Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[flynismo]

16 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Honest question. our last 4 games..would we have won or lost with the above mentioned QB's? 

i can assure you of 1 thing, we wouldn't have lost ALL 4.

How do you know? You're speculating. For all you know, we'd have got blown out all four games.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Thanks. Not 'bumping' at all K-Dog. It's easy to see that this thing ain't going away anytime soon (remember is Flacco Elite Thread?) Just trying to bring a little levity. I'm truly curious. I doubt anyone will fill in the blanks, but if they did...they would probably have something tangible and measurable to hold-on to. It could ease their minds and crystallize their focus in conversation.

For example one could say (not me): "50 passing TDs and 6000 passing yards and +100. QBR and 2/3rds of the salary he currently has in I'll just love this dude..." Then we could hear all about it at the end of the season and have a 'measurable, tangible dialog. Just a thought.

My answer to that question is: winning enough games to get to the postseason. Stats are irrelevant.

[Sami84]

Just now, flynismo said:

How do you know? You're speculating. For all you know, we'd have got blown out all four games.

blah blah blah...this will never end. Lets agree to disagree. You'll be a joe flacco fan even if he goes 20 interceptions to 9 touchdowns this year. Im done. Just get ready for the next game.

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

blah blah blah...this will never end. Lets agree to disagree. You'll be a joe flacco fan even if he goes 20 interceptions to 9 touchdowns this year. Im done. Just get ready for the next game.

Don't get upset when people point out your "assurances" are nothing but baseless opinion. I don't need to "get ready for the next game", I'm not on the team.

Edited November 4, 2016 by flynismo

[MTRavensFan]

23 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

blah blah blah...this will never end. Lets agree to disagree. You'll be a joe flacco fan even if he goes 20 interceptions to 9 touchdowns this year. Im done. Just get ready for the next game.

Thank you.

Let's agree to disagree. That means you can shut up now.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

look i understand..this has become an inept FO and it is frustrating. I know you guys want to believe in flacco so much but he isnt that guy. I also am aware that we cant do squat about it. He basically can play like the worst QB in the league and he can go home laughing, I get that BUT what I do NOT LIKE, is the lack of calling out flacco, which is something that CAN be done, be it the head coach or biscoitti or anyone high up. Instead, its the opposite. Joe isnt a young rookie, hes being paid like hes supposed to be a difference maker ( in the good way). Yet i cant recall anyone for the past 4 years, okay i'll say instead of anyone, harbaugh..i cant recall him ever saying '' joe needs to start playing better, he's been dissapointing and I am NOT happy with how he is playing''. If anything, it seems like the worse he plays the more harbs lavishes praise on him. Flacco must feel he OWNS this FO and his head coaches soul. It finally got to me when i saw him smirking on the bench TWICE during the oakland and redskins game and having a laugh with ryan fitzpatrick after the jets game. He doesn't care!! I havent seen him once walk to his WR"s or his offensive unit and crouch down and say something with any kind of authority. He just wonders back to his bench and casually looks at his note pad and with pitta/juice or any white dude on the team. When i saw a philip rivers or even dare i say it a matt ryan or aaron rodgers or tom brady or ben i see intensity, in the good way..bringing the troops together on the sideline and communicating. Flacco just seems to be just trying to get through the game and just get it over with and really doesnt care so much about the result. The guy he reminds me the most of is JAY CUTLER in that regard.

 

Someone needs to tell him PUBLICALLY that he's been terrible and this franchise deserves better or anything to light a fire under his <behind>

Would a public lashing suffice for you? Or would you prefer stoning?

[usmccharles]

Its amazing people still feed that guy, it just never ends. 

Joe is who he is.  Give him some weapons around him, some decent OL play and he can win us games.  This whole notion that his contract keeps us from being a contender is foolish, look at all the QBs and their contracts, its called market value.  I have accepted what Joe is, an inconsistent qb who can play great in the playoffs.  Im fine with that.  Its hard to find a franchise qb, look around the league, id rather have Joe here with his contract then trying to find a qb. 

[BirdWatcher]

3 hours ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

I learned a lot from reading this thread. I am a blind homer drunk with purple Kool-Aid because I think it is important to consider the many issues with the entire offense (especially the 0-line) when evaluating Joe this season.

Team Flacco!!!

Are we blind drunk homers allowed to drive?

[FlocksGottaFeed]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

My answer to that question is: winning enough games to get to the postseason. Stats are irrelevant.

