Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Tru11]

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Don't you think its pretty ignorant to say this....in March?

Did Joe kill your dog or something?

not really.

3 out of the last 4 years we missed the play offs and flacco was bad all 3 of those seasons.

so if he keeps playing the same then the odds are we will miss the play offs again.

its ignorant to think that if he keeps playing this bad that we are a playoff team.

unless you think that ozzie will fill all the holes with topnotch talent and pees will have this defense play like a top 5 unit for all 16 games from start to finish....

our ticket to the play offs are in his hand and he is getting paid to carry this team.
if he does not play better im not confident at all that we will be play off bound.

 

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it almost feels like you want this to happen...

sure that is why i want flacco to play better rather then make excuses and act like he is playing like a top tier QB.......

[Tru11]

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

or you're a steelers fan ...

steelers fans are the ones who think flacco is doing just fine the way he played the last 2 seasons or heck last 3 out 4 seasons since winning the SB.

 

 

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

not really.

3 out of the last 4 years we missed the play offs and flacco was bad all 3 of those seasons.

so if he keeps playing the same then the odds are we will miss the play offs again.

its ignorant to think that if he keeps playing this bad that we are a playoff team.

unless you think that ozzie will fill all the holes with topnotch talent and pees will have this defense play like a top 5 unit for all 16 games from start to finish....

our ticket to the play offs are in his hand and he is getting paid to carry this team.
if he does not play better im not confident at all that we will be play off bound.

Im already happy with the improvements made on defense.  We added a reliable #2cb and a very talented safety.  Where did I say Joe would keep playing the same?  I have said numerous times that I think his injury really affected Joe last year.  We will have a very different team than we did last year, rookies will have more experience, we will have a break out player somewhere, we still have a full draft and some off-season cuts are still to be made.... But yea, lets think this is our team...in March.  Sounds logical

Yes, we still need improvements, as do a lot of teams.  We don't know what will happen in the next 9 months....but I guess you do

Im not saying prepare for the playoffs, but to say to prepare to miss the playoffs is just asinine.   

Edited March 22 by usmccharles

[Tru11]

51 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im already happy with the improvements made on defense.  We added a reliable #2cb and a very talented safety.  Where did I say Joe would keep playing the same?  I have said numerous times that I think his injury really affected Joe last year.  We will have a very different team than we did last year, rookies will have more experience, we will have a break out player somewhere, we still have a full draft and some off-season cuts are still to be made.... But yea, lets think this is our team...in March.  Sounds logical

Im not saying prepare for the playoffs, but to say to prepare to miss the playoffs is just asinine.   

i did not randomly posted what you quoted.
it was a reply to a question the person i quoted  asked.

if flacco keeps playing as bad as he has been doing then i dont see how we make the play offs.
 

do you think the ravens are a playoff team if flacco plays like he did in 2015 and 2016?

 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Tru11

[usmccharles]

21 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

i did not randomly posted what you quoted.
it was a reply to a question the person i quoted  asked.

if flacco keeps playing as bad as he has been doing then i dont see how we make the play offs.
 

do you think the ravens are a playoff team if flacco plays like he did in 2015 and 2016?

I literally just said, he needs to play better.  I believe we would of made the playoffs if Jimmy smith didn't go down

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I literally just said, he needs to play better.  I believe we would of made the playoffs if Jimmy smith didn't go down

so when my point is that flacco needs to play better for us to make the play offs its ignorant , yet you yourself say he needs to play better.
interesting.

you do know that if he played better last season we would have made the play offs regardless of jimmy going down right?

offense was the biggest issue last season and im pretty sure jimmy does not play offense....

 

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[Adreme]

14 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so when my point is that flacco needs to play better for us to make the play offs its ignorant , yet you yourself say he needs to play better.
interesting.

you do know that if he played better last season we would have made the play offs regardless of jimmy going down right?

offense was the biggest issue last season and im pretty sure jimmy does not play offense....

 

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Yes but the offense is literally just Flacco vs 11 defenders.  Receivers needed to get separation, the run blocking needed to actually well exist which caused the running game to not exist, the pass blocking got better towards the end of the year but thats about it.  

[Tru11]

7 minutes ago, Adreme said:

Yes but the offense is literally just Flacco vs 11 defenders.  Receivers needed to get separation, the run blocking needed to actually well exist which caused the running game to not exist, the pass blocking got better towards the end of the year but thats about it.  

so he played good in your eyes last season?
no need to improve at all ?

PS: that is some utter disrespect for yanda tbh and stanley played pretty darn good as well.
flacco vs 11 really?

 

Edited March 22 by Tru11

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so he played good in your eyes last season?
no need to improve at all ?

No one has implied either of those things

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

No one has implied either of those things

then what is the point of disagreeing with me when i say he needs to play better?

just replies for the sake of defending flacco even though you agree?

