[News] Joe Flacco Is Getting Hit Too Much

[araveninwaconc]

  3 hours ago, Crusader said:

That's what happens when your taking most of the salery cap. Technically, Joe is getting paid for getting beat up. Not all smiles now is it?

Look at the salary of say the top 15 QB's and then look at the drop off in talent after that. Tell me who you think we should have as a Qb with what you would be willing to pay them. Because if Flacco didn't get that contract from the Ravens he would have gotten it from another team then we would have one of those bottom tier QB's. Is he playing to his potential, hell no but he's got no offensive line whatsoever, he's either getting hit or pressured on almost every pass, he's coming off an ACL surgery (see point 1 again about not having any protection), receivers are not getting separation and when Joe finally does make a good throw these guys can't catch!! Two deep balls hit Perriman in the hands and (1) he drops and the other doesn't get his foot down. At this point he's a disappointment - 1 catch against the Jets and then disappears.

http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/

I could not agree more that Perriman is a bust. He has no strength where is the speed db push him around block him out no football extra skills just run is all he does?

[araveninwaconc]

Found this interesting article.... 

"So let's deal with the Flacco conversation by basing it in fact instead of opinion, shall we? A small piece of advice to those who simply bash Flacco or attempt to place the Ravens' ills on his shoulders: you're wasting your breath -- or your Twitter characters. Whatever. "

 

"The reality for the Ravens and their quarterback is that, outside of owner Steve Bisciotti, nobody in the organization's job is safer than Flacco's. Not head coach John Harbaugh, not general manager Ozzie Newsome. No one's job is safer than the quarterback's. Based on the new contract the team and player agreed to this offseason, the earliest the Ravens would even be able to discuss the possibility of moving on from Flacco is 2019."

 https://www.pressboxonline.com/2016/10/18/glenn-clark-says-ravens-fans-wasting-time-with-joe-flacco-complaints

Joe is not going anywhere! I for one, have seen what Flacco can do when he has a line that can protect him. I hope we can get that back. I want Joe to succeed, and for him to do that the LINE NEEDS TO PROTECT HIM!!!   

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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[araveninwaconc]

  16 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

I have read most of the articles written and I have come to understand that everyone is missing the fact about who we are and the connection to the name Raven? Were we not named after the edgar Poe characture? Ravens are mystic and things mystic have very good moments and there are weird and bad moments? Havent you watched the games? Each one bring a new way to lose that we have not seen! Our good always end with bad? How many times has the defence got the ball back on turn over and give it right back on the same play? How many times does that happen in a game? Moreover in a season! Face it there is something to this Raven thang most of us just can not see it forgetting who we are. We are just not losing look at how we are losing! If the does not make you go Hmmmmm then you are not Raven! Read the poem about the Raven, perhaps there will be some insight? But for now we have to ride with these punches and hope that our curse will be lifted? every team has there moments and our past has given us a good ride. I think at least we can endure the pain after all Raven has given us joy!

A little to deep for me. We just don't have enough impact players.

Take some college courses and learn read about you teams history? This is not the first time we have been through this

[araveninwaconc]

Reading all these articles with so many opinions, but I thought the most simple thing has been over looked! Flacco holds the ball too long! If there is pressure on a three step drop then plays should be designed for a two step drop? Does this make sense? Brady does it! Rivers does it Breeze does it, Carr does it Rodgers does it. It would make the most idea to me to make quicker routes? Hell stay in shot gun with shorter routes! Its that simple!

[haarvik]

Flacco knows he is safe and not going anywhere any time soon. Raven's made a mistake in paying him $120M! I'm tired of hearing every excuse with the exception that Flacco needs to be benched for a reality check! He is afraid to get hit and it shows. Other teams know this and they work hard to make him feel he is in danger of getting plastered on every single play. They see the film, they know. Want top beat the Ravens? Make Flacco uncomfortable! It's an easy recipe for success! It's time Harbs made an example of him like he did with Trestman.

Bench Flacco!!!

