[News] Late For Work 10/25: Torrey Smith On Trading Block? Would Ravens Bring Him Back?

[eze17]

  1 hour ago, Fastynart said:

In a fantasy world, I would love to see Torrey Smith back, Give them Perriman in exchange. BUT, that won't fix what is wrong with the Ravens. It starts at the top, where poor drafts over the last 6 or 7 years have depleted what was once a very talented team. Next, it is Harbaugh and his inept, incompetent coaches.. Bisciotte needs to clean house in order for the Ravens to rebuild. It won't happen as long as those currently in control remain there. Torrey Smith can't fix that.

I looked at our Draft choices from 1996 till 2016 and our drafts of late haven't been THAT bad. We picked a lot of years lately at the end of the first round or didn't even have a first round pick. It seems to me weve kept a lot more players from our drafts now (or they were given HUGE salaries from other teams) than in the first half of our existence.

And yet even though you speak the truth, some people won't listen. Our drafts have been no worse than most teams, and better than some teams. Especially considering that we are a perrenial play-off team and usually get low draft picks...A lot of fans seem to think we should draft Johnathan Ogden,Ray Lewis and Ed Reed types every year, but getting those three guys was more luck than skill, Ozzie figured they'd be good, but NO GM would ever know that a guy coming out of college will be a first ballot hall of famer like those three...However, some fans are spoiled and think that every pick should be a stud player that makes the pro-bowl every year and never suffers any type of injury. Unrealistic.

[kmspears65]

I find it very interesting that when we are losing - we blame anyone we can, but when we are winning we still find things to complain about. Harbs has done a fantastic job during his tenure and yes we have had a couple of rough years - but that said the blame is not Harbs (although he will tell you - my fault). The blame starts with each individual who plays the game. That person has to get better and work to help their teammates. Mental toughness, continue to makes strides and this to shall pass. Go RAVENS!!

[kmspears65]

Sorry to see Daniel Brown go to another team - he was making strides and was a nice pick-up for Baltimore when players were injured - good luck w/ the Bears

[dirtybird66]

STANLEY'S sitting only because HARBS didn't want to beak up the success and continuity of the run game,he'll be back after the bye,but will he be at left tackle? and of the PRO BOWL selections it may be the same as every year,the punter and the kicker are the RAVENS only selections.

[leziRav]

I ve been reading comments and need to jump in. This is my first comment here( btw any fans around St Louis area). Seriously we need to relax a bit. I know it s very hard to lose but we can't get ride of Ozzie and Harbs. If we do we'll be like the Browns. Sometime we need to be lucky with drafts, games etc... Our past drafts was not a disaster. We have CJ, B.Williams, Jernigan. I think with time Judon, Correi, Dixon and Periman will be good players. We have been drafting ok ( i don t expect us to get all impact players with our picks). Salary cap is hurting us to keep our young players. Looks at the past years how many good players we lost that could have made this team great.

Regarding Harbaugh. He is not Billicheat but he is a good coach, man coach. Remember when he got at least a post season win for his first years and a SB win. He took the team through diversities. Yes he made mistakes who doesn't.

I think let wait till the end of the season and see what we are as a team. Right now we are a bad football team. i think we ll go back to winning team. The problem right now is we are soft. We need to be more physical, play with heart, give time to Flacco to go deep, run the ball better and stop giving up big plays on D side. We need to be physical and nasty like the old days. The future is bright, we have young talents that will step up soon.

Be patient!

[rmcjacket23]

STANLEY'S sitting only because HARBS didn't want to beak up the success and continuity of the run game,he'll be back after the bye,but will he be at left tackle? and of the PRO BOWL selections it may be the same as every year,the punter and the kicker are the RAVENS only selections.

Umm no, because there was no continuity and success of the run game.

He's not playing because he's not healthy enough to play yet.

[rmcjacket23]

Hey Harbs: Stop being coy about the injuries. Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team. You suck, and whole stinkin team sucks. So why don't you just tell us who's going to play and who's not.

