Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Deflated Football]

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I honestly would be open to seeing what it would take to trade up to get him.  Most of the times rbs are a dime a dozen,  but guys like elliot and Fournette seem worth it to me.   I like Dallas' pick at 4, they got a guy who is easily a lock for 1200 total yards a season.   

I agree. I want to surround Joe with as many weapons as possible and it's so important that he has a running game. Dude is the next Adrian Peterson in my opinion 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I agree. I want to surround Joe with as many weapons as possible and it's so important that he has a running game. Dude is the next Adrian Peterson in my opinion 

I think with a player like that our entire offense would drastically improve.  But the FO will Never give up what it would take 

[Deflated Football]

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I think with a player like that our entire offense would drastically improve.  But the FO will Never give up what it would take 

I agree with you 

[Tornado700]

On 10/25/2016 at 7:41 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

I could see it being the latter if this wasn't an issue when he had a fully healthy line in weeks one through three, but it was. I think he's just scared from that ACL tear.

Heeee heee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I honestly would be open to seeing what it would take to trade up to get him.  Most of the times rbs are a dime a dozen,  but guys like elliot and Fournette seem worth it to me.   I like Dallas' pick at 4, they got a guy who is easily a lock for 1200 total yards a season.   

I don't think fournette would be a vast improvement though. West is playing very well making defenders miss but he gets overwhelmed due to streaky OL play and Dixon is heating up and could be a real workhorse back. 

fournette isn't gonna magically open up holes. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I don't think fournette would be a vast improvement though. West is playing very well making defenders miss but he gets overwhelmed due to streaky OL play and Dixon is heating up and could be a real workhorse back. 

fournette isn't gonna magically open up holes. 

Going off topic. My bad 

 

[Virginia 55]

Come on guys at least keep the thread realistic about Flacco.

Flacco has 5 tds against Cleveland and 4 Tds against every other team he has played.

SMH..... way to early for praise! 

 

If he wants to play better, he has to improve his mechanics in the pocket.

The defense is carrying this team right now.  

[nextgen_RavensFan]

22 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Come on guys at least keep the thread realistic about Flacco.

Flacco has 5 tds against Cleveland and 4 Tds against every other team he has played.

SMH..... way to early for praise! 

 

If he wants to play better, he has to improve his mechanics in the pocket.

The defense is carrying this team right now.  

I am trying to think of just how many teams are dominant on both sides of the ball. It usually is one or the other. I am happy if we have a dominant defense and a average offense. I know it will take a while for Joe to get back to being Joe and being beat to hell every snap does not speed up the process. lol

 

[usmccharles]

31 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Come on guys at least keep the thread realistic about Flacco.

Flacco has 5 tds against Cleveland and 4 Tds against every other team he has played.

SMH..... way to early for praise! 

 

If he wants to play better, he has to improve his mechanics in the pocket.

The defense is carrying this team right now.  

Has anyone,  at all,  anywhere,  claimed otherwise? 

[codizzle]

Ray Lewis done lost his mind 

 

flacco isn't passionate cause he's not borderline psychotic like Steve or you were? 

 

Get out of here with that tv talk nonsense 

[52liveforever]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Has anyone,  at all,  anywhere,  claimed otherwise? 

Haha I don't think he was saying it objectively. I think it was just a statement. No need to get all sassy.

[52liveforever]

2 hours ago, codizzle said:

Ray Lewis done lost his mind 

 

flacco isn't passionate cause he's not borderline psychotic like Steve or you were? 

 

Get out of here with that tv talk nonsense 

Blasphemer. Thou shalt not use thy 52's name in vain!

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

Haha I don't think he was saying it objectively. I think it was just a statement. No need to get all sassy.

I'm wearing my sassy pants, Literally.  

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, codizzle said:

Ray Lewis done lost his mind 

 

flacco isn't passionate cause he's not borderline psychotic like Steve or you were? 

 

Get out of here with that tv talk nonsense 

Unless Ray is trying to light a fire under him for this week's game, I don't get it either. 

[52liveforever]

31 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I'm wearing my sassy pants, Literally.  

