[News] Eisenberg: The Key To Maneuvering Out Of Ravens' 'Dark Place'

[BR News]

Everything starts and ends with the Ravens offensive line. If the team is going to move out of darkness into light, the unit needs to get healthy, protect Joe Flacco and open running lanes.

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[AlwaysA_Raven]

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

[ravens4life86]

The Oline is an issue or has been yes. But more so the issue is.. No Commitment to running the football. For 2 straight years its been Chuck&Duck offense. How many times does Harbaugh have to be told 6-19 when Joe passes 40x or more. Under the Trestman,Marty Era thats all they do. All these games are 1 possession except Browns game, you should be running it 30x a game.
Get back to Ravens identity Smashmouth football.

If things dont change with running the football more both Marty&Harbaugh will be out of jobs

[The Greek]

since the front office has whiffed on many draft picks in recent years they should trade for proven players even if it costs them a 1st 2nd or 3rd. they need to fix that o-line and find another anquan boldin. trade deadline is nov 1st. hope we do something to improve this offense or secondary

[TheConquerorWorm]

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

[steelraven]

  35 minutes ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

Well Flacco is the 29th rank QB in QBR rating. Do you actually think he deserves $25 million a year? You don't get paid for what you did in the past, this is a what have you done for me lately league and lately the Ravens aren't getting what they paid for. They were better off putting that money elsewhere

[PalmBayRaven]

  34 minutes ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

All those guys you just listed - All playing better than Flacco. So yeah we could get someone a lot cheaper to Suck as Bad as Flacco has. At any rate we are more or less stuck with Flacco until 2018 and then we can dump him. Blame that on poor contracts, just like Eugene Monroe. Fact of the matter is Flacco has sucked since signing the big contract not once but twice. The Ravens screwed up big time on this one and it will hurt for a long long time. Who knows though we can always hope for the best.

[The Mom Gene]

Everyone wanted us to take Tunsil over Stanley in the draft... While they mention all of these guys that have been difference makers in the draft, Tunsil has been out injured as well.

[sami]

52 minutes ago, The Greek said:

since the front office has whiffed on many draft picks in recent years they should trade for proven players even if it costs them a 1st 2nd or 3rd. they need to fix that o-line and find another anquan boldin. trade deadline is nov 1st. hope we do something to improve this offense or secondary

yeah cuz Anquan Boldin has helped so many teams since he was with us. Hes gone, hes not that great, let's try to get past him.

Edited October 25, 2016 by sami

[sami]

  43 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  1 hour ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

All those guys you just listed - All playing better than Flacco. So yeah we could get someone a lot cheaper to Suck as Bad as Flacco has. At any rate we are more or less stuck with Flacco until 2018 and then we can dump him. Blame that on poor contracts, just like Eugene Monroe. Fact of the matter is Flacco has sucked since signing the big contract not once but twice. The Ravens screwed up big time on this one and it will hurt for a long long time. Who knows though we can always hope for the best.

No QB is any good without a good front line. Stanley was a great draft pickup. He was an ironman in college. He got hurt. it happens. Our 4th round pick is a very good guard but only an ave. tackle. When most of ur OL is hurt its hard to protect the QB.

[AlwaysA_Raven]

28 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.



 

 

Thank you for the efforts you put into this detailed response. Just at the outset, I am not a Flacco hater. I just expect him to play like the 4th highest paid QB. If the QB cannot perform at that level for whatever reason, be it bad OL or bad shoulder, or even bad luck then it would be insane to put close to 20% of the salary cap there. Such money should go towards a better run game. There are a lot of QBs who are paid in the same category as Flacco but the majority of them are able to carry their team when needed. Most of them are leaders who are able to develop and groom rookie WRs when necessary and make journey WRs look good. Some of the names include Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Bardy, Matt Rayn, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Russel Wilson; all are paid less than Flacco btw. To make my point clearer, Ryan Mallett is being paid less than 1 Million this year. Do you really think the level at which Flacco is playing justifies the 24 million in pay differential? Just imagine what you can do with a $24 million to the OL. I know that there is little to do at this point and my venting would not change his contract or the dead money we will have to carry in case he is cut but honestly someone has to put some fire under his seat and remind him why he is being paid what he is being paid.

