Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Edgar]

20 minutes ago, flynismo said:

So...you'd ignore what every reporter and player says about him, based on what exactly?

There are countless examples through the media, including our own site and Twitter, of all the extra time Flacco puts in, that it blows my mind that people even bring this topic up.

Based on first hand information.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

 That sounds like giving the benefit of the doubt to me. I happen to believe Ellicott is closer to the truth.

 

Ok. Prove it. I'm a very simple guy. You don't have agree with me, just show why you believe he doesn't work hard other than just not being a fan of his. 

Because other NFL players don't consider someone a leader if they lack work ethic. 

[Edgar]

2 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Ok. Prove it. I'm a very simple guy. You don't have agree with me, just show why you believe he doesn't work hard other than just not being a fan of his. 

Because other NFL players don't consider someone a leader if they lack work ethic. 

I am a fan of his...with a varying measure of objectivity.

[Ravensfan23]

Just now, Edgar said:

I am a fan of his...with a varying measure of objectivity.

And? That doesn't prove or even give a reason to believe Flacco doesn't work hard. 

[Edgar]

3 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

And? That doesn't prove or even give a reason to believe Flacco doesn't work hard. 

So......you're ok with your faulty assumption then? Should I have let that casually slide? 

I know he isn't watching game film at 8am on Monday morning with coordinators. I know when he's asked if he'll be there his response is, "I'll be in in the afternoon". Not a specific time, mind you. This is not an isolated anecdote.

I know Ray Lewis implied as much about his work ethic.

I know he's a nine year veteran who, according to the coach, "needs to work on his reads..

I know he talked about getting together with receivers in 2010 (no reports he actually did), and again in 2014 only to....not get together.

I know he's capable of playing at an extremely high level. An inspired level ...the way he played in Pittsburgh.but for some reason this is not the Flacco we've come to expect....and it should be. That's how big a Flacco supporter I am.  I actually EXPECT him to be great.....

[frozen joe flacco fan]

55 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Again what are you talking about. I never gave an assessment of any WRs and if I did I said Sr clearly lost a step, Wallace doesn't run good enough routes to be anything more than a #3 deep threat, Pitta is nothing more than a checkdown option who needs to be replaced and Perriman needs to have the strongest offseason of his career because he has a lot to improve. That's the entire point, you jumped out there to support Flacco when it wasn't needed.  This is a Joe Flacco thread and I pointed out areas where I feel he can improve. You brought up the WR and now you're bashing the FO for what reason exactly?

I promise you I'm not trying to be a jerk here or enter into some type of measuring contest, I just literally don't know what you're talking about. All I said was Joe has some work to do this offseason, which btw Flacco himself said and you've taken that and done something completely different to it. 

Oh btw, I'm not that important to have any proteges 

I'm just trying to point out a fundamental truth, which is Joe is not the main problem. He needs to work on mechanics and going through progressions. That is true. However, what you and others fail to understand is that he is not the main problem. He can use this offseason to improve his accuracy all he wants but his receivers are not playmakers like some of the names dropped on this thread. I'm still waiting to hear what a complementary wide receiver is. That's one of Oz's priorities, isn't it? Who will the receiver complement? Despite the lack of talented playmakers on this team, Joe managed to complete 21 passes in a row in a game this year. Yeah, some of them were dink & dunk passes. He would have had the NFL record were it not for a dropped pass in the endzone by Wallace. Of course, its not the only time he's threaded the needle in the endzone only to have one of our erstwhile receivers drop a perfectly thrown ball. He's not throwing to Dez, Antonio, Megatron, Odell, Julio, Jordy or Gronk. He's been throwing to Kamar Aiken, Chris Moore, Marlon Brown, Darren Waller, Lee Evans and others who were past their prime. Remember, we decided Anquan Boldin wasn't worth the money and he's still ballin. I don't think Anquan left due to Joe's errant passes.

John Unitas was a pretty good QB in his day. I hope you would agree. He also had some pretty good weapons named Lenny Moore, John Mackey, Raymond Berry and Jimmy Orr, just to name a few. Yet, his career completion percentage is not as high as Joe's. I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I'm merely trying to point out to you that Joe is an excellent QB who would be even better if this organization would draft the right players. Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis were Oz's 1st & 2nd draft picks in 1996. He can't rest on his laurels forever or can he? Also, many Ravens fans who don't like Joe blame all the team's woes on him. I guess they didn't watch the 2nd Pittsburgh game. It was a very exciting game and Joe had it won. The defense gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. I feel Joe deserves a better fate than to be blamed for the obvious coaching deficiencies on this team. He's just a scapegoat and provides our head coach and front office with a smoke screen. That's all folks!    