Mine are in the wash

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

51 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

Unless Ray is trying to light a fire under him for this week's game, I don't get it either. 

Let me preface this by saying I'm a huge Flacco supporter and do believe he can be the guy to lead this team back to the promised land. I think OC changes, overall lack of weapons (or consistent weapons to grow with), and shoddy OL play have really hindered his overall development and hold him back from his potential at times. 

BUT... and I realize this means more to me as a fan than it probably does to the team and likely doesn't have much of an impact... BUT 

when I see Joe throw a terrible pick, or the offense goes 3 and out for the 4th time in a row and he's just thrown a couple terribly inaccurate passes - and he just casually walks/jogs off the field and then goes to sit at the end of the bench.... alone.... with that dumb, blank look on his face... I literally want to punch him in the mouth. 

I mean my gosh, show me that sucking ticks you off as much as it does me. Let your OL know totally missing a block IS NOT ok with you. Show your receivers that it bothers you when you miss them wide open. Let them know you're going to get the next one. 

TALK TO YOUR OC ABOUT WHATS GOING ON and what you're seeing or could work better. Talk to your receivers about why you expected them to break the route off instead of continuing deep. Talk to your OL about something you're seeing from their pass rush pre snap. 

Idk anything. Just anything that makes it look like you're engaged, you're a unit, that you're not satisfied, that sucking bothers you, that it isn't acceptable, and that you're the guy who can fix it. 

Unless you don't see anything that can, or it doesn't bother you at all, or you're not engaged. Maybe some of that is true and maybe it's why he can be so cool and calm in the playoffs and the big moments when hope seems lost. 

But when it's first quarter against the Jets week 7... I don't want to see you alone at the end of the bench, blank stare with your head down after throwing a pick and going 3 and out. 

Maybe some of these guys need it. Not Sr, Wallace or Yanda... but maybe the young guys do. Joe's mainly had established vets around him on offense and they probably didn't need that. But it's changed now. He's the leader. He's the vet. And it's a young group around him. If he doesn't want everyone else sulking, disengaged after periods of crappy performance then he's got to be the one to change it in my mind. 

Idk but it might not be a coincidence that him having a little success and celebrating his TD with the mannequin challenge and then joking with the guys on the sideline suddenly snowballed to everyone balling out. 

[The Raven]

Joe lacks passion..? Because he's not a loudmouth? Huh. Well, okay. If screaming "get off the field" and ranting about all the dogs in the house is what it takes to have passion, then dammit, I don't even know what to expect.

I can count on one hand how many times Ray's nonsensical rantings motivated me to do anything other than take a trip to the restroom.

[Ravenseconbeast]

6 hours ago, codizzle said:

Ray Lewis done lost his mind 

 

flacco isn't passionate cause he's not borderline psychotic like Steve or you were? 

 

Get out of here with that tv talk nonsense 

 

Steve and Ray is borderline psychotic?  just rofl.   I wish fans like yourself can really move your dud 120m QB with you straight to Browns.   You can enjoy worshipping his amazing passion there.

[codizzle]

10 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Steve and Ray is borderline psychotic?  just rofl.   I wish fans like yourself can really move your dud 120m QB with you straight to Browns.   You can enjoy worshipping his amazing passion there.

Lol okay bud. Steve and ray have an extensive history of saying pretty questionable things that made little to no sense

That was my point. It wasn't a post defending flacco but my opinion that ray was flat out wrong for questioning his passion simply because he's not a "ra-ra guy". 

[Bandwagon]

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

Joe lacks passion..? Because he's not a loudmouth? Huh. Well, okay. If screaming "get off the field" and ranting about all the dogs in the house is what it takes to have passion, then dammit, I don't even know what to expect.

I can count on one hand how many times Ray's nonsensical rantings motivated me to do anything other than take a trip to the restroom.

You obviously never felt what its like to be affiliated with football

[Tru11]

14 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Lol okay bud. Steve and ray have an extensive history of saying pretty questionable things that made little to no sense

That was my point. It wasn't a post defending flacco but my opinion that ray was flat out wrong for questioning his passion simply because he's not a "ra-ra guy". 

ray and steve where more then just talk/ ra-ra guys.

