Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Ah okay so you're saying to embrace the crap and make no changes because we won 4 years ago.

Sounds like a plan 

LOL, nice try.

I've already said the changes that I expect to happen multiple times now. You know what I didn't do though? Say that we were going to make all these acquisitions and cuts in a single offseason because you personally can't stand losing. 

Its called being realistic. Its called understanding that if you're looking to significantly upgrade a half dozen positions, rebuild an offensive line, and get youth at key positions, that's a significant MULTI YEAR plan. You're not going to get your way in a single offseason, and maybe not within even two offseasons. 

You want an offensive line with all 1st and 2nd round picks? That's the next two drafts. You want a dominant pass rusher? Most of them require first round picks or high draft picks, and you just spent our next two drafts of those on offensive lineman. You want better corners around Jimmy? Guess what... they don't grow on trees. Get ready to pony up more draft picks for those. How about that high quality WR target for Joe to throw to? Wouldn't that be fun? Where do you think those guys come from?

Congrats, you just unknowingly advocated like a 5 year plan. That's on YOU to determine whether you can handle that or not. The FO likely has no choice in whether they can handle it or not, because that's just how the business of the NFL works.

Edited November 2, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And yet, the exact opposite of these things will happen.

I'd say at least 60% of our offensive line is set in stone for next year already, and I don't see that changing.

The defense could realistically use talent upgrades at many positions, and that's where I think the focus is going to be. Pass rusher and corner specifically.

60% should be set in stone. Yanda, Stanley and Lewis all should be starters next year. So I have no problem with that. We could use a better C and an upgrade at LG.

Most teams could use talent upgrades in many places... but its all connected. If the offense improves, sustains drives and scores TDs when in the red zone... the D improves. Opposing offenses dont get into rhythm as much, we're more rested, and playing with a lead its easier to get after QBs and take chances on the back end.

 

I dont know what the formula for success is. I trust our guys to figure it out, well because believing any different would drive me insane. I like this team too much... but, my only point is its unrealistic and unfair to say Flacco cant be better or lead this team, when he hasnt been given the resources to do so. Any success hes had thus far has been bc of him overcoming obstacles and bad situations, not because of the good situations hes been put in.

 

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, nice try.

I've already said the changes that I expect to happen multiple times now. You know what I didn't do though? Say that we were going to make all these acquisitions and cuts in a single offseason because you personally can't stand losing. 

Its called being realistic. Its called understanding that if you're looking to significantly upgrade a half dozen positions, rebuild an offensive line, and get youth at key positions, that's a significant MULTI YEAR plan. You're not going to get your way in a single offseason, and maybe not within even two offseasons. 

You want an offensive line with all 1st and 2nd round picks? That's the next two drafts. You want a dominant pass rusher? Most of them require first round picks or high draft picks, and you just spent our next two drafts of those on offensive lineman. You want better corners around Jimmy? Guess what... they don't grow on trees. Get ready to pony up more draft picks for those. How about that high quality WR target for Joe to throw to? Wouldn't that be fun? Where do you think those guys come from?

Congrats, you just unknowingly advocated like a 5 year plan. That's on YOU to determine whether you can handle that or not. The FO likely has no choice in whether they can handle it or not, because that's just how the business of the NFL works.

 

FA counts if you can't draft..

So tell me about our cap space for the next few years ..

The draft is NO sure thing..we should know that as we've drafted poorly over the years.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

60% should be set in stone. Yanda, Stanley and Lewis all should be starters next year. So I have no problem with that. We could use a better C and an upgrade at LG.

Most teams could use talent upgrades in many places... but its all connected. If the offense improves, sustains drives and scores TDs when in the red zone... the D improves. Opposing offenses dont get into rhythm as much, we're more rested, and playing with a lead its easier to get after QBs and take chances on the back end.

 

I dont know what the formula for success is. I trust our guys to figure it out, well because believing any different would drive me insane. I like this team too much... but, my only point is its unrealistic and unfair to say Flacco cant be better or lead this team, when he hasnt been given the resources to do so. Any success hes had thus far has been bc of him overcoming obstacles and bad situations, not because of the good situations hes been put in.

