Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[kjbmore]

In the back of my mind, I'm also thinking Ray might have done this to well and truly light a fire under Flacco.

If he had said something to him in private, would it truly motivate him - Ray might be playing at something here - for the betterment of his beloved Ravens - he knows our defence is on track.

Who knows maybe we see a Fired Up Flacco for the second half of the season?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

In the back of my mind, I'm also thinking Ray might have done this to well and truly light a fire under Flacco.

If he had said something to him in private, would it truly motivate him - Ray might be playing at something here - for the betterment of his beloved Ravens - he knows our defence is on track.

Who knows maybe we see a Fired Up Flacco for the second half of the season?

While ultimately I think this is reading too much into it (I mean he said this on FS1 w/ I believe Skip Bayliss, so it's right in line with that shock jock type of analysis)....

a similar thought has crossed my mind. I mean when Reed made similar comments in the media prior to either the 2011 or 2012 playoffs Joe went off afterward. 

Were coming up on a huge game, one that could go a long way to determining not only our playoff hopes but in what kind of team this really is.... a pretender or one that's finally got it together and can make some noise on a playoff run. 

Ray makes these comments, puts the pressure on and lights a competitive fire in Joe to shut him up and it's clearly rallying the team around him in support. 

Whether there's anything to it or not - it IS sort of unifying the team in support of their QB. Guys are publicly taking a stance against a franchise legend to defend their guy. That can only be a good thing. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

If we win this one it will be because of Rays comments, right? ?

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I agree with you that People need to give Flacco a. Reak..he is coming back from major knee surgery.

However, I wouldn't say the Cowboys game is our season. Would it be nice to win and make a statement!? Yes.  Is it a must-win? No. We have 3 more division games that will be a bigger factor in our season than this one (especially the game on Christmas at Pittsburgh)

Someone who understands basic math.

Thank you . 

[Cillmatic]

4 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I agree with you that People need to give Flacco a. Reak..he is coming back from major knee surgery.

However, I wouldn't say the Cowboys game is our season. Would it be nice to win and make a statement!? Yes.  Is it a must-win? No. We have 3 more division games that will be a bigger factor in our season than this one (especially the game on Christmas at Pittsburgh)

It's an emotional must win if we win this game our team will be EXTREMELY confident for the remainder of the season. This is a BIG game.

[K-Dog]

5 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

It's an emotional must win if we win this game our team will be EXTREMELY confident for the remainder of the season. This is a BIG game.

On the confidence scale, yes I agree this one would be huge.

[Tank 92]

43 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

In the back of my mind, I'm also thinking Ray might have done this to well and truly light a fire under Flacco.

If he had said something to him in private, would it truly motivate him - Ray might be playing at something here - for the betterment of his beloved Ravens - he knows our defence is on track.

Who knows maybe we see a Fired Up Flacco for the second half of the season?

 I doubt Joe gives diddly about what Ray said. And he doesn't need motivation, the dude has always been a tough competitor. 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Final-Drive-Joe-Flacco-Responds-To-Ray-Lewis/57bebc60-a20b-481d-a010-25c7039aa252  

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Defining Passion:

That's the thing. Ray has the right to his opinion like everyone should. For all that he did for the game and his era he deserves at least that. (Passion) It's about perspective and/or open-interpretation for everyone. The only thing I see going-on in this incident is that for the 1st time the Ravens are actually being mentioned for this game.

Ray's definition of passion is extroverted - Joe's is introverted, but no one achieves their levels of success without it in some form. Not in the NFL. Ray is really just saying, "I love you brother, but I need you to play better (with 3 explanation points)!!!". Joe is just saying, "I hear you brother, but I got this (with a quiet period). The teammates are really saying, "Yep, we got your back Joe!!! We're good brother Ray!!!" 

That's what it means to be Ravens for Life. GO Ravens!!!

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

 I doubt Joe gives diddly about what Ray said. And he doesn't need motivation, the dude has always been a tough competitor. 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Final-Drive-Joe-Flacco-Responds-To-Ray-Lewis/57bebc60-a20b-481d-a010-25c7039aa252  

Initially, I was one to quickly jump on that crucify Ray Lewis for his comments about Flacco's lack of passion bandwagon.  I said that it was spiteful and vindictive. While I still feel he could have chosen a private forum to disclose that information; I have since then rethought about Ray's statements about Joe.