[kassaiscool]

I am glad Ray said what he felt. People assume when Ray commented on Joe that he means Joe has jump up and down and acts like he wants to win so bad. You can see it all the time in hurry up situations where are our offenses looks lost and has No urgency what so ever a lot of the times. I wouldn't doubt that's how a lot of Raven players feel because Ray always has had the pulse of the locker room and with coaches as well. I believe what hes saying out in the public, Ravens players are agreeing on the inside, but won't say it like Ray would because it would harm the chemistry of the team and maybe there position on the team.

Edited November 18, 2016 by kassaiscool

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Bandwagon said:

You obviously never felt what its like to be affiliated with football

He just played college football. NBD...

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, codizzle said:

Ray Lewis done lost his mind 

 

flacco isn't passionate cause he's not borderline psychotic like Steve or you were? 

 

Get out of here with that tv talk nonsense 

He's a horrible analyst that always tries to circle it back to him when he talks about the Ravens. 

[Tank 92]

4 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Let me preface this by saying I'm a huge Flacco supporter and do believe he can be the guy to lead this team back to the promised land. I think OC changes, overall lack of weapons (or consistent weapons to grow with), and shoddy OL play have really hindered his overall development and hold him back from his potential at times. 

BUT... and I realize this means more to me as a fan than it probably does to the team and likely doesn't have much of an impact... BUT 

when I see Joe throw a terrible pick, or the offense goes 3 and out for the 4th time in a row and he's just thrown a couple terribly inaccurate passes - and he just casually walks/jogs off the field and then goes to sit at the end of the bench.... alone.... with that dumb, blank look on his face... I literally want to punch him in the mouth. 

I mean my gosh, show me that sucking ticks you off as much as it does me. Let your OL know totally missing a block IS NOT ok with you. Show your receivers that it bothers you when you miss them wide open. Let them know you're going to get the next one. 

TALK TO YOUR OC ABOUT WHATS GOING ON and what you're seeing or could work better. Talk to your receivers about why you expected them to break the route off instead of continuing deep. Talk to your OL about something you're seeing from their pass rush pre snap. 

Idk anything. Just anything that makes it look like you're engaged, you're a unit, that you're not satisfied, that sucking bothers you, that it isn't acceptable, and that you're the guy who can fix it. 

Unless you don't see anything that can, or it doesn't bother you at all, or you're not engaged. Maybe some of that is true and maybe it's why he can be so cool and calm in the playoffs and the big moments when hope seems lost. 

But when it's first quarter against the Jets week 7... I don't want to see you alone at the end of the bench, blank stare with your head down after throwing a pick and going 3 and out. 

Maybe some of these guys need it. Not Sr, Wallace or Yanda... but maybe the young guys do. Joe's mainly had established vets around him on offense and they probably didn't need that. But it's changed now. He's the leader. He's the vet. And it's a young group around him. If he doesn't want everyone else sulking, disengaged after periods of crappy performance then he's got to be the one to change it in my mind. 

Idk but it might not be a coincidence that him having a little success and celebrating his TD with the mannequin challenge and then joking with the guys on the sideline suddenly snowballed to everyone balling out. 

Do you really know he doesn't talk to the WRs, OC or anyone else? The camera is on him for literally seconds. Isn't it possible that it's happening and just not on camera?

There is a recent interview with Flacco where he was asked directly why he isn't yelling at players when they are screwing up. To paraphrase his response he said there was a time and place for that and it's not on the field in front of the world. He said he feels that calling them out in public would be counter productive and also feels at that point encouragement is the path to take. Go back out, correct it and do better moving forward. It ain't that the discussions aren't happening, they are just happening discretely as not to embarrass anyone. Pretty smart if you ask me.

There's a topic on here discussing who is the  "emotional leader" of the Ravens. Depends on how you look at it. It would seem that a team needs a steadying influence in pressure situations, an example of how to control your emotions and do your job. Flacco is that leader. It's not that he's not "passionate" about the game or wanting to win, that's just a ridiculous notion. He's using his emotional intelligence to stay focused and remain in control of the situation and that would seem a good example for others as well. 

