Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Willbacker]

19 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We need another Hawaiian, cause after Ngata left, we started sucking! 

Can always look for one at Uncles in Fallston! http://www.eatatuncles.com/
 

Are you the owner lol?

[rossihunter2]

53 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

We need another Hawaiian, cause after Ngata left, we started sucking! 

Can always look for one at Uncles in Fallston! http://www.eatatuncles.com/
 

Isn't Correa Hawaiian? Or maybe Kaufusi...

ngata was a Pacific Islander anyway I think

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

Isn't Correa Hawaiian? Or maybe Kaufusi...

ngata was a Pacific Islander anyway I think

They're both Polynesian and actually Stanley is too partially

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

22 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

They're both Polynesian and actually Stanley is too partially

Yup. But Correa grew up in Hawaii. He was all the rage last time I went there

[usmccharles]

Isnt Joe Croatian?

[JoeyFlex5]

On 4/10/2017 at 4:32 PM, usmccharles said:

Isnt Joe Croatian?

His middle name is Vincent and he's from jersey... always assumed he was Italian lol

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

His middle name is Vincent and he's from jersey... always assumed he was Italian lol

I did what certain posters seem to do....just make something up

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Just everything 

Ah.  90% of my use of this forum is while at work. 

[JoeyFlex5]

18 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If you think I'm making up the Hawaii thing he grew up there. I looked it up. Went to high school there. 

 

That being said, Joey is right, since Hawaiian technically is part of it. My mistake.

 

Or if you're talking about the Curry picture, ask rmw10, Truth, or RavensFanMania.

 

Hell, I'll PM you the picture later. 

I wasn't trying to correct anyone, I just don't bother to differentiate one islander from another and throw them all into the Polynesian mix, there's so damn many different types of Polynesian lol

[Purple&Black#20]

4 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude, Flacco isn't worth the farm. QBs that command multiple round1 picks can carry a terrible offense to top10 in the league. And young QBs thought to have the potential to do that eventually. Joe is coming off consecutive bad years and 3 outa 4 at 32 yrs old I believe? Joe wouldn't even bring as much as Garappolo because of what hottest trend is. And be realistic. Joe is not as good as Rivers.

Joe is cut and dry. He can make any throw with accuracy. IF he is protected and allowed to set and throw. Joe is slower at looking over his targets than the elite QBs. But can make similar throws if he can look set and throw comfortably. Evidenced by his most failed completions. Joe doesn't have confidence in his own skills to mske a hurried decision and sling it from an awkward position. So he takes the easy glorified handoff aka a checkdown throw.

Im not bashing Joe. All I'm saying is he can do what the elite QBs can do if our offensive line dominates. Joe doesn't even need elite weapons as long as he is allowed to feel comfortable looking over his weapons, set and throw from upright uncompromising position. Give Joe Flacco good No.2 WRs and a dominating line. And he is an elite QB that will put up 30 plus TDs and 5000 yards or close to it!! He can place a laser like a prime Manning and Bree's. As well as  Roethlisberger Ryan and Brady. However he is a little behind those gunslingers when he is feeling consistently hurried.

It is no surprise Joe played his best version quarterback when we picked up Mckinnie and Ray got his fellow hurricane working hard and playing well. And he held down the left tackle position. And allowed the dominant offensive line players to play at their best positions. The offensive line dominated and Joe played the best quarterback of his career. Bottom line when Joe is hurried and not comfortable he plays like a bottom 10 QB. When he is allowed to carefully look through his weapons. Then comfortably set and throw from comfortable upright position he is one of the best. And can sling it and make wow throws with the best QB's in the league. Joe throws as beautiful a football as there is in the league. He needs to feel comfortable moreso than his elite peers.

Which is reason so many were upset at the Brandon Williams contract while letting our offensive line players walk. Give us back Wagner and Osemele and our offensive line is the best there is in the league. It is better than Cowboys even.

I agree with what you said but to add to that he NEEDS a security blanket. Q doesn't get as much credit as he should of helping win the superbowl. Joe has the talent but he's to inconsistent. He's not on Ben's level, Cam I can see where there's a debate. As a passer Joe, what the quarterback brings Cam. Flacco really needs to work on his deep ball. He puts to much air under throws like a high school quarterback. 90% of your deep ball throws shouldn't be jumpballs when your receiver has a step.He's throwing to the player and not to a spot. Shotgun, he's a better passer playing out of shotgun than under Center. Joe can't read defenses that well. He processing the defense a little better when he's in shotgun looking over the line during pre-snap. Caldwell knew this! Kubiak run scheme help him as well. Joe seemed very comfortable because we ran first passed second. When he's on its a beautiful thing to watch. If somehow we can make him believe he's playing the Patriots every week we'll see a better Joe. 

