Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

LMAO. The Tear. So funny. 

[Bltravens]

Flacco is essentially Kerry Collins playing in a different era of football.  Nothing wrong with it, you can win with a Kerry Collins as seen by his many years of playing decently well on decent teams.  However he needs helps to get there as he'll inexplicably crap the bed some weeks.  It is what it is, he's not elite, never has been, he's also not trash, never has been.  He's like an 8-12 range QB depending on his year.  Its foolish to think he's actually worth the contract he got and its foolish to think you can just find a QB that wins as often as Flacco in any draft.  I don't know his contract particulars for dead money but I'd be looking long and hard at him in 2 years when he's 35.

Edited January 18 by Bltravens

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, ravensdfan said:

What really floors me about posts such as this is 2 things: 1. We didn't lose because of Flacco. He came through in clutch time. The defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th quarter. And 2. please, spare me with these "weapons". If you watch any football outside of the Ravens and especially post season, you have to note our receiving corps, and our RBs, are not even in the same universe as the talent these other QBs have around them.

 

I wasn't referring to the Steelers game just so you know. I was referring to his entire body of work since 2011. And yes I know he was instrumental in winning us a SB in 2012. In lieu of me trying to rehash why I wrote what I did, I would just as much link you to an article which doesn't deal in fantasy but in cold hard facts about why Flacco is such a paradox. My intention wasn't to ruffle homer's feathers but to state what I believe is true. You may feel floored by other people's opinions but sometimes it helps to see the big picture and understand why somebody feels a certain way. Without further ado, here's the link to that article which basically makes the same point but in more glorious and stat laden detail. I urge you to read it with an open mind before arbitrarily dismissing it.

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/1/17/14294920/the-ravens-joe-flacco-paradox

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Here it is for those who haven't seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwtVkwr_Uss

 

Last years commercial was better.  [/opinion] 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

9 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Last years commercial was better.  [/opinion] 

Nothing is better than his Mother's Commercial

[RayRayRaven]

11 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

 

EDIT: if we trade Joe in 2017, we carry $47.3 million in dead cap, or an additional $22.5m on top of his current cap hit.

 

 

if someone was tryin to tell me our bean counters signed a deal and or renegotiatad a deal to put the rayvans in a no way out situaton I'd be callin for a riot. that would be the close to treeson and as bad a job as could evah be done.  course that's not what  yur sayin right

10 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Finally someone did some research and we can stop hearing this crap about trading him, its not happening.

first about pitsburgh our bean counters cant really believe we are as good as them. we were built to battle them and know em well and its almost always a close game regardin how different in talant the teams actualy are. we have a better kicker t han them but all ariound the most loyal rayvan fan cant serioussly say we compare with them. they have had our number for many years now  in acquirin talant.

about the plan part of it involves fieldin a less stocked team for a couple years so yah we can eat enormos dead cap and make it work.  yah da lemon is sour but theres a lemonaid reward at the end. its either that or be mediogre for years to come.  it is a comprehensuv plan

Edited January 18 by RayRayRaven

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

if someone was tryin to tell me our bean counters signed a deal and or renegotiatad a deal to put the rayvans in a no way out situaton I'd be callin for a riot. that would be the close to treeson and as bad a job as could evah be done.  course that's not what  yur sayin right.......................um What?

first about pitsburgh our bean counters cant really believe we are as good as them. we were built to battle them and know em well and its almost always a close game regardin how different in talant the teams actualy are. we have a better kicker t han them but all ariound the most loyal rayvan fan cant serioussly say we compare with them. they have had our number for many years now  in acquirin talant.

about the plan part of it involves fieldin a less stocked team for a couple years so yah we can eat enormos dead cap and make it work.  da lemon is sour but theres a reward at the end. its either that or be mediogre for years to come.  it is a comprehensuv plan

Yes, they have better roster than us on one side of the ball, we have a better defense.  And its a terrible plan as pointed out by about every single person and you have yet to break anything down other than , "cut or trade him."  It makes zero logical sense.

Edited January 18 by usmccharles

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Nothing is better than his Mother's Commercial

I am not sure I know what you are talking about. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I am not sure I know what you are talking about. 

