Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Virginia 55]

On 1/13/2017 at 1:51 AM, JonnyBaltimore said:

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/careerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

AVG for last 2 years:

QBR rating Taylor 95.0

QBR rating Flacco 83.0

TDs / Ints

Taylor 37TD/12Ints

Flacco 34TD/27Ints

Taylor also had 1100 yards rushing for another 10 TDs and 1 Pro Bowl selection.

 

Hey I will take Taylor in the regular season and Flacco in the playoffs.

This pretty much sums it up.  Joe is who we thought he was. Average QB that can AT TIMES elevate his game during the playoffs. Not really earth shattering numbers being put up.  This in a season were he has thrown more balls then any other QB in football and still has pedestrian numbers. 

[Virginia 55]

12 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Are you serious? Lol. 

I'm not even seeing how or why this is funny anymore. Tyrod is outplaying Flacco.  End of story! 

[BmoreBird22]

30 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm not even seeing how or why this is funny anymore. Tyrod is outplaying Flacco.  End of story! 

Not like weapons make a difference or anything.

[K-Dog]

I really need to stop clicking on this thread.

I am REALLY loosing faith in this fan base even with some people hidden. 

[rossihunter2]

28 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I really need to stop clicking on this thread.

I am REALLY loosing faith in this fan base even with some people hidden. 

can we petition a moderator to close this one - i feel like it ran its course a fair few pages ago

[Cillmatic]

This thread is like cancer on ice.

[Rav'n Maniac]

33 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

can we petition a moderator to close this one - i feel like it ran its course a fair few pages ago

It won't matter, they'll just complain about Flacco in every other thread. I'd say just leave it alone and stop responding to them. Eventually they will tire of being the only ones commenting in this thread.

[Tank 92]

36 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

It won't matter, they'll just complain about Flacco in every other thread. I'd say just leave it alone and stop responding to them. Eventually they will tire of being the only ones commenting in this thread.

yeah, it's pretty much the same people, not sure why anyone responds.  

[BirdWatcher]

42 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

It won't matter, they'll just complain about Flacco in every other thread. I'd say just leave it alone and stop responding to them. Eventually they will tire of being the only ones commenting in this thread.

This +1000.

Keeping this thread gives us a place to move the off-topic crap that gets posted in other threads.

[K-Dog]

"The Joe Flacco dump thread"

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

"The Joe Flacco dump thread"

Exactly!!!!

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm not even seeing how or why this is funny anymore. Tyrod is outplaying Flacco.  End of story! 

Lmao, Bills were talking about benching Taylor and you're saying he's outplaying Flacco? He's in a run 1st and run heavy offense at that which isn't demanding him to do too much. In his two seasons he's barely eclipsed 3000 Yards passing, in terms of passing attempts Buffalo is literally dead last in the league opposite of Baltimore who is #1. Taylor really isn't asked to do a whole lot, that's probably why Buffalo hasn't even committed to him, because they want to see more from him before giving him a really big deal. 

Edited January 14 by PurpleCity5

[JonnyBaltimore]

16 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Lmao, Bills were talking about benching Taylor and you're saying he's outplaying Flacco? He's in a run 1st and run heavy offense at that which isn't demanding him to do too much. In his two seasons he's barely eclipsed 3000 Yards passing, in terms of passing attempts Buffalo is literally dead last in the league opposite of Baltimore who is #1. Taylor really isn't asked to do a whole lot, that's probably why Buffalo hasn't even committed to him, because they want to see more from him before giving him a really big deal. 

It's actually not that far fetched. Taylor has also 1100 yards rushing and another 10 TDs. He threw more TDs and less INTs. I'm not saying I'd rather have Taylor over Flacco to build a franchise but the numbers do not lie. 

In the regular season, Flacco is more like Jay Cutler than he is like anything that resembles "elite". Flacco's best attributes is that he plays well in the clutch--a rare attribute. Unfortunately if he doesn't play in any big games, he is rather pedestrian and the numbers support that. In fact, Jay Cutler's career QBR rating is higher than Flacco's. That I find comical.