Edited November 18, 2016 by Tank 92

[Tank 92]

23 minutes ago, kassaiscool said:

I am glad Ray said what he felt. People assume when Ray commented on Joe that he means Joe has jump up and down and acts like he wants to win so bad. You can see it all the time in hurry up situations where are our offenses looks lost and has No urgency what so ever a lot of the times. I wouldn't doubt that's how a lot of Raven players feel because Ray always has had the pulse of the locker room and with coaches as well. I believe what hes saying out in the public, Ravens players are agreeing on the inside, but won't say it like Ray would because it would harm the chemistry of the team and maybe there position on the team.

Not to be a "blasphemer", lol, but the post below pretty much sums it up. Ray Ray, for all of his greatness and passion for the game, also has a huge ego and needs to make everything about him and the way he went about his business. 

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's a horrible analyst that always tries to circle it back to him when he talks about the Ravens. 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He's a horrible analyst that always tries to circle it back to him when he talks about the Ravens. 

Why he took that job instead of a coaching job or becoming a full time motivational speaker is beyond me. He'd be great at the first one in all likelihood since for the last two years of his career he was a coach on the field and that's where his true value was, and he'd make infinently more with the second one.

 

Seriously. People give Ray credit for motivating the team during the second super bowl run, but he owes Flacco big time for the ring. Just saying.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Steve and Ray is borderline psychotic?  just rofl.   I wish fans like yourself can really move your dud 120m QB with you straight to Browns.   You can enjoy worshipping his amazing passion there.

That dud $120 million QB won Ray Lewis his second super bowl ring. Ray Lewis at the later portion of his career was not as good as everyone thinks he was. One of the 10 greatest defensive players ever for sure, but at the end of his career he was kind like Peyton was last year. Adaquate-slightly below average, but clearly not the dude he used to be. 

Seriously, I'll never get your beef with Flacco. The man has been a successful QB in his time here and most people have accepted that. He's won your team a damn ring and you're acting like he had nothing to do with it. Smh. Seriously I don't get it. You cite that he needs better stats, but when he puts up statistically one of the greatest postseason runs in NFL history you are the first one to credit Boldin and the line for everything. They played their part, but Tony Romo doesn't make those throws, Andy Dalton doesn't, Matthew Stafford? Nope. Tyrod? Please. Cam Newton choked on the big stage. No thank you. But here's the thing, I'd take all of the above over him in fantasy in a heartbeat. They have better stats. But they can't win the big one can they? Hell, Dalton had a phenomenal supporting cast a year ago and I still can guarentee you he'd mess it up somehow.

 

You really want to let him go? Seriously? You do know how hard it is to find a franchise QB right? It could take countless tries, and a lot of teams come out as failures because these QBs do not grow on trees. I'd argue there isn't a guy I think could be a SB winnner in this draft based off of what I've seen. And btw. The year Flacco was a FA our options would have been EJ Manuel, who had bust written all over him from the get go, and Geno Smith, who frankly was unimpressive in college. Best case scenario in that draft class is Mike Glennon, who's currently a backup, and he's the best QB of that class. The year after that you get Bridgewater, who's had injury concerns going back to his rookie season(even if he is admittantly a good QB), and Derek Carr, who's going to win a SB one day. Yeah, I'll admit he's better than Joe, I loved him coming out of school. And the year after that, Jameis and Mariota, who are both good players, but both in which we were not in a position to get. 2016, in no position to take Wentz, who I think is a top 3 QB one day, and Dak Prescott, and although he's good you have to give his supporting cast a ton of credit there. He's literally in the ideal situation for a rookie. 

 

Out of a few draft classes, each in which have a lot of QBs taken, only.. One I'd take over Joe(Carr) at this current moment, and one in the future in Wentz. 

