Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Ravens419]

And my final comment on this is Ray should just be thankful Joe carried that team to that super bowl say what you want but 11TD 0INT and played in Denver and in NE Joe is the reason we got that ring like it or not 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Do you really know he doesn't talk to the WRs, OC or anyone else? The camera is on him for literally seconds. Isn't it possible that it's happening and just not on camera?

There is a recent interview with Flacco where he was asked directly why he isn't yelling at players when they are screwing up. To paraphrase his response he said there was a time and place for that and it's not on the field in front of the world. He said he feels that calling them out in public would be counter productive and also feels at that point encouragement is the path to take. Go back out, correct it and do better moving forward. It ain't that the discussions aren't happening, they are just happening discretely as not to embarrass anyone. Pretty smart if you ask me.

There's a topic on here discussing who is the  "emotional leader" of the Ravens. Depends on how you look at it. It would seem that a team needs a steadying influence in pressure situations, an example of how to control your emotions and do your job. Flacco is that leader. It's not that he's not "passionate" about the game or wanting to win, that's just a ridiculous notion. He's using his emotional intelligence to stay focused and remain in control of the situation and that would seem a good example for others as well. 

i never said call anyone out. never said do it on the field.

And yes it only for seconds... but when every team he's shown on the side line its been alone, at the end of the bench... maybe Juice is around, ive got to imagine they're not just catching him coincidentally like that every time, and in between hes got the guys huddled up talking.

For the first time this season, during the Browns game, I saw him surrounded by players and talking. Joking. Laughing. I saw him come off the field and go right to Marty.

Every other time its been directly to the end of the bench, sitting alone.

Im not saying be Rah rah. or loud. Or yell at guys. I'm saying, be a part of the group. Collaborate. Talk quietly about how to improve. Go tell Marty what youre seeing on a certain play, or why something maybe didnt work.

 

Sure - maybe this is all happening and the cameras just miss it every other game.... and just so happened to catch him happy and laughing, surrounded by other players in the 1 game we played really well.

And his reasoning, that he thinks doing certain things makes it all about him, to me theres some truth to it... but it also doesnt consider the fact that maybe some guys like/need that. Again, not saying he needs to bark, and yell and rah rah everyone. But, motivate guys. Lead. Talk and study between drives. Show an interest in the defense. I mean the defense tends to stand on the sideline and watch/cheer on the offense. 

The only thing i dont like is that he isolates himself. Sitting alone seems uninterested; and could come off as being disengaged from the team, thinking everyone else is the issue.. etc.. 

I know fans make bigger deals of this stuff than maybe some players. But i can guarantee you if Ray thinks this, than some other players do too. Ed Reed expressed similar sentiments. I guarantee there are some current defensive players that feel similarly. Just hope no one on the offense does.

[Edgar]

Does anyone recall hearing about Joe staying late to work with receivers?

Anything about watching/studying film outside Owings Mills with guys on offense?

Not sure how many guys do this but Ray and Ed lived and breathed it.

[VermontRaven]

Thank you Zrebiec!  I'm glad a Ravens reporter finally had the guts to say this:

 

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Reading through these recent comments, I get the feeling that many of you have never seen any of Joe's Mic'd Up or Wired shows.  The truth is that Joe does not lack passion and displays it at the appropriate times. I have also repeatedly read comments from his teammates that Joe is incredibly competitive and HATES losing at anything. I have read comments from his receivers saying that Joe lets them know when they screwed up and they dread getting "the look".  When you see him sitting alone on the bench, consider that perhaps the other players are staying the hell away from him. 

Ray is entitled to his opinion, but I think he's wrong and just grandstanding. A guy who lacks passion would not have fought so hard to rehab and return early from a devastating knee injury.

I think it is like our teachers in elementary school .  We all thought they lived there at school and when we saw them out and about it was Bizzaro World.

People judge Joes character on Sundays between 1:00 and 4:30 on the TV plus a coupla minutes of interview here and there and use that small fraction of information to create a character of a person.

It is kinda sad really . 

[Purple_City39]

13 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Thank you Zrebiec!  I'm glad a Ravens reporter finally had the guts to say this:

 

This.

Ray Lewis criticism of anyone has gotten very old.  He manages to mention himself every single time in some way and clearly just likes to hear himself speak

[The Raven]

10 hours ago, Bandwagon said:

You obviously never felt what its like to be affiliated with football

No, I just didnt feel the need to scream and give psuedo-inspirational speeches. I couldn't possibly care less about that garbage. Maybe I just have enough inner drive to where I didn't need to get motivation from some amped up ball of testosterone screaming at me.

