Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

6 hours ago, The Raven said:

Joe lacks passion..? Because he's not a loudmouth? Huh. Well, okay. If screaming "get off the field" and ranting about all the dogs in the house is what it takes to have passion, then dammit, I don't even know what to expect.

I can count on one hand how many times Ray's nonsensical rantings motivated me to do anything other than take a trip to the restroom.

I'd argue Ray's leadership abilities aren't really the Rah Rah stuff he's famous for. His incredibly high football IQ and willingness to put hours into watching film went farther in my eyes than that did. He was esentially a coach on the field for a good portion of his career, which combined with his impressive athleticism made him the dominant force he was. Did he talk smack to other players? Sure. But he played with a boatload of passion(which btw. Flacco has flashed. He accidentally dropped an F-Bomb after winning the SB. And most here act like he doesn't even care when he has shown to be happy when he makes a good play, has held himself accountable, and heightens his play to lead the charge for the rest of the team. I hate to say it, Flacco isn't a bad leader. He's not great) and it showed on the field. His play was the bigger motivator than his speeches(granted he can give a hell of a performance). 

 

I mean Patrick Willis was a great leader for most of his career and he never took it as far as Ray. You don't need to be a rah-rah leader. Flacco has a calm and quiet demeanor. It's just who he is. Get over it.

[Cillmatic]

Ray was in the locker room with Joe for 4 years. I'd guess that he knows a little about how Joe handles the game.

[Tru11]

I see nothing wrong with him questioning flacco passion.

many have done the same for years and still do.

leaders have to be vocal or lead by example.

ray did both, flacco neither so far this season.

Seems pretty justified to me unless you think flacco has been performing like he should.

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

I see nothing wrong with him questioning flacco passion.

many have done the same for years and still do.

leaders have to be vocal or lead by example.

ray did both, flacco neither so far this season.

Seems pretty justified to me unless you think flacco has been performing like he should.

Vocal doesn't mean you have to be Philip Rivers or Tom Brady out there and explode on people. 

A small conversation and encouragement can go a long way and as far as what Tank posted from a previous interview, it sounds like Joe is one to just quietly talk and give encouragement.

That counts as leadership to me; just in a different form.

[Tru11]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Vocal doesn't mean you have to be Philip Rivers or Tom Brady out there and explode on people. 

A small conversation and encouragement can go a long way and as far as what Tank posted from a previous interview, it sounds like Joe is one to just quietly talk and give encouragement.

That counts as leadership to me; just in a different form.

Where did i say that is what vocal is about?

are you suggesting that ray was getting in players faces and cursing at them and such?

im talking about ray lewis and how he did things.

What the heck? does rivers and brady have to do with what i said?

You saying that ray was just like them?

how do you link me talking and defending how ray did things to other players?

 

 

[Davesta]

Flacco just doesn't have leadership qualities. He throws a pick and shows no emotions what so ever. When the press ask about throwing off his back foot and o line troubles, he pretty much just agrees with the statement instead of owning up to the mistakes. I think that's why we always have to bring in a veteran WR to help lead the offense since we know Joe won't pump anyone up. Derrick mason, anquan boldin, Steve smith. Flacco personality won't raise the level of play of people around him. 

[codizzle]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

 

leaders have to be vocal or lead by example.

Leaders do not have to be vocal simple as that 

 

[BmoreBird22]

44 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Where did i say that is what vocal is about?

are you suggesting that ray was getting in players faces and cursing at them and such?

im talking about ray lewis and how he did things.

What the heck? does rivers and brady have to do with what i said?

You saying that ray was just like them?

how do you link me talking and defending how ray did things to other players?

Ray did both, Flacco is neither this season.

Connect the dots.

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, Davesta said:

Flacco just doesn't have leadership qualities. He throws a pick and shows no emotions what so ever.

I'd rather him show no emotion and move on than blow up and let it linger.

[Tru11]

32 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Ray did both, Flacco is neither this season.

Connect the dots.

So ray has a point or not?

[VermontRaven]

9 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

when I see Joe throw a terrible pick, or the offense goes 3 and out for the 4th time in a row and he's just thrown a couple terribly inaccurate passes - and he just casually walks/jogs off the field and then goes to sit at the end of the bench.... alone.... with that dumb, blank look on his face... I literally want to punch him in the mouth. 

I know this can be frustrating sometimes as a fan, but I also think it has its advantages.  I don't know how many times I see other quarterbacks make a mistake, hang their heads, and are obviously timid after that.

This show Joe is cool all the time and doesn't get timid after a mistake.  People praise Joe when he comes through with this demeanor as "cool Joe" under pressure, but criticizing when he struggles because of it.

Bottom line is this is who Joe is.  He doesn't get too high or too low--which has advantages and disadvantages.  I say, as Ravens fans, we need to quit critcizing Joe's demeanor.  If you want to criticize his play, by all means, go for it--his decisions can be infuriating at times.  I love that he has an aggressive mindset and has a short memory.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, codizzle said:

Leaders do not have to be vocal simple as that 

 

 

if you cant lead by example then being vocal is pretty much the only option you have left.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Moderator 3
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[BirdWatcher]

Reading through these recent comments, I get the feeling that many of you have never seen any of Joe's Mic'd Up or Wired shows.  The truth is that Joe does not lack passion and displays it at the appropriate times. I have also repeatedly read comments from his teammates that Joe is incredibly competitive and HATES losing at anything. I have read comments from his receivers saying that Joe lets them know when they screwed up and they dread getting "the look".  When you see him sitting alone on the bench, consider that perhaps the other players are staying the hell away from him. 