 

I agree with you, but I'm mostly pointing out the fact that the unit that I see that is most likely to be "rebuilt" and have a talent/youth infusion, its the defense.

We are young at TE, we are young at RB, and our QB is locked in. That leaves WR and OL. Two offensive lineman and probably one additional receiver, and that's the max changes I see to this offense. Perriman is here, Moore is here, Aiken can be resigned, and we can keep Wallace as the veteran. Even if fans don't like guys like Moore or Perriman, the FO very clearly isn't throwing in the towel on them anytime soon.

On defense, completely different story. Like our inside linebackers, like our defensive line. Pass rushers are atrocious on this team right now. The good one's are older and hurt constantly, and the young one's aren't showing much right now. You might need 2-3 more bodies there. At safety, we like Weddle, but he's aging, and Webb is a wildcard. Some people like him, some people don't. I think he's average and plays a position we could be better at.

Same thing at Corner. Can never have enough, and depth there still appears to be an issue.

So while I agree that this defense is good enough to be a playoff and maybe even SB caliber defense, its also a unit where I could see us needing to add 4-6 players to in order to upgrade. The offense, from where I'm sitting, is pretty much at just like 2-3 players, despite being a significantly weaker unit.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Sami84 said:

FA counts if you can't draft..

So tell me about our cap space for the next few years ..

The draft is NO sure thing..we should know that as we've drafted poorly over the years.

We won't know. I think it looks good, but historically no team in the league does very well paying top tier for quality players in FA, and I see no reason to do so now.

If fans decide they get attached to retaining some of our own players, like a Jernigan/Mosley, etc., they will be costly.

FA can oftentimes be just as big of a crap shoot. That's the point. There is NOTHING that is a sure thing. We could bring Von Miller in and he's no sure thing to dominate.

Teams like the Giants tried to buy half a defense this season, and they're not much better off than they were before. Happens every year.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

FA counts if you can't draft..

So tell me about our cap space for the next few years ..

The draft is NO sure thing..we should know that as we've drafted poorly over the years.

We should have plenty of cap space next year, especially if we decide to cut loose certain guys.

But, if you want a pass rusher and CB in FA, be prepared to pay just those 2 guys more than Joe's making currently... and commit to them for 5 years. And if they dont pan out, we've set ourselves back another 5 years where we're cap tied.

Thats why the good teams tend to live and die by the draft and pay their own. If youre gonna tie yourself to a guy for 5 years, best to know he works and plays well in your environment... 

Yes, taht way having a couple bad drafts can hurt you just as well... but a bad draft can be overcome by a good one. A bad FA period can take years to work out of.

[BmoreBird22]

41 minutes ago, AsianRice said:

The O-LINE!!

 

As soon as their OT starters going down, their team going down.  When their offense couldn't move the ball, their defense got exposed and beat.

This isn't totally true. Both starters played about three games and even when they played, Bradford was one of the most pressured QBs in the NFL.

[MTRavensFan]

54 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

until he shows otherwise im not spamming. Spamming is when there is no substance. There are a LOT of ravens fans on the same boat regarding flacco. The RSF forum in particular have lost patience with him and see him for who he really is. He might have some fans here but call me crazy i want better for this franchise. I wont stoop to the fear of cleveland and kyle boller. I want a REAL deal QB..someone who  i know is going to bring it more often than not..someone who CARES about this team. I'll say it..i dont think flacco cares about this franchise. I've seen his demeanor when we are losing..smirking and chuckling on the bench when losing and hes playing bad...

I'll be completely honest, I don't like him as a QB and he wouldn't be my QB.

No, spamming is the repetition of the same thought over and over and over and over throughout multiple threads, while adding nothing meaningful to the conversation.

We get it. We know how you feel. It doesn't matter how many times you say we need to get rid of Flacco, most people on here acknowledge that's not going to happen, so you constantly beating that horse amounts to nothing but unconstructive whining.

