Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

lol so you think they're going to show the BAD plays in their HIGHLIGHTS????

Ironic.... the whole "thinking before typing" bit.

I watch both good and bad highlights. Sigh

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

I have to go get LASIK right now bro. We'll continue this later. Love you 

In all seriousness, hope it goes well, if that wasn't meant to be a joke.

I'll leave you with this Cam Newton INT throwing off his back foot to think about:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap1000000082674/Newton-throws-pick-in-red-zone

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I watch both good and bad highlights. Sigh

Theres no such thing as a bad "highlight." Sigh....

High, as in "up", "positive." 

I think what  you're looking for is "lowlights." And, where are you seeing these. NFL.com or ESPN who only show the good plays and turnovers... and maybe 1/20th of the QBs total throws in a game... aka a worthless snapshot of what their total game is.

 

SSSSSSSiiiiiiiiiggggggggghhhhhhhh

Edited November 4, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Deflated Football]

8 minutes ago, flynismo said:

In all seriousness, hope it goes well, if that wasn't meant to be a joke.

I'll leave you with this Cam Newton INT throwing off his back foot to think about:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap1000000082674/Newton-throws-pick-in-red-zone

Thank man. Appreciate that. But you just haaaad to send that video lol 

Edited November 4, 2016 by Deflated Football

[usmccharles]

Well this is entertaining. 

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Thank man. Appreciate that. But you just haaaad to send that video lol 

Absolutely had to, there's several more in reserve. Not because I'm excusing Flacco from doing the same, but just trying to get across the point that I've been trying to make all along. Bad things happen to your QB when the OL gives up, especially to the QBs mechanics. Hell, even when the OL gives Tom Brady all day to throw, like in this INT, his mechanics on that play were absolutely terrible, and the reason why that pass sailed on him: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000403194/Tom-Brady-intercepted-by-Sean-Smith

Does that mean Brady sucks? Does it mean Newton sucks? Does it mean Flacco sucks? Of course not....it just means look at the bigger picture.

[rmcjacket23]

45 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Lol, whatever you say homer. I'm a huge fan of Rodgers and Cam and I watch all their highlights, same with Rivers since I live on the west coast and San Diego is on quite often in my market. Plus we see the Steelers twice a year, so think before you type. 

LOL, yes, you watch all of their HIGHLIGHTS. 

Guess what doesn't show up in the 30 second clip ESPN shows? The backfooted throws 10 feet over the receivers head that land incomplete. Don't really make the "highlight" cut too often.

I said nothing about Rivers or Ben, though they obviously throw off their back feet too, because as you later said, "what QB doesn't do that?".

But the fact that you lumped in two guys who are well known for throwing off their back foot in a group of people you say don't do it is quite embarrassing. I mean you're 50% wrong on that. That's pretty bad.

Edited November 4, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[redrum52]

24 minutes ago, flynismo said:

In all seriousness, hope it goes well, if that wasn't meant to be a joke.

I'll leave you with this Cam Newton INT throwing off his back foot to think about:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap1000000082674/Newton-throws-pick-in-red-zone

Cam is an awful qb to compare someone too.  He's had success despite some of the worst footwork in the league.

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Cam is an awful qb to compare someone too.  He's had success despite some of the worst footwork in the league.

Well, yeah, which was pretty much the point...it was in response to a discussion about QBs throwing off their back foot:

He's had success, but not without a whole lot of struggles as well.

Edited November 4, 2016 by flynismo

[redrum52]

Just now, flynismo said:

Well, yeah, which was pretty much the point...it was in response to a discussion about QBs throwing off their back foot:

 

Oh god...  his passes constantly sail over wrs heads... and he has a pair of targets 6'5 or more outside.  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Oh god...  his passes constantly sail over wrs heads... and he has a pair of targets 6'5 or more outside.  

Hey, dont go throwing those facts around here.

It obviously makes much more sense to compare other teams highlights to the full games, and every snap that we scrutinize of Flacco...

And when every snap of Flacco's isnt up to snuff with Aaron Rodgers or Cam Newton's highlights... well then its just obvious Joe's trash. Funny thing is, Mr. Successful Cam and his team are playing like GARBAGE. HOT STINKY GARBAGE. And thats with their full compliment of stars.

And with Joe playing relatively poorly, with a shell of our OL, and our best weapon out... we've likewise played like crap. but our crap is still good enough to have a chance to win all 4 of our losses.