Why do you deserve to know?

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

Hey Harbs: Stop being coy about the injuries. Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team. You suck, and whole stinkin team sucks. So why don't you just tell us who's going to play and who's not.

Why do you deserve to know?

Who said I "deserved" to know. That never even crossed my mind, bud. I was simply making a point. What else you got for me?

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

3 hours ago, RavenSwag said:

The Ravens are just a bad football team. There are a number of things out there that supports my opinion. All of the older guys that we're depending on are hurt and none of the young guys has stepped up as of yet. This could potentially be another 5-11 season. I'm tired of hearing the same things out of Harbaugh's mouth week after week and the same things are happening every Sunday. I don't know if cleaning house is the answer but something has to change within the coaching staff, player development, scouting, etc. I don't want to hear the excuse about us always drafting at the back end of the draft in the past, we were still drafting well and winning during that time. I can only imagine how Mr. Biscotti feels about seeing this product being put out to the Flock.

Man please the QB is making the entire Ravens organization look bad! The Ravens should be 6-1 but Joe isn't cutting it! PERIOD!

Well except for that 3 game stretch when he wasn't throwing picks and we still went 0-3. 2 the losses were largely on the defense.

But lets not let common sense get in the way of a bad narrative... troll on kid.

Edited October 25, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, metalraven said:

Who said I "deserved" to know. That never even crossed my mind, bud. I was simply making a point. What else you got for me?

You don't deserve to know. That's the point. So why should John tell you anything when it doesn't benefit him or the team to do so?

Vanity?

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

  3 hours ago, RavenSwag said:

The Ravens are just a bad football team. There are a number of things out there that supports my opinion. All of the older guys that we're depending on are hurt and none of the young guys has stepped up as of yet. This could potentially be another 5-11 season. I'm tired of hearing the same things out of Harbaugh's mouth week after week and the same things are happening every Sunday. I don't know if cleaning house is the answer but something has to change within the coaching staff, player development, scouting, etc. I don't want to hear the excuse about us always drafting at the back end of the draft in the past, we were still drafting well and winning during that time. I can only imagine how Mr. Biscotti feels about seeing this product being put out to the Flock.

Man please the QB is making the entire Ravens organization look bad! The Ravens should be 6-1 but Joe isn't cutting it! PERIOD!

Well except for that 3 game stretch when he wasn't throwing picks and we still went 1-2. 2 of which were largely on the defense.

But lets not let common sense get in the way of a bad narrative... troll on kid.

True. But if he threw some TDs, that may have helped.

[nj_ravens]

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

Hey Harbs: Stop being coy about the injuries. Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team. You suck, and whole stinkin team sucks. So why don't you just tell us who's going to play and who's not.

Why do you deserve to know?

"Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team." Based on what? Something can benefit the team and the team can still lose. It's in the best interest of the team to not say anything. Just ask BB.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, metalraven said:

True. But if he threw some TDs, that may have helped.

Lots of things would have helped. Our defense actually covering Crabtree in the red zone or ODB at all for 30 minutes would have helped too.

In two of our losses, Joe's offense put up an average of 25 points. More than enough to win an NFL game. And he didn't throw any picks, and he threw for roughly 300 yards in both.

Joe sucked against the Jets and he sucked against the Redskins. Those two I have no issue with blaming a large portion of the loss on him and the offense.

[metalraven]

  6 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Who said I "deserved" to know. That never even crossed my mind, bud. I was simply making a point. What else you got for me?

You don't deserve to know. That's the point. So why should John tell you anything when it doesn't benefit him or the team to do so?

Vanity?

Again, I never even implied that I deserved to know. You're making things up. Why don't you read my reply all the way through before commenting on it. I'm not arguing with you. Looks like you're hoping I am, though.

[metalraven]

  8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

Hey Harbs: Stop being coy about the injuries. Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team. You suck, and whole stinkin team sucks. So why don't you just tell us who's going to play and who's not.