Also, to expect a 4th round rookie (Lewis) to walk into the LT position without a few hiccups in the road is unreasonable, at best. But, please. Carry on.

[Sami84]

46 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

23 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

No, spamming is the repetition of the same thought over and over and over and over throughout multiple threads, while adding nothing meaningful to the conversation.

We get it. We know how you feel. It doesn't matter how many times you say we need to get rid of Flacco, most people on here acknowledge that's not going to happen, so you constantly beating that horse amounts to nothing but unconstructive whining.

Also, to expect a 4th round rookie (Lewis) to walk into the LT position without a few hiccups in the road is unreasonable, at best. But, please. Carry on.

 

 

 

If this team needs an elite offensive line for flacco to be ''solid' then alex lewis cannot be involved at all, be it LG or LT.

 

Edited November 2, 2016 by Sami84

[MTRavensFan]

4 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

If this team needs an elite offensive line for flacco to be ''solid' then alex lewis cannot be involved at all, be it LG or LT.

 

Nobody said elite but you. Just better. Average/solid would be nice. Lewis has been fine at LG.

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

If this team needs an elite offensive line for flacco to be ''solid' then alex lewis cannot be involved at all, be it LG or LT.

 

He didn't have nor need an elite OL to be solid for most of his career, so no reason that has to be the case now.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Of all the flacco threads over the years, in spite of this one actually starting off being well intentioned, this by far has to be the most unreadable. 

 

People, stop feeding him. He preaches the same damn agenda in every thread and thinks he's better than everyone in everything. There's no point in talking to him. 

 

Flacco hasn't been good this season and this is coming from a fan of his, but if you seriously think getting rid of him is the answer than I want whatever you are smoking. And if you think he needs an "elite" oline or "elite WRS" then you have no idea what you are talking about. The oline and WR corps were NOT elite. They had good players, and were overall good units, but to say that they bailed him out constantly is freaking asinine. 

 

Honestly, I'm getting sick and tired of these spoiled fans. None of you on this forum are better than Ozzie, and none of you will EVER have a freaking impact on this team. I'm really freaking glad the fans have no say, because quite frankly we'd run this team into the ground. We'd be the freaking Redskins year in and year out. 

 

News flash. 

1. Flacco ain't going anywhere.. Deal with it. 

2. Even with a large contract it's possible to build a team around him. Because

A) Look at the cowboys and Romo. That's a pretty solid team that was plagued with injuries and he has a gigantic contract. 

b.) The salary cap has gone up every year since the deal. Will it eventually stop going up? Yes. But it has been. 

C) When has it ever been our style to bring in high profile free agents? Like seriously? This offseason was a rarity where we brought in Weddle. 

3. We actually aren't too far away from building a longterm oline. We need two more pieces tbh, and guards can be found in the middle rounds and we are historically good at drafting them. 

4. FLACCO HASN'T BEEN THE PROBLEM THIS SEASON. It's once again injuries. They've killed us during the losing streak. We actually have good oline depth, but when A LOT of the depth has to play, there's a problem. Not to mention Steve has been hurt, which doesn't help either since Steve still commands the attention of a #1 CB. If you really blame Flacco for all of our losses(I will easily give you NYJ. He was atrocious), than you have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

 

*end rant*

*exit stage left*

[jdynamite]

15 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Had to break up my replies to you because I didn't want one post taking up so much space. 

It's not about being delusional. Flacco has shown his talent over and over again. From his delaware days, he was regarded as a guy who could make any throw on the field and was really accurate as well.....when his mechanics were good. I believe it was Trent Dilfer who said that Flacco was one of the rare QBs he every scouted who had the ability to put the ball on a string because he could place the ball anywhere the field with accuracy. Go back and watch his highlights from 09 and 10 seasons. You'll see Flacco making some of the best throws you ever seen a QB make. You'll notice him often standing tall in the pocket and stepping into his throws more consistently, climbing the pocket to avoid the rush and just dropping dimes. It shouldn't come as a surprise that those where the Hue Jackson and Jim Zorn years. Than after that his mechanics started getting sloppy and his play wasn't as consistent. 

