Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Joe played fine today. Defense couldn't hold up without Jimmy because Bryant is what killed us. Also we played too far off Witten. That made no sense the cushion we gave him 

Truth.

Simple reality is this. If Jimmy had played, the results likely would have been different.

 

[usmccharles]

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Wisdom said:

LOL, I'm sure the feelings are mutual. Hilarious.

I'm sure they are as well.  It's just funny when people get but hurt about irrelevant stuff

[Ravensfan23]

Wait a minute. When the heck did being down by 14 with a full 11:30 on the clock become garbage time? Flacco and the offense got this team within 7 points with 8:16 seconds left in the game. The offense got the ball back down by 10 with 1:50 left on the clock. Where is the garbage time yards and points?

[Edgar]

4 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm being completely serious..........

 

Its time to start looking for a new starting QB.  Yes....penalties were an issue today.

But the offenses's effectiveness hinges on the play of a sub par QB that cant see the throw. 

Flacco has to be benched for the year.  Playoffs or not.  He is playing terrible ball. 

We can point fingers all we like the coaching staff is even approaching games as if he is a game manger, instead of a multi million dollar, Super- Bowl winning QB. This to me speaks volumes.  They dont expect him to win games against good teams.  They coach him not to lose them. 

I don't think it would be at all unreasonable to target  a quarterback in or around the third round this year.

 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

3 hours ago, GhostofGrbac said:

Wait so now QB rating matters? Funny how it's just a "stupid stat" when anyone brings it up to show how bad Flacco has been. 

I will say that Joe looked a little better today. He still had issues with accuracy and reading the defense. But he did look a little more comfortable in the pocket. 

I'll never be a big Flacco fan, but the reality is we're stuck with him. Calling for him to be benched/traded is just a waste of time. It's not going to happen for a number of reasons. 

No. Here's what matters. Our record is 5-1 in games this year when we have held our opponents to 20 points or less. In games when our opponents scored more than 20 points, our record is 0-4. There was only one game when we held the opposition to less than 20 points and still lost by a score of 16-10 and that should have been in the win column were it not for some stupid mistakes on our part. This thread is ridiculous. Its not about Joe; its about the defense. Joe played today with his 7th different O-line. Ray Lewis' analysis didn't mention that. If Joe had a weapon like Ezekial Elliott, his QB rating would have been off the charts today. Did you see the kid leap frog over Tavon Young? AND let's face it - the last Dallas TD would have been picked off by a decent D-back. 

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

That didn't take long...

http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/68541-flacco-says-in-regards-to-the-cowboys-we-should-beat-this-team/

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

It's a moot point. We're on to Cincinnati. 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, DomMcRaven said:

It's a moot point. We're on to Cincinnati. 

God I just laughed so hard.  Nice reference 

[DomMcRaven]

32 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

God I just laughed so hard.  Nice reference 

LOL, it was such perfect timing. No way I couldn't take advantage of that. 

Edited November 21, 2016 by DomMcRaven

[DefensiveMind]

1 hour ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

No. Here's what matters. Our record is 5-1 in games this year when we have held our opponents to 20 points or less. In games when our opponents scored more than 20 points, our record is 0-4. There was only one game when we held the opposition to less than 20 points and still lost by a score of 16-10 and that should have been in the win column were it not for some stupid mistakes on our part. This thread is ridiculous. Its not about Joe; its about the defense. Joe played today with his 7th different O-line. Ray Lewis' analysis didn't mention that. If Joe had a weapon like Ezekial Elliott, his QB rating would have been off the charts today. Did you see the kid leap frog over Tavon Young? AND let's face it - the last Dallas TD would have been picked off by a decent D-back. 

Yeah its totally unreasonable to ask a 100 million dollar qb to put up more than 20 points every once in a while. God forbid we expect him to carry the team at times while getting paid like a qb who could

[PurpleCity5]

I don't think Joe played bad today, not by any stretch. My problem is that he wasn't great or elite today. This is a game where we knew our defense was going to be pushed to the limits without their top player and we knew that the offense needed to step up, not to mention he was coming into this game with a chip on his shoulder after getting called out by Ray Lewis. He didn't play bad, but he didn't play like elite QB. I'm trying to find the word for it but I just don't know what it is so I went with elite, whatever. Still, it just wasn't an impressive performance by Joe, I understand that this game can't be pitted solely on him, but you just wanted more from him. Some people point to Dak Prescott's OL but Joe had good protection this game. Pass blocking wise I don't think the OL was bad at all. We came into this game without Jimmy, but Dallas was missing plenty if guys such as Morris Claiborne and Barry Church, you would have to take advantage of that just as much as Dallas took advantage of us not having Jimmy.