Why do you deserve to know?

"Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team." Based on what? Something can benefit the team and the team can still lose. It's in the best interest of the team to not say anything. Just ask BB.

Based on the fact that no revealing the details has not resulted in anything beneficial. I was being facetious. Simply pointing out that this tactic is not helping anybody anyways, so why not just say it.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, metalraven said:

Again, I never even implied that I deserved to know. You're making things up. Why don't you read my reply all the way through before commenting on it. I'm not arguing with you. Looks like you're hoping I am, though.

You said the following:

"Hey Harbs: Stop being coy about the injuries. Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team. You suck, and whole stinkin team sucks. So why don't you just tell us who's going to play and who's not."

 

My response:

 

Don't tell us who's playing and who's not, because it doesn't benefit the team one bit to do so.  Its not about what you or I personally want... its whats best for the team.

[metalraven]

  3 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Again, I never even implied that I deserved to know. You're making things up. Why don't you read my reply all the way through before commenting on it. I'm not arguing with you. Looks like you're hoping I am, though.

You said the following:

"Hey Harbs: Stop being coy about the injuries. Your "deceptive tactics" are clearly of no benefit to the team. You suck, and whole stinkin team sucks. So why don't you just tell us who's going to play and who's not."

 

My response:

 

Don't tell us who's playing and who's not, because it doesn't benefit the team one bit to do so.  Its not about what you or I personally want... its whats best for the team.

Neat

[eze17]

  1 hour ago, dirtybird66 said:

STANLEY'S sitting only because HARBS didn't want to beak up the success and continuity of the run game,he'll be back after the bye,but will he be at left tackle? and of the PRO BOWL selections it may be the same as every year,the punter and the kicker are the RAVENS only selections.

Umm no, because there was no continuity and success of the run game.

He's not playing because he's not healthy enough to play yet.

Hmmm, and here I was convinced it was some kind of dark, evil plan that the Raven's front office and coaching staff were engaged in for some unknown purpose...

[metalraven]

  15 minutes ago, metalraven said:

True. But if he threw some TDs, that may have helped.

Lots of things would have helped. Our defense actually covering Crabtree in the red zone or ODB at all for 30 minutes would have helped too.

In two of our losses, Joe's offense put up an average of 25 points. More than enough to win an NFL game. And he didn't throw any picks, and he threw for roughly 300 yards in both.

Joe sucked against the Jets and he sucked against the Redskins. Those two I have no issue with blaming a large portion of the loss on him and the offense.

Against Buffalo, Joe's rating was 100. Since then he's not even reached 84. Last game his rating was 54. His average so far is 75. He has 6 picks to 5 TDs in 7 games. His performances all year have been atrocious. In many of the close losses, the Ravens had the ball last, and had a chance to win. But Joe hasn't even come close to coming through. The dude freaking sucks. Plain and simple. I'm hoping that somehow he comes alive, but I'm not optimistic.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, metalraven said:

Against Buffalo, Joe's rating was 100. Since then he's not even reached 84. Last game his rating was 54. His average so far is 75. He has 6 picks to 5 TDs in 7 games. His performances all year have been atrocious. In many of the close losses, the Ravens had the ball last, and had a chance to win. But Joe hasn't even come close to coming through. The dude freaking sucks. Plain and simple. I'm hoping that somehow he comes alive, but I'm not optimistic.

1. I don't care about QB ratings, because they don't mean anything. Not an accurate measure of a QB and not a highly regarded measurement by anybody.

2. He also has 2 picks in 3 games and 0 picks in 4 games. That's why its not smart to take these things from a boxscore and from a vacuum... need to actually watch the games and take things in context.

3. Pretty clear you didn't watch some of those late game drives, because in many cases, I'd argue Joe was almost single handily responsible for getting them as close as he did.

Puts the ball in a beautiful spot for Perriman against the Redskins... he doesn't get two feet down. Puts the ball right on the money at mid-field to Chris Moore against the Raiders that would have easily gotten a first down and put them in FG range for the game winning kick... he drops the ball.

