Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Ravens419]

22 minutes ago, flynismo said:

“It’s just odd that you hear Ray Lewis saying something. Joe Flacco won you a Super Bowl, did you forget about that?” Weddle said. “I don’t know. It is what it is. We love Joe. He’s our guy. He’s a great teammate, professional, leads, everything you want. It’s kind of irrelevant. We don’t really care what the outside thinks. For an old teammate to say that, it’s just like, ‘Don’t you have something better to talk about?’ I guess he didn’t.”

I love Weddle so much so happy he's on this team 

[Wisdom]

8 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I think spiteful and vindictive may be a tad strong...if he took Flacco's comments a certain way, then I can't knock him for wanting to get a retort in there.

My issue is, Ray seems to think there are two ways of doing things: his way, and the wrong way.

Maybe if every other teammate Joe has ever had didn't have his back, or would have said something similar to what Ray did, this would be a non-issue.

No love lost for Ray, I have always said he has a ridiculous ego, and too many people have no clue what leadership is, when they mistake squirrel dances for leadership. Ray is a legend, love him to death. But when you're wrong, you're wrong...

Ridiculous!  How do you know what the man thinks?  Are you a mind reader?  LOL!  Since his opinion is different from yours he then of course must be wrong.  I can't stop laughing!!!! 

[flynismo]

15 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

Ridiculous!  How do you know what the man thinks?  Are you a mind reader?  LOL!  Since his opinion is different from yours he then of course must be wrong.  I can't stop laughing!!!! 

How do I know? Because I am blessed with the gift of literacy. You should try it sometime.

[Militant X 1]

24 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I think spiteful and vindictive may be a tad strong...if he took Flacco's comments a certain way, then I can't knock him for wanting to get a retort in there.

My issue is, Ray seems to think there are two ways of doing things: his way, and the wrong way.

Maybe if every other teammate Joe has ever had didn't have his back, or would have said something similar to what Ray did, this would be a non-issue.

No love lost for Ray, I have always said he has a ridiculous ego, and too many people have no clue what leadership is, when they mistake squirrel dances for leadership. Ray is a legend, love him to death. But when you're wrong, you're wrong...

They're not strong to me.  And, egos don't bother me as such cause we all have them if we're honest.  Joe's ego had him to answer; "Yea!" to the question; "Do you think that you are an elite QB?"  Again, nothing wrong with that but for my man Ray to bring that up about Joe's lacking passion and sitting by himself on the sidelines etc., when that wasn't even the question?  I believe that there may have been something lodged in his heart about Joe and that question brought it to the surface.

[kjbmore]

The initial question asked why is Flacco inconsistent - I think the initial response has merit.

The rest of the commentary was a result of letting Ray, talk and talk and talk.

Flacco is inconsistent - why does Ray think he's inconsistent?

Ignoring the rest of Ray's diatribe - I accept what he says about Joes passion and drive. 

Sighting Joe rehabbing his knee doesn't speak to passion for me, finishing the game after blowing up his knee isn't passion - that's toughness. 

What seperates great from good and this is exactly what Ray initially refers to. Everybody in the NFL is talented but to be truly great and consistently head and shoulders above your competition requires another level of passion, drive, work.

This is what Ray is referring to.

Joe and any of his supporters brush it off as his personality but he truly strikes me as just a meh kind of person - if he wins, it's all good, if he loses its not the end of the world.

He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who after a loss, will be studying tape, putting in extra work, won't stop until he literally can't do anymore and then he wakes up and gets back to it again until it's better or you physically can't do anymore - guys like Smith, Lewis, Brady do and those guys will be going to the HOF

lot of talented people but to be at that next level takes something else and I don't think Joe has 'IT' Ray was just saying it, the rest of his comments whatever

weve seen what Joe can do in the perfect situation but we've also seen that he can't elevate mediocre talent and he needs guys around him to elevate the offence

is what it is - he's our QB, wish he just found another level of drive and passion - a locked in 120% over drive Flacco could be dangerous

 

[K-Dog]

I think a lot of times when Ray is saying something he is hearing it for the first time too.

I love Ray as much as the next guy, but he is off base on this one. 