 

But lets trade for the situation where we get blown out every week. 15-1 to 2-5 in less than a year. Gimme some of that please.

[redrum52]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Hey, dont go throwing those facts around here.

It obviously makes much more sense to compare other teams highlights to the full games, and every snap that we scrutinize of Flacco...

And when every snap of Flacco's isnt up to snuff with Aaron Rodgers or Cam Newton's highlights... well then its just obvious Joe's trash. Funny thing is, Mr. Successful Cam and his team are playing like GARBAGE. HOT STINKY GARBAGE. And thats with their full compliment of stars.

And with Joe playing relatively poorly, with a shell of our OL, and our best weapon out... we've likewise played like crap. but our crap is still good enough to have a chance to win all 4 of our losses.

 

But lets trade for the situation where we get blown out every week. 15-1 to 2-5 in less than a year. Gimme some of that please.

He kinda killed any credibility with the highlight comment, but I an see where a lot of the Flacco "hate" comes from.  To out it nicely, he hasn't been playing well, granted other thingso around haven't been up to par.  He still needs to play better.

 

 

@Sami84  your crusade to have him traded isn't even possible for the next 2-3, unless the organization decides it's really time for a full rebuild and scraps damn near everything.  Everyone sees the Raiders now, but forget the maybe 4-5 years in cap hell getting rid of bad deals and the hits absorbed.

[Sami84]

14 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

He kinda killed any credibility with the highlight comment, but I an see where a lot of the Flacco "hate" comes from.  To out it nicely, he hasn't been playing well, granted other thingso around haven't been up to par.  He still needs to play better.

 

 

@Sami84  your crusade to have him traded isn't even possible for the next 2-3, unless the organization decides it's really time for a full rebuild and scraps damn near everything.  Everyone sees the Raiders now, but forget the maybe 4-5 years in cap hell getting rid of bad deals and the hits absorbed.

 

 

i know it isnt possible..i said the extension was the dumbest move in FO history to date. It's set us back years now. I think the joe Fluucko fans need more time to recognise that he is a liability and im okay with that. More and more people are seeing it and even the homers on this board will eventually throw their stuff at the tv set and want this guy out. Hopefully in a couple of years he'll be out and we'll get rid of his sickening dead money not long after. I wrote a thread about the dark ages coming and it's now in full operation. We are going to win a grand total of 1-2 games from now until the end of the season. Those 3 wins were a waste of time and draft position. This team needs myles garret more than anything.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Sami84

[Cillmatic]

This might be the longest unproductive debate in sports forum history. This thread is a cesspool at this point.

[Sami84]

Just now, Cillmatic said:

This might be the longest unproductive debate in sports forum history. This thread is a cesspool at this point.

indeed but you know some people here need to go 5 out 6 years with no playoffs before they budge. It seems like a habit on this forum to compare to the worst to validate a player. I come from a different line of thought. Just because other teams make stupid decisons with bad QBs doesnt mean our bad QB is suddenly validated. Nothing is worse than looking at the worst as a benchmark and reason to be ''gratefull'. that seems like a habit of some people here

[ellicottraven]

Just now, Sami84 said:

i know it isnt possible..i said the extension was the dumbest move in FO history to date. It's set us back years now. I think the joe Flacco fans need more time to recognise that he is a liability and im okay with that. More and more people are seeing it and even the homers on this board will eventually throw their stuff at the tv set and want this guy out. Hopefully in a couple of years he'll be out and we'll get rid of his sickening dead money not long after. I wrote a thread about the dark ages coming and it's now in full operation. We are going to win a grand total of 1-2 games from now until the end of the season. Those 3 wins were a waste of time and draft position. This team needs myles garret more than anything.

If you are a fan of the Ravens, even if what you say may ring true to some it would be UnRaven to root for his trade. Instead why don't you root for him to get better? After his latest extension of 22M/yr and his play this year, even if the Ravens wanted to trade him, he may have to renegotiate his deal and why in the world would anybody do that? Perhaps there are a few teams that would take tha I believe Flacco is going through a bad patch and will recover from it as he gains trust in his knee and gains confidence to plant his foot under pressure. He'll overcome this lull eventually.