Requires a lot more than just Joe to get a team close to scoring on a game winning drive, and for a lot of these games, Joe's done his part. He hasn't been great at other times of games, and was pretty bad for most of the Jets and Redskins game, but he's not killing his team in any of the other games.

Would be nice if some other players on the field decided to make a play every now and then and boost some of the other guys who aren't playing well. Lord knows Joe has done that more than a few times in his career (see like half of the 2014 season). 

[metalraven]

  12 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Against Buffalo, Joe's rating was 100. Since then he's not even reached 84. Last game his rating was 54. His average so far is 75. He has 6 picks to 5 TDs in 7 games. His performances all year have been atrocious. In many of the close losses, the Ravens had the ball last, and had a chance to win. But Joe hasn't even come close to coming through. The dude freaking sucks. Plain and simple. I'm hoping that somehow he comes alive, but I'm not optimistic.

1. I don't care about QB ratings, because they don't mean anything. Not an accurate measure of a QB and not a highly regarded measurement by anybody.

2. He also has 2 picks in 3 games and 0 picks in 4 games. That's why its not smart to take these things from a boxscore and from a vacuum... need to actually watch the games and take things in context.

3. Pretty clear you didn't watch some of those late game drives, because in many cases, I'd argue Joe was almost single handily responsible for getting them as close as he did.

Puts the ball in a beautiful spot for Perriman against the Redskins... he doesn't get two feet down. Puts the ball right on the money at mid-field to Chris Moore against the Raiders that would have easily gotten a first down and put them in FG range for the game winning kick... he drops the ball.

Requires a lot more than just Joe to get a team close to scoring on a game winning drive, and for a lot of these games, Joe's done his part. He hasn't been great at other times of games, and was pretty bad for most of the Jets and Redskins game, but he's not killing his team in any of the other games.

Would be nice if some other players on the field decided to make a play every now and then and boost some of the other guys who aren't playing well. Lord knows Joe has done that more than a few times in his career (see like half of the 2014 season). 

All valid points. Yes, there are various factors that come into play, and yes, when Joe has made a good play, there have been times where his WRs did not come through. But we have to be honest with ourselves as fans: Joe has, for the most part, been awful. Even when he has had time, he's not taking advantage of it. Instead, as the numbers last week pointed out, he's actually been slightly worse when given time. He is not employing fundamentals. He's constantly throwing off his back foot, throwing into double coverage, leaving WRs open, because he wants his first read to work, and he forces it. He's done it all year. Not all of the blame goes on Joe, and he has done some good; but a big part of the blame does fall on him. If he corrects the "simple" things, this may be an entirely different discussion. Let's not be blind to Joe's failures. He's been terrible, and yes, so has the entire unit. But Joe is paid like one of the best, and he's not even remotely close to playing like one.

[fusuymada]

We won't get Torrey Smith, Ozzie and John only shop for dumpster refugees, they aren't interested in players that can actually play. They just put bodies out there. No Torrey, no tackle, no one who can help this team because our FO and our Head Coach are obviously out of touch with reality and are "excited", according to Harbaugh about the upcoming games. SMH.

Did anyone expect Harbaugh to say that Stanley is in his doghouse and that is not why he isn't playing? Sure, lets all believe that after being involved in full practices all week he couldn't play but Jimmy Smith was in a non-contact red jersey all week and he was active. What he says and what the facts obviously show are two different things. And to think, after catching Harbaugh in lie after lie about why guys are inactive or were relegated to the practice squad for eternity or just cut to think anyone believes what he says to me is just hilarious.