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

Bart Scott weighed in on Ray Lewis' comments. It pretty much touches base with everyone's sentiment, mine included.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/former-ravens-lb-scott-has-flaccos-back-rips-lewis-comments

[Wisdom]

3 minutes ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

Bart Scott weighed in on Ray Lewis' comments. It pretty much touches base with everyone's sentiment, mine included.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/former-ravens-lb-scott-has-flaccos-back-rips-lewis-comments

Really, 2008?  A lot has changed since 2008. People changed have changed since 2008 and so have Flacco.    It doesn't echo my sentiments.... not one bit.  I commend Ray for calling out Flacco something the Ravens would never do.  If anyone else on the team played as poorly as Flacco have played thus far, they will no doubt spend a little time in "Harbaugh dog house" but Flacco gets a free pass.   What is he (Flacco)  averaging 2 interceptions per year and a countless number of bonehead plays?  Wow!   He hasn't won a game convincingly this year.  You reaped what you sowed.  You sowed mediocrity expect to inherit criticism from the fans, former players and media alike.  Flacco earned it!

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Okay, it's official. Nobody (prediction makers, media outlets, etc.) has us winning this game outside of Ravens Nation. That said, why are we arguing among ourselves about what Ray had to say or anybody outside of Ravens Nation has to say? What have we become - "Real Housewives and Househusbands of the Bandwagon Apocalypse"?

The thing is...the more others doubt us - the better we play. I'm loving the doubters out there. It just makes us stronger. Our haters have always been motivators. So stay FOCUSED people! Just a thought.

[Wisdom]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

How do I know? Because I am blessed with the gift of literacy. You should try it sometime.

Still laughing!!!! Besides, where are your buddies?  You know how you guys do?  You respond, then a few minutes later your friend respond, then another, and another etc....  Reminds me of David Bowie, another one bit the dust".  Finally, someone ends the tread with the infamous statement of "ignore the troll", "don't feed them":  LOL!  I noticed this only happened of course, when the discussion is about Flacco.   All I can say, is Ray Lewis is right and I thank him for sharing his observations with us.

[Militant X 1]

50 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Okay, it's official. Nobody (prediction makers, media outlets, etc.) has us winning this game outside of Ravens Nation. That said, why are we arguing among ourselves about what Ray had to say or anybody outside of Ravens Nation has to say? What have we become - "Real Housewives and Househusbands of the Bandwagon Apocalypse"?

The thing is...the more others doubt us - the better we play. I'm loving the doubters out there. It just makes us stronger. Our haters have always been motivators. So stay FOCUSED people! Just a thought.

Not true!  I heard Tedi Bruschi say that we was picking the Ravens to win! 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, Wisdom said:

 Reminds me of David Bowie, another one bit the dust". 

........

 

1. It's Freddie mercury. David Bowie only collaborated with Queen on one song. The fact that you can't get this reference correct, when it's one of queen's most famous songs shows why we cannot take you seriously.

2. You remind me of David Bowie. I'm glad fans don't make changes

 

3. Ray Lewis is wrong. He's talking out of his butt on this. But anything to hurt flacco.

 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Wisdom said:

Still laughing!!!! Besides, where are your buddies?  You know how you guys do?  You respond, then a few minutes later your friend respond, then another, and another etc....  Reminds me of David Bowie, another one bit the dust".  Finally, someone ends the tread with the infamous statement of "ignore the troll", "don't feed them":  LOL!  I noticed this only happened of course, when the discussion is about Flacco.   All I can say, is Ray Lewis is right and I thank him for sharing his observations with us.

So in other words, as usual, you have nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation? Got it, thanks.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Wisdom said:

He hasn't won a game convincingly this year.  You reaped what you sowed.

Oh, it's not a team sport anymore, it's "He hasn't won a game convincingly this year."?

He's won enough to put us in sole possession of first place in the division. Now, I can't wait to watch you try to backpedal out of that one haha

[nextgen_RavensFan]

You know, when Lewis stated on TV that Joe plays with no passion he is seemingly just piling on with everyone else who always debates Joe's play and to make it worse it was after all "Ray Lewis" that said it and i am sure it dug that much more deeper and i congratulate Joe for not losing it and keeping his cool. I did not here him speak a word with the numerous times Lewis's antics have hurt the team. 

[K-Dog]

9 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Reminds me of David Bowie, another one bit the dust".  

Oh my gawd ! Really ?

How young are you?