[PurpleCity5]

48 minutes ago, DefensiveMind said:

Yeah its totally unreasonable to ask a 100 million dollar qb to put up more than 20 points every once in a while. God forbid we expect him to carry the team at times while getting paid like a qb who could

Disagree as well, you need Joe and the offense to win you these kind of games sometimes. You can't always rely on the defense to hold teams to under 20, especially to arguably the best offense at home. This was a game we needed the offense to lit it up and they didn't. 

Edited November 21, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Raving_Heathen]

7 hours ago, loveravensfootball said:

Joe Flacco didn't lose the game for us today.

No he didn't. Not at all. But is it unreasonable to expect him to put this team on his back against a questionable pass D to win the game? When was the last time Flacco was that guy? 3 seasons ago in the playoffs? Heck, when was the last time he orchestrated a decent 2 minute drill going into the half or late in the 4th? He's definitely had his chances this year.

Yes, the D was beyond putrid in the 2nd half, and people want to keep pointing to the fact that our O only got the ball 4 times, but that's a very selective/convenient truth. Dallas only got the ball THREE (3) times in the 2nd half. The Cowboys offense just obviously did a lot more with their opportunities, while our offense (yet again) didn't do enough. Just one extra sustained drive in the 2nd half, or just one extra scoring drive in the 1st when the Ravens had the Cowboys on the ropes could've changed the entire complexion and outcome of this game.

--- 1st Half --

TOP 2:30, 5 plays, 23 yards, punt

TOP 3:09, 6 plays, 90 yards, TD

TOP 1:49, 6 plays, 15 yards, punt

TOP 2:40, 3 plays, -5 yards (Zuttah holding), punt

TOP 4:18, 47 yards, 9 plays, FG

-- 2nd Half --

TOP 1:40, 4 plays, 22 yards, punt

TOP 3:07, 4 plays, 16 yards (Zuttah 15-yard penalty made it 2nd and 16 somewhere in there), punt

TOP 4:14, 9 plays, 75 yards, TD

TOP 1:50, 8 plays, 34 yards, end of game

I definitely don't want Flacco benched, but even before his injury last year, he wasn't playing well. And he's been pretty terrible overall this year. I just don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from this guy because we've seen much more. Shrugging my shoulders and saying that our franchise 9-year SB-MVP $120M QB "didn't lose the game for us today" or "played well enough to win today" week after week seems a bit ridiculous. That's something you say about, I don't know, Alex Smith.

[Tank 92]

Yeah, damn Flacco. How could he get all of those penalties to ruin drives. Do you know he didn't force Dallas to punt even once in the 2nd half?  How could he let them just repeatedly march down the field like that?  Can't rush the passer, can't cover.....time to dump him.   

[gjbflaraven]

For years now we have seen how joe is better in the no huddle he likes it, does great in the browns game, drives down the field against the cowboys on the last td drive yet they refuse to use it on a consistent basis.

[jimmypowder]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

Yeah, damn Flacco. How could he get all of those penalties to ruin drives. Do you know he didn't force Dallas to punt even once in the 2nd half?  How could he let them just repeatedly march down the field like that?  Can't rush the passer, can't cover.....time to dump him.   

Actually they did not punt from the last part of the 1st half thru the entire 2nd half! 

You are not gonna win with Joe Montana back at QB under that scenario. 

 

[callahan09]

I like to rewatch the losses before I give my analysis on what happened.  This game was not on Joe Flacco.  You could say it's on the offense to some degree, but a lot of why it's on the offense is because of the O Line (and Pitta) failing miserably to do their jobs.  Between the missed blocks (Pitta with a couple doozies in this game) and the drive-killing penalties, there's not much more you can ask of Flacco.  He wasn't perfect, far from it, but he took what was given to him, it's just that this offense as a whole isn't good enough for that to result in scoring consistently.

But the real story is actually how the defense completely failed to give us a chance to stay in this game.

On our last drive of the first half, we drove 47 yards in 10 plays and used up 4:18 of clock to score a field goal to up 10-7.  But then the defense gave up 63 yards in 8 plays in the final 1:37 of the half, allowing a field goal to tie the game going into halftime.