Sorry, even though Flacco has been horrible, he's proven he can win big games if you put a team around him.. And football is a TEAM SPORT. To say that "he benefits from a supporting cast"... WHICH QB DOESN'T? Look at Andrew Luck. Very good QB right? His team is in third place in a crappy division. It's because his supporting cast is utter crap. It's the same crap the colts did with Peyton. They got him a good WR, a good TE, AND NOTHING ELSE. And yes, statistically Andrew Luck is having a better year than Joe, but we have a better record/we are a better team. Our supporting cast is barely better than Luck's. Our WR corps has two good players, one in which is a one trick pony, one is injury prone. There's potential but not much. Pitta has regressed, the oline is not as bad as the colts, but is pretty close. "But we have a defense". True. But if Flacco was truly a bonafida scrub, he'd find a way to lose in spite of the defense(see Mark Sanchez).

 

So even if Flacco has been crap this year, which he has been, I'm still happy he's here. We've seen QBs have down years before and come back strong. Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco(post 2013), Tony Romo. We need to build a better team. And guess what? Flacco's contract isn't what's preventing that. Ozzie has been poor in the 2012 draft and 2013. We're suffering for it now. He neglected the offensive line, and has just started to address it by taking our LT of the future. He neglected the secondary until recently. He's still better than almost every GM, he just had bad drafts. It happens. Our team is beggining to grow up, which is benefitting us, but we need to give Flacco a better oline, and maybe another option at WR that's COMPETENT. 

 

 

So stop it with the same damn nonsense over and over. Ozzie isn't gonnna listen to you and thank god..

 

[Tru11]

people seriously disrespecting ray in favor of flacco.

hilarious

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

14 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

people seriously disrespecting ray in favor of flacco.

hilarious

Ray Lewis is the greatest raven of all time, and one of the ten greatest defensive players EVER. His prime was so much better than Flacco it wasn't even funny, but let's be real, in 2012 he was done. He wasn't the same player he used to be. Father time always wins. Peyton Manning was trash last year because he was old. He's still my favorite non-raven ever. 

 

I mean *facepalm*.. You do understand we're cricizing RAY LEWIS THE ANALYST right? He's not the same as Ray Lewis the player. He's a terrible analyst. He's very self absorbed and whenever the ravens are brought up he finds a way to make it about him. Which other analysts do not do. And quite frankly he's said some outrageous things before his analyst career that made me wonder why anyone would hire him to do that in the first place. His talents are better suited as a coach, or a full time motivational speaker. He'd be excellent at either, and he'd a lot of money as a speaker. Speaking fees are really high if you're a public figure like Ray is. It's mind-boggling to me he doesn't do that full time. 

We are not criticizing Ray Lewis' football legacy. He was not a good player anymore towards the end of his career, but it's hard to find a guy who can consistently keep his prime up for so long. Even Tim Duncan sucked in his last year. Peyton Mannning did too. And Tom Brady is gonna hit a wall soon(that the NFL will pay for.. Sorry. I had to make that joke). Ray Lewis got old. It happens. He brought value to the 2012 SB team as a coach on the field. That's basically it. 

We are disrespecting Ray as an analyst. HE SUCKS AT IT. We have the right to. 

 

But sure. Put words in our mouth. SMH

 

And yes. You can be a great player and be a terrible analyst. Look at Bill Walton for basketball. His analysis on things is quite frankly horrible. He was a great player though. 

 

 

I mean for god's sakes. When did we question Ray Lewis in his prime? I mean. It's a no brainer on who's better. Ray Lewis in his prime is one of the 20 greatest players in NFL history. But Lewis at the end of his career was a shell of himself as many all time greats become. He owes Flacco big time for that second ring of his, as Flacco was the catalyst. It wasn't Lewis motivating the team, Flacco played out of his damn mind. He tends to do that in the postseason. He even did it AFTER RAY WAS GONE. Lewis at best was servicable during the super bowl run as a player. 

 

 

Your post is so mind bogglingly insulting that I can't comprehend it anymore. Lewis is a terrible analyst. I love him as a player. One of my favorite players ever. But his comments about Flacco were straight wrong. You don't need passion and fire to be a competitive person. In fact, I kind of like it that he keeps his cool. You don't need to be a rah rah leader. You just don't. He's literally criticizing Flacco for having a different leadership style to his. If that's the case he should call out CJ, who's an unquestioned leader of the defense, and more or less has a similar demeanor. Yet NO ONE on here calls him out for it.