Flacco was entering his prime and it was no surprise to me that he had the type of Super Bowl that he had because I was it for the past 3 season. The problem was, while it should have been consistency and and stability surrounding the QB position, the Ravens made constant change and has never had that type of QB to Coach success that teams like the Pats, Packers and Saints have. I wonder where Joe Flacco would be if he was allowed to actually develop in Kubiak's system for 4 or 5 years instead of getting introduced to the good life only to have it stripped away by more change. 

This pains me dearly! That's why an article on one of these two either Baltimore beatdown or RSR irritated me.  As it pointed out, Harbaugh's lack of a plan when he hired kubiak to begin with. Even if Kubiak didn't get a job after year one, chances of him being here 3+ years was slim.  After Kubiak got snatched away there wasn't a true direction. 

In a lot of those Trestman threads I can be found somewhere saying I blame Kubiak for leaving us 

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

This pains me dearly! That's why an article on one of these two either Baltimore beatdown or RSR irritated me.  As it pointed out, Harbaugh's lack of a plan when he hired kubiak to begin with. Even if Kubiak didn't get a job after year one, chances of him being here 3+ years was slim.  After Kubiak got snatched away there wasn't a true direction. 

In a lot of those Trestman threads I can be found somewhere saying I blame Kubiak for leaving us 

But there's no realistic plan in any scenario. There's pretty much no team who hires a coordinator hoping that they will be just good enough to be good but just bad enough that no team will want to hire them for a HC gig.

Teams knows this going in. If you hire a coordinator, and they perform well, the likelihood of them getting a HC gig within a few years is very high. That's how the entire NFL operates. There's very few coordinators league-wide who are very good coordinators and stay with a team for a long period of time.

You simply can't shy away from hiring quality coaches in this league out of fear that they won't be loyal to you when a better gig becomes available, because practically none of them are. If you did that, you'd likely never have a good coordinator to begin with.

Edited November 2, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[jdynamite]

On 10/24/2016 at 8:28 PM, sflegend89 said:

Joe Flacco: 12th most sacked QB, sacked 14 times, 5 TD's, 6 INT's, 75.4 QBR

Andrew Luck: 1st most sacked QB, sacked 25 times, 14 TD's, 4 INT's, 98.3 QBR

Matt Ryan: Tied for 3rd most sacked QB, sacked 18 times, 16 TD's, 4 INT's, 113.6 QBR

Matthew Stafford: Tied for 3rd most sacked QB, sacked 18 times, 15 TD's, 4 INT's, 105.7 QBR

Philip Rivers: 6th most sacked QB, Sacked 17 times, 13 TD'S, 4 INT's, 102.4 QBR

Facts:

- Joe Flacco has the 29th worst QBR in the NFL 

- Andrew Luck has been sacked NEARLY TWICE as much as Joe Flacco yet is dominating him in every statistical category, Colts have what many feel is worst OL in football

- Only other QB's besides Flacco in entire NFL with negative TD-INT ratio are Case Keenum and Ryan Fitzpatrick

 

Enough excuses for Joe, I'm a long time supporter of his even through rough patches but this is different. This year so far he's not elite... not average... not even below average, he's amongst the very worst starting QB's in the entire NFL. Everything from his mechanics, to his accuracy, to his overall passing stats tell us so. Guys like Rivers have comparable weapons/OL and are blowing him out of the water.

 

I'm kind of being lazy here, but did anyone ever come up with some added stats?  

Knockdowns, hits, hurries? I saw a few people mentioning PFF but I don't have access to that haven't combed through all this lol

[usmccharles]

6 hours ago, Tru11 said:

nah suggesting flacco is just as good as brady, rodgers and brees is legit lol.

only delusional ravens fans would go that far.....

