the Ravens are looking for that 3 down guy who can come close to adding to this defense what a guy like Suggs can. If you what Correa he's a 3 tool guy, I know that's more of a baseball term but the fact is he can be stout against the run. Even tough he needs to develop, he can rush the passer(better as a blitzer right now) and he can drop into coverage making smart reads while doing so. 

I can't make an honest assessment on Ngaokoue because other than our game vs the Jags i haven't watched them. However I will say he was projected as a 4th or 5th round pass rush specialist. So it's no surprise he's getting after the QB, but much like Correa and Judon have had to prove they can stay on the field, would Ngaokue be seeing time if Harbs couldn't trust him to defend the run on early down? If you're gonna draft a pass rush specialist, i'd rather it be somewhere in the 4-6 rounds. I like to see more complete players early and I think Correa is the more complete player. 

[jazz1988]

9 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Comparing him to lets say a guy like Ngaokoue, why do you think we took KC?  I was a big fan of his

I think  K.C was drafted  because of  his versatility and how he could potentially  fill two positions for The Ravens. I don't think this guy was drafted base off pure pass rush ability alone. I think Ozzie and others knew they weren't quite sure on who was going to start next to CJ Mosley and they definitely needed a linebacker with enough speed to play in space which KC demonstrated in college while playing inside linebacker at times. His 3 cone drill time even proves he has the ability to play in space and he demonstrated on tape that he understood zone coverage responsibilities which is something that stood out to me. It's hard to really compare him  to Ngaokoue even though both were productive as pass rushers in college but Correa is more intriguing because he brings more to the defense than just a pass rusher that comes in on obvious passing down only like Ngaokoue.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Steeler Fans are saying, "We're underdogs in this one. We play better as the underdog..."

Raven fans (we) are saying, "We're underdogs in this one. We play better as the underdog..."

Other insiders are saying, "When the Ravens Defense and the Steelers Offense is on the field stay put. There'll be some good football...". They say take a bathroom break when they change possession.

This is going to be interesting. Ravens win by 2 scores. GO Ravens!!!

Edited November 5, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed

[balfan23]

Looking for a surprise good day for Dixon. 

With injuries and bye week killing my fantasy RB group, I was forced to pluck from a pool of nameless backup RBs for help. I opted for Dixon. Under the circumstances, why not be a homer? 

Seriously, Harbaugh has said that he wanted to see Dixon get more involved in the offense. Our O line is healthier (which I can only hope means they'll be more effective), they've had time to work on a few things over the bye and hopefully part of that is getting the RBs more involved in the game - both rushing and passing. On top of it all, the Steelers run D hasn't been what you'd call impressive. 

I would love to see Dixon become a positive on a team that has been short on positives in the 2016 season. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

As far as the pick it's self, who are the other key guys in your opinion? Because for me if those guys aren't producing right away I can't see how they could be considered key players other than having big names and college production.

I hope he does become a hybrid type of player.  Im with you on thinking that Dodd was our target and i was hoping Ogbah would be our guy, but obviously both gone.  I was one of the guys all about Myles Jack but im glad we didnt take him and i say that not looking at this year at all, just the fact of the injury, i was in love with his college film but thats too much of a risk. 

I would of rather had Spence, Ngaokoue, Nick Martin, Cravens, or Alexander.  Im throwing those names out there not looking at production this year, im trying not to play the hindsight game, those were names i was interested in pre-draft.   All this being said, i am in now way on par with you guys who watch game film, this is just me picking guys who i would prefer we draft, just like how i really wanted jakeem grant as a RS.  But like i said, i hope KC turns into the monster we all want, i do trust in Oz. 

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Ngaokoue is a guy who was dubbed as a pass rush only guy. So you have to weigh your opinion of what really helps this team overall. Without going too much into the comparison on the NFL level because they are both so young in their careers, the Ravens are looking for that 3 down guy who can come close to adding to this defense what a guy like Suggs can. If you what Correa he's a 3 tool guy, I know that's more of a baseball term but the fact is he can be stout against the run. Even tough he needs to develop, he can rush the passer(better as a blitzer right now) and he can drop into coverage making smart reads while doing so.

I would rather have a guy that does one thing pretty good than a guy that doesnt excel at anything.  I know KC has the upside, but in the second round i just figured we would of taken someone more productive right out of the gate. 