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

I agree with what you said but to add to that he NEEDS a security blanket. Q doesn't get as much credit as he should of helping win the superbowl. Joe has the talent but he's to inconsistent. He's not on Ben's level, Cam I can see where there's a debate. As a passer Joe, what the quarterback brings Cam. Flacco really needs to work on his deep ball. He puts to much air under throws like a high school quarterback. 90% of your deep ball throws shouldn't be jumpballs when your receiver has a step.He's throwing to the player and not to a spot. Shotgun, he's a better passer playing out of shotgun than under Center. Joe can't read defenses that well. He processing the defense a little better when he's in shotgun looking over the line during pre-snap. Caldwell knew this! Kubiak run scheme help him as well. Joe seemed very comfortable because we ran first passed second. When he's on its a beautiful thing to watch. If somehow we can make him believe he's playing the Patriots every week we'll see a better Joe. 

I disagree that Big Ben is on a whole higher level. He plays at a higher level because he has probably the best running back in the league, a top 3 wide receiver in the league, and a better o-line. This team has seen what Flacco can do when he has the right weapons. Not many quarterbacks will suceed in an offense that uses routes that primarily rely on YAC when their best target is a 37 year old coming off of an achilles injury, a running back who was cut by the Browns and a rookie running back that was injured almost half the year, and a guy who breaks his hips whenever he turns upfield and falls to the turf when he catches the ball.

I'm glad Marty is returning at OC that brings at least some level of continuity. With that said, they need to take more deep shots. That is Flacco's strength. Stop it with the curls and screens we do not have the personnel to do that. The offense needs some weapons and some protection.

As much as I want to hate on Flacco any level headed fan would agree that a lot is out of his control. He has played at a lower level the last couple years but you definitely cannot put most the blame on him.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

I agree with what you said but to add to that he NEEDS a security blanket. Q doesn't get as much credit as he should of helping win the superbowl. Joe has the talent but he's to inconsistent. He's not on Ben's level, Cam I can see where there's a debate. As a passer Joe, what the quarterback brings Cam. Flacco really needs to work on his deep ball. He puts to much air under throws like a high school quarterback. 90% of your deep ball throws shouldn't be jumpballs when your receiver has a step.He's throwing to the player and not to a spot. Shotgun, he's a better passer playing out of shotgun than under Center. Joe can't read defenses that well. He processing the defense a little better when he's in shotgun looking over the line during pre-snap. Caldwell knew this! Kubiak run scheme help him as well. Joe seemed very comfortable because we ran first passed second. When he's on its a beautiful thing to watch. If somehow we can make him believe he's playing the Patriots every week we'll see a better Joe. 

Um, did you just start reading on this forum?  The forum basically exploded when he was traded.  Q has never had short-comings when it comes to credit for the SB win, I don't know what you have been reading. 

I disagree about his deep ball, him and torrey had a pretty damn good connection, but torrey lacked ability to adjust to the ball.  And there was only a few times I can recall when a player had to come back to the ball with Joe, like the two 60 yard passes to Jacoby in the playoff run and to be fair, they were 60+yarders lol

Edited April 14 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude, Flacco isn't worth the farm. QBs that command multiple round1 picks can carry a terrible offense to top10 in the league. And young QBs thought to have the potential to do that eventually. Joe is coming off consecutive bad years and 3 outa 4 at 32 yrs old I believe? Joe wouldn't even bring as much as Garappolo because of what hottest trend is. And be realistic. Joe is not as good as Rivers.

Joe is cut and dry. He can make any throw with accuracy. IF he is protected and allowed to set and throw. Joe is slower at looking over his targets than the elite QBs. But can make similar throws if he can look set and throw comfortably. Evidenced by his most failed completions. Joe doesn't have confidence in his own skills to mske a hurried decision and sling it from an awkward position. So he takes the easy glorified handoff aka a checkdown throw.

