Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[PurpleHorseman]

On 11/2/2016 at 1:01 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

He didn't have nor need an elite OL to be solid for most of his career, so no reason that has to be the case now.

But didn't he play his best when the OL dominated in the playoffs?

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

But didn't he play his best when the OL dominated in the playoffs?

Yes, and?

 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, and?

 

Dont you know, a qb is only allowed to receive credit when they developed their own wrs, terrible oline, no run game and cured cancer. 

[RayRayRaven]

5 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

But didn't he play his best when the OL dominated in the playoffs?

yah he needs things pretty well set up for him.  Flacco has never been a takeoverthegame type of qb.  He's a team guy, not a star

[PurpleHorseman]

On 11/2/2016 at 1:01 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

He didn't have nor need an elite OL to be solid for most of his career, so no reason that has to be the case now.

But didn't he play his best when the OL dominated in the playoffs?

 

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, and?

 

Joe's continued success....

And is it conceivable that if we build him a great OL, he will play at a top5 QB level? And his WRs will only need to be good, not great. For him to play great? His WRs during the championship year were good but not freakishly good. Maybe that is all he needs to be an upper echelon QB. 

Something that gets forgotten about Joe is his release,smooth fluid throwing motion, and top shelf accuracy. When given a clean pocket he throws as accurate a football as any QB in the NFL. He doesn't need Julio Jones or Beckham. So wouldn't it be beneficial to Flacco and the team to make the OL the top priority. With a consistently clean pocket Joe is as good as Roethlisberger,Rivers,Ryan. Where those QBs are better than Flacco is their command of the offense and operate a little faster and more efficient than Joe. Throwing alone, Joe Flacco is as good as any.

History shows  that QBs with a strong and very accurate arm but mediocre in their command. Can play at a franchise QB level if protected in a clean pocket. Mark Rypien played great behind an online where he was tied for least sacked QB ever. And won a SuperBowl while winning MVP and a candidate for league MVP. The following year when there were multiple injuries along the OL with some of the hogs beginning to show their age he was a different QB. He was mediocre at best. Our own Elvis Grbac was one of the most prolific QBs with the chiefs behind a great OL that displayed 3 hof candidates. Ravens RT position was erratic and even terrible and he struggled with the ravens. Then a year later Trent Green a career journeyman known for a good accurate arm. Settled in with the chiefs behind that same OL and morphed into one of the most prolific and efficient QBs in the league. And our own Priest Holmes a smart runner that could follow blocks. Shined behind that same OL.

So to get playoff Joe in weeks 1-17 should we make the OL the top priority? Is that the best route to take? He played his best when the OL dominates. McKinnie was motivated and the ravens guard tandem was the best in the NFL. The center was a smart perennial pro bowler that was still effective. Joe Flacco was comfortable and it showed. He was the best QB in the playoffs that year. And I think with a dominant OL it is reasonable to say Joe Flacco will play that well all   season.

[RaRaRavens]

18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

 

And this is where the lack of NFL knowledge catches up with you two...

1. For starters, his cap hit wouldn't go with him if he were to be traded. Only the salary portion of it would. The rest would remain with us (which, ignoring the fact that players have his caliber don't get traded, is another reason why he wouldn't get traded).

If he were to be traded to another team, his cap hits for that team for the next 5 years would be as follows:

2017 - $6M (a gigantic bargain by any possible standard)

2018 - $12M (a gigantic bargain by any possible standard)

2019 - $18.5M

2020 - $20.25M

2021 - $24.25M

So for the next two seasons at least, he would be playing at way, way, way less than market value. It wouldn't be until almost 2020 when his cap hit would be probably reaching market value at that time.

2. The irony of saying "I don't know who would want him" shows how completely tone deaf some fans are to what other teams in the league are doing and what other QBs in the league get paid.

Thanks for educating me on the trade part! Really, good to know that.

 

With your second point, however, I do not agree at all. "What other teams in the league are doing and what other QBs in the league get paid" can spin both ways. Since I'm not into bashing and trash talking on these boards and looking for real discussions, let me explain my opinion shortly.

 

We all know Flacco can be elite, IF he has solid pass protection. I think that's even not an argument. However, when the O-line starts to leak, Flacco completely freezes, starts making poor decisions or just flops and tosses the ball away. Even this is understandable, most QBs would probably be doing the same in similar situations. But when we start considering what he is getting paid, this is where my issue with Flacco starts.