I am a realist and will say that Flacco is playing nowhere near top 10-15 QB level right now and its hard to dispute that statistically. But, along the same lines I really think it has more to do with his knee than anything else. When you think about it he's coming out of multiple tears to his ligaments in his left knee not even 8 months ago! The fact that he's even suiting up makes him a trooper. Like many fellow homers out here, I thought in his 9th year Flacco would become universally considered elite. Well, I was wrong big time.

I have come to the realization that Flacco is a very good QB some days and a terrible QB other days and is perhaps among the more inconsistent QBs out there. That doesn't qualify for an 'elite' QB at this time for sure. However, Flacco has proven statistically that he does perform in the playoffs. Was it an outlier? I don't think you could have 5-6 straight outlier years in the playoffs right? I urge you to refrain from being so negative about Flacco and understand there may be reasons for his poor performance. Did the Ravens make a mistake in giving him a huge extension? I don't know because 20-20 hindsight is great but if I were the Ravens brass in the off season, I may have followed suit. If they had known this would be Flacco's performance in 2016, I'm sure they wouldn't have offered him the extension but I am not going to blame them for the decision I would have also made.

[redrum52]

22 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i know it isnt possible..i said the extension was the dumbest move in FO history to date. It's set us back years now. I think the joe Fluucko fans need more time to recognise that he is a liability and im okay with that. More and more people are seeing it and even the homers on this board will eventually throw their stuff at the tv set and want this guy out. Hopefully in a couple of years he'll be out and we'll get rid of his sickening dead money not long after. I wrote a thread about the dark ages coming and it's now in full operation. We are going to win a grand total of 1-2 games from now until the end of the season. Those 3 wins were a waste of time and draft position. This team needs myles garret more than anything.

The options were pretty limited as far as the extension.  His cap hits were high 20s and it seemed all along the plan was to have this done from the time the FO signed the deal initially.

[Sami84]

18 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

The options were pretty limited as far as the extension.  His cap hits were high 20s and it seemed all along the plan was to have this done from the time the FO signed the deal initially.

 

I'd prefer leverage and cap space . lets be brutally honest here..with the extension and space this gave us we went out and got 3 guys over 30 with no long term future. Heck one of them tore his achillies. Weddle was a good one but really the issue with this FO is they are in denial about rebuilding and think they just need to retool. WRONG. 

 

This season is proving it. We should have taken the hit this year.

[Militant X 1]

Can't believe cats are in here arguing over watching "highlights".  Wow!  Sunday can't get here quick enough it seems.

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Tough Talk meets Real Talk:

Just curious. What would it take for Flacco critics to be satisfied with his play, salary, stats, etc.?  I mean really...what are your real expectations? 

1. How many touchdowns this season?:
2. How many passing yards this season?:
3. How many interceptions this season?:
4. How high of a QBR this season?:
5. How much is a fair price for him once he meets your personal standards?:
6. How highly ranked by the end of the season?: Currently 14th

Fill in the blanks. It can only bring more levity to the conversation. I'm just curious.

Bumping this very good post that seems to have gotten buried . 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

23 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Bumping this very good post that seems to have gotten buried . 

Thanks. Not 'bumping' at all K-Dog. It's easy to see that this thing ain't going away anytime soon (remember is Flacco Elite Thread?) Just trying to bring a little levity. I'm truly curious. I doubt anyone will fill in the blanks, but if they did...they would probably have something tangible and measurable to hold-on to. It could ease their minds and crystallize their focus in conversation.

For example one could say (not me): "50 passing TDs and 6000 passing yards and +100. QBR and 2/3rds of the salary he currently has in I'll just love this dude..." Then we could hear all about it at the end of the season and have a 'measurable, tangible dialog. Just a thought.

Edited November 4, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
thanks brother

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

indeed but you know some people here need to go 5 out 6 years with no playoffs before they budge. It seems like a habit on this forum to compare to the worst to validate a player. I come from a different line of thought. Just because other teams make stupid decisons with bad QBs doesnt mean our bad QB is suddenly validated. Nothing is worse than looking at the worst as a benchmark and reason to be ''gratefull'. that seems like a habit of some people here

It's not looking at the worst and comparing... its looking at what paying even slightly less for a QB gets you since the argument seems to be we're paying him too much.

Ok - save $2m and you get Brock Osweiler, Kirk Cousins, or Sam Bradford - take your pick.

 

Or, you want to draft a guy instead? Good luck getting the .25 franchise QBs that come out annually. 