If anyone does that here...you should ignore them

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

While you make great points, why do you feed someone who wont partake in a logical conversation with any ideas of solutions.  Pretty sure he thinks that cutting Joe, using that money to bring in other players is his idea, which isn't going to work in the time he will 'allow'

This thread was a very good read, but its just down right trash now and the people feeding certain posters aren't helping.  Why not just create his own vent thread

Edited November 2, 2016 by usmccharles

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, jdynamite said:

This pains me dearly! That's why an article on one of these two either Baltimore beatdown or RSR irritated me.  As it pointed out, Harbaugh's lack of a plan when he hired kubiak to begin with. Even if Kubiak didn't get a job after year one, chances of him being here 3+ years was slim.  After Kubiak got snatched away there wasn't a true direction. 

In a lot of those Trestman threads I can be found somewhere saying I blame Kubiak for leaving us 

Yea i wanted to see the Ravens hire young somewhere within the offense when Kubes got here. I honestly wanted Kyle Shanny but I thought there should have been an emphasis actually building that system. If Kubes left he shouldn't have been allowed to take his pick of guys with him. They were Ravens coaches not Kubiak coaches. The Ravens were too classy with that move lol. They should have blocked Dennison and allowed him to continue to build that offense with these young players. Hopefully Marty can get the offense humming and a guy like Engram can be groomed as next in line so the system can continue to run. I really like Flacco and this offense in that WCO, but it still has to be run correctly

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

But there's no realistic plan in any scenario. There's pretty much no team who hires a coordinator hoping that they will be just good enough to be good but just bad enough that no team will want to hire them for a HC gig.

Teams knows this going in. If you hire a coordinator, and they perform well, the likelihood of them getting a HC gig within a few years is very high. That's how the entire NFL operates. There's very few coordinators league-wide who are very good coordinators and stay with a team for a long period of time.

You simply can't shy away from hiring quality coaches in this league out of fear that they won't be loyal to you when a better gig becomes available, because practically none of them are. If you did that, you'd likely never have a good coordinator to begin with.

The catch 22 was that Kubiak got the head coaches treatment. He was actually allowed to bring in his own guys to help teach the system. Most OCs just bring their system to the team but not a good amount of their own coaching staff. I think he brought 4 coaches with him and took those coaches with him when he left. Than Harbs made a huge mistake by bringing in Trestman because he just didn't fit what the Ravens want to do. I liked what he could potentially do in the passing game, but I think everyone could see him and the team clashing over the run game. 

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You simply can't shy away from hiring quality coaches in this league out of fear that they won't be loyal to you when a better gig becomes available, because practically none of them are. If you did that, you'd likely never have a good coordinator to begin with.

I'm not sure this is entirely true, but I have to believe part of the appeal to someone like Trestman, over someone like Gase, was the fact that Trestman was unlikely to get another HC gig.

[jazz1988]

On 10/31/2016 at 0:17 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

Thompkins and Dobson aren't even good enough to remain on a roster. Both of those guys were really not good WRs, I don't even think they would amount to anything here. 

Did you see the patchwork of an offensive line Brees had to work with from 2013-2014? 2014 his OL was downright awful and his WRs weren't impressive by any stretch of the imagination. 

Manning had Austin Collie to throw to if I can recall and I don't even know who his TEs were. 

As far as the offensive system goes, you might have a point but what I find interesting is that Joe doesn't think its a big deal himself. He spoke out tons of times saying that its not a big deal and that its not rocket science to learn a playbook. We've been using the same offensive system the last two years and he's having the worst two year stretch of his career. 

Again, only a very select few of guys can actually be given an good group of WRs and allow you to not have to over invest in offensive skill positions. The FO expected Joe to be one of those guys. No one is saying no one needs help, just saying you can't expect Joe to shoulder the load if you want to put out less investments in offensive skill positions.

 

He's probably right that it isn't rocket science to learn a playbook but the player still has to study it which takes time  and then he has to be on the same page with his offensive coordinator especially if we talking about the quarterback which again takes time. John Harbaugh did state that The Ravens would continue to run Gary Kubiak offensive scheme  after Kubiak left but it's tough for a offensive coordinator(Marc Trestman) that wasn't even part of the coaching staff prior to use  a playbook that really isn't his own and try to implement that philosophy just as if Gary Kubiak never left. I think it was a great idea for John Harbaugh to keep the scheme and not totally throw  it away  because he obviously recognize how beneficial it was for the offense in 2014 and Joe Flacco himself had one of his best seasons in that  offense.

