Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[VermontRaven]

Interesting comparison of Flacco stats through first 11 games in 2012 and 2016:

Let's hope the comparison continues into the postseason!

Samuel Njoku–  ‏@SamNjokuSports

In 2012: Joe Flacco had 14 TDs and 8 INTs for 2,850 yards for the first 11 games of the season. 2016: 11 TDs and 10 INTs for 2,877

6:10 AM - 28 Nov 2016

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[jdynamite]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Flacco looks like a straight boss when he has protection and can step into the throw. He zips it to the WR's. That interception yesterday wasn't his fault. 

 

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

reading some of the things you say then reading the above statement really contradicts a lot of the things that you try to argue against Joe. 

I gotta agree with usmccharles, I mean I barely scrolled upward and there was 3 different comments lol. Where the opinions range from Flacco should have sat out the year to "heal" to his injury is old news. 

 

It's okay to have varying opinions, and give credit when it is due, but man that was a complete 180 lol

[redrum52]

10 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Interesting comparison of Flacco stats through first 11 games in 2012 and 2016:

Let's hope the comparison continues into the postseason!

Samuel Njoku–  ‏@SamNjokuSports

 

In 2012: Joe Flacco had 14 TDs and 8 INTs for 2,850 yards for the first 11 games of the season. 2016: 11 TDs and 10 INTs for 2,877

6:10 AM - 28 Nov 2016

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We played better teams in 2012 and it's rules have made it easier to pass now.  who knows how this season ends though.

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

 

I gotta agree with usmccharles, I mean I barely scrolled upward and there was 3 different comments lol. Where the opinions range from Flacco should have sat out the year to "heal" to his injury is old news. 

 

It's okay to have varying opinions, and give credit when it is due, but man that was a complete 180 lol

It was a good laugh

[jdynamite]

On 11/26/2016 at 3:55 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Those are three examples. 

We've got Jaylon Smith missing an entire year, maybe more, RGIII losing his job, Webb dropping off the face of the Earth after 2012, and I'm sure there are many others because Dr. James Andrew did a study that found only 63% of players that tore their ACL actually came back to play in another game.

To be fair Jaylon Smith's issue isn't the ACL or recovering from that ACL, it's the nerve damage he sustained that makes his future uncertain. It's never mentioned but LB Sean Spence suffered a similar injury ACL,LCL, dislocated kneecap and nerve damage to his knee in 2012 he returned to play eventually. 

*RG3 is a great one, although there were many variables at play, he seemed to never trust his legs, feared getting hurt again to certain extent. 

Webb came back strong from his first ACL tear in his rookie year, but 2012 tear really robbed him of his ability. 

Daunte Culpepper is a great example after his knee blew up in 2005 his career basically ended from there. 

Man I still wish Terrell Davis could have returned health back then darn ACLs. 

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

reading some of the things you say then reading the above statement really contradicts a lot of the things that you try to argue against Joe. 

He makes me really mad and then really happy. 

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, jdynamite said:

 

I gotta agree with usmccharles, I mean I barely scrolled upward and there was 3 different comments lol. Where the opinions range from Flacco should have sat out the year to "heal" to his injury is old news. 

 

It's okay to have varying opinions, and give credit when it is due, but man that was a complete 180 lol

What I said was my opinion. I think Wilson is better than Flacco. You homers can never be objective. I'm giving credit where credit is due. He made great throws yesterday. There's no denying that he's made rookie decisions this year so buzz off big fella. 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

He makes me really mad and then really happy. 

after 9 seasons you shouldn't be shocked

[Deflated Football]

Just now, usmccharles said:

after 9 seasons you shouldn't be shocked

So you're agreeing he's inconsistent? That's exactly what I've been saying. I'm not contradicting anything. 

[Deflated Football]

Bad things happen when Flacco throws off his back foot. Good things happen when he steps into his throws. Looks like he's getting his confidence back especially with that double digit scramble. I'm sorry I criticized him then rescinded it when he finally made good decisions 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

So you're agreeing he's inconsistent? That's exactly what I've been saying. I'm not contradicting anything. 

Ive always stated that hes consistently inconsistent.  My thoughts on Joe have always been pretty clear, or I at least thought so

[Deflated Football]

Just now, usmccharles said:

Ive always stated that hes consistently inconsistent.  My thoughts on Joe have always been pretty clear, or I at least thought so

Okay then Charlie. We're on the same page then brother. 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Okay then Charlie. We're on the same page then brother. 

I never expected him to be Rodgers or Brady, but he shows up when it counts

[Deflated Football]

Just now, usmccharles said:

I never expected him to be Rodgers or Brady, but he shows up when it counts

Especially in the playoffs. Always thought he would be a game manager, and a damn good one at that. Curious to see where we go with our next QB in a few years. 

[usmccharles]

28 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Especially in the playoffs. Always thought he would be a game manager, and a damn good one at that. Curious to see where we go with our next QB in a few years. 

well for the next three its Joe.  And I still question who holds back this offense more, the coaching or Joe.  I would like to see some stats on passes over 20 yards or more over Joe's years and compare them to this year. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

40 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Especially in the playoffs. Always thought he would be a game manager, and a damn good one at that. Curious to see where we go with our next QB in a few years. 

If he can stay healthy then we'll stick with Joe. He's historically durable and he can take a hell of a beating. His inconsistency is maddening, but he usually does good enough to get is into the playoffs where he does play like an above average QB. Game manager is honestly the wrong word. Andy Dalton and Alex Smith are game managers. They are not supposed to make mistakes, they make the easy reads, they play it safe. Flacco takes risks, sometimes really dumb ones. Flacco will try to (and he has in the past) make the big play to win the game. Not a game manager. Just inconsistent. 