Facts:

-Taylor has more WINs the last 2 years

-Taylor has more Pro Bowl nods

-Taylor has thrown more TDs (despite less passing attempts)

-Taylor has thrown less INTs

-Taylor has rushed for over 1100 yards

-Taylor has rushed for 10 TDs

-Taylor has a higher QBR rating over the last 2 years (he is top 10 in QBR rating)

The reason the Bills benched Taylor is because of financial reasons and the guaranteed money in his contract, plus the fact that they have new coaching next year.

 

Again your argument or lack thereof of one is not a very convincing one.

[Virginia 55]

44 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

It's actually not that far fetched. Taylor has also 1100 yards rushing and another 10 TDs. He threw more TDs and less INTs. I'm not saying I'd rather have Taylor over Flacco to build a franchise but the numbers do not lie. 

In the regular season, Flacco is more like Jay Cutler than he is like anything that resembles "elite". Flacco's best attributes is that he plays well in the clutch--a rare attribute. Unfortunately if he doesn't play in any big games, he is rather pedestrian and the numbers support that. In fact, Jay Cutler's career QBR rating is higher than Flacco's. That I find comical.

Facts:

-Taylor has more WINs the last 2 years

-Taylor has more Pro Bowl nods

-Taylor has thrown more TDs (despite less passing attempts)

-Taylor has thrown less INTs

-Taylor has rushed for over 1100 yards

-Taylor has rushed for 10 TDs

-Taylor has a higher QBR rating over the last 2 years (he is top 10 in QBR rating)

The reason the Bills benched Taylor is because of financial reasons and the guaranteed money in his contract, plus the fact that they have new coaching next year.

 

Again your argument or lack thereof of one is not a very convincing one.

This....... They cant believe it because Flacco was suppose to be so much better.    LMAO.......

Flacco wished he could play like this.

 

Scrambling QB's anyone?????

Edited January 14 by Virginia 55

[Militant X 1]

In the past, I've seen Sean Peyton and Drew Brees going over the gameplan for their upcoming opponents.  Peyton would constantly ask Drew which plays he liked and was comfortable running in particular situations and then he'd incorporate them into the game plan for that week.  

Just recently, while watching the NFL Network, I just saw a nice piece on Belichick.  And I saw him and Brady doing the same thing with Brady telling him about a particular route and adding it to the plan.  

Sincere question; I wonder if Harbaugh does that with Joe?

Edited January 14 by Militant X 1

[Virginia 55]

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

In the past, I've seen Sean Peyton and Drew Brees going over the gameplan for their upcoming opponents.  Peyton would constantly ask Drew which plays that he liked and then incorporate them into the game plan.  And now, I just saw Bellichick and Brady doing the same thing in a clip on the NFL Network.  Sincere question; I wonder if Harbaugh does that with Joe?

I doubt it.  They say he is smart.  Yet he runs college plays.  The man needs a lot of help.  To get the help he needs he has to take a paycut or get off our team.  It's that simple. 

[Virginia 55]

4 hours ago, K-Dog said:

"The Joe Flacco dump thread"

Why even come in here if you dont want to discuss Flacco?  Flacco is the topic of the thread and to be brutally honest the guy isn't very good at all.  He capitalized of the best playoff run that any QB has had in history.  We paid him like those numbers would manifest again at some point in his career. He is the epitome of overrated and overpaid.  

[esem]

This thread in a nutshell: 

Flacco is playing the worst football of his career, and the some of the worst football in the league.

Lol prove it.

*Laundry list of stats and figures proving exactly that*

Lol yeah well whatever close this thread, stop bashing our QB.

Oooooookay?

[ellicottraven]

58 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

In the past, I've seen Sean Peyton and Drew Brees going over the gameplan for their upcoming opponents.  Peyton would constantly ask Drew which plays he liked and was comfortable running in particular situations and then he'd incorporate them into the game plan for that week.  

Just recently, while watching the NFL Network, I just saw a nice piece on Belichick.  And I saw him and Brady doing the same thing with Brady telling him about a particular route and adding it to the plan.  

