Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

I just want a top QB. At this point I'd rather have Derek Carr or Dak Prescott. Joe's boring and his rookie level issues are annoying.

lol    Send that Dallas O line and maybe a Dez or Cooper this way and I think you're opinion changes.  rookie level issues......smh

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

lol    Send that Dallas O line and maybe a Dez or Cooper this way and I think you're opinion changes.  rookie level issues......smh

Add Elliot to the mix too

[HoldingCall]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

lol    Send that Dallas O line and maybe a Dez or Cooper this way and I think you're opinion changes.  rookie level issues......smh

We as fans should maybe, not suggest another team's top resources before the Ravens can excel. True, it isn't all the QB fault but he shares the blame. I believe, WRs and QBs need adapt to each other; it's a two-way street. Joe appears to have a small window when adapting to receivers. Therefore mostly WRs with a wider than usual ability to adapt can do well. Example: Derrick Mason, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith Sr, all play/played near or at Hall of Fame ability level. It perhaps explains the requirement for a stronger than average run game and explains why the team loses more than they win whenever the run game falls below a particular level. Just my assessment of the QB/WR weakness issue. 

I am not suggesting a QB change but the team needs to acknowledge where they are, and adjust accordingly.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

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You know what? My catchphrase isn't even worth it in this moment

[Cillmatic]

4 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

lol    Send that Dallas O line and maybe a Dez or Cooper this way and I think you're opinion changes.  rookie level issues......smh

Heck, Russell Wilson does better than him with NO oline. Joe looks like a rookie, he has for a while now. He's REALLY streaky and that can only be accepted for so long before you start looking else where.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Tank 92]

33 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Heck, Russell Wilson does better than him with NO oline. Joe looks like a rookie, he has for a while now. He's REALLY streaky and that can only be accepted for so long before you start looking else where.

OK

[BmoreBird22]

I was really critical of Joe after the Browns game because it was a small stretch, but I felt the Dallas game, after a few high throws, was above average. It wasn't an elite or absurdly good showing, but given the talent at receiver, he did well. It was probably in his top three games this season.

[Deflated Football]

21 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

OK

It's true. Wilson is better than Flacco, and Wilson has a bad, maybe even worse offensive line than ours. 

[Deflated Football]

58 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Heck, Russell Wilson does better than him with NO oline. Joe looks like a rookie, he has for a while now. He's REALLY streaky and that can only be accepted for so long before you start looking else where.

Problem is we can't though. We're stuck with him for a rather long time unless we want to eat up a lot of dead money. 

[Edgar]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I was really critical of Joe after the Browns game because it was a small stretch, but I felt the Dallas game, after a few high throws, was above average. It wasn't an elite or absurdly good showing, but given the talent at receiver, he did well. It was probably in his top three games this season.

What are his three best games?

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

What are his three best games?

I thought he played reasonably well in the first Browns game and the second half of the second Browns game was good. Trying to remember how I felt about the Raiders game. He made some good throws that receivers failed on.

[BmoreBird22]

9 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

It's true. Wilson is better than Flacco, and Wilson has a bad, maybe even worse offensive line than ours. 

Wilson is a product of those legs.

[Deflated Football]

The injury excuse is getting rather old. Brady won MVP two seasons after tearing his ACL. Adrian Peterson won MVP a season after tearing his ACL. Carson Palmer put up monster numbers a year after tearing his ACL. You folks need to be objective with Flacco. His mechanics suck right now. His throws aren't accurate. He's making bad decisions and throwing it to defenders as if they're WR's for the Ravens. He looks lost out there. He looks like a rookie, so stop berating the criticizers because we aren't all homers. 

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Wilson is a product of those legs.

He played with a sprained right ankle and a sprained left MCL?

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

He played with a sprained right ankle and a sprained left MCL?

I know he did and had a stretch of three games where he threw zero touchdowns and one interception during that period of injury, against some porous defenses at that.

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I know he did and had a stretch of three games where he threw zero touchdowns and one interception during that period of injury, against some porous defenses at that.

Well that sounds familiar! 

[gtalk12]

Seattle averages on offense a massive 2 more points than the Ravens.......................................

 

They scored a grand total of 3 TDS more this year so far.

 

Total points they are 20th in the league to our 25

 

Wilson is so nice

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

The injury excuse is getting rather old. Brady won MVP two seasons after tearing his ACL. Adrian Peterson won MVP a season after tearing his ACL. Carson Palmer put up monster numbers a year after tearing his ACL. You folks need to be objective with Flacco. His mechanics suck right now. His throws aren't accurate. He's making bad decisions and throwing it to defenders as if they're WR's for the Ravens. He looks lost out there. He looks like a rookie, so stop berating the criticizers because we aren't all homers. 

Those are three examples. 

We've got Jaylon Smith missing an entire year, maybe more, RGIII losing his job, Webb dropping off the face of the Earth after 2012, and I'm sure there are many others because Dr. James Andrew did a study that found only 63% of players that tore their ACL actually came back to play in another game.

[Deflated Football]

4 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

Seattle averages on offense a massive 2 more points than the Ravens.......................................

 

They scored a grand total of 3 TDS more this year so far.