 

Which is fine. All I want him to do is be good enough for us to win a SB. Which he has proven he can do. 

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

What I said was my opinion. I think Wilson is better than Flacco. You homers can never be objective. I'm giving credit where credit is due. He made great throws yesterday. There's no denying that he's made rookie decisions this year so buzz off big fella. 

So how did Wilson's day go yesterday?

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, jdynamite said:

To be fair Jaylon Smith's issue isn't the ACL or recovering from that ACL, it's the nerve damage he sustained that makes his future uncertain. It's never mentioned but LB Sean Spence suffered a similar injury ACL,LCL, dislocated kneecap and nerve damage to his knee in 2012 he returned to play eventually. 

*RG3 is a great one, although there were many variables at play, he seemed to never trust his legs, feared getting hurt again to certain extent. 

Webb came back strong from his first ACL tear in his rookie year, but 2012 tear really robbed him of his ability. 

Daunte Culpepper is a great example after his knee blew up in 2005 his career basically ended from there. 

Man I still wish Terrell Davis could have returned health back then darn ACLs. 

We're pretty much in agreement that it is entirely hit or miss. Some of these guys have never had a major injury in their life and coming back to play against these behemoths of men has to be daunting.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

So how did Wilson's day go yesterday?

1 yard in the first half.... Yes, that is a single digit.

[Tank 92]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

1 yard in the first half.... Yes, that is a single digit.

lol..... right. Wonder if LT will do a one yard skip to illustrate.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Ordinarily that would be a major factor, but this year not as much  

He's been hampered by an injury limiting his mobility for majority of the games this year, and their run game has been terrible in comparison to other seasons. They are ranked in the bottom 10 in team rushing just like The Ravens are.   Russell has probably escaped a few sacks still but he hasn't been able to constantly get 1st downs with his legs like the previous years. 

I don't mean that he's running for tons of yardage or getting tons of first downs by running.

Rather, what I mean is that the threat of him running off of read option plays suck in the linebackers and safeties and help create far more 1 on 1s for those receivers and creates massive windows over the middle.

If you watch RGIII in his rookie season, the amount of wide open throws he had in the intermediate and deep range was unreal. Take away that threat of running and constrict those windows and it was a whole new ball game.

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

So how did Wilson's day go yesterday?

It is so pointless to compare qbs with out a baseline of what you (each poster) value in your QB.  It goes with when making the argument like Ryan vs Joe.  Do you want a regular season stat collector or a post season monster.  That's the issue I have with a lot of people on here, they want to bash Joe but never say what barometer they use to judge him, went through this with Ravensbeast or something when he was complaining about Joe's contract but refused to state what would he like to see production wise for his contract

[Deflated Football]

15 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

So how did Wilson's day go yesterday?

Don't be condescending 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

It is so pointless to compare qbs with out a baseline of what you (each poster) value in your QB.  It goes with when making the argument like Ryan vs Joe.  Do you want a regular season stat collector or a post season monster.  That's the issue I have with a lot of people on here, they want to bash Joe but never say what barometer they use to judge him, went through this with Ravensbeast or something when he was complaining about Joe's contract but refused to state what would he like to see production wise for his contract

Update: Good suggestion, but very few here want to take the conversation that high. Tried it weeks ago. It would be great if they did.

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Update: Good suggestion, but very few here want to take the conversation that high. Tried it weeks ago. It would be great if they did.

Maybe you were in the discussion when we were talking about market value In this thread

[Willbacker]

1 hour ago, Deflated Football said:

Especially in the playoffs. Always thought he would be a game manager, and a damn good one at that. Curious to see where we go with our next QB in a few years. 

This is classic. Joe is a game manager.

[Wisdom]

Flacco a game manager?  Rubbish, but I would prefer to have him as a game changer.  Consequently, when was the last time we won because of him???  You may want to sleep on that question due to the timely research.  Pathetic, to say the least.

[jdynamite]

10 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

What I said was my opinion. I think Wilson is better than Flacco. You homers can never be objective. I'm giving credit where credit is due. He made great throws yesterday. There's no denying that he's made rookie decisions this year so buzz off big fella. 

Lol. There are quite a bit of homers, I'm not one of them, unfortunately for me because I bet watching games would be a little less stressful then ??. 

 

I'm even keel after all these years, I know Flacco will never be an All-Pro QB, but I'm not one of these fools ( not calling you one either ) that say trade him, cut him after every game. When realistically speaking it's not even possible with the salary cap. 

[Deflated Football]

2 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Lol. There are quite a bit of homers, I'm not one of them, unfortunately for me because I bet watching games would be a little less stressful then ??. 

 

I'm even keel after all these years, I know Flacco will never be an All-Pro QB, but I'm not one of these fools ( not calling you one either ) that say trade him, cut him after every game. When realistically speaking it's not even possible with the salary cap. 

I'm with you. He just controls my emotions like an ex girlfriend. 

[HoldingCall]

On 11/26/2016 at 11:20 AM, Tank 92 said:

 

 

I will not compare Joe to other QBs because it accomplishes nothing. Rather, I will stick to questioning some of their routine choices and what I'd rather see from Joe and the offense. First, their routine choices!  A quick look at stats shows that Dennis Pitta leads the team in receptions. Then, only SSS, Wallace and Pitta have more receptions than Juszczyk.  A TE leading the team isn't as shocking as the FB being 4th in receptions. I believe these routine choices are hampering the offense, particularly in the red-zone where the team usually settle for mostly field goals.