Could it possibly be that Ray...who will forever be a Raven...knows the "timing" of when to drop something like this?  I mean...it is right before the Cowboys game when the Ravens are clearly the underdogs to the 8-1 Cowboys that own the #1 rushing attack.  They are behind enemy lines on the road, very few people are giving them a snowball's chance in hell to win this game and the Ravens offense has been struggling.  Ray's statement about Flacco...then becomes a "rallying cry" of some sorts to further galvanize the team for battle.  Could it be that?

I remember when Luck and the Colts were coming to town for a playoff game.  Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with and recovering from cancer.  They had "Chuck Strong" banners, hats, t-shirts etc., in support of the coach.  In essence, they were coming into Baltimore with an "emotional cause".  Ray's statement; "I told my team, that this would be my last ride!" did just that!  It galvanized the gang and also gave them an "emotional cause" to match their intensity. 

Everyone was already playing for themselves BUT when they heard Ray announcing his retirement?  It was on!   They went on an incredible run and won the Super Bowl! Now, I'm not saying that the Ravens win a Super Bowl off of this statement about Joe...although that would be welcomed.  But, what if...what if...that interview falls into the same vein as the last ride?  Think about it!  Everyone is talking about it and look how people have come together in support of Joe...even in here!  Hopefully, they can harness all of this support, and uncork and unleash it on Dem Bumz tomorrow!   

GO RAVENS!!

 

Edited November 20, 2016 by Militant X 1

[kjbmore]

We're staring at the tough part of our schedule kicking off with the Cowboys

we may be looking for some passion and inspiration from now to the end of the season, I hope we have it in the building, particularly on offense.

If we sputter down the stretch - particularly on offense, particularly Joe, I think this would give some credence to rays opinions 

If we miss the playoffs again, we have to look at everybody's performance and ask the hard questions 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Initially, I was one to quickly jump on that crucify Ray Lewis for his comments about Flacco's lack of passion bandwagon.  I said that it was spiteful and vindictive. While I still feel he could have chosen a private forum to disclose that information; I have since then rethought about Ray's statements about Joe.

Could it possibly be that Ray...who will forever be a Raven...knows the "timing" of when to drop something like this?  I mean...it is right before the Cowboys game when the Ravens are clearly the underdogs to the 8-1 Cowboys that own the #1 rushing attack.  They are behind enemy lines on the road, very few people are giving them a snowball's chance in hell to win this game and the Ravens offense has been struggling.  Ray's statement about Flacco...then becomes a "rallying cry" of some sorts to further galvanize the team for battle.  Could it be that?

I remember when Luck and the Colts were coming to town for a playoff game.  Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with and recovering from cancer.  They had "Chuck Strong" banners, hats, t-shirts etc., in support of the coach.  In essence, they were coming into Baltimore with an "emotional cause".  Ray's statement; "I told my team, that this would be my last ride!" did just that!  It galvanized the gang and also gave them an "emotional cause" to match their intensity. 

Everyone was already playing for themselves BUT when they heard Ray announcing his retirement?  It was on!   They went on an incredible run and won the Super Bowl! Now, I'm not saying that the Ravens win a Super Bowl off of this statement about Joe...although that would be welcomed.  But, what if...what if...that interview falls into the same vein as the last ride?  Think about it!  Everyone is talking about it and look how people have come together in support of Joe...even in here!  Hopefully, they can harness all of this support, and uncork and unleash it on Dem Bumz tomorrow!   

GO RAVENS!!

 

I'd like to believe that, but Ray was answering a direct question about Flacco. It's not like he was asked about the Ravens as a whole and then singled out Flacco; which is what I think would have accomplished the goal you were proposing.

And strangely enough, after reading it a couple more times and thinking on it, after disagreeing with you at first, I'm starting to think you were right to call Ray spiteful and vindictive. Not just for calling Flacco's passion and leadership into question, but then going on to say that he doesn't know anyone that calls Flacco a great teammate and also going out of his way to make a distinction between teammates and friends....I dunno about all that man. All I know is that it was uncalled for.

Edited November 20, 2016 by flynismo

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

Initially, I was one to quickly jump on that crucify Ray Lewis for his comments about Flacco's lack of passion bandwagon.  I said that it was spiteful and vindictive. While I still feel he could have chosen a private forum to disclose that information; I have since then rethought about Ray's statements about Joe.