This

 

He is not an elite actor

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

57 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

if someone was tryin to tell me our bean counters signed a deal and or renegotiatad a deal to put the rayvans in a no way out situaton I'd be callin for a riot. that would be the close to treeson and as bad a job as could evah be done.  course that's not what  yur sayin right

first about pitsburgh our bean counters cant really believe we are as good as them. we were built to battle them and know em well and its almost always a close game regardin how different in talant the teams actualy are. we have a better kicker t han them but all ariound the most loyal rayvan fan cant serioussly say we compare with them. they have had our number for many years now  in acquirin talant.

about the plan part of it involves fieldin a less stocked team for a couple years so yah we can eat enormos dead cap and make it work.  yah da lemon is sour but theres a lemonaid reward at the end. its either that or be mediogre for years to come.  it is a comprehensuv plan

So the Steelers have had our number in terms of acquiring talent but haven't had our number in terms of being able to beat us over the past 4-5 years???

so what's this magic equalizer that allows our talent deficient team to beat them so often recently??

btw if your spelling is really that bad you need to find another medium to express yourself because my 5 year old niece is more literate. 

But in reality I know this is just the "schtick" of this newest troll account you've created among the many over the years. Past lean muscle and alpha males and onto illiterate idiot. 

Sad how much time you have on ur hands... creating a distinct personality for each one. 

This ones just a blatant ripoff of pft commenter... and not a good one. 

Edited January 18 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[SuRihtanil]

I have never been a Joe Flacco supporter and I never will be... let me say I was here watching his games all 16 when he was a rookie and I didn't like him as a player in that era either. Joe Flacco has never took any steps forward since his rookie season, he has never progressed... honestly after this season it seems like he has regressed more than anything. Nothing would bring my heart more joy and my year more pleasure to see him traded along with his dead cap space. HOWEVER, I know he isn't going to be traded for many reasons.  So that said, I hope beyond hope the Ravens can get the running game going, find a WR in the draft that can catch passes thrown behind his back, over his head, or in thick traffic. 

You know that feeling you have when there's light at the other end of the tunnel?  I see no light with Joe Flacco... I have completely lost faith in him, I did have a little faith after that superbowl run but that's dead and gone.  The Ravens need their own Bell behind Flacco and I don't see that on this roster either. I don't blame the Oline because they were actually decent one of the betters in NFL. I play OC, I blame Flacco for the offensive struggles and I don't see it clearing up unless the Ravens have one outstanding offseason.  My hope remains in the defense and hoping they continue to improve and carry the team.

[usmccharles]

30 minutes ago, SuRihtanil said:

The Ravens need their own Bell behind Flacco and I don't see that on this roster either. I don't blame the Oline because they were actually decent one of the betters in NFL.

Yes, agreed. He needs a Ray Rice.  He needs legit WRs.  An OL that stays together.  Like most Qbs

And where have you read we had a top line?

Edited January 18 by usmccharles

[rossihunter2]

20 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

if someone was tryin to tell me our bean counters signed a deal and or renegotiatad a deal to put the rayvans in a no way out situaton I'd be callin for a riot. that would be the close to treeson and as bad a job as could evah be done.  course that's not what  yur sayin right

first about pitsburgh our bean counters cant really believe we are as good as them. we were built to battle them and know em well and its almost always a close game regardin how different in talant the teams actualy are. we have a better kicker t han them but all ariound the most loyal rayvan fan cant serioussly say we compare with them. they have had our number for many years now  in acquirin talant.

about the plan part of it involves fieldin a less stocked team for a couple years so yah we can eat enormos dead cap and make it work.  yah da lemon is sour but theres a lemonaid reward at the end. its either that or be mediogre for years to come.  it is a comprehensuv plan

It actually hurts reading this... did you literally just say they've had our number? We lost to them for the first time in like 3 years - that's their second win vs us since 2013 or something...