[allblackraven]

After suffering through stupidity of these 90+ pages for a while, I just remembered the good old times and "Tyrod is better" thread.

Sigh....

[frozen joe flacco fan]

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

After suffering through stupidity of these 90+ pages for a while, I just remembered the good old times and "Tyrod is better" thread.

Sigh....

I feel your pain!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

40 minutes ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

I'm just trying to point out a fundamental truth, which is Joe is not the main problem. He needs to work on mechanics and going through progressions. That is true. However, what you and others fail to understand is that he is not the main problem. He can use this offseason to improve his accuracy all he wants but his receivers are not playmakers like some of the names dropped on this thread. I'm still waiting to hear what a complementary wide receiver is. That's one of Oz's priorities, isn't it? Who will the receiver complement? Despite the lack of talented playmakers on this team, Joe managed to complete 21 passes in a row in a game this year. Yeah, some of them were dink & dunk passes. He would have had the NFL record were it not for a dropped pass in the endzone by Wallace. Of course, its not the only time he's threaded the needle in the endzone only to have one of our erstwhile receivers drop a perfectly thrown ball. He's not throwing to Dez, Antonio, Megatron, Odell, Julio, Jordy or Gronk. He's been throwing to Kamar Aiken, Chris Moore, Marlon Brown, Darren Waller, Lee Evans and others who were past their prime. Remember, we decided Anquan Boldin wasn't worth the money and he's still ballin. I don't think Anquan left due to Joe's errant passes.

John Unitas was a pretty good QB in his day. I hope you would agree. He also had some pretty good weapons named Lenny Moore, John Mackey, Raymond Berry and Jimmy Orr, just to name a few. Yet, his career completion percentage is not as high as Joe's. I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I'm merely trying to point out to you that Joe is an excellent QB who would be even better if this organization would draft the right players. Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis were Oz's 1st & 2nd draft picks in 1996. He can't rest on his laurels forever or can he? Also, many Ravens fans who don't like Joe blame all the team's woes on him. I guess they didn't watch the 2nd Pittsburgh game. It was a very exciting game and Joe had it won. The defense gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. I feel Joe deserves a better fate than to be blamed for the obvious coaching deficiencies on this team. He's just a scapegoat and provides our head coach and front office with a smoke screen. That's all folks!    

Again I'm a big Joe supporter. 

But citing the Pittsburgh game of Joe playing great and ignoring 12-13 games where the offense couldn't move the ball proves what exactly?

Citing some useless near record for consecutive completions proves what again?

Yes. We need better weapons, an improved OL and run game. But Joe did not play up to par this year. He wasn't the whole problem but he was part of it. 

I get tired of the Joe bashing too... but trust me you're not helping the cause by being overly insensitive and acting like he played great this year. 

Youre going after some of the actual Joe supporters as if anyone says Joe needs to play better it's blasphemy. Harbs knows it. Ozzie knows it. Heck Joe himself knows it. 

And I'm confident with the offseason, being further removed from injury and improving the OL that Joe will be back next season. But my gosh - he did not play up to his standard in at least half the games this year. 

[JonnyBaltimore]

28 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

After suffering through stupidity of these 90+ pages for a while, I just remembered the good old times and "Tyrod is better" thread.

Sigh....

The funny thing is Tyrod has more Pro Bowls than Flacco. Regular season Joe is hardly better than Regular Season Tyrod. 

In fact in the regular season, Tyrod has performed better in the last 2 years.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

The funny thing is Tyrod has more Pro Bowls than Flacco. Regular season Joe is hardly better than Regular Season Tyrod. 

In fact in the regular season, Tyrod has performed better in the last 2 years.

Only bc Joe turned down his alternate invite. Otherwise they'd be tied. Sorry maybe next time. 

 

And played better based on what exactly?

[frozen joe flacco fan]

14 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Again I'm a big Joe supporter. 

But citing the Pittsburgh game of Joe playing great and ignoring 12-13 games where the offense couldn't move the ball proves what exactly?

Citing some useless near record for consecutive completions proves what again?