[usmccharles]

37 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

so when my point is that flacco needs to play better for us to make the play offs its ignorant , yet you yourself say he needs to play better.
interesting.

you do know that if he played better last season we would have made the play offs regardless of jimmy going down right?

offense was the biggest issue last season and im pretty sure jimmy does not play offense....

Yet again, just said he needs to play better, again.  I was just saying even as bad as he did play....I believe Jimmy going down kept us out of the playoffs, our defense was that good with him on the field.  The last half of the season Joe improved his play as someone pointed out, our defense fell off the face of the earth. 

Joe needs to play better

Joe needs to improve

Joe was not good last year

........am I going to have to say it again?

Joe needs to play better. 

I don't believe our playoff hopes are solely on Joe. 

Predicting something 9 months out when you don't even know what are team will look like is just illogical

[K-Dog]

We should try to settle this before the boards close.

[rossihunter2]

Just now, K-Dog said:

We should try to settle this before the boards close.

what's left to settle that hasn't been already 106 pages in?

[K-Dog]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

what's left to settle that hasn't been already 106 pages in?

I don't know.  I quit reading 80 pages ago. It is mostly gobile geek. 

I just thought posting an unrealistic expectation would be fun.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yet again, just said he needs to play better, again.  I was just saying even as bad as he did play....I believe Jimmy going down kept us out of the playoffs, our defense was that good with him on the field.  The last half of the season Joe improved his play as someone pointed out, our defense fell off the face of the earth. 

Joe needs to play better

Joe needs to improve

Joe was not good last year

........am I going to have to say it again?

Joe needs to play better. 

I don't believe our playoff hopes are solely on Joe. 

Predicting something 9 months out when you don't even know what are team will look like is just illogical

based on the fact that we have spend almost 50% of our cap on offense and have spend our high picks in the last 2 drafts mostly on offense , i come to have high expectations for that unit.
there are only 11 teams who are spending more on offense so an offense barely cracking the top 20 is just not going to cut it.

the QB is the most important player on offense and even on the team.
if he plays bad the offense has no chance so safe to say he is that important to what how that unit will play.
when you then also consider that flacco has the 2nd highest cap hit in the entire NFL then you can say a lot is expected from him.
he is getting paid to carry this team so he should.

there are only 3 teams spending less on defense so  im actually tempering my expectations for them.

pretty logical so far imo.

then when you consider the amount of picks we have , how many of them become immediate contributors on offense/defense and the amount of vets we bring that make a significant impact at this point , its safe to say that you can make a pretty good guess at the shape of our roster already.

majority of the 53 man squad is already on the team.
barring injuries i think at least 8 out of 11 starters on defense are set in stone with at least 1 guy we know will be the 3rd corner.
losing any of them will lead to a downgrade and thus will put more pressure on flacco and the offense.

maybe you are totally clueless on who will be on the team but i already have a pretty good idea on who will be on it or at least has a very high chance to make it.

considering the make up of this team and the importance of the QB position and  the often used its a passing league , id dare to say to QB play will play a huge role in if we are play off bound or not.

the only way we make the play offs with flacco playing badall season is if we get a 2000 yard caliber RB (committee) and the defense playing like the 2000 unit for 16 games for the entire game and not just 3 quarters lol

 

 

 

[Moderator 2]

I understand the being in the playoffs once in the last four years is blamed on Flacco BUT Flacco played half a season once and was rehabbing the trashed knee last year.  I've posted this somewhere it takes 18 months to get over the whole knee thing, physically the player is ready but psychologically he may not be.  I forget which home game last year Flacco trashed his knee brace because he went down funny in his slide and hobbled off the field to the tunnel to get it changed out and came out ready to play---as player that has to stick with you.

The revolving door at OC impacts the entire offense and oh boy did it show.  The stupid penalties killed the team as well as QB play.

Personally I like Joe and I know he will never be Peyton or Tom, because franchise QB's of their caliber do not grow on trees or everyone would have one except maybe Cleveland.

[RayRayRaven]

23 hours ago, ThatsMyJoeTerback said:

PFT commenter spells better than you.

I'd remove Dak, Cousins, Tyrod, Smith, Mariota, Winston, Wilson, Bradford, and Palmer

jus pulld qbr for the season. everyone above joe had better numbrs. but I judge joe by the eye test and he's not doing well.

22 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I think i might actually miss the delusion and grammar errors from someone on here.   But i doubt it.

im spellin better payin attention to red underlines now, but i'll see ya on anotha board. we have to to see how our pics outplay oz's pics.