 

And, in order to do that, we'd have to purposely go into a dark ages. Us "homers" just tend to think that Joe is easily good enough to keep us competitive, so long as we have a good defense and competent offense around him.... while we can STILL look for the next QB in the draft. 

Dont get rid of the one you got, til you find the next one. That'd be the stupidest move of all time.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

I learned a lot from reading this thread. I am a blind homer drunk with purple Kool-Aid because I think it is important to consider the many issues with the entire offense (especially the 0-line) when evaluating Joe this season.

Team Flacco!!!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

56 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I'd prefer leverage and cap space . lets be brutally honest here..with the extension and space this gave us we went out and got 3 guys over 30 with no long term future. Heck one of them tore his achillies. Weddle was a good one but really the issue with this FO is they are in denial about rebuilding and think they just need to retool. WRONG. 

 

This season is proving it. We should have taken the hit this year.

So, are you trying to say that this years team is so far off from from 2014's that couldve won a SB?

 

And on a broader point, i think this is why people get tired of you. 

Ok, we get it, you dont like Flacco and think it was the wrong move. Fine. Youre entitled whether we agree or not. 

BUT - even you admit you know we're tied to him, at least for another 3 years or so... SO SHUT UP ABOUT HIM ALREADY. He's here. If there a solution, if the team is to improve in the near future, its WITH HIM AT QB.

And, we were contenders 7 out of 8 years with him at the helm... so these solutions do exist. You can win with Flacco... whether you think there are easier/better ways to compete, whatever.

Its like you saying "Man, when that Global Warming trend started - i told you all we shouldve took Humanity to Mars - we wouldnt be dealing with this 100 degree weather..." Couple things... 1) 100 degree weather isnt a reason to move the human race,  and 2) there is literally 0 possibility or capability of moving the human race to Mars, just like there's literally 0 chance we move on from Flacco right now. So, stop spouting off about stuff we all know isnt going to happen.

You can claim to be right all you want, which si easy, since we all know it will never happen, and therefore you cant be proven wrong. 

 

So instead of taking the easy stance - Flacco sucks, booo, cut him - how about dealing with reality like the rest of us, regardless of which side of the fence you fall on, and saying "hes here... my team is committed to him for various reasons... we have been contenders, and even won with him. So whats different now? How do we get back to where we were?" 

You should even like that sort of thing, bc you get to say "this is what i think Joe's weaknesses are, so if we can do x, y, and z to make up for those, we should still be able to compete at a high level for the next 3 years while we look to draft the next franchise guy."

 

I mean unless you really think its impossible to win with him... in which case, well you might be stupid... since we have won with him and all.

But, I think people might actually tolerate or respect you then... and we might actually get to see some of your football knowledge, bc i do honestly think you have some.

But the Flacco sucks, cut him, we're doomed, blah blah blah is just stupid.

Edited November 4, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Tank 92]

25 minutes ago, OriolesMagicPlease said:

I learned a lot from reading this thread. I am a blind homer drunk with purple Kool-Aid because I think it is important to consider the many issues with the entire offense (especially the 0-line) when evaluating Joe this season.

Team Flacco!!!

Haha!   Good one. 

[Sami84]

4 hours ago, redrum52 said:

The options were pretty limited as far as the extension.  His cap hits were high 20s and it seemed all along the plan was to have this done from the time the FO signed the deal initially.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So, are you trying to say that this years team is so far off from from 2014's that couldve won a SB?

 

And on a broader point, i think this is why people get tired of you. 

Ok, we get it, you dont like Flacco and think it was the wrong move. Fine. Youre entitled whether we agree or not. 

BUT - even you admit you know we're tied to him, at least for another 3 years or so... SO SHUT UP ABOUT HIM ALREADY. He's here. If there a solution, if the team is to improve in the near future, its WITH HIM AT QB.

And, we were contenders 7 out of 8 years with him at the helm... so these solutions do exist. You can win with Flacco... whether you think there are easier/better ways to compete, whatever.

Its like you saying "Man, when that Global Warming trend started - i told you all we shouldve took Humanity to Mars - we wouldnt be dealing with this 100 degree weather..." Couple things... 1) 100 degree weather isnt a reason to move the human race,  and 2) there is literally 0 possibility or capability of moving the human race to Mars, just like there's literally 0 chance we move on from Flacco right now. So, stop spouting off about stuff we all know isnt going to happen.