 

Flacco is the 4th highest paid QB in the league, but he is playing like garbage. Yes, he's O-line sucks bllz, but he's not the only QB who has bad O-line. In fact, he's only tied to 15th most sacked QB thus far. Luck has hands down the worst pass protection in the league and he's been sacked TWO TIMES more than Flacco, but Lucks QBR is 96,2 compared to Flaccos 75,4. But yeah-yeah, I know, Luck is also the highest paid QB. But to throw in couple more QBs who get their butt handed to them every Sunday: Rivers, Dalton and Ryan are all having it worse than Flacco, they all are getting paid less than Flacco, yet their QBRs are 20-40 points higher than Flacco's.  Sure, Bengals have AJ and Falcons have Jones who save their QB from time to time, but Rivers has arguably worse weapons than Flacco, still he's getting it done most Sundays.

 

The bottom line for me is, for the money Flacco gets, he should be able to carry this team, with or without top notch pass protection. Most QBs who get paid the way Flacco does, are able to do it. Now sure, if Flacco is not the type of QB, it should be up to the organization to protect their investment and put him in position where he can play on top level. But this is where we land in a fork - they can't afford best O-linemen like KO, inter alia because of Flacco's cap hit.

 

I just wish that Flacco would understand, that he is not capable of playing at a adequate level without killer O-line and to afford such line, take a reasonable pay cut. Sure, he's earned  the money by bringing us a Lombardi trophy, but if he would be willing to take a few mil less, he would be a better player and most likely play for a longer time, cause he wouldn't be beat up all the time, thus making more in the long run. Win-win for everybody. 

[Maryland]

4 minutes ago, RaRaRavens said:

Flacco is the 4th highest paid QB in the league, but he is playing like garbage. Yes, he's O-line sucks bllz, but he's not the only QB who has bad O-line. In fact, he's only tied to 15th most sacked QB thus far. Luck has hands down the worst pass protection in the league and he's been sacked TWO TIMES more than Flacco, but Lucks QBR is 96,2 compared to Flaccos 75,4. But yeah-yeah, I know, Luck is also the highest paid QB. But to throw in couple more QBs who get their butt handed to them every Sunday: Rivers, Dalton and Ryan are all having it worse than Flacco, they all are getting paid less than Flacco, yet their QBRs are 20-40 points higher than Flacco's.  Sure, Bengals have AJ and Falcons have Jones who save their QB from time to time, but Rivers has arguably worse weapons than Flacco, still he's getting it done most Sundays.

Looking at sacks alone is not really useful for understanding how well the OL performs. You should also look at what the OL does in the run-game, as this sets up play-action; time to throw; and total pressures (hurries, hits, sacks). QBs can avoid sacks by throwing the ball away, which may conceal how poorly the OL is pass-protecting if you're only looking at sacks. Conversely, having a QB who takes a lot of unnecessary sacks can amplify this number. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Thanks for educating me on the trade part! Really, good to know that.

 

With your second point, however, I do not agree at all. "What other teams in the league are doing and what other QBs in the league get paid" can spin both ways. Since I'm not into bashing and trash talking on these boards and looking for real discussions, let me explain my opinion shortly.

 

We all know Flacco can be elite, IF he has solid pass protection. I think that's even not an argument. However, when the O-line starts to leak, Flacco completely freezes, starts making poor decisions or just flops and tosses the ball away. Even this is understandable, most QBs would probably be doing the same in similar situations. But when we start considering what he is getting paid, this is where my issue with Flacco starts.

 

Flacco is the 4th highest paid QB in the league, but he is playing like garbage. Yes, he's O-line sucks bllz, but he's not the only QB who has bad O-line. In fact, he's only tied to 15th most sacked QB thus far. Luck has hands down the worst pass protection in the league and he's been sacked TWO TIMES more than Flacco, but Lucks QBR is 96,2 compared to Flaccos 75,4. But yeah-yeah, I know, Luck is also the highest paid QB. But to throw in couple more QBs who get their butt handed to them every Sunday: Rivers, Dalton and Ryan are all having it worse than Flacco, they all are getting paid less than Flacco, yet their QBRs are 20-40 points higher than Flacco's.  Sure, Bengals have AJ and Falcons have Jones who save their QB from time to time, but Rivers has arguably worse weapons than Flacco, still he's getting it done most Sundays.