[dirtybird66]

well,he could help himself out like alot of qb's i saw on sunday,by not being a statue,they could design a few roll outs or half roll outs,in 9 years he hasn't developed any pocket awareness,he always looks like a deer in the headlights and whenever hit,drops the ball,so with a qb that can't move,defenses can just pick a spot and meet at the qb every play,so with a rookie line he's doomed! very simple fix like i said,design a few rollout plays like BIG BEN or design a couple qb running plays,even if it gets a few yards,it puts defenses on a little bit of uncertainty.and oh yeah,bring back JOSH JOHNSON,if only to run the ball a bit.

[RavenLunatic]

FO is to blame here. Everyone knows the game is won or lost in the trenches and the FO has done very little to provide quality depth on the lines, both O and D. Might be time for E.D. to take over as GM.

[nj_ravens]

well,he could help himself out like alot of qb's i saw on sunday,by not being a statue,they could design a few roll outs or half roll outs,in 9 years he hasn't developed any pocket awareness,he always looks like a deer in the headlights and whenever hit,drops the ball,so with a qb that can't move,defenses can just pick a spot and meet at the qb every play,so with a rookie line he's doomed! very simple fix like i said,design a few rollout plays like BIG BEN or design a couple qb running plays,even if it gets a few yards,it puts defenses on a little bit of uncertainty.and oh yeah,bring back JOSH JOHNSON,if only to run the ball a bit.

"they could design a few roll outs or half roll outs" like we used to do with playaction....have to run the ball to do that. 12 attempts won't cut it.

"and oh yeah,bring back JOSH JOHNSON,if only to run the ball a bit." That's a waste of a roster spot. You're going to take away a special teams player/depth LB or CB for a 3rd qb and some gimmick plays? No.

[nj_ravens]

FO is to blame here. Everyone knows the game is won or lost in the trenches and the FO has done very little to provide quality depth on the lines, both O and D. Might be time for E.D. to take over as GM.

They shouldn't have kept Hurst and they should have gotten a backup center. But did well to draft Stanley AND Lewis.

FO acknowledged that they were unhappy with last few drafts, and then hit on several picks in this draft. Not time to move on just yet.

[nj_ravens]

Flacco knows he is safe and not going anywhere any time soon. Raven's made a mistake in paying him $120M! I'm tired of hearing every excuse with the exception that Flacco needs to be benched for a reality check! He is afraid to get hit and it shows. Other teams know this and they work hard to make him feel he is in danger of getting plastered on every single play. They see the film, they know. Want top beat the Ravens? Make Flacco uncomfortable! It's an easy recipe for success! It's time Harbs made an example of him like he did with Trestman.

Bench Flacco!!!

Or you could actually run the ball and use play action. Imagine that.

[nj_ravens]

  5 hours ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

  5 hours ago, Crusader said:

That's what happens when your taking most of the salery cap. Technically, Joe is getting paid for getting beat up. Not all smiles now is it?

Look at the salary of say the top 15 QB's and then look at the drop off in talent after that. Tell me who you think we should have as a Qb with what you would be willing to pay them. Because if Flacco didn't get that contract from the Ravens he would have gotten it from another team then we would have one of those bottom tier QB's. Is he playing to his potential, hell no but he's got no offensive line whatsoever, he's either getting hit or pressured on almost every pass, he's coming off an ACL surgery (see point 1 again about not having any protection), receivers are not getting separation and when Joe finally does make a good throw these guys can't catch!! Two deep balls hit Perriman in the hands and (1) he drops and the other doesn't get his foot down. At this point he's a disappointment - 1 catch against the Jets and then disappears.

http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2016/

I could not agree more that Perriman is a bust. He has no strength where is the speed db push him around block him out no football extra skills just run is all he does?

He's essentially a rookie. There's still a lot to learn, and a lot to coach. But, you can't teach speed.

[nj_ravens]

  4 hours ago, whobilly said:

  15 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

  15 hours ago, whobilly said:

No doubt Joe deserves some heat. Bottom line is that our horrible drafts over the last seven to eight years are finally catching up to us.

Kick rocks the Ravens are known for their drafting around the league! Because Joe can't finish drives do not go after Ozzie and Co! Nope Nope Nope!

