Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[OUravensfan]

Dalton sucks 

[flynismo]

15 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

So how did Wilson's day go yesterday?

LMAO

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a response

Edited November 29, 2016 by flynismo

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Flacco a game manager?  Rubbish, but I would prefer to have him as a game changer.  Consequently, when was the last time we won because of him???  You may want to sleep on that question due to the timely research.  Pathetic, to say the least.

Week 2 at Cleveland. I didn't even have to look it up either.

Edited November 29, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

In Joe's press conference after the game he talked about needing to improve, and needing to keep the pedal down and step on the necks of opponents to close out games... 

I think partially he's talking about execution, but he also alluded to early on running uptempo and it working and then later going away from it and getting conservative with the play calling.

My issue is - if this is how you feel Joe, take control of it! Don't wait until after the game to voice your opinion to the media.... go straight to Marty on the sideline and tell him what you want to do. You're the franchise player. You have that clout. And, if you are saying this and pounding the desk for it and Marty's not listening then go to Harbs. Or, just go and do it! I know Favre didnt wait for permission if he saw something he wanted to attack or do.

I doubt Rodgers does, Brady, Manning, etc... 

I cant say Joe isnt calling for it, but he definitely isnt taking control and just doing it. I understand wanting to be a team player and not go over the coaches head or undermine his authority, but youre THE GUY. Youre the leader. If this is how you feel, then put it on your shoulders, do it and life with the results good or bad.

 

I love Joe. But I dont want to hear him say what we should or shouldnt have done after the game. If you think something needs to happen and its not - then just DO IT.

You can call a play at the line. You know what plays you like, what your guys like, etc... go with a handful of plays and run a drive yourself and tune Marty out. Guarantee if you're moving the chains Marty's not gonna get mad and try to slow you down.

Edited November 29, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

In Joe's press conference after the game he talked about needing to improve, and needing to keep the pedal down and step on the necks of opponents to close out games... 

I think partially he's talking about execution, but he also alluded to early on running uptempo and it working and then later going away from it and getting conservative with the play calling.

My issue is - if this is how you feel Joe, take control of it! Don't wait until after the game to voice your opinion to the media.... go straight to Marty on the sideline and tell him what you want to do. You're the franchise player. You have that clout. And, if you are saying this and pounding the desk for it and Marty's not listening then go to Harbs. Or, just go and do it! I know Favre didnt wait for permission if he saw something he wanted to attack or do.

I doubt Rodgers does, Brady, Manning, etc... 

I cant say Joe isnt calling for it, but he definitely isnt taking control and just doing it. I understand wanting to be a team player and not go over the coaches head or undermine his authority, but youre THE GUY. Youre the leader. If this is how you feel, then put it on your shoulders, do it and life with the results good or bad.

 

I love Joe. But I dont want to hear him say what we should or shouldnt have done after the game. If you think something needs to happen and its not - then just DO IT.

You can call a play at the line. You know what plays you like, what your guys like, etc... go with a handful of plays and run a drive yourself and tune Marty out. Guarantee if you're moving the chains Marty's not gonna get mad and try to slow you down.

I could go both ways with this...

Tempo is great... when its working. Everybody sees the first drive and says "hey, lets just do that everytime", but its obviously not that simple.

One reason that perhaps we appear to be so good on the opening drive is because, in most cases, OC's script the first handful of plays each game. They spend an entire week gameplanning and oftentimes the first half dozen or more plays are scripted. 

There's no secret that Joe is a rhythm player. When he's in a "groove", he's as good as anybody I've seen in this league. 

But the fundamental "flaw" if you will regarding tempo is that it only works when it, well, works. A tempo-based offense that isn't converting passes or gaining enough on the ground turns into quick 3 and outs far too quickly... basically what you saw from Chip Kelly's Eagles offense last year. Its just an up-tempo offense that doesn't produce anything.

So you're pretty much right on point in both regards... its a combination of Joe making sure that the offense is operating the way he thinks it should AND executing it. I'm always leaning on the side of player execution as the main culprit for most issues, because at the end of the day, these coaches aren't scheming game plans to fail. They're seeing the same film and the same flaws that everybody else is seeing with their opponent. 

You could make a case that some coaches are better at adapting/changing based on current conditions, and I do agree with that. But the key to everything is executing it. 

I've never once seen anybody rip a gameplan that worked well, nor have I ever really seen anybody praise a gameplan that failed miserably. Game plans and schemes get a Pass or Fail grade, and its entirely based on the overall outcome at the end for the grading.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I could go both ways with this...

Tempo is great... when its working. Everybody sees the first drive and says "hey, lets just do that everytime", but its obviously not that simple.