To start the 2nd half, Flacco throws 22 yards on first down.  Then on on the following first down play, West gets a carry for no gain.  On 2nd down, Pitta stays in and is assigned to block Demarcus Lawrence.  He fails miserably (Pitta had an absolutely terrible day as a blocker), just gets turnstiled, and Flacco gets leveled as he unloads deep for Mike Wallce.  The ball sails way high as he's hit while he throws and it's already 3rd down and 10 to go.  Lucky it wasn't intercepted, actually, but this is Pitta's fault on a catastophically failed block.  On 3rd down, he throws a comebacker to Wallace well beyond the first down marker.  A good defense play is made to knock the ball away as Wallace waits for it to reach him.  There was plenty of room (he was like 10 yards past the first down marker) that he could have kept coming back towards the line of scrimmage and gotten to that ball before the defender did and still been well past the first down marker, but he didn't - instead he turned around, took one step towards the line of scrimmage, and then planted himself and waited for the ball to get to him, giving the defender time and space to catch up and knock the ball away in front of him.

So, we punt and pin them back at their 8 yard line. I's tied up at 10-10, we've pinned them deep in their own territory, and the defense has not seen the field in 20 minutes of real time.  Despite being rested and having half-time to make a defensive adjustment (they had already begun to give up way too much to them on their final drives of the first half) they give up a 7 minute, 11 play, 92 yard touchdown drive to put us in the hole 17-10.

On our ensuing drive, Flacco throws a 5 yard pass on 1st down, setting up 2nd and 5.  On 2nd down, he runs it for 6 yards and a first down.  1st down again, we get a 9 yard carry from Dixon, but Zuttah is penalized for a late hit and sets us up at 2nd down and 16 to go instead of 2nd down and 1 to go.  Flacco picks up 11 yards with a screen pass to Mike Wallace on 2nd and 16, setting up 3rd and 5.  So on 3rd and 5, there's another screen pass to Wallace.  This time he gets drilled shortly after catching the pass, and the first down isn't achieved.  Nobody was open past the sticks.  The only other viable option might have been Juszczyk, but he was in the same area and would have also needed yards after the catch that he probably wouldn't have gotten (and Flacco would have had to wait longer to unload the ball anyway because Juszczyk hadn't yet turned for the ball by the time Wallace was already catching it, and the defenders that weren't near Juszczyk only weren't so because the ball was already on its way to Wallace and they were zeroing in on him, because that's where the ball was going).  OK, so the 3rd down play wasn't a good call, but there was nobody open past the sticks for Flacco to look for on this one anyway.  The screen had worked great on the previous play.  Good questoin is, why was the  same play called twice in a row, I think (Anybody else ever think, maybe the biggest problem outside of the offensive line and penalties is that our ever-changing offensive coordinators just aren't calling good plays!)

Anyway, we punt with more than 20 minutes of game clock left in the game, down by 1 score.  It's not a big deal at this point, and the defense should be counted on to do their job after we punt and pin them on the 12 yard line this time. After all, they've only been on the field for 1 drive in this half so far.   Our drive took up about 3 minutes off the clock, by the way.  We do not 3-and-out at all in the 2nd half.

But nevertheless, on the Cowboys' second drive of the half, we allow them to go 88 yards on 13 plays, eating up 8 minutes off the clock, and putting us in the holed 24-10 with only about 10 minutes to go in the game.

We did score a TD on our next drive, but then once again the defense lets them score, this time it's a field goal after a 13-play, 6 and a half minute drive in which we had to use all of our time outs.  So our defense not only gave up the points making it a 2-possession game again, but we didn't get the ball back until inside of 2 minutes remaining and with none of our timeouts left.

At this point, the game is lost (barring a miracle, which you're crazy if you think this offense is going to produce, on the road against the best team in the NFL).

The important thing to me is that starting with the Cowboys' first possession of the 2nd half, our defense went from having us in a tied game, to allowing 2 touchdowns and 15 minutes of possession on back-to-back drives.  That's a catastrophic failure.  That's as bad as you can do it.  It didn't happen because they were "tired" as I've seen suggested -- it was not the offense's fault that the defense failed.  Then when our offense adjusted and scored a TD on their 3rd drive of the 2nd half and got back to within 1 score, the defense once again failed, giving up nearly the entirety of the rest of the game clock, all of our timeouts, and another score that made it a two-possession game again.