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The move to get rid of joe involved clearing 47m in cap space this year. That is not rearranging money, that requires a total dismantling of the team 

signin Jefferson and bwilliams pretty much put the kabach on the compre hensuv plan. we coulda done it. it wuld have been painful this yr fur sur but the pain is comin anyway. u gotta make bold moves to boldely improve

10 hours ago, The Raven said:

In seasons before 2016, I agree wholeheartedly, but in 2016, he had as much to do with his struggles as his poor supporting cast.  His footwork and throwing motion were the worst they've been since he was a rookie. His accuracy was poor. His decision making was awful. 

In 2013 and 2015, I gave him passes. But, in my opinion, 2016 was the first year since "maturing" where he really got in his own way.

his bess yardage yr last but he looked like a guy that had collectd

8 hours ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

Flacco didn't play any better those last 7 weeks, he has done what he normally  does. Every year snitch  the day we drafted him. He'll have between 1-3 games a season where he looks like a top 5 quarterback in the league and turn around the next week and stink up the place. Those last 7 games he played two of his best games all season. Against Cleveland (3 td's 2 int) who owns the top pick in the draft and only won a game last season. The other was Miami where he threw for 4 TD's and 1 int. Flacco threw 20 td's to 15 INT's last year. He almost average 1 int a game. Most of his picks are just bad throws and not a guy just making a play on the ball. Only consistency he has showed was he'll throw 10 plus picks a year. Hate me for telling the truth and here are some numbers for you....

 

Joe Flacco stats

 

Career stats

Year	Team	YDS	TD	INT	Rating
2016	BAL	4,317	20	15	83.5
2015	BAL	2,791	14	12	83.1
2014	BAL	3,986	27	12	91.0
2013	BAL	3,912	19	22	73.1
2012	BAL	3,817	22	10	87.7
2011	BAL	3,610	20	12	80.9
2010	BAL	3,622	25	10	93.6
2009	BAL	3,613	21	12	88.9
2008	BAL	2,971	14	12	80.3
Career		32,639	182	117	84.5

same as it evah was

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Don't you think its pretty ignorant to say this....in March?

Did Joe kill your dog or something?

joe kilt my roster

7 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

it almost feels like you want this to happen...

wuld rather have traded him and eaten the bad record this yr

4 hours ago, K-Dog said:

We should try to settle this before the boards close.

it already settld. isn't it a question of when?

[Willbacker]

Joe played a lot better in the 2nd half of the year but when you making the 2nd highest money in the league you gotta put a lot more on his shoulders. The money dictates that. Joe is going to be healthy next year plus he said he's gonna hold a camp with his receivers( Which I'm holding him to) and let the cards fall where they may. Gotta solidify this offensive line tho but right now cutting Joe will cost us 47 mil against the cap so you know straight up ITS NOT HAPPENING. So deal.

Cry,cry cry all everybody wants but Joe is the QB for the next 2 yrs and he owns what he does. Period!! We made that bed.

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

I understand the being in the playoffs once in the last four years is blamed on Flacco BUT Flacco played half a season once and was rehabbing the trashed knee last year.  I've posted this somewhere it takes 18 months to get over the whole knee thing, physically the player is ready but psychologically he may not be.  I forget which home game last year Flacco trashed his knee brace because he went down funny in his slide and hobbled off the field to the tunnel to get it changed out and came out ready to play---as player that has to stick with you.

The revolving door at OC impacts the entire offense and oh boy did it show.  The stupid penalties killed the team as well as QB play.

Personally I like Joe and I know he will never be Peyton or Tom, because franchise QB's of their caliber do not grow on trees or everyone would have one except maybe Cleveland.

To be fair, by the time Joe got injured the Ravens were well out of the playoff picture and he certainly wasn't playing well during that time period. In terms of his knee, I for sure think the knee effected him in a big way this past season and physiologically he wasn't fully recovered, not even close, he threw off his back foot too often, didn't extend plays, and too often used Pitta as a security blanket when there were plays open downfield. 

[Tru11]

4 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

I understand the being in the playoffs once in the last four years is blamed on Flacco BUT Flacco played half a season once and was rehabbing the trashed knee last year.  I've posted this somewhere it takes 18 months to get over the whole knee thing, physically the player is ready but psychologically he may not be.  I forget which home game last year Flacco trashed his knee brace because he went down funny in his slide and hobbled off the field to the tunnel to get it changed out and came out ready to play---as player that has to stick with you.

The revolving door at OC impacts the entire offense and oh boy did it show.  The stupid penalties killed the team as well as QB play.

Personally I like Joe and I know he will never be Peyton or Tom, because franchise QB's of their caliber do not grow on trees or everyone would have one except maybe Cleveland.

we where not in a play off spot when flacco got injured in 2015 nor was he playing good at the time.
the ravens where 3-7 before he got put on IR.