[The Raven]

Oh, and Ray is a terrible analyst.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

2 hours ago, Ravens419 said:

And my final comment on this is Ray should just be thankful Joe carried that team to that super bowl say what you want but 11TD 0INT and played in Denver and in NE Joe is the reason we got that ring like it or not 

I think you are forgetting a HUGE piece of that "Joe" did it all puzzle friend. Bolden, if you go back and watch the game you will see quite a few over throws and very inaccurate tosses that Bolden had to fight for, make great grabs and outplay the defense. If we had not had Bolden Joe's run would not have been.

[1/28/01]

On 11/11/2016 at 4:29 PM, frozen joe flacco fan said:

I think we need to give Joe his props. In the 2nd half, this was the Joe Flacco of old. He threw a good mix of timing passes and crossing patterns and even threw some bullets into double coverage. He also completed 30 passes to a lot of different receivers. He is still protected by a makeshift O-line and we'll have to wait and see what the loss of Alex Lewis will mean. Yeah, this is the same Joe Bazooka, Jersey Joe, Mighty Joe, Joe Cool & January Joe we've come to know despite the doomsday Flacco antagonists on this blog. I submit there are many NFL teams, including Hue Jackson's, who would love to have Joe. Once he overcomes the psychological side of his major injury, he'll be better than ever. Remember how long its taken Jimmy Smith to get back from his lis franc foot injury? Joe is one of the toughest competitors in the league and that's a fact. I just read about the 50 most unreliable QBs in the NFL and some of the greatest QBs ever are listed as the 50 most unreliable. Many of them had an interception percentage around 5%. Give Joe a break. Like I've said, he's elite, period. If we do not make it to the playoffs, you can question the head coach and the O-line but not Joe. IMO, Joe has cost us one game this year; John Harbaugh has cost us three games.

Elite?  Ugh, that word...

[1/28/01]

On 11/12/2016 at 0:15 AM, flynismo said:

Am I missing something? Why are you getting negged for saying this?

Because Joe is being put on a pedestal and called elite is my guess...

[GrimCoconut]

I could've sworn I remembered Ray Lewis praising Joe as a leader. Maybe my memory is off since I'm sick. I just remember that from years ago when he was here. 

[I AM LEGEND]

99% of the time..I'm not for any unnecessary friction towards the team especially from people who aren't playing anymore...

 

But considering this is directed at Joe...I'm all for it..if this can "ruffle up his feathers" or make him squirm and get him feeling differently.. I'm all for it...

 

Its not like Joe is gonna see these comments and play worse than he already is..maybe this sets a fire under him.

[Sherly_Tebow]

May have already been mentioned, but does anyone remember hearing that at halftime of week 17, 2014, Joe really hyped up the team and used the "f" word while giving a pep talk? It was when we had to beat the Browns in order to make the playoffs (along with a chargers loss). We came out, and won 20-10. I think it was Torrey Smith who said it was the most determined and serious he's ever seen Joe.

[Deflated Football]

Damn, so now that Ray said one negative thing about Flacco (even though he's been his fan for years), fans are turning their backs on the greatest Raven of all time? It IS okay to criticize. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

Joe is not that kind of guy. He's not an in your face guy like Lewis. The dude is sometimes awkward, quiet, and reserved. People are different. Even when Lewis says he goes and sits by himself...come on man, that's just his way of doing things. 

 

Ive been over the Ray Lewis thing for awhile now. Especially with the super bowl run when he touched Jacoby. But that's not me bashing him. He is who he is and Flacco is completely different, and that's what makes Joe unique. Always cool.

[RavensPunkXVX]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Damn, so now that Ray said one negative thing about Flacco (even though he's been his fan for years), fans are turning their backs on the greatest Raven of all time? It IS okay to criticize. 

because he's attacking a guys passion. How is passion measured? By how much you spit on someone during pregame warmups? If it was gameplay, sure that's warranted, but you can't say he lacks passion. He's a different kind of player and handles things differently.

[Ravens419]

1 hour ago, nextgen_RavensFan said:

I think you are forgetting a HUGE piece of that "Joe" did it all puzzle friend. Bolden, if you go back and watch the game you will see quite a few over throws and very inaccurate tosses that Bolden had to fight for, make great grabs and outplay the defense. If we had not had Bolden Joe's run would not have been.

I agree Bolden was huge in that but in order for a QB to thrive he needs his receivers to help him I mean Ben has AB going up and pulling crazy balls down Matt Ryan has Julio Jones making plays out of nothing Joe has had some deep threats in Mike and Torrey and had some tough receivers like Q and Steve but he's never had that flashy AB, Julio Jones, Megatron, OBJ style receivers the only QB that works with that as little as Joe and is phenomenal is our friend in the east Tom Brady and Peyton when he was playing so you can't say cause a receiver makes some plays you discredit the QB you need both ends to make it work 

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Ravens419 said:

I agree Bolden was huge in that but in order for a QB to thrive he needs his receivers to help him I mean Ben has AB going up and pulling crazy balls down Matt Ryan has Julio Jones making plays out of nothing Joe has had some deep threats in Mike and Torrey and had some tough receivers like Q and Steve but he's never had that flashy AB, Julio Jones, Megatron, OBJ style receivers the only QB that works with that as little as Joe and is phenomenal is our friend in the east Tom Brady and Peyton when he was playing so you can't say cause a receiver makes some plays you discredit the QB you need both ends to make it work 

Brady exploded when he got Moss and Welker and has had Gronk since 2010, so...

