Joe Flacco: Tough Talk

[Somerset Ravens]

19 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

but the fact is joe is the right qb for the right team.  a team like Cleveland for example. they need a guy like joe in the worstest way.  and we need two number 1s for him.

Do you realize that if the Ravens traded Flacco it would result in a 47 million dollar cap hit?  Do you know what that would do to the team's roster?

[OUravensfan]

1 hour ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Do you realize that if the Ravens traded Flacco it would result in a 47 million dollar cap hit?  Do you know what that would do to the team's roster?

How dare you!

[RayRayRaven]

21 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Do you realize that if the Ravens traded Flacco it would result in a 47 million dollar cap hit?  Do you know what that would do to the team's roster?

 

20 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

How dare you!

dat cap hit is on a cut. this wuld be a trade.

[rossihunter2]

15 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

dat cap hit is on a cut. this wuld be a trade.

you dont get rid of a cap hit by trading - you get rid of the base salaries not the pro-rated signing bonuses - so we would save 6 mill or something but lose so much more due to the dead money from bonuses - we lose money by trading him, we lose money by cutting him - in both cases the amount is ridiculous and would cause us to have to get rid of many of the good players we do have left

i dont know what you cant ever understand about how we would lose money whatever we do - the only way we dont lose money is by keeping him - and we have to keep him for at least 2 more years before we dont lose any money and even then we dont really save anything - so the first year financially we could get rid of him would be in 3-4 years time

please understand this now... this is like the umpteenth time ive seen someone try to explain this to you and you still suggest getting rid of flacco

the ravens website literally posted something that would explain how this worked for you if you read it... here: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/A-Laymans-Introduction-To-The-Salary-Cap/93c15b67-dc1a-4877-831c-a8292eabd460 - notice the bit about contract valuation

[JoeyFlex5]

52 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

 

dat cap hit is on a cut. this wuld be a trade.

Oh my god... you can't be serious. Dead cap applies to trades the same way it applies to cuts. 

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh my god... you can't be serious. Dead cap applies to trades the same way it applies to cuts. 

There's a reason why Joe Flacco is laughing all the way to bank. He's got all the leverage and can play like a bottom dweller QB ( which seems to happen more often than not) and know he's never ever going to be replaced until 2020 at the very least.

 

Edited March 7 by Sami84

[ellicottraven]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

There's a reason why Joe Flacco is laughing all the way to bank. He's got all the leverage and can play like a bottom dweller QB ( which seems to happen more often than not) and know he's never ever going to be replaced until 2020 at the very least.

 

Nope he's not. But let's hope he has better honor and character than playing like a bottom dweller QB on purpose. Even if he plays horribly I don't think its because he wants to play horribly. It can be because he's regressed severely. But, I am hopeful that we'll see a 40 TD 10 INT - 5000 yard Flacco with about 10 ypc.

Or better still I would just like him to be regular ole Joe trhowing 20-24 times a game for about 200 yds, 1 TD no INT and hands the ball over more than he throws! That now is a recipe for success.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

Nope he's not. But let's hope he has better honor and character than playing like a bottom dweller QB on purpose. Even if he plays horribly I don't think its because he wants to play horribly. It can be because he's regressed severely. But, I am hopeful that we'll see a 40 TD 10 INT - 5000 yard Flacco with about 10 ypc.

Or better still I would just like him to be regular ole Joe trhowing 20-24 times a game for about 200 yds, 1 TD no INT and hands the ball over more than he throws! That now is a recipe for success.

i dont know where this idea that flacco might not play hard because he's got paid comes from... if that were the case wouldnt most qbs do the same thing and you could see how frustrated he was with his own play last year - id suggest its down to physical factors, the injury affecting him mentally and outside factors like lack of chemistry with receivers and a bad o-line

this is not to take blame away from him but to discredit any idea that he might not want to play better because he has "leverage" now - he's had leverage since he won the superbowl and has had good seasons since

[Wisdom]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

There's a reason why Joe Flacco is laughing all the way to bank. He's got all the leverage and can play like a bottom dweller QB ( which seems to happen more often than not) and know he's never ever going to be replaced until 2020 at the very least.

 

Outstanding point!

[OUravensfan]

Well I'm gonna miss you Flacco haters that post here, you're still more enjoyable than Facebook conjecture 

[usmccharles]

47 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Well I'm gonna miss you Flacco haters that post here, you're still more enjoyable than Facebook conjecture 

I don't even have facebook

 

[rossihunter2]

32 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I don't even have facebook

 

i do but i dont wanna post on ravens social media... it'll be like a hoard of rayrayravens everywhere and one is hard enough

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

i do but i dont wanna post on ravens social media... it'll be like a hoard of rayrayravens everywhere and one is hard enough

Sad thing is....kind of need people like that.  If everyone thinks the same....then its not exactly a great discussion.  Although....that spellcheck tho

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Sad thing is....kind of need people like that.  If everyone thinks the same....then its not exactly a great discussion.  Although....that spellcheck tho

Theres having a difference of opinion....

Theres also hitting your face on your keyboard 5 times then hitting submit reply.

I feel like he was the latter.

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Sad thing is....kind of need people like that.  If everyone thinks the same....then its not exactly a great discussion.  Although....that spellcheck tho

there's a difference between differing opinions and ignoring debate and discussion for unfeasible suggestions - with him its very much reality vs nightmarish fantasy rather than two different realistic suggestions being debated...

especially after repeatedly being given data to disprove

[usmccharles]

37 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Theres having a difference of opinion....