Yes. We need better weapons, an improved OL and run game. But Joe did not play up to par this year. He wasn't the whole problem but he was part of it. 

I get tired of the Joe bashing too... but trust me you're not helping the cause by being overly insensitive and acting like he played great this year. 

Youre going after some of the actual Joe supporters as if anyone says Joe needs to play better it's blasphemy. Harbs knows it. Ozzie knows it. Heck Joe himself knows it. 

And I'm confident with the offseason, being further removed from injury and improving the OL that Joe will be back next season. But my gosh - he did not play up to his standard in at least half the games this year. 

Well, there you go! That settles it!! Harbs knows it, huh? He didn't even seem to know Elvis Doomerville had a partially torn Achilles tendon.

I'm with you on the fix though. Fix the O-line, get the running game going again and add what Ozzie calls a complementary WR (whatever that means) and Joe will be back next season. Hopefully, Oz means a WR who complements Joe's skill set. I disagree that Joe didn't play up to his standard in at least half the games this year but I'm sure you are referring to the fact that he had 8 Ws and 8 Ls so its hard to argue about that.

[JonnyBaltimore]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Only bc Joe turned down his alternate invite. Otherwise they'd be tied. Sorry maybe next time. 

 

And played better based on what exactly?

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/careerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

AVG for last 2 years:

QBR rating Taylor 95.0

QBR rating Flacco 83.0

TDs / Ints

Taylor 37TD/12Ints

Flacco 34TD/27Ints

Taylor also had 1100 yards rushing for another 10 TDs and 1 Pro Bowl selection.

 

Hey I will take Taylor in the regular season and Flacco in the playoffs.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

2 minutes ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/careerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

AVG for last 2 years:

QBR rating Taylor 95.0

QBR rating Flacco 83.0

TDs / Ints

Taylor 37TD/12Ints

Flacco 34TD/27Ints

Taylor also had 1100 yards rushing for another 10 TDs and 1 Pro Bowl selection.

 

Hey I will take Taylor in the regular season and Flacco in the playoffs.

Great idea, Sport! Why didn't I think of that?

[arnie_uk]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, it is, which is why 61 yards was such an insane accomplishment in a dome. It was just the third ever from  at least 60

That's not what you said initially. You said it's easier kicking outside which is why the kick at the lions is a record. 

Anyway no big deal

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

That's not what you said initially. You said it's easier kicking outside which is why the kick at the lions is a record. 

Anyway no big deal

Yes, and that statement makes sense...

61 yards is a record for a dome, not an NFL record.

Edited January 13 by BmoreBird22

[Ravensfan23]

13 hours ago, Edgar said:

So......you're ok with your faulty assumption then? Should I have let that casually slide? 

I know he isn't watching game film at 8am on Monday morning with coordinators. I know when he's asked if he'll be there his response is, "I'll be in in the afternoon". Not a specific time, mind you. This is not an isolated anecdote.

I know Ray Lewis implied as much about his work ethic.

I know he's a nine year veteran who, according to the coach, "needs to work on his reads..

I know he talked about getting together with receivers in 2010 (no reports he actually did), and again in 2014 only to....not get together.

I know he's capable of playing at an extremely high level. An inspired level ...the way he played in Pittsburgh.but for some reason this is not the Flacco we've come to expect....and it should be. That's how big a Flacco supporter I am.  I actually EXPECT him to be great.....

The reason why I gave my opinion was because I was OK with it. I'm a Flacco fan as well and expect him to be great but that doesn't give me the right to question his work ethic when I've never been around him to know how he works. I'm in a competitive business with a lot of former athletes both college and professional, I know some of these men and women work their butts off 12-16 hours a day sometimes even more and they still aren't flawless in what they do. Just because Flacco still has areas to improve after nearly 10 years in the NFL doesn't mean he doesn't work hard. 

Again you don't have to take my opinion, it's my opinion not fact. I simply asked you to give evidence of your opinion which you did. But how is my assumption that if guys like Mason and Steve Smith who are as outspoken as any, would have called Flacco's work ethic in question by now faulty but you can use Ray Lewis, who didn't even stick to his word as an example? That's the definition of faulty. 

Not a single player or coach in 9 years other than Ray Lewis has questioned Flacco's work ethic, but reports are that he hasn't gotten with WRs in the offseason, it's safe to assume he doesn't put in work away from the castle?