[merryjman]

When did Flacco play his best? When the Ravens sat McKinnie for the second half of the season and he was fresh for the playoffs. The O line was solid for the whole playoff run, and Flacco threw 11 touchdowns, 0 interceptions and won a Super Bowl.

So yeah, I agree with Eisenberg that you can't really judge a QB without looking at his line.

[The Greek]

  56 minutes ago, The Greek said:

since the front office has whiffed on many draft picks in recent years they should trade for proven players even if it costs them a 1st 2nd or 3rd. they need to fix that o-line and find another anquan boldin. trade deadline is nov 1st. hope we do something to improve this offense or secondary

yeah cuz Anquan Boldin has helped so many teams since he was with us. Hes gone, hes not that great, let's try to get past him.

34 receptions for 272 yards and 4 td's at age 36 is a lot better than what we have thus far sami aside from maybe wallace. i would take him in a heartbeat.

[Fastynart]

That is baloney. The line gave Flacco time on numerous occasions and he flubbed his chances. He constantly overthrew receivers and threw into the hands of defenders. I am sick and tired of excuses being made for his poor performances. If he was hurt, then Harbaugh should have started Mallett. He certainly should have relieved Flacco in the second half. Instead he does what he always does, nothing. Then looks for blame elsewhere. Nothing will improve until Bisciotti has enough and kicks Harbaugh and his incompetent crew of coaches out. Oh, and take Ozzie too. His poor drafting has left the Ravens bereft of talent. Perriman is the latest. School is still out on Stanley.

[bluehen]

There is no quick fix for this mess, they could not put teams away before the injuries started. Please no Fairy Dust, or the Tinker Bell affect.

[pocket]

35 minutes ago, Fastynart said:

That is baloney. The line gave Flacco time on numerous occasions and he flubbed his chances. He constantly overthrew receivers and threw into the hands of defenders. I am sick and tired of excuses being made for his poor performances. If he was hurt, then Harbaugh should have started Mallett. He certainly should have relieved Flacco in the second half. Instead he does what he always does, nothing. Then looks for blame elsewhere. Nothing will improve until Bisciotti has enough and kicks Harbaugh and his incompetent crew of coaches out. Oh, and take Ozzie too. His poor drafting has left the Ravens bereft of talent. Perriman is the latest. School is still out on Stanley.

They have been big on drafting 'good people' over good players. When Modell first sat down with John, he said " You win with good people; smart, you can make them smart". That is good if you want a bunch of friendly co-workers, not if you want the best possible roster. They have to be plug and play. All our best drafted players are retired. To be honest, we have never drafted a good wr, bell cow outside JL and qb is to be determined right now. Should talk to the steelers about their WR / RB scouting.

Edited October 25, 2016 by pocket

[Tower of Power]

Let's give a chance to Tyrod. Oh, he's with the Buffaloes. Josh Johnson was remarkably good in preseason, why keep him? Maybe Jah Reed and Oher, or even Shipley, could help - but... sorry... I forgot they are elsewhere. I remember a Chris Chester too, isn't he starting somewhere? And we were right to pay Flacco and not KO, most certainly. And I guess we did not sign back Daryl Smith because he wasn't missing enough games to deserve to be on the team. But then why let Monroe go? He certainly qualified as a game-misser. We don't want bad boys with modern and innovative ideas, of course. Would Myers be so much worse than ... you name it. I watch every game, and I still think we should be 6 and one [thanks coaches for not taking the points that were there], but I fear this next one will be our best week of football, we are not going to lose next Sunday. Enjoy Halloween players and fans - there won't be much to cheer about after that.

[btfan2]

When did Flacco play his best? When the Ravens sat McKinnie for the second half of the season and he was fresh for the playoffs. The O line was solid for the whole playoff run, and Flacco threw 11 touchdowns, 0 interceptions and won a Super Bowl.

So yeah, I agree with Eisenberg that you can't really judge a QB without looking at his line.

I agree 100% with Eisenberg it starts and ends with the O-line. Running and passing. Does Joe have some responsibility yes but; he IS NOT the major problem.