 

The bottom line for me is, for the money Flacco gets, he should be able to carry this team, with or without top notch pass protection. Most QBs who get paid the way Flacco does, are able to do it. Now sure, if Flacco is not the type of QB, it should be up to the organization to protect their investment and put him in position where he can play on top level. But this is where we land in a fork - they can't afford best O-linemen like KO, inter alia because of Flacco's cap hit.

 

I just wish that Flacco would understand, that he is not capable of playing at a adequate level without killer O-line and to afford such line, take a reasonable pay cut. Sure, he's earned  the money by bringing us a Lombardi trophy, but if he would be willing to take a few mil less, he would be a better player and most likely play for a longer time, cause he wouldn't be beat up all the time, thus making more in the long run. Win-win for everybody. 

1. I don't care about QBR. It means nothing. Its a useless stat ESPN created to try to make themselves seem smart. You have no earthly idea where they even come up with the calculation for it, or what it means. Horrific way to measure anybody.

2. 4th highest paid QB in the league based on what? Average annual value? A metric that incorporates large sums of money that the player will likely never make? Does that sound like a good metric to use for a narrative?

If you were to look at guaranteed money, the amount the team is actually committed to pay him, he's not even top 10. In fact, he has less guaranteed money on his deal than Tannehill, Alex Smith, Romo and Cutler. 

3. There isn't a single QB in the league that "carries his team". Not one. Not Aaron Rodgers, not Tom Brady, nobody. There's countless examples of great QBs who struggle heavily when their offensive line fails, when their "weapons" aren't available or playing poorly, etc., and there are no exceptions to that rule.

There are QBs who play better more frequently (obviously), which is the differences between those types and Joe. But none of them are winning SBs without significant production from other areas... Tom Brady especially.

4. The pay cut argument never works. For starters, it implies that the QB or the highest paid guy is the only guy who should be taking a paycut, which is not even remotely true on this team. There's at least a half dozen guys on this team who could have their pay slashed significantly to match their perceived production that could afford us to pay other players, and that's excluding Joe.

Plus the reality is that in order to pay like $12M a year to keep KO, you need a lot more than just "Joe taking a few million less". Joe slashing his salary by $2-3M wasn't keeping KO around, nor does keeping KO around fix our offensive line issues. KO doesn't keep the other offensive lineman healthy and he also doesn't play Center.

You can build quality offensive lines without paying top dollar for them. Many teams in the league do this annually. You can have 1-2 market paid offensive lineman and the rest can be on rookie deals who are performing well, which is what we are attempting to do now. 

And its not a "win/win" for everybody, because it doesn't remotely guaranteed anything you said will happen. What happens when we pay KO $12M to play and then he gets hurt (which he will, because all football players do)... who's winning then? Its not Joe, because he took a paycut that he's getting no benefit out of AND he's still on his butt every game because KO is only one of five offensive lineman out there.

[Sami84]

On 11/2/2016 at 6:59 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. I don't care about QBR. It means nothing. Its a useless stat ESPN created to try to make themselves seem smart. You have no earthly idea where they even come up with the calculation for it, or what it means. Horrific way to measure anybody.

2. 4th highest paid QB in the league based on what? Average annual value? A metric that incorporates large sums of money that the player will likely never make? Does that sound like a good metric to use for a narrative?

If you were to look at guaranteed money, the amount the team is actually committed to pay him, he's not even top 10. In fact, he has less guaranteed money on his deal than Tannehill, Alex Smith, Romo and Cutler. 

3. There isn't a single QB in the league that "carries his team". Not one. Not Aaron Rodgers, not Tom Brady, nobody. There's countless examples of great QBs who struggle heavily when their offensive line fails, when their "weapons" aren't available or playing poorly, etc., and there are no exceptions to that rule.

There are QBs who play better more frequently (obviously), which is the differences between those types and Joe. But none of them are winning SBs without significant production from other areas... Tom Brady especially.

4. The pay cut argument never works. For starters, it implies that the QB or the highest paid guy is the only guy who should be taking a paycut, which is not even remotely true on this team. There's at least a half dozen guys on this team who could have their pay slashed significantly to match their perceived production that could afford us to pay other players, and that's excluding Joe.