I'll give Stanley the benefit of the doubt and project him to be an impact player(hopefully) CJ Mosley, Yanda, Brandon Williams(maybe) and KO who took the Raiders money(as all players should.) I may be missing a player or two but give me the REAL IMPACT Players we've drafted since 2009, NOT the ROSTER FILLERS as we have far to many of them. Your turn.

Every time we do get some body impactful after their rookie contract is up they go else where?

and then how productive are they after they get paid? How many comp picks have turn into players? Look beyond the present.

[nj_ravens]

Flacco's fundamentals are horrible...back foot throws, inaccurate throws, falling to the turf and trying to throw when the guy isn't close to you. Just feeling pressure got him tap dancing smh. Is it me or does Joe not see these blitzes coming. If I can see it from home then he has to see but he never audibles and goes with the play that's called..i don't understand it. Since week 1 teams has been blitzing us but it seems the team isn't making the adjustments like making proper protections or running quicker routes. What about a screen pass? Something!!! All Harbs says is we gotta get better...well you been saying that for the past 4 weeks now.

"If I can see it from home then he has to see but he never audibles and goes with the play that's called..i don't understand it."

You have a MUCH different perspective than him. You can see stuff that he can't just because you have a top view. "If I can see it then he can see it" is wrong.

I agree he needs to do better pre-snap. Whether that is the fault of coaching, gameplan, or Joe straight not seeing it is another question.

[nj_ravens]

  2 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  15 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  15 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

  15 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  16 hours ago, Raven1995 said:

  16 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  17 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

Joe is 27-27 since signing his big contract. Elite he is NOT. Elite QB's don't need a tee shirt with their face on it to be elite. Why the uproar now? He has been sucking the last 4 years since the Super Bowl. The Offense has stalled all of those years and the problem is nothing new just worse this year. We are not going anywhere. The problem existed prior to Joe's injury so for me that is not an excuse.

Agree 100%. All these Flacco apologists. This guy was always bad. He was carried purely by a great play making defense from day 1 when he became a starter. He played great in the 2012 playoffs. That's the rare time that he was good.
Can the Oline be better? Surely Ozzie blew it once again. In the FO thinking, you can't have 2 great oline men because it would cost too much, so they signed Yanda and let KO walk but gave a below average QB a record deal. But they expect a great performance from the line. This FO is not what it's cracked up to be.

I think they pat each other on the back when they meet. Ugh!

He played Great in the 2014 Playoffs and scored 28 points against your vaunted Patriots, so get your facts straight or find aanother team to root for.

When he is benched I hope you find another team to root for.
Here's his stat since 2012 65 TDs 52 Ints; when you remove the so called 2014 season he has 38 TDs 40 Ints
In the meantime he has had 2 $120M + contracts

Some people don't like facts they just like talking out the side of their necks!

Actually you have not provided any facts other than that Flacco scored 28 points in the 2014 AFC championship gave against the Patriots. The other fact you don't have is that he threw a costly int on the final minute of that game.
You and I who is going by facts or emotions?

You Forgot to say that the defense sucked and couldn't hold a 21 point lead, and 2 14 point leads. I'll agree on Joe not coming back late in games if you agree that the Defense didn't hold leads in 2014 and 2016?

How can you say Joe doesn't come back late in games?

Ravens vs, Raiders

5 minutes left in 4th Quarter, Joe leads team to Touchdown to take lead. Defense blows it by letting Crabtree score. Joe drives team down to set up winning FG - throws a perfect pass that hits Aiken in the numbers that he drops. He catches - we win the game. 2 game winning drives in 4th quarter.

Ravens vs. Redskins

2:33 left in 4th quarter, Joe leads team from own 17 down the field for game winning touchdown to Perriman. Perriman doesn't get feet down. Wallace drops 1st down ball to keep the drive alive.

Ravens vs. Giants

5 minutes left in 4th quarter, Joe leads team to Touchdown to take the lead with 2 minutes left. Defense gives up score to Odell. Joe then drives team down to Giants 24 but comes up short.

The way I see it, Joe won 2 of those games, the defense gave away both of those.

Thank you! People just look at the end, but you're right. Joe WON those games.

