Enough Webb?

[rmcjacket23]

57 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

Its guaranteed we will see a big roster turnover on both sides of the ball. If Webb doesn't agree to another paycut, he's gone as well as Wright. Question is, who do we replace them with next season. Nobody on the roster is capable of replacing Webb at this point. Only thing he has done wrong to this point is fail to make a couple open field tackles on OBJ. It's not like he's blowing coverages every game. 

I agree in theory. The problem is... what if we finish like 5-11 or 6-10, something like that. That's back to back very bad seasons.

At that point, most teams don't just keep people because "well we don't have anybody else better to replace with him with". The reality is that even if we see moderate roster turnover, its impossible to replace or even upgrade all of those positions in a given year. When teams have consecutive seasons like that, there's no point in keeping highly paid players around when you can't win while they are here. You cut them and replace them with cheaper players in the hopes they become more talented. 

If we did a moderate "roster gut", where we keep like 5-6 key veterans and we ditch guys like Webb, Dumervil, etc., that's the kind of rebuild that takes multiple seasons. We will be weaker in 2017 at some spots than we are this year... that's a foregone conclusion when you do something like that.

My guess is they offer him a short term extension for a lower cap hit and less money. 

[JimmyBlack]

9 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I agree in theory. The problem is... what if we finish like 5-11 or 6-10, something like that. That's back to back very bad seasons.

At that point, most teams don't just keep people because "well we don't have anybody else better to replace with him with". The reality is that even if we see moderate roster turnover, its impossible to replace or even upgrade all of those positions in a given year. When teams have consecutive seasons like that, there's no point in keeping highly paid players around when you can't win while they are here. You cut them and replace them with cheaper players in the hopes they become more talented. 

If we did a moderate "roster gut", where we keep like 5-6 key veterans and we ditch guys like Webb, Dumervil, etc., that's the kind of rebuild that takes multiple seasons. We will be weaker in 2017 at some spots than we are this year... that's a foregone conclusion when you do something like that.

My guess is they offer him a short term extension for a lower cap hit and less money. 

I was on the bandwagon thinking that we would get close to .500 this year but 5 or 6 wins will be a reality if we don't learn how to: (a) stop making stupid penalties, (b) stop the opponent's passing game over a complete game, (c) utilize the running game, (d) prevent that big-play drive in the 4th quarter.

[rmcjacket23]

16 minutes ago, JimmyBlack said:

I was on the bandwagon thinking that we would get close to .500 this year but 5 or 6 wins will be a reality if we don't learn how to: (a) stop making stupid penalties, (b) stop the opponent's passing game over a complete game, (c) utilize the running game, (d) prevent that big-play drive in the 4th quarter.

I think we are a 6-7 win team at this point. I want to see what happens when we get healthier, and hopefully coming out of the bye that will happen.

If we were to go 7-9 or 8-8, I don't think you'll see a lot of wholesale changes. We're older at some positions and I think we will focus on getting more youth and talent there (pass rusher, corner, maybe safety).

The funny thing is... the offense has been by far the weakest unit, and yet, I don't see how we make wide-sweeping personnel changes there.

Joe's obviously not going anywhere, we've got youth at RB so guys like West and Dixon are probably locks to be back, and at TE even if we were to dump Pitta and Watson you've still got guys like Crockett, Maxx, Boyle and Waller. Could probably use an upgrade there but that's not that significant I don't think.

I think 60% of the offensive line is locked in... Stanley, Yanda and Lewis. If we let Wagner walk, Lewis probably goes to RT, and then you're basically looking at LG and Center. Zuttah probably isn't back so Center is an upgrade-able spot, and we could always look to add a Guard, but Jensen and Urschel aren't bad options there either.

WR would be the major area, but Perriman and Moore are already here, and Wallace seems to be doing well enough to stay. I suppose Aiken could be resigned to take SSS place, but we may look for an upgrade at that spot. 

So for me, while the offense looks like it has some talent and depth issues, I don't see more than really maybe 2-3 positions where we would upgrade. 

Most of it seems to come on the defensive side of the ball in my opinion, and they really haven't played that poorly.

[RavensFan34950]

35 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I agree in theory. The problem is... what if we finish like 5-11 or 6-10, something like that. That's back to back very bad seasons.

At that point, most teams don't just keep people because "well we don't have anybody else better to replace with him with". The reality is that even if we see moderate roster turnover, its impossible to replace or even upgrade all of those positions in a given year. When teams have consecutive seasons like that, there's no point in keeping highly paid players around when you can't win while they are here. You cut them and replace them with cheaper players in the hopes they become more talented. 

If we did a moderate "roster gut", where we keep like 5-6 key veterans and we ditch guys like Webb, Dumervil, etc., that's the kind of rebuild that takes multiple seasons. We will be weaker in 2017 at some spots than we are this year... that's a foregone conclusion when you do something like that.

My guess is they offer him a short term extension for a lower cap hit and less money. 

That's basically what I was trying to say. I'm not saying we should keep Webb or Doom past this season with their current salary. They need to take a pay cut this off-season, or get cut simple as that. But I'm talking about this current season, there is no reason to bench Webb for Matt Elam. 

[spitfire418]

Still mad about Terrence Brooks being cut. We could actually use him this year, but now he's gone. I think he'd be a good SS/LB. Webb does need to go though. Weddle is playing good so far this year, but we need someone besides Webb back there with him. Sadly I don't think we have that on the roster right now. Maybe Elam can do something when he gets healthy, but I'm not expecting much. Plus I don't like him at FS. I say we draft Malik Hooker from OSU to be our FS next year. That dude is a straight up baller and would be a hell of a FS with Weddle at SS. Or we could trade and get Brooks back 

[PurpleCity5]

We can talk about benching Webb but you don't have a guy like Karl Joseph (ala Raiders) waiting right behind him ready to take his spot when need be. You're looking at Matt Elam, or Marqueston Huff... Those guys could legit break this defense. 

[VermontRaven]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

We can talk about benching Webb but you don't have a guy like Karl Joseph (ala Raiders) waiting right behind him ready to take his spot when need be. You're looking at Matt Elam, or Marqueston Huff... Those guys could legit break this defense. 

Agreed.  Bottom line is Webb has been respectable at safety..Not great..not worth his salary.  But, we're stuck with his salary for this season and like you said, he is our best option right now.  Obviously, I think he is gone after this season (unless he agrees to a MAJOR pay cut), but you put the best player you have right now on the field at each position.

[PurpleCity5]

15 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

Agreed.  Bottom line is Webb has been respectable at safety..Not great..not worth his salary.  But, we're stuck with his salary for this season and like you said, he is our best option right now.  Obviously, I think he is gone after this season (unless he agrees to a MAJOR pay cut), but you put the best player you have right now on the field at each position.

He's serviceable at this moment. He's not a game breaking safety and he's not going to blow us away like Weddle, but what better option do we have? Elam has not played in a long time and the last we've seen him, it wasn't a good sight. Huff is just a serious question mark also. Back to Webb, I don't know if he's even going to be able to take another pay cut. I think he's redone his deal twice now? I don't think the team would want to do it for a third time and would rather move on. Clock is ticking right now but unless he completely explodes and plays like a top 10 safety, then its doubtful that he'll be given the chance to return. He's only going to decline at this rate and right now you would rather just have a more athletic safety back there. It's not his mentality. It's clearly his age and mobility right now.

[Cillmatic]

Looks like he'll be getting quite a bit of time at CB