[Rav'n Maniac]

I have no problem with Ray's opinion of Joe, although I don't totally share in it. I didn't like how he brought it across through the media. Doing it in the manner that Ray chose solves nothing as you don't accomplish anything by public embarrassment. If Ray feels this strongly about Joe's lack of passion, he should have shown his "former teammate" enough consideration to discuss it with him face to face or at least, pick up a phone. 

[Militant X 1]

“No one leads the same. Everyone can do their own thing, everyone has their own personality,” Weddle said.

“I just love [Flacco’s] demeanor. He doesn’t get too high, he doesn’t get too low. I think that’s a great quality. A lot of times, when you let your emotions take over, you can play bad because of it. I like his demeanor; I like his work ethic.”

Weddle said part of what makes football such a great team sport is that players with different personalities must be relied on to come together and do their job.

“We have a bunch of different personalities in this locker room, but that’s what makes us so great and so close,” Weddle said. “We respect each other, we love each other and we support each other. That’s the sign of a great team.”

^ That's it right there!  Thanks Weddle!

Ray Lewis is my main dude but I don't need to see another Ray Lewis on the field as such.  I loved "his" type of passion for the game.  One of the greatest gatherers of men to rally for a cause imo.  Whether you call it his being a hype man, cheerleader, waving the pom-poms or being a rah-rah type of cat with a squirrel dance; I absolutely loved it over the years!  I connected with it!  But with that being said; that style is due to a combination of one's personality and temperament.  That's not Joe and it never will be...deal with it!

GO RAVENS!!

[FlocksGottaFeed]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

“No one leads the same. Everyone can do their own thing, everyone has their own personality,” Weddle said.

“I just love [Flacco’s] demeanor. He doesn’t get too high, he doesn’t get too low. I think that’s a great quality. A lot of times, when you let your emotions take over, you can play bad because of it. I like his demeanor; I like his work ethic.”

Weddle said part of what makes football such a great team sport is that players with different personalities must be relied on to come together and do their job.

“We have a bunch of different personalities in this locker room, but that’s what makes us so great and so close,” Weddle said. “We respect each other, we love each other and we support each other. That’s the sign of a great team.”

^ That's it right there!  Thanks Weddle!

Ray Lewis is my main dude but I don't need to see another Ray Lewis on the field as such.  I loved "his" type of passion for the game.  One of the greatest gatherers of men to rally for a cause imo.  Whether you call it his being a hype man, cheerleader, waving the pom-poms or being a rah-rah type of cat with a squirrel dance; I absolutely loved it over the years!  I connected with it!  But with that being said; that style is due to a combination of one's personality and temperament.  That's not Joe and it never will be...deal with it!

GO RAVENS!!

^ That's it right there, again! Thanks Mili!

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

13 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Really, 2008?  A lot has changed since 2008. People changed have changed since 2008 and so have Flacco.    It doesn't echo my sentiments.... not one bit.  I commend Ray for calling out Flacco something the Ravens would never do.  If anyone else on the team played as poorly as Flacco have played thus far, they will no doubt spend a little time in "Harbaugh dog house" but Flacco gets a free pass.   What is he (Flacco)  averaging 2 interceptions per year and a countless number of bonehead plays?  Wow!   He hasn't won a game convincingly this year.  You reaped what you sowed.  You sowed mediocrity expect to inherit criticism from the fans, former players and media alike.  Flacco earned it!

Bart was calling out Ray. I mean Bart and Ray played together for seven seasons. Wouldn't they would know each other well? 

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Really, 2008?  A lot has changed since 2008. People changed have changed since 2008 and so have Flacco.    It doesn't echo my sentiments.... not one bit.  I commend Ray for calling out Flacco something the Ravens would never do.  If anyone else on the team played as poorly as Flacco have played thus far, they will no doubt spend a little time in "Harbaugh dog house" but Flacco gets a free pass.   What is he (Flacco)  averaging 2 interceptions per year and a countless number of bonehead plays?  Wow!   He hasn't won a game convincingly this year.  You reaped what you sowed.  You sowed mediocrity expect to inherit criticism from the fans, former players and media alike.  Flacco earned it!

Averaging 2 INTs per year? Wow, that's pretty good. Like all time great good.

O no... not criticism from fans and media? O no... whatever shall he do? All those big contracts he got mean nothing to him, because he's being criticized from fans and the media. 

O no...how can he go on living life like this? How devastating. I don't even know how he gets out of bed in the morning.