[Ravensfan23]

12 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

I'm just trying to point out a fundamental truth, which is Joe is not the main problem. He needs to work on mechanics and going through progressions. That is true. However, what you and others fail to understand is that he is not the main problem. He can use this offseason to improve his accuracy all he wants but his receivers are not playmakers like some of the names dropped on this thread. I'm still waiting to hear what a complementary wide receiver is. That's one of Oz's priorities, isn't it? Who will the receiver complement? Despite the lack of talented playmakers on this team, Joe managed to complete 21 passes in a row in a game this year. Yeah, some of them were dink & dunk passes. He would have had the NFL record were it not for a dropped pass in the endzone by Wallace. Of course, its not the only time he's threaded the needle in the endzone only to have one of our erstwhile receivers drop a perfectly thrown ball. He's not throwing to Dez, Antonio, Megatron, Odell, Julio, Jordy or Gronk. He's been throwing to Kamar Aiken, Chris Moore, Marlon Brown, Darren Waller, Lee Evans and others who were past their prime. Remember, we decided Anquan Boldin wasn't worth the money and he's still ballin. I don't think Anquan left due to Joe's errant passes.

John Unitas was a pretty good QB in his day. I hope you would agree. He also had some pretty good weapons named Lenny Moore, John Mackey, Raymond Berry and Jimmy Orr, just to name a few. Yet, his career completion percentage is not as high as Joe's. I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I'm merely trying to point out to you that Joe is an excellent QB who would be even better if this organization would draft the right players. Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis were Oz's 1st & 2nd draft picks in 1996. He can't rest on his laurels forever or can he? Also, many Ravens fans who don't like Joe blame all the team's woes on him. I guess they didn't watch the 2nd Pittsburgh game. It was a very exciting game and Joe had it won. The defense gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. I feel Joe deserves a better fate than to be blamed for the obvious coaching deficiencies on this team. He's just a scapegoat and provides our head coach and front office with a smoke screen. That's all folks!    

OK that's one game in a entire season by that same rationale, people can point to Joe's back to back picks in the Jets game. It works both ways. The fact of the matter is you are jumping to the defense of Flacco when it's not required. This is a Joe Flacco thread, if you want to talk about the shortcomings of the WRs and the role they played in the poor offensive performance, find that thread and post there. But if you can't handle people giving their honest opinions of areas they'd like to see Flacco improve or you're so emotionally invested in defending Flacco that even he said there are things he needs to improve this off-season and you come to defense as if I cursed or condemned him then it's probably gonna be a long off-season for you. 

Also I didn't fail to realize anything. I've said on numerous occasions that the weapons around him need to improve, but that doesn't change the fact that he needs to work on his footwork and accuracy, especially in this offense. When it's time to talk about the weapons around him we can finish this convo but for now this is a Joe Flacco topic and if all you have is that the WRs need to get better, then yes that truly is all.....at least for me. 

[Edgar]

4 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The reason why I gave my opinion was because I was OK with it. I'm a Flacco fan as well and expect him to be great but that doesn't give me the right to question his work ethic when I've never been around him to know how he works. I'm in a competitive business with a lot of former athletes both college and professional, I know some of these men and women work their butts off 12-16 hours a day sometimes even more and they still aren't flawless in what they do. Just because Flacco still has areas to improve after nearly 10 years in the NFL doesn't mean he doesn't work hard. 

Again you don't have to take my opinion, it's my opinion not fact. I simply asked you to give evidence of your opinion which you did. But how is my assumption that if guys like Mason and Steve Smith who are as outspoken as any, would have called Flacco's work ethic in question by now faulty but you can use Ray Lewis, who didn't even stick to his word as an example? That's the definition of faulty. 

Not a single player or coach in 9 years other than Ray Lewis has questioned Flacco's work ethic, but reports are that he hasn't gotten with WRs in the offseason, it's safe to assume he doesn't put in work away from the castle?

I meant your assumption that I wasn't a fan.

[Ravensfan23]

24 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I meant your assumption that I wasn't a fan.

Oh I don't recall assuming you u weren't a fan. I was just asking why you chose to believe that he wasn't a hard worker. But If that's the impression I gave I stand corrected

[frozen joe flacco fan]

6 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

The reason why I gave my opinion was because I was OK with it. I'm a Flacco fan as well and expect him to be great but that doesn't give me the right to question his work ethic when I've never been around him to know how he works. I'm in a competitive business with a lot of former athletes both college and professional, I know some of these men and women work their butts off 12-16 hours a day sometimes even more and they still aren't flawless in what they do. Just because Flacco still has areas to improve after nearly 10 years in the NFL doesn't mean he doesn't work hard. 