 

[Halshayeji]

17 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

And that's the kind of statement that drives the "Flacco lovers" nuts.  As a matter of fact, the Ravens were in the top 3rd of the league in AVOIDING 3 and outs.  He was NOT failing to move the chains at a high rate.  Granted, there were too many failed attempts at securing the first down later in the drive, but a fair amount of that was lacking a playmaker on offense.  It takes two to move the chains. 

And that's the kind of statement that drives the opposing side crazy. He made so many good points and eloquently stated them. You held on to the one point that he "spoke wrong" and threw out everything he said when in reality you know exactly what he means. 

i literally cringe every time a conversation like this happens. On one side, people who criticize Joe often take it too far to say something like cut him or trade him when it's not even logical. On the other hand, people defending Joe will go so far that theyl throw everyone around joe under the bus to defend him.

 

 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 4:30 PM, redrum52 said:

Where would you rank Joe among qbs?  Who do you think is better than him?

 

On ‎3‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 5:13 PM, Tru11 said:

quite curious if you also know what the QBs job is.

interesting how you always manage to list everyone else job and what they are supposed to do except the highest paid position in the NFL.....

 

That question is too easy. Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the Top Three. Beyond them an argument can be made that Ben Rottenburger is fourth and when he played Peyton Manning rounded out the Top Five. This brings into focus two interesting points. How did Joe fare in head to head competition against the "Top Five". Also, the only reason Joe has not played in more Super Bowls than he has is he has had to compete against three od the above "Top Five" QBs throughout his career to advance to the SB. Give Joe Flacco a 25 point in a Super Bowl and I think he finds a way to win in unlike Mattie Whats's His Name.

It sounds like you are jealous of Joe Flacco, Mr. Tru11. Get over it. Let me guess. A QB's job is to ............ WIN?????????

If Joe were a Professional Golfer or Tennis Player, I'd give him all the blame for our lack of success in the last two seasons. Last I heard, football is a team sport.

 

[rossihunter2]

13 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

wuld rather have traded him and eaten the bad record this yr

you mean eating the bad record for the next decade...

[The Raven]

14 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

jus pulld qbr for the season. everyone above joe had better numbrs. but I judge joe by the eye test and he's not doing well.

im spellin better payin attention to red underlines now, but i'll see ya on anotha board. we have to to see how our pics outplay oz's pics.

signin Jefferson and bwilliams pretty much put the kabach on the compre hensuv plan. we coulda done it. it wuld have been painful this yr fur sur but the pain is comin anyway. u gotta make bold moves to boldely improve

his bess yardage yr last but he looked like a guy that had collectd

same as it evah was

joe kilt my roster

wuld rather have traded him and eaten the bad record this yr

it already settld. isn't it a question of when?

With all due respect, what the hell does that even mean? I'll forgive poor spelling if you actually convey a thought (it doesn't even have to be an intelligent one) but I don't even think you managed to pull that off this time. 

And I don't give a crap about yardage when his efficiency was garbage. Joe Flacco is about as efficient as a Hummer, but at least he's big and flashy with the big plays.

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

 

That question is too easy. Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the Top Three. Beyond them an argument can be made that Ben Rottenburger is fourth and when he played Peyton Manning rounded out the Top Five. This brings into focus two interesting points. How did Joe fare in head to head competition against the "Top Five". Also, the only reason Joe has not played in more Super Bowls than he has is he has had to compete against three od the above "Top Five" QBs throughout his career to advance to the SB. Give Joe Flacco a 25 point in a Super Bowl and I think he finds a way to win in unlike Mattie Whats's His Name.

It sounds like you are jealous of Joe Flacco, Mr. Tru11. Get over it. Let me guess. A QB's job is to ............ WIN?????????

If Joe were a Professional Golfer or Tennis Player, I'd give him all the blame for our lack of success in the last two seasons. Last I heard, football is a team sport.

 

Jealous about what?

 

 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

With all due respect, what the hell does that even mean? I'll forgive poor spelling if you actually convey a thought (it doesn't even have to be an intelligent one) but I don't even think you managed to pull that off this time. 

And I don't give a crap about yardage when his efficiency was garbage. Joe Flacco is about as efficient as a Hummer, but at least he's big and flashy with the big plays.

What kind of hummer?

[Tank 92]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

What kind of hummer?

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

[AsianRice]

u guys have less than 37 days to fight over this elite or none elite thang.....

 

Make it worth before it vanishes.....

 

Haters will continue their cult over FB and Twitter, and  as for others, find another interest to buy times until September......

Edited March 23 by AsianRice

[Ravens4Real]

I'm not sure how anyone can make the argument that Joe Flacco is elite. Unless you are John Clayton or the other clowns in the media that believe there are 15 elite QB's in this league. 

One would have to put a percentage on what elite actually is or a number. Is he top 5? Heck no? Top ten? I'd say ehhh. I would probably rank him around 11-13. But I'd also argue that the elite QB's in this league are the top 5 or so.