 

Not that I think Marc Trestman is a bad offensive coordinator but he just couldn't build off from what Gary Kubiak left behind and he wasn't calling plays consistently that suited Joe Flacco strength. Marty M should have been the offensive coordinator from the start because his offensive style suited what Gary Kubiak likes to do but for some reason John Harbaugh was convinced that  Marc Trestman was the guy. I don't even think Marc Trestman was John Harbaugh ideally pick anyway especially with his pass happy back ground but someone must have convince him that he would be great for the offense especially Joe Flacco .

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Not that I think Marc Trestman is a bad offensive coordinator but he just couldn't build off from what Gary Kubiak left behind and he wasn't calling plays consistently that suited Joe Flacco strength. Marty M should have been the offensive coordinator from the start because his offensive style suited what Gary Kubiak likes to do but for some reason John Harbaugh was convinced that  Marc Trestman was the guy. I don't even think Marc Trestman was John Harbaugh ideally pick anyway especially with his pass happy back ground but someone must have convince him that he would be great for the offense especially Joe Flacco .

This is a great point.  I would of rather promoted from within since Marty was here when Kubiak was and would have a better understand on how to run it.  Its hard to ask someone to take control and run something they even they aren't familiar with.  And what wasn't to like about Trestmans production prior with what he did with Forte got me very excited.  I wont like I was excited to bring him here but obviously was not a good decision, it happens.

[The Raven]

All I know is that Kyle Shanahan is killing it in Atlanta right now, and he had a solid offense last year, too. Boy oh boy, if we had that guy.

[VermontRaven]

3 minutes ago, The Raven said:

All I know is that Kyle Shanahan is killing it in Atlanta right now, and he had a solid offense last year, too. Boy oh boy, if we had that guy.

He also has Julio Jones to work with. Jones would make any OC look amazing

[usmccharles]

12 minutes ago, The Raven said:

All I know is that Kyle Shanahan is killing it in Atlanta right now, and he had a solid offense last year, too. Boy oh boy, if we had that guy.

Julio Jones says......Sup

[Wisdom]

On 10/31/2016 at 4:47 AM, RaRaRavens said:

The sad thing is, due to cap space and dead money reasons, we can't fire him for at least 3 years. So Flacco can start throwing intentional INTs and we still could not fire him. And no one is going to trade with us for him considering his cap hit and playing level. So we are literally stuck with Flacco until 2020. 

You're right!  That's the saddest part of the story.  Beside, who in their right mind would want such an inconsistent, greedy below average QB?   I can't think of any team not even the Browns.

[-Truth-]

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

He also has Julio Jones to work with. Jones would make any OC look amazing

Obviously having possibly the most physically gifted receiver in the NFL helps, no question. But Shanahan deserves credit for his efforts as does the rest of the offense, especially since they're undefeated this season when Jones has 3 catches or less.

[PurpleCity5]

6 hours ago, -Truth- said:

Obviously having possibly the most physically gifted receiver in the NFL helps, no question. But Shanahan deserves credit for his efforts as does the rest of the offense, especially since they're undefeated this season when Jones has 3 catches or less.

That's interesting, Had no idea about that. Definitely think Julio's presence helps a ton. Hearing a Packers CB talk about how they have to pray before they play Julio puts things into perspective IMO. Consistent one-on-one coverage is something that just does a lot for a team. 

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

He's probably right that it isn't rocket science to learn a playbook but the player still has to study it which takes time  and then he has to be on the same page with his offensive coordinator especially if we talking about the quarterback which again takes time. John Harbaugh did state that The Ravens would continue to run Gary Kubiak offensive scheme  after Kubiak left but it's tough for a offensive coordinator(Marc Trestman) that wasn't even part of the coaching staff prior to use  a playbook that really isn't his own and try to implement that philosophy just as if Gary Kubiak never left. I think it was a great idea for John Harbaugh to keep the scheme and not totally throw  it away  because he obviously recognize how beneficial it was for the offense in 2014 and Joe Flacco himself had one of his best seasons in that  offense.