I hate first that my team is losing, I really hate the fact that our FO and coaches are all show and no go. If talking BS scored points then Harbaugh would lead the league. What is the proof that Harbaugh is feeding us BS about the draft, the players he chooses, the people he makes inactive for games, the people he cuts, where is the proof? It is in the 5-11 season last year and the 6-10 season we will have this year. If nothing else shows that Harbaugh and the FO has been horrible since the super bowl it is the fact that since we won it, we have a losing record. To me that is the ultimate proof of what Harbaugh and the FO has done and is doing to the Ravens. Harbaugh rode the coattails of the players that Billick brought in and slowly but surely one by one they left or were released until the mass exodus and mass cuts after the super bowl. Since then we have been a very bad team and who else is to blame but the people who assembled (or disassembled) the team and the coach.

[Drinkmore Beer]

At this point, the only two players on the Ravens who deserve Pro Bowl consideration are the kickers. No one else is even close. When kickers are your best players, your team either lacks talent, is poorly coached, or both.

[ravensnj]

At this point, the only two players on the Ravens who deserve Pro Bowl consideration are the kickers. No one else is even close. When kickers are your best players, your team either lacks talent, is poorly coached, or both.

I see Tucker, but, Marquette King (Raiders) has the upperhand this season,

[Purple Dawg 96]

  4 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

  6 hours ago, RavenSwag said:

The Ravens are just a bad football team. There are a number of things out there that supports my opinion. All of the older guys that we're depending on are hurt and none of the young guys has stepped up as of yet. This could potentially be another 5-11 season. I'm tired of hearing the same things out of Harbaugh's mouth week after week and the same things are happening every Sunday. I don't know if cleaning house is the answer but something has to change within the coaching staff, player development, scouting, etc. I don't want to hear the excuse about us always drafting at the back end of the draft in the past, we were still drafting well and winning during that time. I can only imagine how Mr. Biscotti feels about seeing this product being put out to the Flock.

Man please the QB is making the entire Ravens organization look bad! The Ravens should be 6-1 but Joe isn't cutting it! PERIOD!

Well except for that 3 game stretch when he wasn't throwing picks and we still went 0-3. 2 the losses were largely on the defense.

But lets not let common sense get in the way of a bad narrative... troll on kid.

The losses were on Joe "BUDDY" and that's a fact! This Troll over here watching a Championship Banner being dropped for the Cavs and watching the Indians play in a World Series in my city! Whut are you doing? !

[dirtybird66]

At this point, the only two players on the Ravens who deserve Pro Bowl consideration are the kickers. No one else is even close. When kickers are your best players, your team either lacks talent, is poorly coached, or both.

yep,and funny he was just a special teams coach before the ravens

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

Exactly. Those clowns seem to forget that the 2005 Ravens went 6-10 with Ray & Ed and then in 2007 went 5-11 with Ray, Ed, Sizzle, Ngata, JJ, Chris McAlister, Bart Scott all in their prime.

Someone had to go there?

why man why bring back more horrible memories lol

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

At this point, the only two players on the Ravens who deserve Pro Bowl consideration are the kickers. No one else is even close. When kickers are your best players, your team either lacks talent, is poorly coached, or both.

Wev blocked a few FGs if that counts. M.Wallace, B.Williams, Mosley, and Weddle are notable mentions. It's a shame were struggling so much moving the ball. 

[raven4evr]

Ravens need better QB play by their 'elite" read "lost" QB not Torry Smith. I love Steve Smith, but Ravens biggest mistake was letting Anquan B go.

[Purple Dawg 96]

  1 hour ago, Drinkmore Beer said:

At this point, the only two players on the Ravens who deserve Pro Bowl consideration are the kickers. No one else is even close. When kickers are your best players, your team either lacks talent, is poorly coached, or both.

yep,and funny he was just a special teams coach before the ravens

Please stop bashing Harbs he is stuck in a hard place because he can't bench Joe because of the contract and the Ravens organization will not throw Joe under the bus like the Jets did Ryan Fitzpatrick! Harbs has made mistakes but all these games fall on Joe! PERIOD! The Ravens fan base is divided some for Joe and some like me think these games fall on him because they were all winnable except the skins game that was a "L" should be 6-1