Plus the reality is that in order to pay like $12M a year to keep KO, you need a lot more than just "Joe taking a few million less". Joe slashing his salary by $2-3M wasn't keeping KO around, nor does keeping KO around fix our offensive line issues. KO doesn't keep the other offensive lineman healthy and he also doesn't play Center.

You can build quality offensive lines without paying top dollar for them. Many teams in the league do this annually. You can have 1-2 market paid offensive lineman and the rest can be on rookie deals who are performing well, which is what we are attempting to do now. 

And its not a "win/win" for everybody, because it doesn't remotely guaranteed anything you said will happen. What happens when we pay KO $12M to play and then he gets hurt (which he will, because all football players do)... who's winning then? Its not Joe, because he took a paycut that he's getting no benefit out of AND he's still on his butt every game because KO is only one of five offensive lineman out there.

 

 

Okay Joe Linta, you can come out now.

 

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

 

Okay Joe Linta, you can come out now.

 

I know this whole "being educated" thing is sort of a fad/trend these days, but some of you should really try it sometime. It has tons of benefits and very few drawbacks.

[Sami84]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I know this whole "being educated" thing is sort of a fad/trend these days, but some of you should really try it sometime. It has tons of benefits and very few drawbacks.

 

alright joe.

[mg90]

33 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I know this whole "being educated" thing is sort of a fad/trend these days, but some of you should really try it sometime. It has tons of benefits and very few drawbacks.

I tend to agree with most of your arguments. While it would be nice to get Joe at a bargain, that goes for all players on the team.  All QBs who are anyone at all nowadays will get just about what he gets so as long as other teams are doomed in the same way (decent QBs getting huge contracts) a paycut on Joe specifically is not what I want to see.

 

But if we could get the entire roster to take a 20% paycut that would be sweet.  Why can't the entire roster think about the benefits that could bring?  /sarcasm

[Deflated Football]

Flacco is getting paid more than the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Rivers and Newton and looks like a rookie out there. I don't know what veteran QB still throws off his back foot more often than not. 

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

Flacco is getting paid more than the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Rivers and Newton and looks like a rookie out there. I don't know what veteran QB still throws off his back foot more often than not. 

 

we'll probably give him another 100 million dollar extension in 2 years.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

Thanks for educating me on the trade part! Really, good to know that.

 

With your second point, however, I do not agree at all. "What other teams in the league are doing and what other QBs in the league get paid" can spin both ways. Since I'm not into bashing and trash talking on these boards and looking for real discussions, let me explain my opinion shortly.

 

We all know Flacco can be elite, IF he has solid pass protection. I think that's even not an argument. However, when the O-line starts to leak, Flacco completely freezes, starts making poor decisions or just flops and tosses the ball away. Even this is understandable, most QBs would probably be doing the same in similar situations. But when we start considering what he is getting paid, this is where my issue with Flacco starts.

 

Flacco is the 4th highest paid QB in the league, but he is playing like garbage. Yes, he's O-line sucks bllz, but he's not the only QB who has bad O-line. In fact, he's only tied to 15th most sacked QB thus far. Luck has hands down the worst pass protection in the league and he's been sacked TWO TIMES more than Flacco, but Lucks QBR is 96,2 compared to Flaccos 75,4. But yeah-yeah, I know, Luck is also the highest paid QB. But to throw in couple more QBs who get their butt handed to them every Sunday: Rivers, Dalton and Ryan are all having it worse than Flacco, they all are getting paid less than Flacco, yet their QBRs are 20-40 points higher than Flacco's.  Sure, Bengals have AJ and Falcons have Jones who save their QB from time to time, but Rivers has arguably worse weapons than Flacco, still he's getting it done most Sundays.

 

The bottom line for me is, for the money Flacco gets, he should be able to carry this team, with or without top notch pass protection. Most QBs who get paid the way Flacco does, are able to do it. Now sure, if Flacco is not the type of QB, it should be up to the organization to protect their investment and put him in position where he can play on top level. But this is where we land in a fork - they can't afford best O-linemen like KO, inter alia because of Flacco's cap hit.