You can claim to be right all you want, which si easy, since we all know it will never happen, and therefore you cant be proven wrong. 

 

So instead of taking the easy stance - Flacco sucks, booo, cut him - how about dealing with reality like the rest of us, regardless of which side of the fence you fall on, and saying "hes here... my team is committed to him for various reasons... we have been contenders, and even won with him. So whats different now? How do we get back to where we were?" 

You should even like that sort of thing, bc you get to say "this is what i think Joe's weaknesses are, so if we can do x, y, and z to make up for those, we should still be able to compete at a high level for the next 3 years while we look to draft the next franchise guy."

 

I mean unless you really think its impossible to win with him... in which case, well you might be stupid... since we have won with him and all.

But, I think people might actually tolerate or respect you then... and we might actually get to see some of your football knowledge, bc i do honestly think you have some.

But the Flacco sucks, cut him, we're doomed, blah blah blah is just stupid.

 

 

look i understand..this has become an inept FO and it is frustrating. I know you guys want to believe in flacco so much but he isnt that guy. I also am aware that we cant do squat about it. He basically can play like the worst QB in the league and he can go home laughing, I get that BUT what I do NOT LIKE, is the lack of calling out flacco, which is something that CAN be done, be it the head coach or biscoitti or anyone high up. Instead, its the opposite. Joe isnt a young rookie, hes being paid like hes supposed to be a difference maker ( in the good way). Yet i cant recall anyone for the past 4 years, okay i'll say instead of anyone, harbaugh..i cant recall him ever saying '' joe needs to start playing better, he's been dissapointing and I am NOT happy with how he is playing''. If anything, it seems like the worse he plays the more harbs lavishes praise on him. Flacco must feel he OWNS this FO and his head coaches soul. It finally got to me when i saw him smirking on the bench TWICE during the oakland and redskins game and having a laugh with ryan fitzpatrick after the jets game. He doesn't care!! I havent seen him once walk to his WR"s or his offensive unit and crouch down and say something with any kind of authority. He just wonders back to his bench and casually looks at his note pad and with pitta/juice or any white dude on the team. When i saw a philip rivers or even dare i say it a matt ryan or aaron rodgers or tom brady or ben i see intensity, in the good way..bringing the troops together on the sideline and communicating. Flacco just seems to be just trying to get through the game and just get it over with and really doesnt care so much about the result. The guy he reminds me the most of is JAY CUTLER in that regard.

 

Someone needs to tell him PUBLICALLY that he's been terrible and this franchise deserves better or anything to light a fire under his <behind>

Edited November 4, 2016 by Moderator 3
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[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

 

look i understand..this has become an inept FO and it is frustrating. I know you guys want to believe in flacco so much but he isnt that guy. I also am aware that we cant do squat about it. He basically can play like the worst QB in the league and he can go home laughing, I get that BUT what I do NOT LIKE, is the lack of calling out flacco, which is something that CAN be done, be it the head coach or biscoitti or anyone high up. Instead, its the opposite. Joe isnt a young rookie, hes being paid like hes supposed to be a difference maker ( in the good way). Yet i cant recall anyone for the past 4 years, okay i'll say instead of anyone, harbaugh..i cant recall him ever saying '' joe needs to start playing better, he's been dissapointing and I am NOT happy with how he is playing''. If anything, it seems like the worse he plays the more harbs lavishes praise on him. Flacco must feel he OWNS this FO and his head coaches soul. It finally got to me when i saw him smirking on the bench TWICE during the oakland and redskins game. He doesn't care!! I havent seen him once walk to his WR"s or his offensive unit and crouch down and say something with any kind of authority. He just wonders back to his bench and casually looks at his note pad and with pitta/juice or any white dude on the team. When i saw a philip rivers or even dare i say it a matt ryan or aaron rodgers or tom brady or ben i see intensity, in the good way..bringing the troops together on the sideline and communicating. Flacco just seems to be just trying to get through the game and just get it over with and really doesnt care so much about the result. The guy he reminds me the most of is JAY CUTLER in that regard.

 

Someone needs to tell him PUBLICALLY that he's been terrible and this franchise deserves better or anything to light a fire under his <behind>

Has Harbs called out anyone like that?