We keep having the same problems over and over and over. Is Joe dropping the ball is Joe running the wrong routes, is Joe not getting open, is Joe not opening lanes for the running backs? Is joe calling the losing game plan. Is Joe getting an excessive amount of penalties? Yes, Joe is to slow to the line and Joe is not leading this team. And you have beaten the mechanic's to death- hoRA!! But; Joes mechanics are part of a long list of recurring problems that never get fixed. Come on people it's a team sport.

Everyone on the team except maybe Justin and crew needs to step up. The coaching staff needs to stop phoning it in and stop giving away points, also we need to develop our WR's for once and the "D" needs to stop giving away TD's. And that bend don't break, we won't even go there. I'm sure all this will happen before the next game, yeah..

What's the sum total of all this, chaos. Who's head does all this disarray fall on??? OH well lets blame it "all" on Joe.....

And why do we keep drafting a bunch of sissies? Does anyone in the FO do their homework???

But; John says all this stuff is easily correctable, just not by him.

[b93333]

  1 hour ago, PalmBayRaven said:

  2 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  2 hours ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

All those guys you just listed - All playing better than Flacco. So yeah we could get someone a lot cheaper to Suck as Bad as Flacco has. At any rate we are more or less stuck with Flacco until 2018 and then we can dump him. Blame that on poor contracts, just like Eugene Monroe. Fact of the matter is Flacco has sucked since signing the big contract not once but twice. The Ravens screwed up big time on this one and it will hurt for a long long time. Who knows though we can always hope for the best.

No QB is any good without a good front line. Stanley was a great draft pickup. He was an ironman in college. He got hurt. it happens. Our 4th round pick is a very good guard but only an ave. tackle. When most of ur OL is hurt its hard to protect the QB.

Still drinking the purple kool-aide?

[usmccharles]

10 rushing attempts with such a close game, no excuse. 

[gr2522]

Mr. Eisenberg last week you claimed that the Jets game was not a "must win" game and sadly the Ravens must have believed you. Now you blame the o-line for the shortcomings of the offense. Well the o-line players haven't dropped passes, failed to gain any separation from defenders, and most importantly under thrown or over thrown passes to open receivers when pass protection existed. Heck, even the defense has regressed. Be honest to yourself and lay the blame where it all begins which is with John Harbaugh. Go Ravens!!!

[Ugly Ball]

I really though this O-line was going to be a problem this year when they decided to throw a rook in at left tackle and they let Monroe go...!

[pocket]

Yanda is the best player when healthy. Remember, when the steelers won a super bowl without an offensive line or running game? Going into the draft they said stanley is one dimensional. We like to try to find hidden value. Which is hit or miss. Why they accumulate so many draft choices. To not have a total loss.

Edited October 25, 2016 by pocket

[metalraven]

  5 hours ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

Correct. It is the market, and Flacco inevitably got the market value. I think the argument is that he hasn't even been close to living up to it. However, the Ravens had to pay him. If not, it's back to the drawing board.

[metalraven]

Yanda is the best player when healthy. Remember, when the steelers won a super bowl without an offensive line or running game? Going into the draft they said stanley is one dimensional. We like to try to find hidden value. Which is hit or miss. Why they accumulate so many draft choices. To not have a total loss.

Stanley's value was not "hidden." He was a top 10 pick, no matter what. The dude was and is a great pass protector. That's a smart move. He's not the best run blocker, but he's intelligent and hard working, which means he WILL become a great all around linemen.

[metalraven]

I really though this O-line was going to be a problem this year when they decided to throw a rook in at left tackle and they let Monroe go...!

Even if Monroe was still here, it's not like he'd be playing. He was always hurt.

[4everraven]

The current state of the team has been building up for years. Everyone knows this. Flacco overall hasn't played well since the SB victory. Generally no difference makers or play makers have been brought in. Very few players have been developed. The vast majority of games follow the same script. Things that are supposedly easily corrected never get corrected. The team is seemingly always playing with a malaise instead of urgency and energy. Realizing this and knowing it's been going on for years leads to only one conclusion. A total rebuild that can take years is required. It must start with the FO and then down through the coaching staff and finally the players. Figure out now if the young players on the team can develop. If not gradually move on from them as well as the veterans. Let the new FO and coaches build the team from there.

 Nothing is working for this team. No doubt the FO, coaches, and players have tried their best over the years but is hasn't been good enough to turn this downward spiral around. 