[gtalk12]

23 hours ago, Bltravens said:

Flacco is essentially Kerry Collins playing in a different era of football.  Nothing wrong with it, you can win with a Kerry Collins as seen by his many years of playing decently well on decent teams.  However he needs helps to get there as he'll inexplicably crap the bed some weeks.  It is what it is, he's not elite, never has been, he's also not trash, never has been.  He's like an 8-12 range QB depending on his year.  Its foolish to think he's actually worth the contract he got and its foolish to think you can just find a QB that wins as often as Flacco in any draft.  I don't know his contract particulars for dead money but I'd be looking long and hard at him in 2 years when he's 35.

Collins? Really? A guy who for his career only won 3 playoff games? Last I checked nobody won with Kerry Collins.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I wish we could stop comparing ourselves to the Steelers. They have a great system that can develop Offensive weapons and we can not and never could. We were good at drafting many moons ago and lived off of that success for years but never got "lucky" in the draft again so we never replaced the talent. Now, just like the past few seasons it is showing. The organization dropped the ball on the contract with Joe, way too much money for him. How many teams can afford a top tier QB and field top tier receivers ? Teams need to be able to develop the young guys like the Patriots, Packers Steelers and many others do but we just for some reason develop receivers. The defensive side is not much better in developing talent, CB's, Safeties etc. 

[RayRayRaven]

 

23 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yes, they have better roster than us on one side of the ball, we have a better defense.  And its a terrible plan as pointed out by about every single person and you have yet to break anything down other than , "cut or trade him."  It makes zero logical sense.

its a good plan but I don't think they'll do it. theres only a few here that want to stay the course, unfortunenately stevie b is one of em.  we have had bad dead cap for a ways now. draftin high for 2 years and getting juicy pics for joe would put us back on track.  we can wade thru dead cap, done it before can do it again. we couldnot sign Williams, Jernigan and dummervil but that's fine. pitsburg has a heck of a oline now and their linebackers are bout best in the league.

22 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So the Steelers have had our number in terms of acquiring talent but haven't had our number in terms of being able to beat us over the past 4-5 years???

 

there you said it, t he rest was crazy stuf

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

It actually hurts reading this... did you literally just say they've had our number? We lost to them for the first time in like 3 years - that's their second win vs us since 2013 or something...

read what big letter little letter said above. the head to heads have little to do with which team has been buildin

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

I wish we could stop comparing ourselves to the Steelers. They have a great system that can develop Offensive weapons and we can not and never could. We were good at drafting many moons ago and lived off of that success for years but never got "lucky" in the draft again so we never replaced the talent. Now, just like the past few seasons it is showing. The organization dropped the ball on the contract with Joe, way too much money for him. How many teams can afford a top tier QB and field top tier receivers ? Teams need to be able to develop the young guys like the Patriots, Packers Steelers and many others do but we just for some reason develop receivers. The defensive side is not much better in developing talent, CB's, Safeties etc. 

Who are all the receivers the Pats have drafted and developed into studs??

And again... it's about SYSYEM. when you have a system in place for years you know exactly the specific skill sets you need in specific roles. 

Its easier to identify players with those specific traits and easier for those players to succeed bc there's a very clear role and development path built around their skill set. 

When you change offenses every year - you're not gonna be successful developing skill position players. And your QB won't progress much. 

 

And this whole draft thing is tired. You need to go back and look again. Throughout our history when we draft in the top half we're dynamite... when we don't it's hit or miss. 

Plus we just came off what looks already to be one of our best 2-3 drafts ever, even though it's still too soon to tell. That's also true of the '15 and even the '14 draft. 

 

Its easy to just parrot crap you hear other people say... and whine about stuff. But reality and the facts get in the way of your narrative. 

Btw... you already forgetting how Pitt is just coming off a few up and down years of 8-8 football and being heavily criticized for missing so many defensive picks and letting the once vaunted unit crumble? 

Funny, after a period of sustained success and deep playoff runs they fell off for a couple years... struggling to restock talent every year with later picks, and only after a couple relatively down years and some draft hits are they now back contending. 

But they're the model of success?? It's the same model!!! Same story!! They just got their QB and won their SB earlier, so their slight fall came a little sooner, and thus their quick rise came back sooner. 