Could it possibly be that Ray...who will forever be a Raven...knows the "timing" of when to drop something like this?  I mean...it is right before the Cowboys game when the Ravens are clearly the underdogs to the 8-1 Cowboys that own the #1 rushing attack.  They are behind enemy lines on the road, very few people are giving them a snowball's chance in hell to win this game and the Ravens offense has been struggling.  Ray's statement about Flacco...then becomes a "rallying cry" of some sorts to further galvanize the team for battle.  Could it be that?

I remember when Luck and the Colts were coming to town for a playoff game.  Chuck Pagano was diagnosed with and recovering from cancer.  They had "Chuck Strong" banners, hats, t-shirts etc., in support of the coach.  In essence, they were coming into Baltimore with an "emotional cause".  Ray's statement; "I told my team, that this would be my last ride!" did just that!  It galvanized the gang and also gave them an "emotional cause" to match their intensity. 

Everyone was already playing for themselves BUT when they heard Ray announcing his retirement?  It was on!   They went on an incredible run and won the Super Bowl! Now, I'm not saying that the Ravens win a Super Bowl off of this statement about Joe...although that would be welcomed.  But, what if...what if...that interview falls into the same vein as the last ride?  Think about it!  Everyone is talking about it and look how people have come together in support of Joe...even in here!  Hopefully, they can harness all of this support, and uncork and unleash it on Dem Bumz tomorrow!   

GO RAVENS!!

 

 

Well Mili, the "last ride" thing was cool and all, but it coincided with the coming together of the offensive line of the Ravens(McKinney decided to play!  lol) and some other good fortune that propelled the Ravens into the post season and on to a SB victory.  IMO Ray's announcement may have provided for some temporary flame for the D, but in reality it had little or nothing to do with that incredible run.  No disrespect to Ray Ray the player, but that whole deal was over dramatized by both him and the media. 

Even though the Ravens may shock the world and beat the c boys tomorrow, the victory will have had nothing to do with Ray's disparaging remarks. Believe it or not, his team mates were already were riding with him and had his back. No matter what anyone may think, Joe is their leader. 

GO RAVENS!!!

Edited November 20, 2016 by Tank 92

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Someone who understands basic math.

Thank you . 

dallas, miami, pit, phi, and both bengals games are all swing games, they could go either way, none will be easy. 

NE is basically written in as a loss right now, although weve shocked the world before, just throwing it out there that if you wanna be realistic you can consider it a loss.. 

we already have lost 4 games, if NE is a loss then we have lost 5 games, the remainder of the schedule is all swing games, 1 loss puts us in danger if the steelers play to their potential for the remainder of the year and beat us in game 2, 2 losses almost eliminates us unless we sweep the division and the steelers play bad. 

we dont have much room for error for the remainder of this season. we need to win nearly all of our games that we have a legitimate shot in, if we lose to NE as projected, then the margin for error becomes even smaller, quite possibly a 1 loss max margin for every other game. 

[RayRayRaven]

4 hours ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

If we win this one it will be because of Rays comments, right? ?

oh yeah!  never take lightly the power of Ray winnin for us years later!

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, Tank 92 said:

 

Well Mili, the "last ride" thing was cool and all, but it coincided with the coming together of the offensive line of the Ravens(McKinney decided to play!  lol) and some other good fortune that propelled the Ravens into the post season and on to a SB victory.  IMO Ray's announcement may have provided for some temporary flame for the D, but in reality it had little or nothing to do with that incredible run.  No disrespect to Ray Ray the player, but that whole deal was over dramatized by both him and the media. 

Even though the Ravens may shock the world and beat the c boys tomorrow, the victory will have had nothing to do with Ray's disparaging remarks. Believe it or not, his team mates were already were riding with him and had his back. No matter what anyone may think, Joe is their leader. 

GO RAVENS!!!

While I don't think that Ray's "last ride" statement had everything to do with that awesome run the Ravens made, it may have had a lil' something to do with it. Many of the players even said that his announcement caught them off  guard and that they wanted to send him off right!  Again, I mention the "emotional cause".  Mr. Modell also died that season I believe Tank?  To me, there is something to be said for "emotional causes" in sports.  Sure, they don't also win games but they do provide that flame that you mentioned in a player(s) hearts.  Favre had it when his dad died and played lights out against the Raiders.  Torrey had it when his brother was killed and did the same.  The other night Dez played with a heavy heart after losing his dad the night before the Steelers game etc.

Again, by no means am I saying that the Ravens won the Super Bowl "solely off of a Ray Lewis speech, announcement or statement for that matter but those "emotional causes" can serve as a springboard for great things and are not to be easily discounted.