Ray is entitled to his opinion, but I think he's wrong and just grandstanding. A guy who lacks passion would not have fought so hard to rehab and return early from a devastating knee injury.

[Edgar]

Ray isn't simply questioning his leadership. He is calling into question Joe's desire.....even how he is viewed by teammates, (at least from Rays perspective).

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

28 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

So ray has a point or not?

No, I don't think he does.

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, I don't think he does.

so ray lead by example and lead by being vocal and flacco has done neither this season.

Yet ray is wrong?

flacco has preformed as he should?

[Davesta]

If Joe had more passion and love for the game and the desire to be great, he would do the extra credits. Work on his mistakes like throwing on his back foot. Extra time to learn the play book in and out. Film study on opposing defenses to be able to make checks and audibles presnap. Rarely do you see Flacco make presnap adjustments, always relying on his OC to call the plays. I mean he's Been in the league since '08. 

You see a rookie QB in wentz making audibles at the line then you hear stories about him studying defenses while going on dinner dates. That's having the passion to be great. Things like that translate. 

Playing in his 8th season, I don't think we can expect to see any drastic change in his level of play. To me, what Flacco is, is what we'll always get. A inconsistent tier 2-3 QB who's prone to make 1-2 boneheaded plays a game. We just need to build a great team around him. 

Only great thing about him is his clutch genes in the playoffs.. But boy is it a Tough roller coaster ride of a regular season just to get there. 

[BmoreBird22]

19 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so ray lead by example and lead by being vocal and flacco has done neither this season.

Yet ray is wrong?

flacco has preformed as he should?

No one said Flacco performed as he should. This entire thread acknowledges he hasn't.

But Ray is wrong about questioning his passion and desire for the game.

If you want to make this about leadership, he is also wrong there.

The issue here is you're essentially trying to equate passion for the game to leadership with Joe. I'm sure Zach Orr is very passionate about football, and so is Terrence West, but are either considered leaders? It's not a hand in hand relationship.

Edited November 18, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Rav'n Maniac]

Flacco may lack in QBR but, I seriously doubt he lacks passion. The dude is a baby making machine and you don't get there without some passion. His baby making rating (BMR) is right up there with the greatest of all time. Only Philip Rivers holds a higher BMR. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Rav'n Maniac said:

Only Philip Rivers holds a higher BMR. 

Basal metabolic rate?

[Ravens419]

I agree I love Ray but every time he talks about the Ravens it's like he circles it back to himself it drives me nuts if there was an issue I'm sure Tsizzle would come out and say it or speak to joe himself I wouldn't worry about this 

[Rav'n Maniac]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Basal metabolic rate?

LOL, You science guys think a little differently, slightly off-kilter?

[Ravens419]

Joe does lack that ra ra go out and kill your opponent personality but that doesn't mean he isn't a leader I guarantee Joe speaks and anyone on that team listens I've played football with guys who were great leaders but didn't have that voice it just wasn't them they were the ones that kept you calm when it was the 4th quarter and we needed a comeback TD being loud is one thing but you can be passionate and a leader in way more ways then being loud Ray is right Sizz and Steve smith are your leaders in the smash mouth ra ra kind of way but Joe has that calmness that can really help on a football field when things are going wrong 

[Ravens419]

And if you go watch the video Ray doesn't say anything about his study ethic and actually says he's a gifted player he just says he isn't a RA RA guy then circles it back to himself as always saying I was that guy yes we know Ray LOL still love him though 

[Ravens419]

And I can guarantee this if there was an issue Sizzel and Steve wouldn't shy from saying something I don't care if you think it may hurt team chemistry whatever those guys don't care if there is an issue they would say it we all see from the outside not the inside none of us know what or when he studies why he does certain things 

[VermontRaven]

26 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No one said Flacco performed as he should. This entire thread acknowledges he hasn't.

But Ray is wrong about questioning his passion and desire for the game.

If you want to make this about leadership, he is also wrong there.

The issue here is you're essentially trying to equate passion for the game to leadership with Joe. I'm sure Zach Orr is very passionate about football, and so is Terrence West, but are either considered leaders? It's not a hand in hand relationship.

Excellent post!  I agree completely.  We all know Flacco has not performed as well as he should this year, but don't question his leadership. That is the one major criticism I have of Ray Lewis.  He seems to think that his leadership style is the only good leadership style.  This is why I couldn't stand Ray as an analyst on ESPN.  I love Ray Lewis as a player and as a community activist, but not as an analyst.

[Ravens419]

And my final point Ray isn't playing on this team or any of the last three teams we've had he doesn't know what role Joe is playing while he isn't there obviously when Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are apart of your team you aren't the vocal leader you take that back seat so him questioning anything is asinine to me 

[Militant X 1]

On 11/15/2016 at 0:02 AM, flynismo said:

And that is Mili's line. +35

Lol! 

12 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

Blasphemer. Thou shalt not use thy 52's name in vain!

Lol!

Regardless of how people feel about Ray as an analyst...the man practiced and played with Joe Flacco for a few years so he knows what he has seen or not seen in Joe and can speak to that.

 

[Ravens419]

5 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Lol! 

Lol!

Regardless of how people feel about Ray as an analyst...the man practiced and played with Joe Flacco for a few years so he knows what he has seen or not seen in Joe and can speak to that.

 

I agree but those were different teams what is he supposed to do say sit Ray let me lead or sit Ed I got this 

[Ravens419]

And my final comment on this is Ray should just be thankful Joe carried that team to that super bowl say what you want but 11TD 0INT and played in Denver and in NE Joe is the reason we got that ring like it or not