One reason that perhaps we appear to be so good on the opening drive is because, in most cases, OC's script the first handful of plays each game. They spend an entire week gameplanning and oftentimes the first half dozen or more plays are scripted. 

There's no secret that Joe is a rhythm player. When he's in a "groove", he's as good as anybody I've seen in this league. 

But the fundamental "flaw" if you will regarding tempo is that it only works when it, well, works. A tempo-based offense that isn't converting passes or gaining enough on the ground turns into quick 3 and outs far too quickly... basically what you saw from Chip Kelly's Eagles offense last year. Its just an up-tempo offense that doesn't produce anything.

So you're pretty much right on point in both regards... its a combination of Joe making sure that the offense is operating the way he thinks it should AND executing it. I'm always leaning on the side of player execution as the main culprit for most issues, because at the end of the day, these coaches aren't scheming game plans to fail. They're seeing the same film and the same flaws that everybody else is seeing with their opponent. 

You could make a case that some coaches are better at adapting/changing based on current conditions, and I do agree with that. But the key to everything is executing it. 

I've never once seen anybody rip a gameplan that worked well, nor have I ever really seen anybody praise a gameplan that failed miserably. Game plans and schemes get a Pass or Fail grade, and its entirely based on the overall outcome at the end for the grading.

I agree 100% with your comment.

And I know i spoke mostly to the tempo, since that's what Joe's comments alluded to. But, its not just specifically that. Its anything and everything. If Joe sees something on the field that he's confident can and will work, and hes either not communicating that to his OC so he can implement it into his play calling, or if he is doing that and Marty's not calling a game that caters to what Joe is seeing and wanting to do - then, just in general, Joe needs to take ownership of the offense and just do it.

Do it and if it fails, at least you went down swinging the way you wanted to. Dont keep quiet and then give us the hindsight stuff in the media. Dont tell me what you wanted to do, or what probably couldve worked. Be the man, do it, and be the hero if it works, or take ownership if it doesnt.

But hes the engine with which this offense is going to live or die. If he feels the offense isnt being called or operated in a way that suits what he thinks would be most effective, then we're missing the boat and he needs to grab the thing by the reins, and do his thing.

No ones going to cry about success. And hes not going to get fired for being confident in what he believes and just doing it. I think thats what everyone wants in their QB.

Of course execution is the biggest part. The greatest ideas dont work if you dont implement them properly. The best route to beat a certain coverage doesnt work if the receiver doesnt run it properly. The best thrown passes arent completed if the receiver drops it. A perfectly dialed up play doesnt work if the QB cant get to his proper progression bc pressures in his lap.

But Joe spoke to philosophical things. And in those cases, he needs to just do what he thinks is right. Put the team on your shoulders for better or worse.

And if one or two more drives stall or end quickly bc of it, but we turn that 1 FG into a TD, or that one punt into a FG - that could literally be the difference between us sitting pretty with a 2-3 game lead and being where we're at right now. Sure, it could swing the other way and be the difference between us being 5-6, 4-7... but im willing to ride with my QB.

Bc if we dont get him into gear, we're not going to make much noise anyways. Our ability to win late this season and in the playoffs will be determined almost 100% by the offenses ability to put more points on the board. So id rather go all in trying to fix it and be a little more aggressive, than conservatively try to hold on to 1 or 2 more wins that ultimately wont get us anything but a WC round defeat and worse draft pick.

Edited November 29, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[flynismo]

Yet another record for the Flacco

27 completions in the first half!!

[Tank 92]

47 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Yet another record for the Flacco

27 completions in the first half!!

Not bad game management.  

Pretty remarkable how well things go when you get some protection and can have confidence in your receivers. Props to the O line, they played well today and also to Aiken, Wallace, Perriman and Smitty.

[arnie_uk]

It's all the oline. give him time and he'll  eat teams alive. Don't give him time, he can get rattled and feel phantom pressure.

Oline oline oline

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, arnie_uk said:

It's all the oline. give him time and he'll  eat teams alive. Don't give him time, he can get rattled and feel phantom pressure.

Oline oline oline

Is it the O line?  lol  

This especially true right now coming off the knee. 

 

[flynismo]

17 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

It's all the oline. give him time and he'll  eat teams alive. Don't give him time, he can get rattled and feel phantom pressure.

Oline oline oline

Yep, same story, different year. When they give Flacco clean pockets like they did today, it doesnt matter what the RBs do, or the defense does, we're going to win, against anybody. Well, except the 2014 playoff game against NE lol...defense just has to make a few stops here and there

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Yep, same story, different year. When they give Flacco clean pockets like they did today, it doesnt matter what the RBs do, or the defense does, we're going to win, against anybody. Well, except the 2014 playoff game against NE lol...defense just has to make a few stops here and there

We stay healthy we can win the big dance. We are a team no one is going to want to play if we make the postseason

[jimmypowder]

This game just confirms to me that if you give Joe excellent protection he can be an elite QB . 