 I love the Ravens just as most on these boards do, but it is evident the organization as currently constructed is not capable of turning this around. They've been great in the past but not now. I hope I'm wrong about all this, but it's finally hit me that the current organization has had its swan song and the future with this organization belongs to others. 

[TheConquerorWorm]

  9 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.



 

 

Thank you for the efforts you put into this detailed response. Just at the outset, I am not a Flacco hater. I just expect him to play like the 4th highest paid QB. If the QB cannot perform at that level for whatever reason, be it bad OL or bad shoulder, or even bad luck then it would be insane to put close to 20% of the salary cap there. Such money should go towards a better run game. There are a lot of QBs who are paid in the same category as Flacco but the majority of them are able to carry their team when needed. Most of them are leaders who are able to develop and groom rookie WRs when necessary and make journey WRs look good. Some of the names include Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Bardy, Matt Rayn, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Russel Wilson; all are paid less than Flacco btw. To make my point clearer, Ryan Mallett is being paid less than 1 Million this year. Do you really think the level at which Flacco is playing justifies the 24 million in pay differential? Just imagine what you can do with a $24 million to the OL. I know that there is little to do at this point and my venting would not change his contract or the dead money we will have to carry in case he is cut but honestly someone has to put some fire under his seat and remind him why he is being paid what he is being paid.

Yet, Drew Brees is 2-4 and Cam is 1-6. Maybe the Panthers should follow the advice on here and fire Rivera & cut Newton. Andrew Luck, Philip Rivers, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill & Marcus Mariota are all 3-4.

Bottom line is you need a proven winning QB to win in this league. I don't care how good your O-line is, you're not winning anything with Ryan Mallet. (See Cowboys: 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 or Cleveland with Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Bitonio)

[Halshayeji]

  14 hours ago, The Greek said:

since the front office has whiffed on many draft picks in recent years they should trade for proven players even if it costs them a 1st 2nd or 3rd. they need to fix that o-line and find another anquan boldin. trade deadline is nov 1st. hope we do something to improve this offense or secondary

yeah cuz Anquan Boldin has helped so many teams since he was with us. Hes gone, hes not that great, let's try to get past him.

Its definately time to get over Boldin as hes done. But please dont make that claim. Boldin left Baltimore and had 2 thousand yard seasons back to back while we struggled to find a consistant pass catcher.

[Halshayeji]

  14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  15 hours ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

The OL admittedly did not help much, but I also believe the outcome would have been very different if Joe is doing half what a $25million/yr is expected to do. If he cannot, it would have been better then to settle for any $10milion/yr QB or even a rookie QB and invest the difference in an OL that can make a difference in the run game. Having that said, I do not see the OL going anywhere this year with Zuttah at Center; it's like having 4-men OL with a huge hole in the middle. 

So tired of hearing this Flacco contract argument. He's getting paid what the average successful QB is getting paid. Romo is making $18 million, Kap is making $19 million, Cousins is making $20 million, Tannehill is making $20 million, Carson Palmer is making $25 million.

Do you even know what a $10 million QB looks like?
Here's your options (not on rookie deal):
Ryan Fitzpatrick = $12 million
RG3 = $ 7.5 million
Chase Daniel = $7 million
Josh McCown = $ 4.6 million
Chad Henne = $ 4 million.

Do you know what a crap shoot drafting a QB is without having a Top 3 overall pick?Johnny Manziel, EJ Manual, Geno Smith, Paxton Lynch, Christian Hackenberg, etc. In the last 4 drafts, 42 QBs have been drafted after the Top 3 picks - exactly 3 have made any impact (Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott). 3 outta 42! That's a 7% success rate. 7%! Those are not good odds to waste a 1st, 2nd or 3 round pick on.

Correct. It is the market, and Flacco inevitably got the market value. I think the argument is that he hasn't even been close to living up to it. However, the Ravens had to pay him. If not, it's back to the drawing board.

Great point. The Ravens indeed had to pay him!

My only problem is how they payed him and when. You dont pay a QB right after a SB win. Of course your gonna pay extra. and you absolutely dont throw record breaking cash at a guy whos rehabbing an ACL. Even Flacco admitted that he was surprised and couldnt say no.

Oh well. Thats all in the past. Now, lets work with what we have ans work to keep things simple for Joe to succeed. otherwise we may not win another game.