Again you don't have to take my opinion, it's my opinion not fact. I simply asked you to give evidence of your opinion which you did. But how is my assumption that if guys like Mason and Steve Smith who are as outspoken as any, would have called Flacco's work ethic in question by now faulty but you can use Ray Lewis, who didn't even stick to his word as an example? That's the definition of faulty. 

Not a single player or coach in 9 years other than Ray Lewis has questioned Flacco's work ethic, but reports are that he hasn't gotten with WRs in the offseason, it's safe to assume he doesn't put in work away from the castle?

 

3 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

OK that's one game in a entire season by that same rationale, people can point to Joe's back to back picks in the Jets game. It works both ways. The fact of the matter is you are jumping to the defense of Flacco when it's not required. This is a Joe Flacco thread, if you want to talk about the shortcomings of the WRs and the role they played in the poor offensive performance, find that thread and post there. But if you can't handle people giving their honest opinions of areas they'd like to see Flacco improve or you're so emotionally invested in defending Flacco that even he said there are things he needs to improve this off-season and you come to defense as if I cursed or condemned him then it's probably gonna be a long off-season for you. 

Also I didn't fail to realize anything. I've said on numerous occasions that the weapons around him need to improve, but that doesn't change the fact that he needs to work on his footwork and accuracy, especially in this offense. When it's time to talk about the weapons around him we can finish this convo but for now this is a Joe Flacco topic and if all you have is that the WRs need to get better, then yes that truly is all.....at least for me. 

Wow! I don't know what you do but for someone who claims to be in a competitive business, you don't handle criticism very well. Just read your above posts. You like to throw darts at others but don't like it when folks reciprocate. Well, I hope your business is prospering and your record was better than 8-8 this year. I see you have been a member for almost 10 years and have posted 8,890 posts. I don't know how someone who is in a competitive business finds the time to read all of these blog posts and respond twice a day unless you're a journalist. Congrats on that! TCB!!! 

Since this is a Joe Flacco: Tough Talk thread and we're on page 94 of 94, I'll rest my defense of Joe by stating categorically that I think Joe is regressing in his mechanics and skills. On that point, I'm sure you agree. The more important question to pose here in this thread is why he is regressing. That's more complicated and its where you and I cannot agree. To me, its patently obvious why he is regressing and not progressing. There are a variety of reasons, some of which are within his control and some of which are not. I would submit that 90% of the reasons are beyond his control so he can only deal with the 10% as I'm sure he will. Unfortunately, the NFL places a high value on $$$$$$$. A former boss of mine was fond of saying "A hungry dog hunts best." I believe that Joe is not as hungry as he was and that is part of his problem but not all of it. If it were the only problem, it should also affect the play of other highly paid QBs.

 

[gtalk12]

safe to say everyone who enjoys rooting for this team is frustrated with the lack of success the Ravens have had with all the promise Flacco and the Ravens showed. The Ravens have not been the perennial playoffs contender we all thought they would be. The reality is that the problems do not begin or end on one side of the ball or a player for that matter. Luck has not been on our side over the last couple of years, can you imagine what could have been if Kubiak stayed with us and Flacco?

 

we are all frustrated

[PurpleCity5]

18 hours ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

The funny thing is Tyrod has more Pro Bowls than Flacco. Regular season Joe is hardly better than Regular Season Tyrod. 

In fact in the regular season, Tyrod has performed better in the last 2 years.

Are you serious? Lol. 

[RayRayRaven]

23 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

How many threads are you and your ilk going to bring up this phantom trade idea where the team actually loses money and therefore would be crippled for at least 2 years without the ability to add talent and maybe not even sign all of its draft picks - extra picks don't help if you haven't got any money to pay them

 

22 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

You're an idiot if you think the Ravens can or will trade Joe Flacco this offseason.  It's literally impossible.  There's just absolutely no way that can financially occur.  Even if we wanted to trade him we're married to him for the time being and he's got the leverage.  

not only do I believe it if stevie b will eat the dead money for a couple years we'll be right in the catbirds seat...stevie don't know football but he knows a good business deal

22 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Trading Flacco? Lmao. Okay.