Edited November 21, 2016 by callahan09

[redrum52]

17 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Wait a minute. When the heck did being down by 14 with a full 11:30 on the clock become garbage time? Flacco and the offense got this team within 7 points with 8:16 seconds left in the game. The offense got the ball back down by 10 with 1:50 left on the clock. Where is the garbage time yards and points?

I've asked before and never got an answer but when a the last time you felt confident this offense could lead a game winning drive with the ball in their hands last?  though it wasn't over, I'm pretty sure most felt the game was a wrap when they went up 14.

[BirdWatcher]

@callahan09 very nice summary.  Should be required reading.

[redrum52]

18 minutes ago, callahan09 said:

I like to rewatch the losses before I give my analysis on what happened.  This game was not on Joe Flacco.  You could say it's on the offense to some degree, but a lot of why it's on the offense is because of the O Line (and Pitta) failing miserably to do their jobs.  Between the missed blocks (Pitta with a couple doozies in this game) and the drive-killing penalties, there's not much more you can ask of Flacco.  He wasn't perfect, far from it, but he took what was given to him, it's just that this offense as a whole isn't good enough for that to result in scoring consistently.

But the real story is actually how the defense completely failed to give us a chance to stay in this game.

On our last drive of the first half, we drove 47 yards in 10 plays and used up 4:18 of clock to score a field goal to up 10-7.  But then the defense gave up 63 yards in 8 plays in the final 1:37 of the half, allowing a field goal to tie the game going into halftime.

To start the 2nd half, Flacco throws 22 yards on first down.  Then on on the following first down play, West gets a carry for no gain.  On 2nd down, Pitta stays in and is assigned to block Demarcus Lawrence.  He fails miserably (Pitta had an absolutely terrible day as a blocker), just gets turnstiled, and Flacco gets leveled as he unloads deep for Mike Wallce.  The ball sails way high as he's hit while he throws and it's already 3rd down and 10 to go.  Lucky it wasn't intercepted, actually, but this is Pitta's fault on a catastophically failed block.  On 3rd down, he throws a comebacker to Wallace well beyond the first down marker.  A good defense play is made to knock the ball away as Wallace waits for it to reach him.  There was plenty of room (he was like 10 yards past the first down marker) that he could have kept coming back towards the line of scrimmage and gotten to that ball before the defender did and still been well past the first down marker, but he didn't - instead he turned around, took one step towards the line of scrimmage, and then planted himself and waited for the ball to get to him, giving the defender time and space to catch up and knock the ball away in front of him.

So, we punt and pin them back at their 8 yard line. I's tied up at 10-10, we've pinned them deep in their own territory, and the defense has not seen the field in 20 minutes of real time.  Despite being rested and having half-time to make a defensive adjustment (they had already begun to give up way too much to them on their final drives of the first half) they give up a 7 minute, 11 play, 92 yard touchdown drive to put us in the hole 17-10.

On our ensuing drive, Flacco throws a 5 yard pass on 1st down, setting up 2nd and 5.  On 2nd down, he runs it for 6 yards and a first down.  1st down again, we get a 9 yard carry from Dixon, but Zuttah is penalized for a late hit and sets us up at 2nd down and 16 to go instead of 2nd down and 1 to go.  Flacco picks up 11 yards with a screen pass to Mike Wallace on 2nd and 16, setting up 3rd and 5.  So on 3rd and 5, there's another screen pass to Wallace.  This time he gets drilled shortly after catching the pass, and the first down isn't achieved.  Nobody was open past the sticks.  The only other viable option might have been Juszczyk, but he was in the same area and would have also needed yards after the catch that he probably wouldn't have gotten (and Flacco would have had to wait longer to unload the ball anyway because Juszczyk hadn't yet turned for the ball by the time Wallace was already catching it, and the defenders that weren't near Juszczyk only weren't so because the ball was already on its way to Wallace and they were zeroing in on him, because that's where the ball was going).  OK, so the 3rd down play wasn't a good call, but there was nobody open past the sticks for Flacco to look for on this one anyway.  The screen had worked great on the previous play.  Good questoin is, why was the  same play called twice in a row, I think (Anybody else ever think, maybe the biggest problem outside of the offensive line and penalties is that our ever-changing offensive coordinators just aren't calling good plays!)