Bingo! That would be my answer too, but you and I have never been as hyper critical of Flacco with no set (documented) standards to judge. It simply asked: 'What are your personal statistic/salary standards for Joe and if those are met will this satisfy you?" The stats fill-in is basically to allow those who are 'all over the place' and somewhat incoherent to document their personal performance standards for further evaluation and better future dialog on the subject. 

That's all.

[usmccharles]

14 minutes ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Bingo! That would be my answer too, but you and I have never been as hyper critical of Flacco with no set (documented) standards to judge. It simply asked: 'What are your personal statistic/salary standards for Joe and if those are met will this satisfy you?" The stats fill-in is basically to allow those who are 'all over the place' and somewhat incoherent to document their personal performance standards for further evaluation and better future dialog on the subject. 

That's all.

Yea, Im with you guys.  I don't care about stats.  Just get to the post-season.  Ask matt ryan how much he cares about those 4k yard seasons....

[gtalk12]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, Im with you guys.  I don't care about stats.  Just get to the post-season.  Ask matt ryan how much he cares about those 4k yard seasons....

 

i said this, but apparently I am speaking Chinese and I am a homer. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, gtalk12 said:

 

i said this, but apparently I am speaking Chinese and I am a homer. 

Duh, if you dont think we should fire the entire FO and trade joe, you are clearly a homer

[PurpleHorseman]

Hopefully this bings things in perspective so all fans alike can get to rooting for our offense  to begin firing on most of its cylinders anyways. Because the Flacco fans and the "Fluko" haters is getting redundant and childish. And annoying.  I mean nobody could say for sure he will get worse or better. So if the sides will put themselves in the walking shoes of what the opposing sides are thinking then you guys can find a common tailgate spot??

Before we look forward to Joe's consistent 300 yard 3 TD games, We examine his play this year. And try to understand the clear and blameless frustration and criticism some have for Joe Flacco. So let's get the frustration train trolling I mean rolling. Bad joke I know. Anyways be it you believe Joe has legit excuses or not.( I think he has them) There is no debate his play is shameful and even eventual bench worthy if it keeps up. I get it. QBs that show even fumes of a franchise or potential franchise QB is going to get paid.

I mean look at the Fitzpatrick holdout after one good year. But when that QB is playing like the journeyman and jobbers without a contract. You know the Hoyers and McCowns who all do have their own moments and stretches of good play. Then what is the point of paying Joe Flacco or any QB 20+ million per year? If he is going to play like a jobber or one of the Qbs that starts during that time period during a search for The Franchise QB. If your QB consistently plays like the jobbers then you may as well begin the painful Easter egg hunt for the golden QB? Since you are not going to lose much, if anything  by playing a different qb. You may as well begin looking for a real franchise QB. Please keep in mind that it is only if the bad play begins to snowball. 

ONE bad 5 game stretch is not a reason to write off a Super Bowl QB. If you happen to believe his play is who he is going to be during his contract extension. Then by all means state your case and reasons you Believe that. Or else that belief holds zero water. And you are saying it out of frustration and emotions of ravens failure last year and this season.

However, before writing him off. Watch his highlights. See what he could do from behind a dominant line. Just as his biggest supporters determine his worth if his terrible play continues. Look at his throwing motion,release, velocity, rpms, and pinpoint accuracy. Watching his release, velocity to its target and accuracy is as good as any QB in the NFL. Winstons pure throwing skill is often lauded. Joe Flacco is right there with him.

When Flacco's OL dominated, He was the best QB in the playoffs. Say it again. When his OL dominates, Joe is as good as Roethlisberger,Rivers, Luck and Ryan. And even Brady, Brees and Rodgers. The difference is Joe needs his OL to dominate a little more than those guys.  That is not a knock on Joe. Those QBs are freaks for the position. Their skill to scan their weapons and the defense at warp speed is very very rare!  The fact  that Joe can match or exceed their play. With the help of a dominant OL should excite you as a fan. His potential should excite you. And should be a QB you will happily like on your team.

Any coincidence the young QB that is distinguishing himself is the one with the best OL?  Derek Carr is a notch better than his young bright rivals. Prescott is playing well behind a great OL and run game. Wentz took a small step back when his dominant RT was suspended. Bradford looked awesome until his tackles got hit with injuries. The Tackles got hurt, offense sputtered and coaches  bickered. There was so much turmoil the OC resigned. Do you think any of those problems come to the forefront if the OL wasn't hit with the injury bug? Ravens offensive problems are not unique with teams experiencing bad OL play.