Never gonna happen. Sorry guys, not financially possible. 

stevie b is already callin joe out lets hope he sees the logic.trade joe, eat the dead money. get two number 1's for smokin joe, lose amess of games, draft high and pound the draft for the future. it is golden the usc qb is key

19 hours ago, JonnyBaltimore said:

http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/careerstats

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

AVG for last 2 years:

QBR rating Taylor 95.0

QBR rating Flacco 83.0

TDs / Ints

Taylor 37TD/12Ints

Flacco 34TD/27Ints

Taylor also had 1100 yards rushing for another 10 TDs and 1 Pro Bowl selection.

 

Hey I will take Taylor in the regular season and Flacco in the playoffs.

I want draft picks for joe but a straight up trade for taylor wont provide the two year cushion of stockpiling high picks. taylor would prolly win more games than joe, what we need is those four high #1 draft picks in 2018 and 2019 to really build

Edited January 14 by RayRayRaven

[usmccharles]

This thread keeps getting funnier

[rossihunter2]

37 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

not only do I believe it if stevie b will eat the dead money for a couple years we'll be right in the catbirds seat...stevie don't know football but he knows a good business deal

stevie b is already callin joe out lets hope he sees the logic.trade joe, eat the dead money. get two number 1's for smokin joe, lose amess of games, draft high and pound the draft for the future. it is golden the usc qb is key

I want draft picks for joe but a straight up trade for taylor wont provide the two year cushion of stockpiling high picks. taylor would prolly win more games than joe, what we need is those four high #1 draft picks in 2018 and 2019 to really build

It's not dead money we'd be eating - it's essentially negative cap space - and a debilitating amount of it - you trade Joe away you also have to clear out our good players

i find it hilarious that you say Steve bisciotti will see it as a good business deal

also your obsession with this being a team that needs to be torn apart is hilarious - the Ravens went 8-8 and should have been better off - that does not strike me as a team in crisis

either you are a troll or an idiot, I'm not sure which one of those two propositions is more comforting

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

not only do I believe it if stevie b will eat the dead money for a couple years we'll be right in the catbirds seat...stevie don't know football but he knows a good business deal

stevie b is already callin joe out lets hope he sees the logic.trade joe, eat the dead money. get two number 1's for smokin joe, lose amess of games, draft high and pound the draft for the future. it is golden the usc qb is key

I want draft picks for joe but a straight up trade for taylor wont provide the two year cushion of stockpiling high picks. taylor would prolly win more games than joe, what we need is those four high #1 draft picks in 2018 and 2019 to really build

So ignorant, yet so assured of himself.

It's only January but I'm confident this is a serious contender for the dumbest post of the year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

So ignorant, yet so assured of himself.

It's only January but I'm confident this is a serious contender for the dumbest post of the year.

You've missed a particular thread about a week ago then...

 

but it this is in contention.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm glad Steve biscotti is the only one who runs this team

[JoeyFlex5]

 

7 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

not only do I believe it if stevie b will eat the dead money for a couple years we'll be right in the catbirds seat...stevie don't know football but he knows a good business deal

stevie b is already callin joe out lets hope he sees the logic.trade joe, eat the dead money. get two number 1's for smokin joe, lose amess of games, draft high and pound the draft for the future. it is golden the usc qb is key

I want draft picks for joe but a straight up trade for taylor wont provide the two year cushion of stockpiling high picks. taylor would prolly win more games than joe, what we need is those four high #1 draft picks in 2018 and 2019 to really build

this is just shocking. 

given concrete factual evidence that trading flacco is not only unfeasible, but flat out insane, and you still run a mile with an inch of a comment from steve. 

"steve already called out joe" lol and? he also called out harbaugh and marty and then gave harbaugh free reign to retain marty. steve is incredibly transparent yet has made it more than obvious that he isnt one for firing as a businessman, and that he is too smart to take a massive hit from trading flacco, and even if he wasnt financially tied to it he is committed in a football sense, because stability means success, patience is key, and franchise qbs are by far the hardest thing to find, and if you even have HALF of a franchise qb you squeeze every last bit of success out of him before you hit the basement and wait for a perfect storm to bring you another franchise qb. 

all the draft picks in the world mean nothing when we draft cant miss qb prospects with them and they turn out to be busts which happens a lot more often than you seem to realize.