Anyway, we punt with more than 20 minutes of game clock left in the game, down by 1 score.  It's not a big deal at this point, and the defense should be counted on to do their job after we punt and pin them on the 12 yard line this time. After all, they've only been on the field for 1 drive in this half so far.   Our drive took up about 3 minutes off the clock, by the way.  We do not 3-and-out at all in the 2nd half.

But nevertheless, on the Cowboys' second drive of the half, we allow them to go 88 yards on 13 plays, eating up 8 minutes off the clock, and putting us in the holed 24-10 with only about 10 minutes to go in the game.

We did score a TD on our next drive, but then once again the defense lets them score, this time it's a field goal after a 13-play, 6 and a half minute drive in which we had to use all of our time outs.  So our defense not only gave up the points making it a 2-possession game again, but we didn't get the ball back until inside of 2 minutes remaining and with none of our timeouts left.

At this point, the game is lost (barring a miracle, which you're crazy if you think this offense is going to produce, on the road against the best team in the NFL).

The important thing to me is that starting with the Cowboys' first possession of the 2nd half, our defense went from having us in a tied game, to allowing 2 touchdowns and 15 minutes of possession on back-to-back drives.  That's a catastrophic failure.  That's as bad as you can do it.  It didn't happen because they were "tired" as I've seen suggested -- it was not the offense's fault that the defense failed.  Then when our offense adjusted and scored a TD on their 3rd drive of the 2nd half and got back to within 1 score, the defense once again failed, giving up nearly the entirety of the rest of the game clock, all of our timeouts, and another score that made it a two-possession game again.

The same way the Flacco crew say certain people pop up after Flacco has a bad game you have a tendency to only do so when his performances haven't been terrible,  but I'll just assume you're busy because your posting is sporadic.

 

Anyway, I'll say the defense stunk 2nd half, but what was the offense doing with the other possessions anyway?  what about their play throughout the season gives you hope going further considering they struggle regardless of who they're playing.  Scoring early then vanishing until the 4th isn't a winning game plan, just like not having a team punt the 2nd half won't win you many games.  there's been games where the offense has had numerous opportunities just to provide the same results.  this sesson is tiring and the team is what it is at this point.

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, callahan09 said:

I like to rewatch the losses before I give my analysis on what happened.  This game was not on Joe Flacco.  You could say it's on the offense to some degree, but a lot of why it's on the offense is because of the O Line (and Pitta) failing miserably to do their jobs.  Between the missed blocks (Pitta with a couple doozies in this game) and the drive-killing penalties, there's not much more you can ask of Flacco.  He wasn't perfect, far from it, but he took what was given to him, it's just that this offense as a whole isn't good enough for that to result in scoring consistently.

But the real story is actually how the defense completely failed to give us a chance to stay in this game.

On our last drive of the first half, we drove 47 yards in 10 plays and used up 4:18 of clock to score a field goal to up 10-7.  But then the defense gave up 63 yards in 8 plays in the final 1:37 of the half, allowing a field goal to tie the game going into halftime.

To start the 2nd half, Flacco throws 22 yards on first down.  Then on on the following first down play, West gets a carry for no gain.  On 2nd down, Pitta stays in and is assigned to block Demarcus Lawrence.  He fails miserably (Pitta had an absolutely terrible day as a blocker), just gets turnstiled, and Flacco gets leveled as he unloads deep for Mike Wallce.  The ball sails way high as he's hit while he throws and it's already 3rd down and 10 to go.  Lucky it wasn't intercepted, actually, but this is Pitta's fault on a catastophically failed block.  On 3rd down, he throws a comebacker to Wallace well beyond the first down marker.  A good defense play is made to knock the ball away as Wallace waits for it to reach him.  There was plenty of room (he was like 10 yards past the first down marker) that he could have kept coming back towards the line of scrimmage and gotten to that ball before the defender did and still been well past the first down marker, but he didn't - instead he turned around, took one step towards the line of scrimmage, and then planted himself and waited for the ball to get to him, giving the defender time and space to catch up and knock the ball away in front of him.

So, we punt and pin them back at their 8 yard line. I's tied up at 10-10, we've pinned them deep in their own territory, and the defense has not seen the field in 20 minutes of real time.  Despite being rested and having half-time to make a defensive adjustment (they had already begun to give up way too much to them on their final drives of the first half) they give up a 7 minute, 11 play, 92 yard touchdown drive to put us in the hole 17-10.