52 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I think  K.C was drafted  because of  his versatility and how he could potentially  fill two positions for The Ravens. I don't think this guy was drafted base off pure pass rush ability alone. I think Ozzie and others knew they weren't quite sure on who was going to start next to CJ Mosley and they definitely needed a linebacker with enough speed to play in space which KC demonstrated in college while playing inside linebacker at times. His 3 cone drill time even proves he has the ability to play in space and he demonstrated on tape that he understood zone coverage responsibilities which is something that stood out to me. It's hard to really compare him  to Ngaokoue even though both were productive as pass rushers in college but Correa is more intriguing because he brings more to the defense than just a pass rusher that comes in on obvious passing down only like Ngaokoue.

Im not really comparing the two per-say, moreso just as one id rather have, it would be like comparing a RB and a WR.  

Edited November 5, 2016 by usmccharles

[hn68wb4]

33 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Steeler Fans are saying, "We're underdogs in this one. We play better as the underdog..."

Raven fans (we) are saying, "We're underdogs in this one. We play better as the underdog..."

Other insiders are saying, "When the Ravens Defense and the Steelers Offense is on the field stay put. They be some good football...". They say take a bathroom break when they change possession.

This s going to be interesting. Ravens win by 2 scores. GO Ravens!!!

I'd like to ask "what universe are you living in?" to Steeler fans, by what metric are they the underdogs? Sure people aren't choosing a blowout and the amount of people choosing the Ravens to win isn't insignificant but it's certainly not a majority, or even close to one.

Edited November 5, 2016 by hn68wb4

[January J]

3 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

None of those guys are playing. I'm most disappointed by KC. I thought he played well with added snaps and want to see how he develops on field. Injuries continue to hamper these young guys development. 

On another note, i'm not excited that Gilmore is hurt, but excited to see Waller get more snaps. If Marty uses his size and speed to attack the middle of the field it could open up so much for Wallace and Perriman deep, Pitta and SSS/Aiken underneath. 

Same here, been waiting to see waller actually get some targets.. They need utilize his size and speed up the seam and in the redzone.

Edited November 5, 2016 by January J

[January J]

18 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Looking for a surprise good day for Dixon. 

With injuries and bye week killing my fantasy RB group, I was forced to pluck from a pool of nameless backup RBs for help. I opted for Dixon. Under the circumstances, why not be a homer? 

Seriously, Harbaugh has said that he wanted to see Dixon get more involved in the offense. Our O line is healthier (which I can only hope means they'll be more effective), they've had time to work on a few things over the bye and hopefully part of that is getting the RBs more involved in the game - both rushing and passing. On top of it all, the Steelers run D hasn't been what you'd call impressive. 

I would love to see Dixon become a positive on a team that has been short on positives in the 2016 season. 

That's not a bad idea...all that talent he showed in college and preseason wasn't a fluke. He's got the tools, now that our line is healthy a surprise big game from him wouldn't be farfetched at all. Heck even talioferro might do some damage in short yardage/goal line situations.

[balfan23]

12 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

The Ravens aren’t the worst team in the NFL, but they are the worst RedZone team in the NFL. They force their way into our living rooms, masquerading as a decent team in close games, and then they, uh:

Given how inept they’ve been late, it’s a miracle they’ve even been in these games to begin with.

^ Real talk!!

Now get out there and FIX THIS JUNK!!

GO RAVENS!!

... masquerading as a decent team ... man, that hurts, but then the truth does that. 

That's why it is so hard to get a read on this team. You just see enough from them to make you think they should be good, then they just go to pieces (too often in the red zone) and you are left wondering what they really are. 

Fix this junk ... couldn't agree more. Hope a healthier O line will help. 

[balfan23]

4 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

None of those guys are playing. I'm most disappointed by KC. I thought he played well with added snaps and want to see how he develops on field. Injuries continue to hamper these young guys development. 

On another note, i'm not excited that Gilmore is hurt, but excited to see Waller get more snaps. If Marty uses his size and speed to attack the middle of the field it could open up so much for Wallace and Perriman deep, Pitta and SSS/Aiken underneath. 

Gilmore has been one of the year's disappointments for me. He looked good last year, then got hurt. This year I was thinking that if he can stay healthy, he can have an impact ... especially after Watson went down. Well, he was healthy, but he did very little to help ... and now he's hurt. 

Look at the investments we have made at TE. Pitta with a pretty hefty contract. Watson on an FA deal. A 2nd, 3rd, 5th round pick and now we're looking the 6th round WR to provide help. That's a lot of resources going to one position ... one that hasn't really been performing that well. Hope Waller can have an impact and that Boyle can return and be as effective as we've seen him be (just stay off the juice!). Next year, I really would like to see Watson return healthy and please, let Maxx have physically matured to be able to be the player we traded up in the 2nd to get. 