 

Total points they are 20th in the league to our 25

 

Wilson is so nice

11:2 touchdown to interception ratio compared to 10:9 touchdown to interception ratio. Seattle is also 7-2, homer. 

[Deflated Football]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Those are three examples. 

We've got Jaylon Smith missing an entire year, maybe more, RGIII losing his job, Webb dropping off the face of the Earth after 2012, and I'm sure there are many others because Dr. James Andrew did a study that found only 63% of players that tore their ACL actually came back to play in another game.

Well Flacco did, and maybe he should've taken another year off to rehab. 

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

I just want a top QB. At this point I'd rather have Derek Carr or Dak Prescott. Joe's boring and his rookie level issues are annoying.

Then you better be willing to spend the time losing in order to get one. And that's not just a year or two of losing.

You picked two franchises have spent literally a decade or longer looking for those types of players.

You fans freak out when we play a bad half. I can't even fathom how many of you would abandon ship after like a 4-5 year stretch of being completely irrelevant. 

 

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

Well Flacco did, and maybe he should've taken another year off to rehab. 

Nothing helps more than getting live reps. He always said it was mental, not physical with that knee. Rehab wasn't going to help.

[Edgar]

37 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought he played reasonably well in the first Browns game and the second half of the second Browns game was good. Trying to remember how I felt about the Raiders game. He made some good throws that receivers failed on.

I haven't replayed games this year so I'm going from memory as well. He made some throws week two but he was inconsistent, throwing two pretty bad picks.

By your estimation, and trust me I'm not coming after you... he played a good half vs. Cleveland. 

It's nearly to the point where if Joe DOESNT turn the ball over, we think that means he played fine.

Never mind a good game....Don't you think at least one great one in a ten game stretch might be stumbled upon? 

Can't think of a reason he shouldn't dominate tomorrow.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I haven't replayed games this year so I'm going from memory as well. He made some throws week two but he was inconsistent, throwing two pretty bad picks.

By your estimation, and trust me I'm not coming after you... he played a good half vs. Cleveland. 

It's nearly to the point where if Joe DOESNT turn the ball over, we think that means he played fine.

Never mind a good game....Don't you think at least one great one in a ten game stretch might be stumbled upon? 

Can't think of a reason he shouldn't dominate tomorrow.

I thought the Dallas game was very much a continuation of the second half of the Browns game.

I don't think the play calling did him any favors, but this may be a chance tomorrow to show that he's starting to get over that hurdle.

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

The injury excuse is getting rather old. Brady won MVP two seasons after tearing his ACL. Adrian Peterson won MVP a season after tearing his ACL. Carson Palmer put up monster numbers a year after tearing his ACL. You folks need to be objective with Flacco. His mechanics suck right now. His throws aren't accurate. He's making bad decisions and throwing it to defenders as if they're WR's for the Ravens. He looks lost out there. He looks like a rookie, so stop berating the criticizers because we aren't all homers. 

Really haven't seen anyone not being objective, except people saying Flacco looks "lost out there" or "like a rookie". Those characterizations are way overboard and not realistic. He's been getting smashed much of the season, and yes the knee has been messing with his head and mechanics. But if you have watched the games you see he is improving and gaining confidence.

Silly to make the comparisons you do as they really don't fit. And for what it's worth Flacco tore both ACL and MCL.

It ain't called being a homer, it's called looking at facts and realizing the truth of the situation.

[JoeyFlex5]

flacco clearly has been on the upswing lately. take into account the injury, the line, the injuries ON the line, the lack of SSS for a few weeks, the fact that forsett was our starter for the first month and played abysmal, the 4th oc in 3 years, and it all begins to make sense. 

the problem is, many people dont see flacco for what he is, a good qb who needs a solid team around him and a fitting gameplan and with these things he will bring wins, he doesnt have these things and he is struggling, as most qbs would on this disaster of an offensive roster. people instead see flacco as a scapegoat for a horrible offense of which he is only partially to blame.

[Deflated Football]

Flacco looks like a straight boss when he has protection and can step into the throw. He zips it to the WR's. That interception yesterday wasn't his fault. 

[flynismo]

On 11/26/2016 at 4:55 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Those are three examples. 

We've got Jaylon Smith missing an entire year, maybe more, RGIII losing his job, Webb dropping off the face of the Earth after 2012, and I'm sure there are many others because Dr. James Andrew did a study that found only 63% of players that tore their ACL actually came back to play in another game.

I didnt realize only 63% ever came back at all. I would have thought 85% or better -- and the ones who didn't I would have assumed were fringe players anyway. Good info.

[usmccharles]

54 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Flacco looks like a straight boss when he has protection and can step into the throw. He zips it to the WR's. That interception yesterday wasn't his fault. 

reading some of the things you say then reading the above statement really contradicts a lot of the things that you try to argue against Joe. 

[jdynamite]

On 11/26/2016 at 3:47 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

Wilson is a product of those legs.

Ordinarily that would be a major factor, but this year not as much  

He's been hampered by an injury limiting his mobility for majority of the games this year, and their run game has been terrible in comparison to other seasons. They are ranked in the bottom 10 in team rushing just like The Ravens are.   Russell has probably escaped a few sacks still but he hasn't been able to constantly get 1st downs with his legs like the previous years.