Im not bashing Joe. All I'm saying is he can do what the elite QBs can do if our offensive line dominates. Joe doesn't even need elite weapons as long as he is allowed to feel comfortable looking over his weapons, set and throw from upright uncompromising position. Give Joe Flacco good No.2 WRs and a dominating line. And he is an elite QB that will put up 30 plus TDs and 5000 yards or close to it!! He can place a laser like a prime Manning and Bree's. As well as  Roethlisberger Ryan and Brady. However he is a little behind those gunslingers when he is feeling consistently hurried.

It is no surprise Joe played his best version quarterback when we picked up Mckinnie and Ray got his fellow hurricane working hard and playing well. And he held down the left tackle position. And allowed the dominant offensive line players to play at their best positions. The offensive line dominated and Joe played the best quarterback of his career. Bottom line when Joe is hurried and not comfortable he plays like a bottom 10 QB. When he is allowed to carefully look through his weapons. Then comfortably set and throw from comfortable upright position he is one of the best. And can sling it and make wow throws with the best QB's in the league. Joe throws as beautiful a football as there is in the league. He needs to feel comfortable moreso than his elite peers.

Which is reason so many were upset at the Brandon Williams contract while letting our offensive line players walk. Give us back Wagner and Osemele and our offensive line is the best there is in the league. It is better than Cowboys even.

If we get back KO and Wagner, we're still missing a Guard and a Center (because KO wouldn't be playing Guard if he were here, and Stanley wouldn't be on this team). Pretty much the same spot we are in now, if you think Lewis can be a decent RT.

I would also ask people to reference the 2014 season (and postseason most importantly), when Joe played quite well. In that postseason, we averaged 30 points a game on the road, in which our offensive line featured Hurst at LT, Yanda at RT, and Urschel at Guard. In fact, according to Pro Football Reference (and I don't remember if this is true or not), Urschel started at LEFT TACKLE against the Patriots, Hurst at RT, and Yanda moved back inside to Guard.

Stop and think about that for a minute. Our starting tackles in Foxboro in the playoffs were Urschel and Hurst. And we still scored 30.

The overall premise is accurate... Joe needs a good OLine. He does NOT, however, need a great OLine. For the most part, he's never had one. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we get back KO and Wagner, we're still missing a Guard and a Center (because KO wouldn't be playing Guard if he were here, and Stanley wouldn't be on this team). Pretty much the same spot we are in now, if you think Lewis can be a decent RT.

I would also ask people to reference the 2014 season (and postseason most importantly), when Joe played quite well. In that postseason, we averaged 30 points a game on the road, in which our offensive line featured Hurst at LT, Yanda at RT, and Urschel at Guard. In fact, according to Pro Football Reference (and I don't remember if this is true or not), Urschel started at LEFT TACKLE against the Patriots, Hurst at RT, and Yanda moved back inside to Guard.

Stop and think about that for a minute. Our starting tackles in Foxboro in the playoffs were Urschel and Hurst. And we still scored 30.

The overall premise is accurate... Joe needs a good OLine. He does NOT, however, need a great OLine. For the most part, he's never had one. 

I love how people seem to forget how Joe balled out, gave us two 14 point leads in Foxboro against a secondary that featured Revis.  NFL definitely means not for long.

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we get back KO and Wagner, we're still missing a Guard and a Center (because KO wouldn't be playing Guard if he were here, and Stanley wouldn't be on this team). Pretty much the same spot we are in now, if you think Lewis can be a decent RT.

I would also ask people to reference the 2014 season (and postseason most importantly), when Joe played quite well. In that postseason, we averaged 30 points a game on the road, in which our offensive line featured Hurst at LT, Yanda at RT, and Urschel at Guard. In fact, according to Pro Football Reference (and I don't remember if this is true or not), Urschel started at LEFT TACKLE against the Patriots, Hurst at RT, and Yanda moved back inside to Guard.

Stop and think about that for a minute. Our starting tackles in Foxboro in the playoffs were Urschel and Hurst. And we still scored 30.

The overall premise is accurate... Joe needs a good OLine. He does NOT, however, need a great OLine. For the most part, he's never had one. 

I've brought up the OL situation a few times.  We also beat the Steelers with Hurst at LT, I think.  The problem is, we don't have Kubiak anymore, who I'm sure helped ease some of the pain and the rules have changed for blockers.

47 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I love how people seem to forget how Joe balled out, gave us two 14 point leads in Foxboro against a secondary that featured Revis.  NFL definitely means not for long.

If only he'd start seasons like he finishes them.  The 2 times he's started hot, the team at least made AFCCG.  No real correlation except those were probably most talented teams, but you get the point.