If we made the playoffs this year we would've won a game and no ones complaining. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

Collins? Really? A guy who for his career only won 3 playoff games? Last I checked nobody won with Kerry Collins.

Last I check we kicked Collins' butt in a super bowl and he didn't do too much playoff wise after that. 

[usmccharles]

29 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

its a good plan but I don't think they'll do it. theres only a few here that want to stay the course, unfortunenately stevie b is one of em.  we have had bad dead cap for a ways now. draftin high for 2 years and getting juicy pics for joe would put us back on track.  we can wade thru dead cap, done it before can do it again. we couldnot sign Williams, Jernigan and dummervil but that's fine. pitsburg has a heck of a oline now and their linebackers are bout best in the league.

Your basically saying tank for two years.....very noble

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

45 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Your basically saying tank for two years.....very noble

What is this guy even talking about?

we don't have to sign Doom or Jernigan. They're under contract. And we have space to sign BWill if we want even if he sets the market over again. 

I wouldn't advise it but we definitely can. 

And he's complaining about dead cap but advising trading Joe.... which would mean more dead cap on one player than the past probably 5-10 years combined. Lol. 

 

And no way to see Pittas injuries or Rices scandal. Right decisions at the time that back fired. 

 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

its a good plan but I don't think they'll do it. theres only a few here that want to stay the course, unfortunenately stevie b is one of em.  we have had bad dead cap for a ways now. draftin high for 2 years and getting juicy pics for joe would put us back on track.  we can wade thru dead cap, done it before can do it again. we couldnot sign Williams, Jernigan and dummervil but that's fine. pitsburg has a heck of a oline now and their linebackers are bout best in the league.

there you said it, t he rest was crazy stuf

read what big letter little letter said above. the head to heads have little to do with which team has been buildin

1.) good plan says who? You have persuaded nobody on this board with any kind of facts that this plan is even feasible let alone desirable

2.) only a few who want to "stay the course"? You must not have read the boards or listened to any press conferences with any of the players or coaches because you are virtually the only person I've come across who has been peddling this bogus narrative of blowing up the franchise and starting again

3.) bad dead cap space? Yep that's true but hardly all the front office's fault - who could really foresee the injury problems or the ray rice issue - and yet after bemoaning all this dead money you want to create negative cap space by getting rid of flacco? That sounds like hypocrisy to me or at least some sort of annoying double standard

4.) if we do not sign Williams or Jernigan or dumervil it will not be to do with dead money - in Williams and Jernigan's cases it will be simply because they have been priced out of Baltimore and we don't want to overpay them (something which you have literally based all your complaints on), and if doom goes it will be to create cap space to sign other people because he isn't performing well

5.) the steelers are a better team than us as evidenced by the fact that they are in the playoffs and we are not, however to allege that we have been left behind with some ridiculous talent deficit yet somehow miraculously and with luck have consistently beaten them is of course proof that they don't have "our number" because the very sentiment of that phrase would suggest they beat us thoroughly and often which is opposite to the facts

 

but I digress - I imagine you won't read any of this and will ignore everything here like you have everything else so I'll make an equally ridiculous suggestion... the front office should trade you to the patriots forum where you'd fit in comfortably with all the other trolls

[Rav'n Maniac]

6 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

1.) good plan says who? You have persuaded nobody on this board with any kind of facts that this plan is even feasible let alone desirable

2.) only a few who want to "stay the course"? You must not have read the boards or listened to any press conferences with any of the players or coaches because you are virtually the only person I've come across who has been peddling this bogus narrative of blowing up the franchise and starting again

3.) bad dead cap space? Yep that's true but hardly all the front office's fault - who could really foresee the injury problems or the ray rice issue - and yet after bemoaning all this dead money you want to create negative cap space by getting rid of flacco? That sounds like hypocrisy to me or at least some sort of annoying double standard

4.) if we do not sign Williams or Jernigan or dumervil it will not be to do with dead money - in Williams and Jernigan's cases it will be simply because they have been priced out of Baltimore and we don't want to overpay them (something which you have illiterally based all your complaints on), and if doom goes it will be to create cap space to sign other people because he isn't performing well

5.) the steelers are a better team than us as evidenced by the fact that they are in the playoffs and we are not, however to allege that we have been left behind with some ridiculous talent deficit yet somehow miraculously and with luck have consistently beaten them is of course proof that they don't have "our number" because the very sentiment of that phrase would suggest they beat us thoroughly and often which is opposite to the facts

 

but I digress - I imagine you won't read any of this and will ignore everything here like you have everything else so I'll make an equally ridiculous suggestion... the front office should trade you to the patriots forum where you'd fit in comfortably with all the other trolls

Your post is dead on, except for one word which I was happy to fix for you.