 

I just wish that Flacco would understand, that he is not capable of playing at a adequate level without killer O-line and to afford such line, take a reasonable pay cut. Sure, he's earned  the money by bringing us a Lombardi trophy, but if he would be willing to take a few mil less, he would be a better player and most likely play for a longer time, cause he wouldn't be beat up all the time, thus making more in the long run. Win-win for everybody. 

Brock Osweiler, Sam Bradford, and Kirk Cousins all make near Joe Flacco money.

In the trade scenario, Flacco would be making half of what those guys make for 3 years. In year 3, he'd still only be making Ryan Fitzpatrick money. Are you telling me that teams expect those 4 guys to dominate?

We signed Flacco to a contract that looked huge at the time, knowing that in a year or 2 any replacement level, starting QB in the league would be making comparable money. Guaranteed Kirk Cousins will make Joe Flaccoish money. Will Kirk Cousins be expected to carry his team by himself?

Are you suggesting that if the Jets could dump Fitzpatrick right now, trade for Joe and pay Joe less than what Fitz is making right now for the next 2-3 years they wouldnt do it in heartbeat? Are you suggesting that if Washington could hand Cousin a boat load of money this coming offseason or trade for Flacco and get 3 years out of him at less than half of what they're going to pay Cousins, and the 4th and 5th years at around what they'd be paying Cousins in his 1st year - that they wouldnt do it?

Are you suggesting that if this past offseason Houston could have traded for Flacco and paid him less than what they gave to Osweiler, they wouldnt do that? That the Vikings wouldnt have given up a 1st rd draft pick for Flacco instead of doing the same for Bradford when the 2 make very comparable money, and would have Joe locked up for 4-5 years at what Bradford is making now?

 

The whole "carrying the team" argument is just false and outlandish fan expectation. No QB does it. Luck is one of the most talented QBs to come out ever. Cant carry a team by himself. Everyone likes to pretend that Brady does it, but hes got one of the best offensive systems ever, but even then when his OL has been in shambles and Edelman and Gronk were injured he struggled until they came back. 

Aaron Rodgers, arguably the best QB in the game, with a very good OL, a legit #1 receiver and a slew of complimentary weapons, has struggled the past 2 years since the run game has seriously regressed.

Big Ben puts up numbers, it helps to have the best receiver in the game, but the past few years when Bell has been out the Steelers have not been good.

 

All make big money. None are serious contenders without the pieces they have around them. 

 

Every team in the league, save the ones with an elite QB or up and coming, recently drafted QB who's shown a lot of promise would take Flacco in a trade in heart beat - especially for what his cap hit would be to them after we eat the guarantees. Cle, KC, Minn, Chi, Mia, NYJ, Wash, SF, LA, Hou, Den and Jax would all take Flacco right now.

NYG, NO, and Ari would probably have a long and hard thought about it. And, if Brady declines in a year or 2 in his 40's, I bet NE would have a long and hard thought if Flacco were available via trade or FA before dipping back in the draft (since Garappalo is likely gone in FA).

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Flacco is getting paid more than the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Rivers and Newton and looks like a rookie out there. I don't know what veteran QB still throws off his back foot more often than not. 

So, Rodgers is already struggling the past 2 years with his current OL and receivers.... but you think he'd thrive here? Big Ben cant stay healthy behind his current OL which costs them games every year, but you think he'd be healthy enough games to make us a contender behind our current turnstile? 

Rivers always puts up #'s but hasnt made the playoffs in how long, and when he used to could never win a game... btw with very similar OL and weapons to what we've had (although when he was actually winning games he had Gates, VJax, Sproles and Tomlinson to go with a very good D).

And surprise, surprise. When Newton doesnt have the leagues top D on the other side of him, they dont win. 15-1 to barely winning a game in a year. Thats the guy im hitching my wagon to for sure (comparable OLs, whining about the hits he currently takes when Joe gets pummeled way more and doesnt complain, and Benjamin/Olsen are way better than what we have here as weapons, plus Stewart who's an elite back).

And Joe is making more than those guys based on what? Current cap hit, or annual average? Bc comparing annual averages is as stupid as seeing who's taller between one person barefoot and another in platform shoes.

 

I get it. Joes not playing well. No ones happy about it. But the contract talk is so tired and stupid. You wanna save a couple bucks and go with Brock Osweiler?? Have at it.