Edited April 14 by redrum52

[usmccharles]

Just now, redrum52 said:

If only he'd start seasons like he finishes them.

Obviously lol. 

[Purple&Black#20]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Um, did you just start reading on this forum?  The forum basically exploded when he was traded.  Q has never had short-comings when it comes to credit for the SB win, I don't know what you have been reading. 

I disagree about his deep ball, him and torrey had a pretty damn good connection, but torrey lacked ability to adjust to the ball.  And there was only a few times I can recall when a player had to come back to the ball with Joe, like the two 60 yard passes to Jacoby in the playoff run and to be fair, they were 60+yarders lol

Me saying Boldin didn't get the credit is not saying from us but the organization! He was only due 6 million and was traded. All him a Torrey really racked up pass interference calls! Go look at the film, and the passes to Jacoby in the Denver and superbowl game was like catching punts! He stop and waited! What are you watching!!!

[Purple&Black#20]

4 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I disagree that Big Ben is on a whole higher level. He plays at a higher level because he has probably the best running back in the league, a top 3 wide receiver in the league, and a better o-line. This team has seen what Flacco can do when he has the right weapons. Not many quarterbacks will suceed in an offense that uses routes that primarily rely on YAC when their best target is a 37 year old coming off of an achilles injury, a running back who was cut by the Browns and a rookie running back that was injured almost half the year, and a guy who breaks his hips whenever he turns upfield and falls to the turf when he catches the ball.

I'm glad Marty is returning at OC that brings at least some level of continuity. With that said, they need to take more deep shots. That is Flacco's strength. Stop it with the curls and screens we do not have the personnel to do that. The offense needs some weapons and some protection.

As much as I want to hate on Flacco any level headed fan would agree that a lot is out of his control. He has played at a lower level the last couple years but you definitely cannot put most the blame on him.

Ben has Brown and Bell now!!! He has had his days of not having a OL and still produce. Ben has put up constant numbers once he became the starting quarterback. Ben is a hall of fame quarterback hands down. Can't say the same for Flacco. When they beat Arizona Bell or Brown wasn't there. When they lost to the Packers Brown was a rookie playing kick return. Level headed???? Guess you're not to keep making excuses from him. It's very dumb to say Flacco is better than Ben but right now today we can Ben is going into the hall of fame. 

[rmcjacket23]

29 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Me saying Boldin didn't get the credit is not saying from us but the organization! He was only due 6 million and was traded. All him a Torrey really racked up pass interference calls! Go look at the film, and the passes to Jacoby in the Denver and superbowl game was like catching punts! He stop and waited! What are you watching!!!

1. Which allowed us to sign other key players, like Elvis Dumervil.

2. Was basically something he did for only one season. Go back to the stats. Torrey was not a PI machine for the overwhelming majority of his team here, and hasn't been since. Very, very lazy analysis by the fanbase on that one.

3. Of course they stopped and waited... you're talking 50+ yard throws in the air. There's only a handful of QBs in the league that can even throw it that far. The SB throw he basically throws it off one leg. 

This ain't Madden folks. Its real life.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Me saying Boldin didn't get the credit is not saying from us but the organization! He was only due 6 million and was traded.

All him a Torrey really racked up pass interference calls! Go look at the film, and the passes to Jacoby in the Denver and superbowl game was like catching punts! He stop and waited! What are you watching!!!

Do you forgot this is also a business?  Yes Boldin was due 6million and for some reason the FO thought that Torrey could be a #1 which was a huge mistake.  Then they wanted to rely on Pitta who got hurt, then Rice was also hurt.  Also, Getting rid of Boldin meant we were able to bring in Doom, which as much as I hated getting rid of Q I loved bringing in another pass rusher opposite of Suggs, really helped our defense.  The problem is that we didn't address moving Q, The problem was we didn't 'value' any of the WRs in the upcoming draft enough, which I think was a mistake (obviously) considering Keenen Allen, Markus Wheaton, Kenny Stills was available.  Then there was Justin Hunter, Aaron 'Dropson", Terrence Willams.  Its a catch 22.  I prefer to build the defense but after handing Joe the contract the FO did, didn't make much sense to trade away his number one target.  No doubt Boldin was a beast, but during the regular season he was pretty average.