On our ensuing drive, Flacco throws a 5 yard pass on 1st down, setting up 2nd and 5.  On 2nd down, he runs it for 6 yards and a first down.  1st down again, we get a 9 yard carry from Dixon, but Zuttah is penalized for a late hit and sets us up at 2nd down and 16 to go instead of 2nd down and 1 to go.  Flacco picks up 11 yards with a screen pass to Mike Wallace on 2nd and 16, setting up 3rd and 5.  So on 3rd and 5, there's another screen pass to Wallace.  This time he gets drilled shortly after catching the pass, and the first down isn't achieved.  Nobody was open past the sticks.  The only other viable option might have been Juszczyk, but he was in the same area and would have also needed yards after the catch that he probably wouldn't have gotten (and Flacco would have had to wait longer to unload the ball anyway because Juszczyk hadn't yet turned for the ball by the time Wallace was already catching it, and the defenders that weren't near Juszczyk only weren't so because the ball was already on its way to Wallace and they were zeroing in on him, because that's where the ball was going).  OK, so the 3rd down play wasn't a good call, but there was nobody open past the sticks for Flacco to look for on this one anyway.  The screen had worked great on the previous play.  Good questoin is, why was the  same play called twice in a row, I think (Anybody else ever think, maybe the biggest problem outside of the offensive line and penalties is that our ever-changing offensive coordinators just aren't calling good plays!)

Anyway, we punt with more than 20 minutes of game clock left in the game, down by 1 score.  It's not a big deal at this point, and the defense should be counted on to do their job after we punt and pin them on the 12 yard line this time. After all, they've only been on the field for 1 drive in this half so far.   Our drive took up about 3 minutes off the clock, by the way.  We do not 3-and-out at all in the 2nd half.

But nevertheless, on the Cowboys' second drive of the half, we allow them to go 88 yards on 13 plays, eating up 8 minutes off the clock, and putting us in the holed 24-10 with only about 10 minutes to go in the game.

We did score a TD on our next drive, but then once again the defense lets them score, this time it's a field goal after a 13-play, 6 and a half minute drive in which we had to use all of our time outs.  So our defense not only gave up the points making it a 2-possession game again, but we didn't get the ball back until inside of 2 minutes remaining and with none of our timeouts left.

At this point, the game is lost (barring a miracle, which you're crazy if you think this offense is going to produce, on the road against the best team in the NFL).

The important thing to me is that starting with the Cowboys' first possession of the 2nd half, our defense went from having us in a tied game, to allowing 2 touchdowns and 15 minutes of possession on back-to-back drives.  That's a catastrophic failure.  That's as bad as you can do it.  It didn't happen because they were "tired" as I've seen suggested -- it was not the offense's fault that the defense failed.  Then when our offense adjusted and scored a TD on their 3rd drive of the 2nd half and got back to within 1 score, the defense once again failed, giving up nearly the entirety of the rest of the game clock, all of our timeouts, and another score that made it a two-possession game again.

If only things would stop conspiring against Joe.

[RaineV1]

Without the drive killing penalties the offense would have scored more. When your offense is still trying to find its rhythm, penalties can destroy your chance of winning.

[Deflated Football]

20 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Without the drive killing penalties the offense would have scored more. When your offense is still trying to find its rhythm, penalties can destroy your chance of winning.

Yup, plus I didn't like the playcalling. Dixon had a lot of momentum but we kept feeding West. We needed to control the TOP. That's exactly why Dallas is on a win streak. Watching the Patriots yesterday against the 49ers, Brady kept hitting his receivers on simple slants. Why don't we do that more often, especially when Wallace and Perriman can score whenever they get the ball? Instead, Flacco panics after three or four seconds when he doesn't see his primary look open and everyone else is running downfield. Run, quick strikes with the occasional deep shot to keep defenders on their heels. Flacco has always succeeded with that. 

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

I've asked before and never got an answer but when a the last time you felt confident this offense could lead a game winning drive with the ball in their hands last?  though it wasn't over, I'm pretty sure most felt the game was a wrap when they went up 14.

They drove the length of the field in about 3 minutes in the 4th, so yeah it's really not a reach that the Ravens could have had a late game winning drive. But they didn't get the chance because the D gave up another long clock eating drive(13 plays, 6:30) and a score that sealed the loss. The game was lost because the D couldn't get off the field. Get over it.