[trevorsteadman]

I actually think that if you compared offensive of the Ravens to the Steelers the Ravens have played better with who they have than the Steelers have. They have Ben still playing at a high level, an o-line that has been together for years, the best running back in the league, and one of the best wide receivers in the league. I am actually surprised they don't have higher numbers. Sometimes when I watch them I actually scratch my head at some of their calls. But they have the talent to overshadow a bit. The Ravens have not had that luxury in a long time. Merry go round offensive line, inability to draft and develop weapons around Flacco since Torrey Smith, and the Ravens are going into the offseason saying they need a new running back. That last part actually makes me afraid for Dixon because I thought I saw flashes but maybe the front office thinks otherwise. 

[Virginia 55]

On 1/14/2017 at 8:14 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

So wouldn't the team of a "good" QB not be concerned about guaranteeing money for a QB who is actually "good"? I mean we're only talking about like, what, $30M guaranteed? Practically chump change for even a "game manager" by NFL standards. So what exactly are they afraid of?

So when the Bills voluntarily don't pick up his option, and make him a FA, what will your explanation for that decision be then?

Can you give me the recent names of "good" QBs who actually ever hit free agency? Would be highly interested in getting the names of those players.

Look forward to that list.

Thanks

Can we put Flacco on that list?  I'm really curious how many teams would want him at his current contract.  

The reason we are stuck with him is because nobody in the league will take him at his current number. 

Edited January 19 by Virginia 55

[Militant X 1]

On 1/17/2017 at 3:18 PM, ellicottraven said:

Well next year is a tell all in terms of who Flacco really is moving forward. He'll be 22 months removed from his ACL injury which is more than ample time for a full recovery and then some. Also, he'll have the same coordinator that he insisted on retaining so figuring out nomenclature and calls shouldn't be a problem. He'll have a running game in place and an effective O-line and quite possibly better WRs, either through the draft or free agency or simply by the ones we have getting better. 

So, if he continues passing the ball excessively to Pitta at 6 yds per completion and run the ball less than pass, we'll know that Flacco will not be a good QB for the Ravens. If however, he is able to play within himself, listen to his coaches and play smart and error free football, the rest of the Ravens team is talented enough to win us enough ball games to get us to the post season. Either way, we'll know because the real Flacco will inevitably show up.

I don't need another year to know who Flacco is.  When someone tells or shows you who they are (their true nature); believe them!

On 1/17/2017 at 5:50 PM, ravensdfan said:

What really floors me about posts such as this is 2 things: 1. We didn't lose because of Flacco. He came through in clutch time. The defense collapsed and gave up 21 pts in the 4th quarter. And 2. please, spare me with these "weapons". If you watch any football outside of the Ravens and especially post season, you have to note our receiving corps, and our RBs, are not even in the same universe as the talent these other QBs have around them.

 

I agree!

On 1/17/2017 at 6:07 PM, flynismo said:

I looooooooveee Flacco's new "Party Pooper" commercial

Not me!  It's weak and lame.

Edited January 19 by Militant X 1

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Can we put Flacco on that list?  I'm really curious how many teams would want him at his current contract.  

The reason we are stuck with him is because nobody in the league will take him at his current number. 

Well considering much of his cap impact is from past bonuses that we paid him and another team wouldn't have to take those one, he'd be a FA for about an hour and a half.

If we were to trade him, another team would only pay him $6M next season, $12M in 2018, and $18.5M in 2019... all great bargains. So yeah, needless to say, there would be about a half dozen teams that would spring into action at that point. At those amounts, his production doesn't even matter. 