I dont recall anyone from our organization every talking about a player on our team ever like that. Maybe along the lines of "yea, he made a mistake there, and we cant have that." But never in the way you're describing.

 

2nd... Big Ben does not get all fired up and emotional. Brady does, and it works for him. Rivers does - and they dont do jack squat.

SSS gets at guys like that... doesnt seem to have the effect you're looking for. I know as fans we like to remember our HS sporting events where we all got fired up that one time and beat the local powerhouse when we were underdogs... but this is the pros. Guys need to just go do their job.

I'd love to see more passion from Joe on the field personally... i too get frustrated when i see him casually walk back to the sideline after throwing a pick, or not getting in his OL's grill after they let a free rusher through and drill him... but i also recognize him doing that would only appease my selfish need for it. It's not going to make the OL player better, or WRs catch better.

 

More often than not, in the types of games where youd think that stuff would matter most, big play off games.... Flaccos had all of those guys number. Maybe its because he doesnt get all worked up. Idk... i doubt that too.

 

I guess here's what i was trying to say. No matter how much you hate Flacco.... you have to admit, our OL this year and last has been AWFUL. Our cast of WRs, even when healthy (which they havent been in quite some time) is bottom tier in the league. And our offensive system has been piss poor since Kubes left. Joe is the ONLY QB, even with marginal success, who's had as many OC changes as he has.... in fact i dont think ANY qb in the league has had as many changes as him.

So - there are these things. Whether you think they're the main culprits, or would only have a marginal impact - thats up to you. But we're tied to Joe. Thats a fact. These changes CAN actually happen. We CAN improve the OL. We CAN bring in better weapons. We CAN search for a better, and long term OC. 

And guess what - even if Joe IS the problem... if we fix those things in the mean time, then when we do what you want and move on from Flacco - we'll have an OL, passing game, run game and OC in place for the next guy coming in... he'll be set up for optimum success. Any QB walking into this situation right now, would be a dumpster fire.

So instead of wasting all our time crying about literally THE ONE thing that wont change.... lets at least talk about and try the things we all recognize that could improve the QB play. If he still isnt playing well - ok. 

Then you win, bc we'll all have to eat our words.... great OL, check. Good WRs, check. Great play calling, check. Decent run game, check. QB play, poor. Joe's lost it.

But, maybe youre afraid to see those things improve, bc maybe, just maybe Joe might actually play well again and then there goes your only talking point - and youve got nothing to cry about anymore.

[Sami84]

20 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Has Harbs called out anyone like that?

I dont recall anyone from our organization every talking about a player on our team ever like that. Maybe along the lines of "yea, he made a mistake there, and we cant have that." But never in the way you're describing.

 

2nd... Big Ben does not get all fired up and emotional. Brady does, and it works for him. Rivers does - and they dont do jack squat.

SSS gets at guys like that... doesnt seem to have the effect you're looking for. I know as fans we like to remember our HS sporting events where we all got fired up that one time and beat the local powerhouse when we were underdogs... but this is the pros. Guys need to just go do their job.

I'd love to see more passion from Joe on the field personally... i too get frustrated when i see him casually walk back to the sideline after throwing a pick, or not getting in his OL's grill after they let a free rusher through and drill him... but i also recognize him doing that would only appease my selfish need for it. It's not going to make the OL player better, or WRs catch better.

 

More often than not, in the types of games where youd think that stuff would matter most, big play off games.... Flaccos had all of those guys number. Maybe its because he doesnt get all worked up. Idk... i doubt that too.

 

I guess here's what i was trying to say. No matter how much you hate Flacco.... you have to admit, our OL this year and last has been AWFUL. Our cast of WRs, even when healthy (which they havent been in quite some time) is bottom tier in the league. And our offensive system has been piss poor since Kubes left. Joe is the ONLY QB, even with marginal success, who's had as many OC changes as he has.... in fact i dont think ANY qb in the league has had as many changes as him.

So - there are these things. Whether you think they're the main culprits, or would only have a marginal impact - thats up to you. But we're tied to Joe. Thats a fact. These changes CAN actually happen. We CAN improve the OL. We CAN bring in better weapons. We CAN search for a better, and long term OC. 

So instead of wasting all our time crying about literally THE ONE thing that wont change.... lets at least talk about and try the things we all recognize that could improve the QB play. If he still isnt playing well - ok. 