Sincere question; I wonder if Harbaugh does that with Joe?

@Mili it doesn't matter whether we wonder or not. It's kind of important that Steve Bisciotti wonder about it.

[jazz1988]

35 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Why even come in here if you dont want to discuss Flacco?  Flacco is the topic of the thread and to be brutally honest the guy isn't very good at all.  He capitalized of the best playoff run that any QB has had in history.  We paid him like those numbers would manifest again at some point in his career. He is the epitome of overrated and overpaid.  

It's hard for any quarterback to manifest those numbers again with all offensive coordinator changes and etc. It hasn't been that long since Flacco  best or great season but that also was at the time where  The Ravens had a identity on offense  and I don't mean a great run game either. Joe Flacco needs to play better that's no question but John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome need to do better for Joe Flacco as well. They need to tailor a offensive scheme that suits Joe Flacco strengths and etc. What Flacco is going through is no different from Philip River, Matt Ryan, and Matthew Stafford was going through.

[esem]

7 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not like weapons make a difference or anything.

Are we really comparing our offensive weapons to the Bills? WHAT weapons did the Bills have outside of Shady? Watkins was out almost the entire season. Robert Woods is the equivalent of our Aiken. Charles Clay is an average TE at best. The Bills would KILL to have a selection of weapons like we have. 

[BmoreBird22]

44 minutes ago, esem said:

Are we really comparing our offensive weapons to the Bills? WHAT weapons did the Bills have outside of Shady? Watkins was out almost the entire season. Robert Woods is the equivalent of our Aiken. Charles Clay is an average TE at best. The Bills would KILL to have a selection of weapons like we have. 

We have to compare last year, too, and Watkins was mostly healthy. But hell, SSS missed a lot of games last year, too, so that's a wash, except that Watkins is definitely more talented than anyone the Ravens have.

Woods is a pretty damn talented deep ball receiver. You're definitely selling him short there.

I'd take what Buffalo had at the skill positions over what the Ravens had

[RayRayRaven]

10 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

This pretty much sums it up.  Joe is who we thought he was. Average QB that can AT TIMES elevate his game during the playoffs. Not really earth shattering numbers being put up.  This in a season were he has thrown more balls then any other QB in football and still has pedestrian numbers. 

 

4 hours ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

It's actually not that far fetched. Taylor has also 1100 yards rushing and another 10 TDs. He threw more TDs and less INTs. I'm not saying I'd rather have Taylor over Flacco to build a franchise but the numbers do not lie. 

In the regular season, Flacco is more like Jay Cutler than he is like anything that resembles "elite". Flacco's best attributes is that he plays well in the clutch--a rare attribute. Unfortunately if he doesn't play in any big games, he is rather pedestrian and the numbers support that. In fact, Jay Cutler's career QBR rating is higher than Flacco's. That I find comical.

Facts:

-Taylor has more WINs the last 2 years

-Taylor has more Pro Bowl nods

-Taylor has thrown more TDs (despite less passing attempts)

-Taylor has thrown less INTs

-Taylor has rushed for over 1100 yards

-Taylor has rushed for 10 TDs

-Taylor has a higher QBR rating over the last 2 years (he is top 10 in QBR rating)

The reason the Bills benched Taylor is because of financial reasons and the guaranteed money in his contract, plus the fact that they have new coaching next year.

 

Again your argument or lack thereof of one is not a very convincing one.

 

2 hours ago, esem said:

This thread in a nutshell: 

Flacco is playing the worst football of his career, and the some of the worst football in the league.

Lol prove it.

*Laundry list of stats and figures proving exactly that*

Lol yeah well whatever close this thread, stop bashing our QB.