SMH. Wake up.

[VermontRaven]

13 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

Not true!  I heard Tedi Bruschi say that we was picking the Ravens to win! 

He's probably just saying that because he wants the cheater Patriots to have the best record in the NFL

[RayRayRaven]

flacco does need to learn how to play with fire. give him the benefit of the doubt on recovery from injury but he must step up.  the cowboy game is our season. if we are a team it is a must win and flacco must play well

[RayRayRaven]

4 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Oh my gawd ! Really ?

How young are you?

that was queen not bowie anyway, unless hes saying bowie died which is small

[VermontRaven]

15 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

flacco does need to learn how to play with fire. give him the benefit of the doubt on recovery from injury but he must step up.  the cowboy game is our season. if we are a team it is a must win and flacco must play well

I agree with you that People need to give Flacco a. Reak..he is coming back from major knee surgery.

However, I wouldn't say the Cowboys game is our season. Would it be nice to win and make a statement!? Yes.  Is it a must-win? No. We have 3 more division games that will be a bigger factor in our season than this one (especially the game on Christmas at Pittsburgh)

[Militant X 1]

3 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

^ That's it right there, again! Thanks Mili!

No problem Flocks! 

[ravens rule]

22 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

I love Flacco but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want my QB to be fiery like Brady or Rivers to at least get the offense amped up. God knows we've needed that this season 

I think that type of personality can bring the best out of others. There's no data behind it, but I just feel like it's human nature. As a ravens fan I can't help but love how Phillip Rivers plays the game.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

My issue with Joe's personality isn't that he doesn't get all hyped and rah rah.

I just don't like that this season when things haven't gone well, every time they show him on the sideline he's sitting by himself. 

The one time I noticed he wasn't was against the Browns when he was asking the guys if they saw his mannequin challenge... and joking/laughing with everyone. 

Usually though it's right to the end of the bench by himself or with just Juice or Pitta. 

I don't need him yelling at guys or firing everyone up. And can't say 100% that this isn't happening, but I'd like to see him with theOL, receivers or Marty talking about what just happened. What he saw, why something didn't work, asking the guys what they may have seen differently, etc...

Rays comments are way off. Obviously since he's left Joe has become a leader if he wasn't already. You don't need more than 1 hype guy and Ray was enough of that for everyone. 

I mean Ed was rah rah. Did he lack passion?? 

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

My issue with Joe's personality isn't that he doesn't get all hyped and rah rah.

I just don't like that this season when things haven't gone well, every time they show him on the sideline he's sitting by himself. 

The one time I noticed he wasn't was against the Browns when he was asking the guys if they saw his mannequin challenge... and joking/laughing with everyone. 

Usually though it's right to the end of the bench by himself or with just Juice or Pitta. 

I don't need him yelling at guys or firing everyone up. And can't say 100% that this isn't happening, but I'd like to see him with theOL, receivers or Marty talking about what just happened. What he saw, why something didn't work, asking the guys what they may have seen differently, etc...

Rays comments are way off. Obviously since he's left Joe has become a leader if he wasn't already. You don't need more than 1 hype guy and Ray was enough of that for everyone. 

I mean Ed was rah rah. Did he lack passion?? 

Ray said the same thing in the interview....

"Maybe his personality is just not that personality. He's not a ra-ra guy; he won't say much. But still, in the game of football, there has to be some burning fire behind you, there has to be something that speaks that is bigger than me. This is us, this is a core.  He's always isolating himself to go sit on the bench, never talking to anybody after a big play, bad play, whatever it is."

Perhaps, this is what Ray was trying to get at-Joe's behavior of staying on the bench by himself?  To someone like Ray who has a very outgoing personality to "include" people...maybe Joe's lack of emotion and his constantly sitting by himself sent a message of both "isolation" and "exclusion?"  Interesting. 

Edited November 19, 2016 by Militant X 1

[kjbmore]

Since Ray n Ed left we've been a pretty mediocre team, with not a lot to get excited about.

We all love Steve Smith and he frankly seems to be the heart of the offence, we lost the heart and emotion of our defence last year and we all know how that ended.

I still think Ray has a point, lot of good teams and players around but to get you to the top and over the hump - takes some emotion and juice and a bit of fire.

im worried what the offence looks like without Steve Smith, hopefully the defence holds up without Suggs too - it's at least pointing in the right direction