The reason we are "stuck with him" is because it would take many, many years to find a better player, and we have no interest in getting rid of a player who's already proven he can be very good for us. Doesn't make much sense from a business or an on-field success standpoint.

We know he's better than Osweiler, and he got $18M a year. So yeah, the bidding starts at $20M and goes up from there. 

 

[RayRayRaven]

On 1/18/2017 at 9:40 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

 

 

And this whole draft thing is tired. You need to go back and look again. Throughout our history when we draft in the top half we're dynamite... when we don't it's hit or miss. 

 

sometimes you say the smartest things. those are the things I like to qote.

On 1/18/2017 at 10:06 PM, usmccharles said:

Your basically saying tank for two years.....very noble

yep read what little letter big letter said above. its part of the comprehensuv plan

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well considering much of his cap impact is from past bonuses that we paid him and another team wouldn't have to take those one, he'd be a FA for about an hour and a half.

If we were to trade him, another team would only pay him $6M next season, $12M in 2018, and $18.5M in 2019... all great bargains. So yeah, needless to say, there would be about a half dozen teams that would spring into action at that point. At those amounts, his production doesn't even matter. 

The reason we are "stuck with him" is because it would take many, many years to find a better player, and we have no interest in getting rid of a player who's already proven he can be very good for us. Doesn't make much sense from a business or an on-field success standpoint.

We know he's better than Osweiler, and he got $18M a year. So yeah, the bidding starts at $20M and goes up from there. 

 

this is  the most beaufitul smartest things I have evah read here.

now we are stayn the course we are reliyan on everyone from last year and we weren't hurt but for jimmy smith wich probably mattered, but we were mostly health wise. joe was joe was joe. he still don't have his mason or boldin and joe will break you heart bitter. joe aint doin nu thin next year he hasn't done in the first four years of his mega deal. we can trade joe for value and we must. when you guys chip in with facts ike this it helps stevie b understand how to turn the rayvans around. and I thank you for helpin.  two number ones for joe and draft highly during the dead cap years.  now we must chose well and that is par t of the compre hensuv plan.

we are helpin make stevie b great again to its a beautiful t hing

no more mediogrity

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

sometimes you say the smartest things. those are the things I like to qote.

yep read what little letter big letter said above. its part of the comprehensuv plan

this is  the most beaufitul smartest things I have evah read here.

now we are stayn the course we are reliyan on everyone from last year and we weren't hurt but for jimmy smith wich probably mattered, but we were mostly health wise. joe was joe was joe. he still don't have his mason or boldin and joe will break you heart bitter. joe aint doin nu thin next year he hasn't done in the first four years of his mega deal. we can trade joe for value and we must. when you guys chip in with facts ike this it helps stevie b understand how to turn the rayvans around. and I thank you for helpin.  two number ones for joe and draft highly during the dead cap years.  now we must chose well and that is par t of the compre hensuv plan.

we are helpin make stevie b great again to its a beautiful t hing

no more mediogrity

I'll be honest... I didn't understand a word you wrote here. 

[usmccharles]

32 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'll be honest... I didn't understand a word you wrote here. 

x2

[JoeyFlex5]

23 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

sometimes you say the smartest things. those are the things I like to qote.

yep read what little letter big letter said above. its part of the comprehensuv plan

this is  the most beaufitul smartest things I have evah read here.

now we are stayn the course we are reliyan on everyone from last year and we weren't hurt but for jimmy smith wich probably mattered, but we were mostly health wise. joe was joe was joe. he still don't have his mason or boldin and joe will break you heart bitter. joe aint doin nu thin next year he hasn't done in the first four years of his mega deal. we can trade joe for value and we must. when you guys chip in with facts ike this it helps stevie b understand how to turn the rayvans around. and I thank you for helpin.  two number ones for joe and draft highly during the dead cap years.  now we must chose well and that is par t of the compre hensuv plan.

we are helpin make stevie b great again to its a beautiful t hing

no more mediogrity

you type like a Dolan meme. 

and you clearly missed the point by a mile and a half.