Joe Flacco went on an historic playoff run behind a dominant OL. And he was the best QB in the NFL that year. Do you really think he can't even come close to that again once his OL is dominant? I think we should put resources into the OL. I think Joe could be elite with a dominant OL and would only need good WR's. He wouldn't need Jones or Beckham. Protect him well and he will put up great numbers and points on the scoreboard. He would only need a couple of good No. 2WR's. Say WR's the caliber of Wright in Tennessee, Tyler Boyd,Landry,Locket,Crowder, and the guy the patriots signed. Can't think of his name. Weapons like that who can win intermediate and get deep when necessary.  

I think ravens should put their resources into the OL and finding a good OC that Joe can connect with. While finding good adequate quality WR's. You pay Julio jones $16+million per year and a defense can take him out of the game. I think A dominant OL with a very good system and QB with a strong pinpoint accurate arm will show up every game!  

 

 

Edited November 5, 2016 by PurpleHorseman

[BirdWatcher]

11 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Duh, if you dont think we should fire the entire FO and trade joe, you are clearly a homer

Make that a blind homer drunk on purple kool-aid.

[Somerset Ravens]

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

Make that a blind homer drunk on purple kool-aid.

Pass the purple kool-aid please.

[Crimson Raven]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Pass the purple kool-aid please.

I'll take a hit.

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, Crimson Raven said:

I'll take a hit.

It is like Ravens communion. Everyone takes a sip.

[flynismo]

On 11/4/2016 at 2:49 PM, OriolesMagicPlease said:

I learned a lot from reading this thread. I am a blind homer drunk with purple Kool-Aid because I think it is important to consider the many issues with the entire offense (especially the 0-line) when evaluating Joe this season.

Team Flacco!!!

Also, you may have noticed that when you consider all these issues on offense when evaluating Joe, that is not referred to as being pragmatic or logical, but rather as creating excuses due to your drunken state of homerism.

Personally, I think anyone who uses the phrase "kool aid" is an unoriginal dolt who couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag. That stopped being a thing twenty years ago lol

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

Also, you may have noticed that when you consider all these issues on offense when evaluating Joe, that is not referred to as being pragmatic or logical, but rather as creating excuses due to your drunken state of homerism.

Personally, I think anyone who uses the phrase "kool aid" is an unoriginal dolt who couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag. That stopped being a thing twenty years ago lol

hey lets bring back Camp Creampuff. That way we can all go crazy on Kool aid and creampuffs. 

[Wisdom]

On 11/4/2016 at 5:36 PM, usmccharles said:

Its amazing people still feed that guy, it just never ends. 

Joe is who he is.  Give him some weapons around him, some decent OL play and he can win us games.  This whole notion that his contract keeps us from being a contender is foolish, look at all the QBs and their contracts, its called market value.  I have accepted what Joe is, an inconsistent qb who can play great in the playoffs.  Im fine with that.  Its hard to find a franchise qb, look around the league, id rather have Joe here with his contract then trying to find a qb. 

Please stop repeating that imprudent rhetoric. "There are not enough good Qb's so let’s paid these below average, inconsistent slow QBs the so-called market value vice their true market value.  Flacco’s contract no doubt put this team at a competitive disadvantage.  Since most on this forum doesn’t care about the Ravens but rather Flacco’s comfortable lifestyle!  I tell you what, how about, we renegotiate his contract and give him some more money and then we can all say …. 

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, Wisdom said:

Please stop repeating that imprudent rhetoric. "There are not enough good Qb's so let’s paid these below average, inconsistent slow QBs the so-called market value vice their true market value.  Flacco’s contract no doubt put this team at a competitive disadvantage.  Since most on this forum doesn’t care about the Ravens but rather Flacco’s comfortable lifestyle!  I tell you what, how about, we renegotiate his contract and give him some more money and then we can all say …. 

 

 

oddly enough, I think there would be another celebration thread if that were to happen..

[Wisdom]

5 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

oddly enough, I think there would be another celebration thread if that were to happen..

Agree!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

oddly enough, I think there would be another celebration thread if that were to happen..

No there wouldn't because there's absolutely no benefit to doing so. 

There was when it was done before. 

It's pretty telling that the company you keep on this forum... their only posts are to either bash Flacco the coach or FO. 

I don't see any of you in draft talk, other team discussions, in any of the offseason franchise games or discussions, etc...

And I would bet it's bc none of you have a lick of knowledge or anything to add when it comes to an actual football discussion. 

Really legitimizes the stuff you agree with. Great company to keep. The trolls with 5 accounts who are only here to try to get a rise for attention. But, I think secretly you admire that and aspire to be that one day. 

