CBA

[K-Dog]

How often is the Collective Bargaining Agreement nnegoatied?

I was talking with someone  (or maybe I read it. Either way . ) recently, about practices and how much non contact there is. Not just camp but regular season as well.

I am just speculating this could not only have an effect on injuries but overall performance as well.

I am curious if there could be change on the horizon or it is a few years off or if this is one of those things that will never change . 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

How often is the Collective Bargaining Agreement nnegoatied?

I was talking with someone  (or maybe I read it. Either way . ) recently, about practices and how much non contact there is. Not just camp but regular season as well.

I am just speculating this could not only have an effect on injuries but overall performance as well.

I am curious if there could be change on the horizon or it is a few years off or if this is one of those things that will never change . 

Current CBA runs through the 2020 season, so we are five seasons away from a new one technically needed to be discussed.

Per different reports, the NFL and NFLPA are in the process of discussing extending the current CBA in the near future. If you believe some reports, the NFLPA is expected to fight for more practice time as part of this discussion.

[AsianRice]

Some players don't want to practice more; remember, one year players complained that John was making them practicing too hard.

 

It's gonna be tough to get more practice time for the players...

[jboy19]

7 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

How often is the Collective Bargaining Agreement nnegoatied?

I was talking with someone  (or maybe I read it. Either way . ) recently, about practices and how much non contact there is. Not just camp but regular season as well.

I am just speculating this could not only have an effect on injuries but overall performance as well.

I am curious if there could be change on the horizon or it is a few years off or if this is one of those things that will never change . 

rmcjacket's right about the details. But I don't think the practice rules change much. Players pushed hard to get rid of the regularity of padded practices. I found this NFL.com article from 2011 (right after the CBA was approved) stating the problems they expected to arise from the cutting down of practices. It's like they had a crystal ball. http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d8215c8ab/article/how-practice-changes-could-negatively-impact-nfl-games . 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

rmcjacket's right about the details. But I don't think the practice rules change much. Players pushed hard to get rid of the regularity of padded practices. I found this NFL.com article from 2011 (right after the CBA was approved) stating the problems they expected to arise from the cutting down of practices. It's like they had a crystal ball. http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d8215c8ab/article/how-practice-changes-could-negatively-impact-nfl-games . 

Yeah I guess the question is whether the Players have realized their mistake and seek to correct it. Hard to tell whether the NFL would be pro or against more practices. In theory, given the obvious reduction in viewership and ratings decline of NFL games and the perceived "decline" in quality of play, the NFL would seem to be interested in agreeing to a Player proposal that gives them an opportunity to increase quality and thus increase viewership.

I guess it would be on the NFLPA to sell to the Owners that more practices/practice time would help remedy the situation.

Would think the only other "hot button" issue with earlier negotiations would be over Commissioner oversight of the discipline process. Despite what Roger has said and what fans think, I'm not convinced he's interested in giving that up right now, and frankly, I don't think its as big of an issue for the players as the fans and public seem to think it is.

People need to understand that only a very small fraction of the NFL player pool will ever face league discipline for anything, so they aren't motivated to seek change, since the NFL will likely want a concession on another issue to offset that.

Welcome to the horrendous world of Unions and collective bargaining.

Edited October 26, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[jboy19]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah I guess the question is whether the Players have realized their mistake and seek to correct it. Hard to tell whether the NFL would be pro or against more practices. In theory, given the obvious reduction in viewership and ratings decline of NFL games and the perceived "decline" in quality of play, the NFL would seem to be interested in agreeing to a Player proposal that gives them an opportunity to increase quality and thus increase viewership.

I guess it would be on the NFLPA to sell to the Owners that more practices/practice time would help remedy the situation.

Would think the only other "hot button" issue with earlier negotiations would be over Commissioner oversight of the discipline process. Despite what Roger has said and what fans think, I'm not convinced he's interested in giving that up right now, and frankly, I don't think its as big of an issue for the players as the fans and public seem to think it is.

People need to understand that only a very small fraction of the NFL player pool will ever face league discipline for anything, so they aren't motivated to seek change, since the NFL will likely want a concession on another issue to offset that.

Welcome to the horrendous world of Unions and collective bargaining.

I don't think that Goodell is giving up his authority and there's not really a good reason to, he's on the same level as the other Commissioners. Collective Bargaining is such a disaster that they'll probably stick with the current CBA.

I think that less practices has had benefits in regards to CTE and need for more treatment (painkillers and such for the usual soreness that comes with having more physical practices), so that alone probably keeps things the way they are. 

[rmcjacket23]

58 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I don't think that Goodell is giving up his authority and there's not really a good reason to, he's on the same level as the other Commissioners. Collective Bargaining is such a disaster that they'll probably stick with the current CBA.

I think that less practices has had benefits in regards to CTE and need for more treatment (painkillers and such for the usual soreness that comes with having more physical practices), so that alone probably keeps things the way they are. 

In general agree on the head injury part, but the Owners are pretty reactionary to current events. When the last CBA was put in, concussions was the hot topic. They were in the midst of a major lawsuit that was going to cost the owners hundreds of millions of dollars. So they wanted measures put in place to help prevent that from happening again (or at least appear to prevent it).

If another year or two goes by and ratings are declining and revenue's start to have diminishing returns, Owners will react to that. And if the NFLPA can convince them that more practices will help that, they will agree to it in theory.

But in general wouldn't expect any significant changes to a CBA if an extension is agreed to. Both sides seem reasonably content at the moment.