What is our "emotional cause: vs the Cowboys?  

Remaining UNDEFEATED AGAINST THEM AND SILENCING THEIR ARROGANT FAN BASE!!  

GO RAVENS!!

[flynismo]

11 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

While I don't think that Ray's "last ride" statement had everything to do with that awesome run the Ravens made, it may have had a lil' something to do with it. Many of the players even said that his announcement caught them off  guard and that they wanted to send him off right!  Again, I mention the "emotional cause".  Mr. Modell also died that season I believe Tank?  To me, there is something to be said for "emotional causes" in sports.  Sure, they don't also win games but they do provide that flame that you mentioned in a player(s) hearts.  Favre had it when his dad died and played lights out against the Raiders.  Torrey had it when his brother was killed and did the same.  The other night Dez played with a heavy heart after losing his dad the night before the Steelers game etc.

Again, by no means am I saying that the Ravens won the Super Bowl "solely off of a Ray Lewis speech, announcement or statement for that matter but those "emotional causes" can serve as a springboard for great things and are not to be easily discounted.

What is our "emotional cause: vs the Cowboys?  

Remaining UNDEFEATED AGAINST THEM AND SILENCING THEIR ARROGANT FAN BASE!!  

GO RAVENS!!

I absolutely agree with "emotional causes". But consider the great examples you mentioned:

Brett Favre after the death of his father.

Torrey after the death of his brother.

Dez after the death of his father.

Tragic, tragic losses that would send lesser men crumbling (and understandably so).

Ray Lewis flinging insults?

Not quite so inspiring in comparison, is it?

However - Remaining UNDEFEATED AGAINST THEM AND SILENCING THEIR ARROGANT FAN BASE!! 

Now that, that is something I can get down with! Obviously this is a big game for us. And, I think the "emotional causes" are going to be what wins us this game. We have put ourselves in a position where we cannot really afford to lose games. Dallas has put themselves in a position where losing this game isn't the end of the world for them. Our motivation should be higher; I think we'll fight harder for longer than they will.

[Tank 92]

14 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I absolutely agree with "emotional causes". But consider the great examples you mentioned:

Brett Favre after the death of his father.

Torrey after the death of his brother.

Dez after the death of his father.

Tragic, tragic losses that would send lesser men crumbling (and understandably so).

Ray Lewis flinging insults?

Not quite so inspiring in comparison, is it?

However - Remaining UNDEFEATED AGAINST THEM AND SILENCING THEIR ARROGANT FAN BASE!! 

Now that, that is something I can get down with! Obviously this is a big game for us. And, I think the "emotional causes" are going to be what wins us this game. We have put ourselves in a position where we cannot really afford to lose games. Dallas has put themselves in a position where losing this game isn't the end of the world for them. Our motivation should be higher; I think we'll fight harder for longer than they will.

Beat the cowgirls into submission!!!    GO RAVENS!

[Virginia 55]

I'm being completely serious..........

 

Its time to start looking for a new starting QB.  Yes....penalties were an issue today.

But the offenses's effectiveness hinges on the play of a sub par QB that cant see the throw. 

Flacco has to be benched for the year.  Playoffs or not.  He is playing terrible ball. 

We can point fingers all we like the coaching staff is even approaching games as if he is a game manger, instead of a multi million dollar, Super- Bowl winning QB. This to me speaks volumes.  They dont expect him to win games against good teams.  They coach him not to lose them. 

[loveravensfootball]

Joe Flacco didn't lose the game for us today. The team lost the game. The defense couldn't stop Dak and the Cowboys once in the second half and after those first four punts, I think I saw that they didn't stop them again? You can't win the game if the defense doesn't stop the opposing offense once in the second half.

The offense was moving the ball, until we had those penalties. Also, the offense barely touched the ball in the second half. Dallas controlled the time of possession overwhelmingly in the second half. 

Joe Flacco was 4/7 for 75 yards and a TD with 7 or 8 minutes left in the game. The defense never stopped Dak and we got the ball back with less than 2 mins down 2 scores. Joe did miss some easy throws but on a whole, this was a team loss. He didn't lose the game for the Ravens today. The whole team did. Last time I checked, football was still a team sport.

[Moderator 3]

27 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I'm being completely serious..........

 

Its time to start looking for a new starting QB.  Yes....penalties were an issue today.

But the offenses's effectiveness hinges on the play of a sub par QB that cant see the throw. 

Flacco has to be benched for the year.  Playoffs or not.  He is playing terrible ball. 