Oooooookay?

yah listen I've watched a lot  of raven football. a hole lot. we keep watin on joe and waitin on joe and waiten on joe. but guess what?  joe ain't nevah comin home again.  joe done jumped the shark years back.  you know what jumped the shark means right?  if you don' t look it up.  we signed him to the big bucks and it didn't work out. lots of other bad decicisions are lumped into it but joe aint the joe we thought we was getting. no one can argue against that wthout bein laughed at alot 

to fix this mess and its a big one we have to prepair for the future down the road. not next year. next year and the year after that are already gone with the wind. just like that ole lanard skinnard song Tuesdays gone. remember it?

train roll on on down the line

wont you please take me far away

hear the wind blow outside my door

means we're leavin our joe behind. (I added the joe part but we are leaving him behind)

so here is what we must do.  we can trade joe and we will sooner or later. its just what must be done and even those that don't wanna face it know it must be done. if it is done later joes value will continue to slid.  no one can argue against that his season startin 2017 value is much less than his 2013 season starting trade value. so tradin him sooner increases his value to us and I very firm believe we can still get two number 1's for him and certainly a 1 and a 2.  we can get that value for the same reason some hear want to keep joe hopin he'll come back to four games in 2012. it ain't happinin but theres folks out there on other teams that think that wa ytoo. wait another year or two and we'll be lucking to get a pair of 3's  now the big business plan part and for this I hope stevie b tunes in because t hey say he's hear readin.  we will eat large dead money and won't be able to field as high quallty a team. with our second string qb whether its mallet or someone else we may lose more games.  must say I am not even certain of that but losin more games but we should still lose enough games to get a very high draft position for two years. couple our high number 1 draft picks for a couple  years with the two top picks for joe and we will have the opportunity to transformate the ravens from middling mediocre to a still young team loaded with picks.

armed with pics we will need new coaches. we will need the best

I'm all about the draft pics and I think stevie b will be to

Edited January 14 by RayRayRaven

[Tank 92]

                                               

[flynismo]

Wow, I can only imagine what would be said here if Flacco threw a pick like the one Russell Wilson just did.  

[flynismo]

On 1/13/2017 at 1:32 AM, JonnyBaltimore said:

The funny thing is Tyrod has more Pro Bowls than Flacco. Regular season Joe is hardly better than Regular Season Tyrod. 

In fact in the regular season, Tyrod has performed better in the last 2 years.

The funny thing is Flacco has more Super Bowl MVPs than Tyrod...

[Tank 92]

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

The funny thing is Flacco has more Super Bowl MVPs than Tyrod...

lol

[Ravensfan23]

4 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

In the past, I've seen Sean Peyton and Drew Brees going over the gameplan for their upcoming opponents.  Peyton would constantly ask Drew which plays he liked and was comfortable running in particular situations and then he'd incorporate them into the game plan for that week.  

Just recently, while watching the NFL Network, I just saw a nice piece on Belichick.  And I saw him and Brady doing the same thing with Brady telling him about a particular route and adding it to the plan.  

Sincere question; I wonder if Harbaugh does that with Joe?

Those other two coaches you named are heavily involved in game planning where I don't think Harbs is too much. Harbs coaches this team like Mr. B runs it from the top. He fires guys he trust to get a job done and then delegates responsibility to those guy to get the job done. So it's the OC that gets with Flacco and does this. Here's a article where Kubiak talks about he and Joe going over gameplan. http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/16535/why-joe-flacco-is-enjoying-career-year-under-gary-kubiak

Quote

"I kind of let him call the game in a lot of ways," Kubiak said. "On Friday, I give him my [play] card, talk to him about what I think we need to be doing, but yet, I let him come to me and say, ‘I like this first, this second, this third.’ So, when you have a player like that, you need to listen. And I tried to do that. Hopefully I’ve done that well, but I think our relationship grows every week. I have a lot of confidence in him, and hopefully he has the same.

 

[JonnyBaltimore]

36 minutes ago, flynismo said:

The funny thing is Flacco has more Super Bowl MVPs than Tyrod...

Hey Joe, what have you done for me lately?

Not much...

And he might never have another one of those if he continues to play like he does in the regular season.

If you are happy with his regular season play, then that's on you. Jay Cutler has a better QBR than Flacco in the regular season. That says it all.

 

Edited January 15 by JonnyBaltimore

[JonnyBaltimore]

37 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Wow, I can only imagine what would be said here if Flacco threw a pick like the one Russell Wilson just did.  

At least he made the playoffs.