Then you win, bc we'll all have to eat our words.... great OL, check. Good WRs, check. Great play calling, check. Decent run game, check. QB play, poor. Joe's lost it.

But, maybe youre afraid to see those things improve, bc maybe, just maybe Joe might actually play well again and then there goes your only talking point - and youve got nothing to cry about anymore.

 

 

Look, the law of averages state that even a below average QB will have a good game sooner or later its nothing to do with being scared. I just don't see us with a winning future with joe flacco and his contract. I'd be shocked if joe didnt have a good game eventually because even bad QBS can have  a good game here or there. I just dont like how in order for flacco to be good ( not spectacular and his post season 2012 was a fluke as he has never touched that in 10 years) everything needs to be great..we cant afford to have 2 injuries on the O line..we cant afford to have 1 or two injuries in the recieving core..

 

the Very good QBs would have WON all of thosr 4 games we lost btw..flacco was given a so many chances to win those games. A good QB would have won at LEAST 2 of those 4.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Sami84

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Look, the law of averages state that even a below average QB will have a good game sooner or later its nothing to do with being scared. I just don't see us with a winning future with joe flacco and his contract. I'd be shocked if joe didnt have a good game eventually because even bad QBS can have  a good game here or there. I just dont like how in order for flacco to be good ( not spectacular and his post season 2012 was a fluke as he has never touched that in 10 years) everything needs to be great..we cant afford to have 2 injuries on the O line..we cant afford to have 1 or two injuries in the recieving core..

 

the good QBs would have WON all of thosr 4 games we lost btw..flacco was given a so many chances to win those games. A good QB would have won at LEAST 2 of those 4.

Flacco doesnt need greatness, come on. 

Youre really calling Boldin, Torrey, and Jacoby great? Oher, McKinney great? 

BUT he does need adequate. Just like every QB. 

Rodgers struggled mightily last year with Cobb, Adams, Montgomery, etc... I think most would rank them above our guys. He didnt have Jordy - a guy the likes of which we've never had.

Cpl years ago, everyone was hailing the demise of Brady.... bc Edelman was injured, Amendola was brand new and banged up, Gronk was out... and the a couple vet pieces from the OL were moved in trades. He had Dobson, and whoever else.... and they lost 3 of 5 or something like that. Then, the OL played together a while, Edelman and Gronk came back, and playoff bound they were.

Palmer - great last year. OL's not playing well, defense came back down to earth a bit.... and hes struggling. Cam doesnt have the greatest defense ever now, better weapons than us... and hes back to earth. Stafford, a career erratic guy... their OL now has been together a while, they go out and get Marvin Jones to compliment Tate, along with a run game, and hes lights out.

Atl - get a complimentary receiver to go with Julio, decent TE and solid OL and boom... Matty Ice is back after years of terrible play.

 

Its not magic. It was guys struggling due to similar situations we currently have. Make similar improvements and viola! And if not, you win and in 3 years youll have your change.

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Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Flacco doesnt need greatness, come on. 

Youre really calling Boldin, Torrey, and Jacoby great? Oher, McKinney great? 

BUT he does need adequate. Just like every QB. 

Rodgers struggled mightily last year with Cobb, Adams, Montgomery, etc... I think most would rank them above our guys. He didnt have Jordy - a guy the likes of which we've never had.

Cpl years ago, everyone was hailing the demise of Brady.... bc Edelman was injured, Amendola was brand new and banged up, Gronk was out... and the a couple vet pieces from the OL were moved in trades. He had Dobson, and whoever else.... and they lost 3 of 5 or something like that. Then, the OL played together a while, Edelman and Gronk came back, and playoff bound they were.

Palmer - great last year. OL's not playing well, defense came back down to earth a bit.... and hes struggling. Cam doesnt have the greatest defense ever now, better weapons than us... and hes back to earth. Stafford, a career erratic guy... their OL now has been together a while, they go out and get Marvin Jones to compliment Tate, along with a run game, and hes lights out.

Atl - get a complimentary receiver to go with Julio, decent TE and solid OL and boom... Matty Ice is back after years of terrible play.

 

Its not magic. It was guys struggling due to similar situations we currently have. Make similar improvements and viola! And if not, you win and in 3 years youll have your change.

 

Honest question. our last 4 games..would we have won or lost with the above mentioned QB's? 

i can assure you of 1 thing, we wouldn't have lost ALL 4.