If Joe had the Dallas Cowboys line he would have 3-4 td throws every game . Sometimes 5 .

[flynismo]

Just now, jimmypowder said:

This game just confirms to me that if you give Joe excellent protection he can be an elite QB . 

If Joe had the Dallas Cowboys line he would have 3-4 td throws every game . Sometimes 5 .

.....have been saying that for six years now. LOL. Welcome to the club!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Joe did NOT suck today! He even looked like a real qb

[jimmypowder]

3 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Joe did NOT suck today! He even looked like a real qb

 

Yeah that can happen when you have a clean pocket and excellent protection . 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

He doesn't even need an elite oline. Just an adaquate one. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

If the OL continues to play like they did today we can win out. 

Keep Joe clean and just let him go into December/January mode. 

With this D and ST no ones going to want to see us. 

 

But it next week is the real test... that's the measuring stick of where we're really at. Are we a real contender? Or just a playoff hopeful?

Ilike the matchup. Especially with Gronk out. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lmao to the person who negged the Flacco supporter comments. We know it's either one of two people upset that he actually dominated today and they are upset that he will stay here for the next half decade as well.

 

Get a life

[flynismo]

20 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Lmao to the person who negged the Flacco supporter comments. We know it's either one of two people upset that he actually dominated today and they are upset that he will stay here for the next half decade as well.

 

Get a life

They were just being objective and unbiased you homer

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

8 minutes ago, flynismo said:

They were just being objective and unbiased you homer

I forgot. I should bow down to the wisdom of @wizard1. What great advice can you give me?

 

Oh wait....

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I forgot. I should bow down to the wisdom of @wizard1. What great advice can you give me?

 

Oh wait....

None anymore. He bet on and guaranteed a Ravens loss today. The wager was he would never return if we won. 

We'll see if he holds up his end. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

None anymore. He bet on and guaranteed a Ravens loss today. The wager was he would never return if we won. 

We'll see if he holds up his end. 

That's what the Oh wait, was about

[K-Dog]

14 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I forgot. I should bow down to the wisdom of @wizard1. What great advice can you give me?

 

Oh wait....

Quoth the Raven.

"Nevermore... "

[sflegend89]

Anyone else think Ray's comments lit a fire under Flacco? I've never seen him so vocal and involved with teammates. This is what many of us have been calling for, we know he can't change his personality but just to make an effort to be a more vocally active teammate in-game and I think we're finally seeing it.

[Ravensfan23]

25 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Anyone else think Ray's comments lit a fire under Flacco? I've never seen him so vocal and involved with teammates. This is what many of us have been calling for, we know he can't change his personality but just to make an effort to be a more vocally active teammate in-game and I think we're finally seeing it.

I honestly saw no difference in Joe Flacco. He was no more or less vocal. When things go as well as they did today you'll always see guys laughing and having a good time on the sideline.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

37 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Anyone else think Ray's comments lit a fire under Flacco? I've never seen him so vocal and involved with teammates. This is what many of us have been calling for, we know he can't change his personality but just to make an effort to be a more vocally active teammate in-game and I think we're finally seeing it.

No I didn't see much different in terms of him being vocal. 

It looks like the game plan was more in line with what he's been calling for - up tempo, more spread out, quick passing. 

So maybe he was more demanding in terms of input in the offensive game plan. 

 

But I think mostly the OL is finally healthy and consistent from a personnel stand point. Joe was kept clean, so they were able to execute and stay in rhythm. 

No more no less. If the OL plays that like consistently we're gonna be tough to be. 

Its not a coincidence we started 3-0 with a healthy OL, then went 0-4 with Stanley and Yanda missing time and have now gone 4-1 with Stanley back. 

[K-Dog]

55 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

Anyone else think Ray's comments lit a fire under Flacco? I've never seen him so vocal and involved with teammates. This is what many of us have been calling for, we know he can't change his personality but just to make an effort to be a more vocally active teammate in-game and I think we're finally seeing it.

I think it made no difference whatsoever. 

Today I saw the same Joe I am used to. Rays words had no impact on Joe or today's game.

[flynismo]

2 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Anyone else think Ray's comments lit a fire under Flacco? I've never seen him so vocal and involved with teammates. This is what many of us have been calling for, we know he can't change his personality but just to make an effort to be a more vocally active teammate in-game and I think we're finally seeing it.

He looked no different than any other day.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but it didn't feel like the offense really looked deep all that often. Felt like they really tried to keep it underneath and intermediate, but Flacco was throwing some absolute dimes.

Like, damn, this was about as good a game as I've ever seen from Flacco, outside of the one pick.