Also, Peyton had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, then swapped over to Decker, Thomas, and Thomas. I mean...

Edited November 18, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[BirdWatcher]

	Jamison Hensley (@jamisonhensley)
11/18/16, 1:29 PM Ravens safety Eric Weddle defends QB Joe Flacco, who was criticized by Ray Lewis. "He... es.pn/2g36nPr pic.twitter.com/TNmP1kMCx5

 

	Jamison Hensley (@jamisonhensley)
11/18/16, 1:38 PM Ravens WR Steve Smith was respectful of Ray Lewis but defended QB Joe Flacco. "You don't play this game that... es.pn/2g31q9w

 

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
11/18/16, 1:39 PM As Joe Flacco spoke, several Ravens, including Weddle and Jimmy Smith, yelled their support for the QB in the background.

 

	Jeff Zrebiec (@jeffzrebiecsun)
11/18/16, 1:25 PM Flacco didn't take any shots at Ray Lewis. Took high road. Said he still wants Ray Lewis as part of organization.

 

[RavensPunkXVX]

Maybe this lights a fire under Flaccos butt. I'm kinda glad Ray said that. Hopefully the guys ball out for Joe.

[I AM LEGEND]

3 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Maybe this lights a fire under Flaccos butt. I'm kinda glad Ray said that. Hopefully the guys ball out for Joe.

Exactly what I said

[MiamiRaven55]

5 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

Flacco may lack in QBR but, I seriously doubt he lacks passion. The dude is a baby making machine and you don't get there without some passion. His baby making rating (BMR) is right up there with the greatest of all time. Only Philip Rivers holds a higher BMR. 

What about Antonio Cromartie from Hark Knocks NY Jets? LMAO

[Tank 92]

53 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I could've sworn I remembered Ray Lewis praising Joe as a leader. Maybe my memory is off since I'm sick. I just remember that from years ago when he was here. 

No, your right he did say he was a great leader. He called him The General.  lol   Guess when you have air time to fill you, well, you have air time to fill. 

[Ravens419]

22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Brady exploded when he got Moss and Welker and has had Gronk since 2010, so...

Also, Peyton had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, then swapped over to Decker, Thomas, and Thomas. I mean...

I agree but Brady can make something out of nothing and you can't deny that... and Peyton has had Them but yet another QB I think in his prime can make something out of nothing imo that is arguable but what my argument was that you can't take anything away from joe just because bolden made some plays 

[Edgar]

27 minutes ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Maybe this lights a fire under Flaccos butt. I'm kinda glad Ray said that. Hopefully the guys ball out for Joe.

Seems odd that a professional quarterback would need a fire to be lit but I have a feeling he might.

 

1 hour ago, I AM LEGEND said:

99% of the time..I'm not for any unnecessary friction towards the team especially from people who aren't playing anymore...

 

But considering this is directed at Joe...I'm all for it..if this can "ruffle up his feathers" or make him squirm and get him feeling differently.. I'm all for it...

 

Its not like Joe is gonna see these comments and play worse than he already is..maybe this sets a fire under him.

Joe played what I consider to be his best regular season game I can recall watching last year vs. San Diego. Accurate, dialed in...really on fire from start to finish.

I found out later that Ray was in the locker room pre-game and gave one of his raps intended to buoy .

[PurpleCity5]

I hope this lights a fire under Joe honestly. 

[VermontRaven]

BOLD PREDICTION:  Flacco lights it up for 3TD, 0 INT, and 300 yards.  Ravens win 27-24.  Ray Lewis claims it was his leadership and passion that fired up Joe.

[balfan23]

10 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

BOLD PREDICTION:  Flacco lights it up for 3TD, 0 INT, and 300 yards.  Ravens win 27-24.  Ray Lewis claims it was his leadership and passion that fired up Joe.

That is bold ... at least the first 2 points. If those two things turn out to be true, the 3rd item might not be that bold of a prediction 

[usmccharles]

10 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

That dud $120 million QB 

Seriously, I'll never get your beef with Flacco. 

Don't bother man,  ravenseconbeast doesn't comprehend simple market value,  it was quite funny watching everyone explain it.  Haters gonna hate.