[52520Andrew]

On 11/3/2016 at 4:36 PM, wizard1 said:

I would like to get the fans together and collectively say we are not gonna take this anymore and perhaps through our unity make some much needed change in the structure of our team. 

If we can get the Flock flying in the same direction we can start a stampede and put an end to this madness. because if we don't we will be mired in mediocrity for years to come. I don't want us to be an NFL laughingstock like the Browns, Jets, Bears and Jaguars. We are better than that!

C'mon Wizard, I thought you were more realistic than that. You really think the big guys come on here to see our opinions on these sorts of things? You really think Steve is looking here when trying to figure out what he wants to do with this team?  That is just silly

[Ravensfan23]

36 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I hope he does become a hybrid type of player.  Im with on thinking that Dodd was our target and i was hoping Ogbah would be our guy, but obviously both gone.  I was one of the guys all about Myles Jack but im glad we didnt take him and i say that not looking at this year at all, just the fact of the injury, i was in love with his college film but thats too much of a risk. 

I would of rather had Spence, Ngaokoue, Nick Martin, Cravens, or Alexander.  Im throwing those names out there not looking at production this year, im trying not to play the hindsight game, those were names i was interested in pre-draft.   All this being said, i am in now way on par with you guys who watch game film, this is just me picking guys who i would prefer we draft, just like how i really wanted jakeem grant as a RS.  But like i said, i hope KC turns into the monster we all want, i do trust in Oz. 

I would rather have a guy that does one thing pretty good than a guy that doesnt excel at anything.  I know KC has the upside, but in the second round i just figured we would of taken someone more productive right out of the gate. 

Im not really comparing the two per-say, moreso just as one id rather have, it would be like comparing a RB and a WR.  

I appreciate the honest view. I don't think there was a single person including myself who was pounding the table for Correa pre-draft. But after really watching him I thought the Ravens potentially got a really good and possibly great player. There's some rough edges to him but I really think this guy will be a huge part of the defense. I think other guys could have easily be taken, but I think it's more so what fits for the Ravens. 

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, balfan23 said:

Gilmore has been one of the year's disappointments for me. He looked good last year, then got hurt. This year I was thinking that if he can stay healthy, he can have an impact ... especially after Watson went down. Well, he was healthy, but he did very little to help ... and now he's hurt. 

Look at the investments we have made at TE. Pitta with a pretty hefty contract. Watson on an FA deal. A 2nd, 3rd, 5th round pick and now we're looking the 6th round WR to provide help. That's a lot of resources going to one position ... one that hasn't really been performing that well. Hope Waller can have an impact and that Boyle can return and be as effective as we've seen him be (just stay off the juice!). Next year, I really would like to see Watson return healthy and please, let Maxx have physically matured to be able to be the player we traded up in the 2nd to get. 

Yea it's crazy how TE was supposed to be one of the stronger positions but than injuries happened. Now it looks like the 2 guys who many thought were the odd men out because of their suspensions will probably have larger roles during the back half of the season or atleast I hope so. I think Nick Boyle is underrated.

I hope Maxx can get right because I think he's a guy who can be a difference maker for this offense and take move for Pitta in the coming years. Injuries suck. 

[January J]

30 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I appreciate the honest view. I don't think there was a single person including myself who was pounding the table for Correa pre-draft. But after really watching him I thought the Ravens potentially got a really good and possibly great player. There's some rough edges to him but I really think this guy will be a huge part of the defense. I think other guys could have easily be taken, but I think it's more so what fits for the Ravens. 

And its a shame that kafusi had to go down and set back his development a whole year. Seems like he's almost been forgotten. Fans forget we actually have invested picks and FAs to patch our weaknesses, injuries have just set us back big time. First everybody was clamoring for a number 1 or first round receiver.. Ozzie picked perriman and we all know the rest of the story..now he's basically 8 weeks into his career with no camp time. Then everybody was complaining about the o line and pass rush... We took Stanley at 6 ( who's been above par when healthy) and then 2 pass rushers back to back. We also found a gem in tavon young and Matt judon. And that's not including the guys we brought in via FA like Weddle Wallace and Watson. Injuries have killed us but its gonna take some time for these guys to develop. However I think we have a great core of young players to look forward to. Peirce, KC,Tavon,Stanley,Perriman,Judon, Waller , and Dixon will all be cornerstones of this team moving forward. We've got ALOT of young talent. And weve still got guys going into their prime such as Mosley, jimmy - and key vets like Yanda and Weddle. On paper we've got a strong unit, just gotta put it all together and utilize them properly.