Maybe you should look at the film more closely.  If Joe didn't loft the pass in Denver the safety would of easily picked it off, we were lucky that he miss judged it, by about a foot. Im not sure what you are watching, but the throw he made to Jacoby was perfect.  Yea, he could of thrown it further but then you have to realize, humans have physical limits. He is scrambling out of the pocket and throws it on the run, lands right in his chest.  Should of made him reach for it, since he is known so well for his good hands. Some how only our fans will complain about a 70+ yard last second TD to send a game into OT to beat one of the best offenses the NFL has ever seen and go onto to win the SB.  But yea....that pass was a little high, Just like my Ferrari is too fast

 

 

Edited April 14 by usmccharles

[rmcjacket23]

25 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Ben has Brown and Bell now!!! He has had his days of not having a OL and still produce. Ben has put up constant numbers once he became the starting quarterback. Ben is a hall of fame quarterback hands down. Can't say the same for Flacco. When they beat Arizona Bell or Brown wasn't there. When they lost to the Packers Brown was a rookie playing kick return. Level headed???? Guess you're not to keep making excuses from him. It's very dumb to say Flacco is better than Ben but right now today we can Ben is going into the hall of fame. 

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year.

Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years.

Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year.

Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years.

Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

It's funny to me how it's rarely mentioned how poorly he seemed to play the later half of the season even with a the run game going.

[Purple&Black#20]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Which allowed us to sign other key players, like Elvis Dumervil.

2. Was basically something he did for only one season. Go back to the stats. Torrey was not a PI machine for the overwhelming majority of his team here, and hasn't been since. Very, very lazy analysis by the fanbase on that one.

3. Of course they stopped and waited... you're talking 50+ yard throws in the air. There's only a handful of QBs in the league that can even throw it that far. The SB throw he basically throws it off one leg. 

This ain't Madden folks. Its real life.

Superbowl throw on 1 leg but what about the Denver game. Dumervill had 1 good season.  Torrey has been released by the 49ers not because he's old but because he's not a #1. Like Chad Johnson would say....Child please!!!

Edited April 14 by Purple&Black#20

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Superbowl throw on 1 leg but what about the Denver game. Dumervill had 1 good season.  Torrey has been released by the 49ers not because he's old but because he's not a #1. Like Chad Johnson would say....Child please!!!

I addressed the Denver game....

[Purple&Black#20]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year.

Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years.

Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

Not most, we was debating him and Flacco. It's not close!!!!

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Not most, we was debating him and Flacco. It's not close!!!!

Literally the last sentence he says compares the two....do you even read stuff you reply to?

[arnie_uk]

55 minutes ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Superbowl throw on 1 leg but what about the Denver game. Dumervill had 1 good season.  Torrey has been released by the 49ers not because he's old but because he's not a #1. Like Chad Johnson would say....Child please!!!

Are you seriously criticizing flacco for the td pass to Jones against Denver on 4th down, after have to step up into the pocket to avoid a sack from dummerville and the preceding to throw it 60 odd yards down the sideline (probably 80 when you take into account trajectory) that beat the 2 deep safeties?

Ha

Haha

Ha

[Purple&Black#20]

5 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Are you seriously criticizing flacco for the td pass to Jones against Denver on 4th down, after have to step up into the pocket to avoid a sack from dummerville and the preceding to throw it 60 odd yards down the sideline (probably 80 when you take into account trajectory) that beat the 2 deep safeties?

Ha

Haha

Ha

I never thought so many people don't understand football. I'm not criticizing anything. I brought up his deep throw accuracy and y'all decided to bring up that play to justify his accuracy. Anybody who knows football knows the safety miss judge the pass but only a Flacco lover would say it was a great pass. It was luck!! LIke Chad Johnson would say.. Child please!!!! Ha ha ha at yourself!!!!

[Purple&Black#20]

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Not most, we was debating him and Flacco. It's not close!!!!

He said MOST quarterbacks and I said we are debating Ben and Flacco!! Ben does turn the ball over but he wins more games on his shoulders than flacco. Like Chad Johnson would say...Child please!!!

[Purple&Black#20]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Kind of hard to argue Ben is constant. Like most QBs, he struggled quite a bit and was very inconsistent his first 4-5 years in the league, and he definitely isn't putting up the same stats every year.

Can even look recently... 2016 his YPA, YPG and completion percentage were all significantly lower than in the previous few years.

Another fun fact people probably aren't aware of... on a per attempt basis, Ben turns the ball over more than Joe in his career.

With the 4-5 years you are referring to that he was so inconsistent was flacco better than him???? No,No,No! The means at Ben's worst he's still better than y'all lord and savor Flacco! Like Chad Johnson would say....Child please!!!