 

Not that I think Marc Trestman is a bad offensive coordinator but he just couldn't build off from what Gary Kubiak left behind and he wasn't calling plays consistently that suited Joe Flacco strength. Marty M should have been the offensive coordinator from the start because his offensive style suited what Gary Kubiak likes to do but for some reason John Harbaugh was convinced that  Marc Trestman was the guy. I don't even think Marc Trestman was John Harbaugh ideally pick anyway especially with his pass happy back ground but someone must have convince him that he would be great for the offense especially Joe Flacco .

I think what the Ravens were hoping when continuing to implement Kubiak's scheme was to create an offensive system that they could use going forward. Similar to the Patriots. They saw a scheme that produced one of Joe's best years and believed that going forward, it would be a system that they could permanently implement. It could make sense that Trestman had trouble to use a scheme that wasn't him, but they surely made adjustments. As Yanda said in an interview they didn't exclusively go zone blocking. They mixed some man-blocking in, gap blocking and stretch runs, and there was an increase in TE/RB screens but for what its worth, still looks like the same system. What we have right now is a scheme, not a system. A scheme is the overall basis of what you're going to do as an offense. A system is a philosophy and the overall identity of the team. That's what the Ravens wanted. 

I personally think that what we need is two things from an OC. Someone with some fire and someone who can make the pass game work when the run game is failing. Sometimes you just won't be able to run the ball period. Look at the Patriots in the Divisional game against us, they didn't get anything on the ground game and simply gave up after. They did not get one good run and yet took over simply via the pass. We need that. If the run game isn't working then we need to win by the pass. We need fire because some of these players lack it. Surely not Steve Smith Sr., Mike Wallace or Joe, but the slow starts and sluggish 3rd QTRs just make it seem like these players lack fire. Now at some point you have to look at these players and hold them responsible for that. The only reason why I listed fire is because of what Pitta's comments alluded to in what kind of a coach Trestman was and it was evident that the players confidence and him and the scheme died down because they didn't see a coach with that edge in him. 

Edited November 3, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[rmcjacket23]

 

On 10/31/2016 at 4:47 AM, RaRaRavens said:

The sad thing is, due to cap space and dead money reasons, we can't fire him for at least 3 years. So Flacco can start throwing intentional INTs and we still could not fire him. And no one is going to trade with us for him considering his cap hit and playing level. So we are literally stuck with Flacco until 2020. 

 

12 hours ago, Wisdom said:

You're right!  That's the saddest part of the story.  Beside, who in their right mind would want such an inconsistent, greedy below average QB?   I can't think of any team not even the Browns.

And this is where the lack of NFL knowledge catches up with you two...

1. For starters, his cap hit wouldn't go with him if he were to be traded. Only the salary portion of it would. The rest would remain with us (which, ignoring the fact that players have his caliber don't get traded, is another reason why he wouldn't get traded).

If he were to be traded to another team, his cap hits for that team for the next 5 years would be as follows:

2017 - $6M (a gigantic bargain by any possible standard)

2018 - $12M (a gigantic bargain by any possible standard)

2019 - $18.5M

2020 - $20.25M

2021 - $24.25M

So for the next two seasons at least, he would be playing at way, way, way less than market value. It wouldn't be until almost 2020 when his cap hit would be probably reaching market value at that time.

2. The irony of saying "I don't know who would want him" shows how completely tone deaf some fans are to what other teams in the league are doing and what other QBs in the league get paid.

[redrum52]

This discussion is pointless.  Everyone here has their mind made up, regardless of what the other side says.  this isn't changing a thing, but thread length.  Every.  single...  YEAR

 

 

There might as well be 2 threads made at the start of each season.  1 appreciation and 1 for detractors.

Edited November 3, 2016 by redrum52