I'll stick with the guy who I know I can win with when our team is actually healthy. I love how everyone is judging the past 4 games like it's the actual team that was built and planned going into the season. No team does well when 5 of your top 7 players are out.

Edited November 4, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[flynismo]

13 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Dont you know, a qb is only allowed to receive credit when they developed their own wrs, terrible oline, no run game and cured cancer. 

I meant this as a joke, but judging by some of the people here, I have to wonder....if Flacco cured cancer, how many people here will complain about that too? "He's overpaid, the vet down the street only makes $50k / year", "yeah well he only did it because he needed elite computers and software to help him out. They're the real heroes." "Doesn't mean anything, he collaborated with other scientists, it's a team sport." "Yeah, but this morning, he dropped and broke a beaker on the floor after an intern bumped into him. Fire him."  Etc etc etc ad nauseaum

Edited November 4, 2016 by flynismo

[rmcjacket23]

59 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Flacco is getting paid more than the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Rivers and Newton and looks like a rookie out there. I don't know what veteran QB still throws off his back foot more often than not. 

Two of the guys you listed do that quite frequently. Cam especially.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Tough Talk meets Real Talk:

Just curious. What would it take for Flacco critics to be satisfied with his play, salary, stats, etc.?  I mean really...what are your real expectations? 

1. How many touchdowns this season?:
2. How many passing yards this season?:
3. How many interceptions this season?:
4. How high of a QBR this season?:
5. How much is a fair price for him once he meets your personal standards?:
6. How highly ranked by the end of the season?: Currently 14th

Fill in the blanks. It can only bring more levity to the conversation. I'm just curious.

Edited November 4, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
real expectations

[Deflated Football]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Two of the guys you listed do that quite frequently. Cam especially.

At least they're accurate when they do it and don't overthrow their WR's for a pick. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

At least they're accurate when they do it and don't overthrow their WR's for a pick. 

Pretty evident by this statement that you've never watched most of those QBs play before.

[Deflated Football]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Pretty evident by this statement that you've never watched most of those QBs play before.

Lol, whatever you say homer. I'm a huge fan of Rodgers and Cam and I watch all their highlights, same with Rivers since I live on the west coast and San Diego is on quite often in my market. Plus we see the Steelers twice a year, so think before you type. 

Edited November 4, 2016 by Deflated Football

[Deflated Football]

I like Flacco and will forever be grateful that he led us to the Super Bowl (which was NOT a fluke by the way), but that was four seasons ago. He's looked lost these last two seasons, and let's not act like he was a superstar throughout his career. Let's get the offensive line back intact and have him build more chemistry with his weapons, but IN MY OPINION, I'm not sure he'll ever be 2012 Joe Flacco again because his mechanics are off and he's making god-awful throws and decisions. Time will tell. 

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Lol, whatever you say homer 

You're right, Newton doesn't even need that excuse. He can step into a pass and still throw a pick six into coverage to a guy 15 feet in front of his face.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000228423/Cam-Newton-throws-pick-six

Edited November 4, 2016 by flynismo

[Deflated Football]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

You're right, Newton doesn't even need that excuse. He can step into a pass and still throw a pick six into coverage to a guy 15 feet in front of his face.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000228423/Cam-Newton-throws-pick-six

What QB hasn't done that? At least he's one hell of a dual threat QB that won MVP last season. Try again homer. Hell, I've seen Montana do that quite a few times in his career as well.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Deflated Football

[flynismo]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

What QB hasn't done that? At least he's one hell of a dual threat QB that won MVP last season. Try again homer. 

LOL

[Deflated Football]

Just now, flynismo said:

LOL

That's what I thought

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Deflated Football said:

That's what I thought

What did you think exactly? You think I have no response, or do you think I am laughing at your "brilliant" response and borderline hypocritical argument?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Lol, whatever you say homer. I'm a huge fan of Rodgers and Cam and I watch all their highlights, same with Rivers since I live on the west coast and San Diego is on quite often in my market. Plus we see the Steelers twice a year, so think before you type. 

lol so you think they're going to show the BAD plays in their HIGHLIGHTS????

Ironic.... the whole "thinking before typing" bit.

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

What did you think exactly? You think I have no response, or do you think I am laughing at your "brilliant" response and borderline hypocritical argument?

I have to go get LASIK right now bro. We'll continue this later. Love you