 

I love how any time anyone forgets who we're dealing with and attempts to have an intelligent debate with any of you... it quickly digresses into "look, if you think Flacco can play then agree to disagree..." 

Beyond - Flacco sucks, well bc he sucks... bc I saw him play bad.... stats... there just isn't anything. 

If you want to say we're making excuses by pointing to the OL, WR, OC changes, etc.... then debunk it. Show us why those things don't matter. Show me the other great QBs that thrive in similar situations. Show me times when Joe had weapons and good OL and was still horrible. 

Or just keep "agree to disagree"ing that all away. 

[Wisdom]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

oddly enough, I think there would be another celebration thread if that were to happen..

 

2 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Please stop repeating that imprudent rhetoric. "There are not enough good Qb's so let’s paid these below average, inconsistent slow QBs the so-called market value vice their true market value.  Flacco’s contract no doubt put this team at a competitive disadvantage.  Since most on this forum doesn’t care about the Ravens but rather Flacco’s comfortable lifestyle!  I tell you what, how about, we renegotiate his contract and give him some more money and then we can all say …. 

Must have touch a nerve.  This site once again has edited and censored my post.  Nonetheless, I will continued to post. 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

 

Must have touch a nerve.  This site once again has edited and censored my post.  Nonetheless, I will continued to post. 

Any time a post is edited,  it says so at the bottom

[Wisdom]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Any time a post is edited,  it says so at the bottom

Apparently not however, that's cool!  I'm used to it.  I always take a picture of everything I write.  So, if it is deleted or altered I have the original.  I have my own personal reasons for doing so. In the meantime, I’m grateful for the Russell street and Baltimore beat down forum websites.  It's not as restricted or censored as it is here.  Knockout! it amazes me how the mods on this site imposes their moral judgement (about average / below average Joe) on others.   It’s no secret, I do not like Flacco as the Ravens QB nor have I ever however, I should be free to express my discontent with him as those who admire him…. To each his/her own.   I’m tired of the threats, warnings and buffoonish messages.  All it does is energizes me to post more.

[flynismo]

3 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

hey lets bring back Camp Creampuff. That way we can all go crazy on Kool aid and creampuffs. 

Sadly, RSR beat you to it...except they were being serious. lol

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/09/camp-notes/camp-creampuff-returns/

Edited November 6, 2016 by flynismo

[rmcjacket23]

22 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

Apparently not however, that's cool!  I'm used to it.  I always take a picture of everything I write.  So, if it is deleted or altered I have the original.  I have my own personal reasons for doing so. In the meantime, I’m grateful for the Russell street and Baltimore beat down forum websites.  It's not as restricted or censored as it is here.  Knockout! it amazes me how the mods on this site imposes their moral judgement (about average / below average Joe) on others.   It’s no secret, I do not like Flacco as the Ravens QB nor have I ever however, I should be free to express my discontent with him as those who admire him…. To each his/her own.   I’m tired of the threats, warnings and buffoonish messages.  All it does is energizes me to post more.

 

So you are tired of something that energizes you more?

I wonder if you even recognize the hypocrisy of such a statement...

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

On 10/24/2016 at 9:28 PM, sflegend89 said:

Joe Flacco: 12th most sacked QB, sacked 14 times, 5 TD's, 6 INT's, 75.4 QBR

Andrew Luck: 1st most sacked QB, sacked 25 times, 14 TD's, 4 INT's, 98.3 QBR

Matt Ryan: Tied for 3rd most sacked QB, sacked 18 times, 16 TD's, 4 INT's, 113.6 QBR

Matthew Stafford: Tied for 3rd most sacked QB, sacked 18 times, 15 TD's, 4 INT's, 105.7 QBR

Philip Rivers: 6th most sacked QB, Sacked 17 times, 13 TD'S, 4 INT's, 102.4 QBR

Facts:

- Joe Flacco has the 29th worst QBR in the NFL 

- Andrew Luck has been sacked NEARLY TWICE as much as Joe Flacco yet is dominating him in every statistical category, Colts have what many feel is worst OL in football

- Only other QB's besides Flacco in entire NFL with negative TD-INT ratio are Case Keenum and Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

Enough excuses for Joe, I'm a long time supporter of his even through rough patches but this is different. This year so far he's not elite... not average... not even below average, he's amongst the very worst starting QB's in the entire NFL. Everything from his mechanics, to his accuracy, to his overall passing stats tell us so. Guys like Rivers have comparable weapons/OL and are blowing him out of the water.

 

You forgot he's now afraid to step up into the pocket

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

You forgot he's now afraid to step up into the pocket

In the very rare occasion that there's a pocket to step into.