We can point fingers all we like the coaching staff is even approaching games as if he is a game manger, instead of a multi million dollar, Super- Bowl winning QB. This to me speaks volumes.  They dont expect him to win games against good teams.  They coach him not to lose them. 

He puts up nearly a 100 rating and you want him benched?  You just showed yourself as a player-hater.

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

He puts up nearly a 100 rating and you want him benched?  You just showed yourself as a player-hater.

well, there's a great revelation!  lol

[The Raven]

I think it says a lot that Steve had a good day with Joe throwing the ball to him, but hardly anybody else showed up. 

Seriously. Week after week, Joe looks good throwing to Steve but struggles throwing to anyone else. What the hell's up with that?

[GhostofGrbac]

42 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

He puts up nearly a 100 rating and you want him benched?  You just showed yourself as a player-hater.

Wait so now QB rating matters? Funny how it's just a "stupid stat" when anyone brings it up to show how bad Flacco has been. 

I will say that Joe looked a little better today. He still had issues with accuracy and reading the defense. But he did look a little more comfortable in the pocket. 

I'll never be a big Flacco fan, but the reality is we're stuck with him. Calling for him to be benched/traded is just a waste of time. It's not going to happen for a number of reasons. 

Edited November 20, 2016 by GhostofGrbac

[Virginia 55]

44 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

He puts up nearly a 100 rating and you want him benched?  You just showed yourself as a player-hater.

Maybe if you consider garbage time stats as stats.  The guy doesn't bring much to the position.  Outplayed by a rookie with about the same amount of talent on offense.  Sure, I showed my true colors.  He needs to be benched, then replaced, in that order. 

 

I'm a player hater and we are 5-5 with a Qb that has not won a game this year against a winning team. Before you talk about how its a team game he has 5 tds against an 0-11 team. Not my idea of a good QB. 

 I'll wear that badge with honor.

[Moderator 3]

8 minutes ago, GhostofGrbac said:

Wait so now QB rating matters? Funny how it's just a "stupid stat" when anyone brings it up to show how bad Flacco has been. 

I will say that Joe looked a little better today. He still had issues with accuracy and reading the defense. But he did look a little more comfortable in the pocket. 

I'll never be a big Flacco fan, but the reality is we're stuck with him. Calling for him to be benched/traded is just a waste of time. It's not going to happen for a number of reasons. 

Just shows how it goes both ways. 

It's usually the "haters" that reference rating.  Just taking one back. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Maybe if you consider garbage time stats as stats.  The guy doesn't bring much to the position.  Outplayed by a rookie with about the same amount of talent on offense.  Sure, I showed my true colors.  He needs to be benched, then replaced, in that order. 

 

I'm a player hater and we are 5-5 with a Qb that has not won a game this year against a winning team. Before you talk about how its a team game he has 5 tds against an 0-11 team. Not my idea of a good QB. 

 I'll wear that badge with honor.

LOL, pretty sure his stats in garbage time were worse than his stats when the game was still winnable. But I guess when you don't watch the game its hard to know that.

Nobody cares what badge you wear. This ain't the cub scouts. You're going to be watching Joe play QB for this team for at least the next few years.

You can wear whatever badge you want and it won't change a thing about that.

[Crimson Raven]

18 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, pretty sure his stats in garbage time were worse than his stats when the game was still winnable. But I guess when you don't watch the game its hard to know that.

Nobody cares what badge you wear. This ain't the cub scouts. You're going to be watching Joe play QB for this team for at least the next few years.

You can wear whatever badge you want and it won't change a thing about that.

Seriously. If anything, our #1 defense blew it.

[GrimCoconut]

Joe played fine today. Defense couldn't hold up without Jimmy because Bryant is what killed us. Also we played too far off Witten. That made no sense the cushion we gave him 

[rmcjacket23]

49 minutes ago, Crimson Raven said:

Seriously. If anything, our #1 defense blew it.

Well, both sides blew it. They have to back each other up.

Defense couldn't get off the field in the 2nd half obviously, but we still had four drives where we ran a total of 18 plays, so averaging right at 4.5 plays per drive. We scored 0 points on those drives and had a total of 61 yards.

Only had the ball on offense four times in the 2nd half, and the first two we did nothing. By that point, you're strictly in pass-only mode pretty much.

[Militant X 1]

That didn't take long...

http://boards.dallascowboys.com/topic/68541-flacco-says-in-regards-to-the-cowboys-we-should-beat-this-team/