I really hate the offense vs. defense arguments, but have to ask the question.......When was the last time you felt confident that the defense could stop an opponent at the end of a game? 

Edited November 21, 2016 by Tank 92

[redrum52]

15 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

They drove the length of the field in about 3 minutes, so yeah, it's really not a reach that the Ravens could have had a late game winning drive. But they didn't get the chance because the D gave up another long clock eating drive(13 plays, 6:30) and a score that sealed the loss. The game was lost because the D couldn't get off the field. Get over it.

I really hate the offense vs. defense arguments, but have to ask the question.......When was the last time you felt confident that the defense could stop an opponent at the end of a game? 

Numerous times this season they have.  Like the Jags game where your boy tried giving the game away by throwing a pick after they got him the ball back.  Defense has carried this team and if we had even an AVERAGE offense we'd probably have 7-8 wins.  3 of 4 years this offense has been pathetic and when the defense plays down to their standards we get games like this, that probably should've been worse.  The defense isn't other worldly but good enough to get it done if the other side could pull its weight.  And show me where I even tried defending their performance yesterday?

 

And I had no faith our d would stop them to give our offense another chance to fail by the way.

Edited November 21, 2016 by redrum52

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

I've asked before and never got an answer but when a the last time you felt confident this offense could lead a game winning drive with the ball in their hands last?  though it wasn't over, I'm pretty sure most felt the game was a wrap when they went up 14.

Honestly with the way the game was going I told my son that the Ravens couldn't afford to give up a TD there. However I don't think the Cowboys defense felt it was garbage time and they definitely didn't play like it. The fact is, the Ravens had success vs that defense all day, it was just self inflicted wounds that hurt the Ravens. But i'll honestly admit that my confidence level was as low as it could possibly get when they went up by 14, but then the offense cut the lead to 7 points with over 8 minutes left in the game and if not for a Judon penalty, the Cowboys would have been backed up at their own 5 yardline. That game was far from over when the Ravens scored. 

Oh and to answer your question, I think i'd have to go back to 2014 as the last time I had that don't worry 5 has the ball with a chance to win confidence in this offense. But everything they have a game winning opportunity i have hope. 

[Tank 92]

31 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Numerous times this season they have.  Like the Jags game where your boy tried giving the game away by throwing a pick after they got him the ball back.  Defense has carried this team and if we had even an AVERAGE offense we'd probably have 7-8 wins.  3 of 4 years this offense has been pathetic and when the defense plays down to their standards we get games like this, that probably should've been worse.  The defense isn't other worldly but good enough to get it done if the other side could pull its weight.  And show me where I even tried defending their performance yesterday?

 

And I had no faith our d would stop them to give our offense another chance to fail by the way.

haha....... Thanks you just reminded me why I shouldn't have wasted my time.

Edited November 21, 2016 by Tank 92

[redrum52]

24 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

haha....... Thanks you just reminded me why I shouldn't have wasted my time.

Easy... don't quote me.  Simple concept you seem to struggle with.

[Tank 92]

Just now, redrum52 said:

Easy... don't quote me.  Simple concept you seem to struggle with.

Easy?  What's easy?   lol    too much

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Since the SB win, and Joes subsequent large contract, this teams demise, has been squarely placed on his shoulders.

The lack of budget for more playmakers falls back on Joes salary/cap blow

The wanting to be pass happy all the time, falls directly on Joe. 

Its time to be smart. 

If this team continues to rely on Joes arm for wins, its a little better than 50/50 10 tds, 9 picks.

The need for a running game has been evident since we broke camp this summer.

For Joe not to recognize that, will be his undoing.

To just scrap the run in the 2nd half yesterday was unconscionable, and ultimately once again led to another loss.

 Stick with the running game- be smart

 

[The Raven]

2 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Since the SB win, and Joes subsequent large contract, this teams demise, has been squarely placed on his shoulders.

The lack of budget for more playmakers falls back on Joes salary/cap blow

The wanting to be pass happy all the time, falls directly on Joe. 

Its time to be smart. 

If this team continues to rely on Joes arm for wins, its a little better than 50/50 10 tds, 9 picks.

The need for a running game has been evident since we broke camp this summer.

For Joe not to recognize that, will be his undoing.

To just scrap the run in the 2nd half yesterday was unconscionable, and ultimately once again led to another loss.

 Stick with the running game- be smart

 

The running game that has been completely inadequate and unreliable for nearly two seasons now?

This is getting too easy...