Theres also hitting your face on your keyboard 5 times then hitting submit reply.

I feel like he was the latter.

 

35 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

there's a difference between differing opinions and ignoring debate and discussion for unfeasible suggestions - with him its very much reality vs nightmarish fantasy rather than two different realistic suggestions being debated...

especially after repeatedly being given data to disprove

Haha obviously I agree with you guys, I didn't mean him per say, rather the difference in our opinions as you guys alluded to.  That guy made literally zero sense.   

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I don't even have facebook

 

Neither do I.

[Virginia 55]

(PAY THE MAN) in the words of John Harbaugh.  Both you and Flacco kick rocks!!!!!!! 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Theres having a difference of opinion....

Theres also hitting your face on your keyboard 5 times then hitting submit reply.

I feel like he was the latter.

He wasn't hitting his face, he spilled root beer on his keyboard and made the keys stuck, according to him

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He wasn't hitting his face, he spilled root beer on his keyboard and made the keys stuck, according to him

are we sure it was root beer?

[mg90]

On 3/7/2017 at 5:49 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh my god... you can't be serious. Dead cap applies to trades the same way it applies to cuts. 

As per the comprehensuv plan, it is possible. We convince a team to take Joe and most of said 40+ million dead cap, while in return they give us multiple 1st rounders.  Read the spec.

/more sarcasm

Edited March 9 by mg90

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 6:49 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Oh my god... you can't be serious. Dead cap applies to trades the same way it applies to cuts. 

missed the chance with the brownees but obveeously you trade away all comin salary and all allacated monie for 2017 and beyon .  we messed up the brownees wuld have meet our offer. its to late  now. theres other teams but the brownees were are oyster

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

missed the chance with the brownees but obveeously you trade away all comin salary and all allacated monie for 2017 and beyon .  we messed up the brownees wuld have meet our offer. its to late  now. theres other teams but the brownees were are oyster

We could do that, sure. And then we would watch Cleveland wreck the league with flacco and all their draft picks, and we wouldn't have a team to field because we would have to cut nearly all of our starters just to get at the cap. 

I don't know why I still respond to you.

[rossihunter2]

40 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We could do that, sure. And then we would watch Cleveland wreck the league with flacco and all their draft picks, and we wouldn't have a team to field because we would have to cut nearly all of our starters just to get at the cap. 

I don't know why I still respond to you.

I do it too - he makes it too difficult to ignore

[usmccharles]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We could do that, sure. And then we would watch Cleveland wreck the league with flacco and all their draft picks, and we wouldn't have a team to field because we would have to cut nearly all of our starters just to get at the cap. 

I don't know why I still respond to you.

It's obvious he's a troll.

Or he's a 7 year old Steelers fan

[Virginia 55]

On 3/9/2017 at 10:00 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

We could do that, sure. And then we would watch Cleveland wreck the league with flacco and all their draft picks, and we wouldn't have a team to field because we would have to cut nearly all of our starters just to get at the cap. 

I don't know why I still respond to you.

I highly doubt it!!!!!! lmao........ Are you even being serious?????? Flacco wrecking the league 

[JoeyFlex5]

53 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I highly doubt it!!!!!! lmao........ Are you even being serious?????? Flacco wrecking the league 

he did it before, remember when he had a historic run capped off with a super bowl mvp? remember his 2014 season when he actually had a respectable roster around him on offense and a NFL caliber OC?

cleveland now has an elite OL, gary barnidge, a high ceiling deep threat with room to improve on his routes, a familiar coach, and boatload of high draft picks over the next 2 years. if cleveland had flacco next season they would do some damage, they have everything flacco does well with. sure, they have little on defense and could use a wr, but flacco has never needed an elite wr, just a good OL to do well.

[lgcs27288]

The Texans also gave the Browns a high pick in that trade.

No one trades within divisions ever anyway. 

Even if we did it, the only person we could possibly pick up worth anything is the oft injured Romo who is like 37.

[Virginia 55]

23 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he did it before, remember when he had a historic run capped off with a super bowl mvp? remember his 2014 season when he actually had a respectable roster around him on offense and a NFL caliber OC?

cleveland now has an elite OL, gary barnidge, a high ceiling deep threat with room to improve on his routes, a familiar coach, and boatload of high draft picks over the next 2 years. if cleveland had flacco next season they would do some damage, they have everything flacco does well with. sure, they have little on defense and could use a wr, but flacco has never needed an elite wr, just a good OL to do well.

Flacco is 3 or 4  good seasons in a nine year career.  If he needs all those first rounders and talent to be successful at 120 million, then I wish we could trade him to Cleveland. I'm fully aware this is impossible, so the only hope we have is that he retires. 

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Flacco is 3 or 4  good seasons in a nine year career.  If he needs all those first rounders and talent to be successful at 120 million, then I wish we could trade him to Cleveland. I'm fully aware this is impossible, so the only hope we have is that he retires. 

Unfortunately even then there's a cap hit I think in almost all cases where there's guaranteed money and a pro-rated signing bonus

and it's hard to criticise flacco for needing first round guys when he's never really had any... perriman and Stanley are the only offensive first rounders since Michael oher and flacco himself - he hasn't even had that much second round help either: maxx Williams, KO, Torrey smith and ray rice

not that I think flacco performed well enough last year but the team has consistently trusted him to play well without major resources being spent on offence which, despite all the narratives to the contrary, is not something Brady and other great qbs in the league have had to do all too often