And don't forget Harbaugh's gaffe not taking the penalty. Not just the defense's fault.

[nj_ravens]

  14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

  15 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  15 hours ago, CQ1 said:

  16 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

They can make all the Excuses they want I am not buying it. Not drinking the purple kool aid either. Joe has gotten (2) Offensive Coordinators fired and the problem still persists. Let's see if Mallete can do a better job when Joe starts sucking and throwing off his back foot sit him and let's someone else have a try.

Roger that, Palm Bay.....Its time for a Raven Revolution. Lets all round up the stale, old purple kool-aid and go dump it in the inner harbor. We are tired of it. Picket signs ?......

This past Sunday was the best time to sit Joe, given his recent shoulder issue. With this week off it would have been a great time to rest Joe before Pittsburgh. With the Jets being a supposed bad team, why was Mallett not considered ? I believe that the brass is more concerned about a qb controversy than actually having a chance to win the game.

Because Mallet sucks.....watch the Hard Knocks season - that's the guy you want as your QB? lol. There is a reason he's been dumped by 2 teams already.

Which doesn't say much then if he's our back-up - another well thought out succession plan by the FO, huh?

It's not a succession plan. Mallett isn't the "heir apparent" to Flacco. We don't need one of those for another 2-3 years when Flacco's contract dies down.

He's a backup. Someone who can win when called upon, talented, but isn't dependable enough to be the starter for more than a year.

[nj_ravens]

Just as, about 25 ex Ravens D players, who have gone on to sign ridiculous, overpaid contracts with other teams, never to be heard from again, Self Righteous John and Far Below Average Joe, owe their bloated, Ravens contracts to Ray Lewis. I didn't really believe that, when he retired, but it is absolutely evident now. Both of these guys have totally unraveled since then. FBAJ has never been good, only average for five years. A lifetime 83% rating attests to that. And SRJ, does not only not try to help his players win, he makes one ridiculous decision after another, to stall any momentum this team has, each and every game. I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming everything on this team for it's dismal effort, except FBAJ!!

Because real fans try to figure out WHY Joe is struggling, why the team is struggling, instead of just blaming.

Nobody is denying that Joe is playing poorly. Nobody. He needs to play better

Dude won us a Superbowl, and don't tell me that was all Ray. It wasn't. Ray had nothing to do with the offense. Harbaugh barely did, and Caldwell barely did. You know who ran that offense? Joe did. If you odn't see that, then idk what you're watching. So if he's playing badly now, WHY? It can't be "just because" out of nowhere.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Just get healthy please.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Flacco knows he is safe and not going anywhere any time soon. Raven's made a mistake in paying him $120M! I'm tired of hearing every excuse with the exception that Flacco needs to be benched for a reality check! He is afraid to get hit and it shows. Other teams know this and they work hard to make him feel he is in danger of getting plastered on every single play. They see the film, they know. Want top beat the Ravens? Make Flacco uncomfortable! It's an easy recipe for success! It's time Harbs made an example of him like he did with Trestman.

Bench Flacco!!!

How about we bench you instead. Joe is coming off a bad injury and his offensive line is missing. He also does not have SSS and Perriman still has a lot to learn. Give it a rest and stop putting the blame on one person. This is a team sport and we will win or lose as a team.

[FloridalovesRavens]

It is an insult to call these losers NFL Offensive players. They watch Joe get knocked down and only Jensen STARTED to help pick him off the turf. Maybe there is more to this story than were lied about?

I think you are trying to open a can of worms which isn't there.

[drillem]

  21 hours ago, haarvik said:

Flacco knows he is safe and not going anywhere any time soon. Raven's made a mistake in paying him $120M! I'm tired of hearing every excuse with the exception that Flacco needs to be benched for a reality check! He is afraid to get hit and it shows. Other teams know this and they work hard to make him feel he is in danger of getting plastered on every single play. They see the film, they know. Want top beat the Ravens? Make Flacco uncomfortable! It's an easy recipe for success! It's time Harbs made an example of him like he did with Trestman.

Bench Flacco!!!

How about we bench you instead. Joe is coming off a bad injury and his offensive line is missing. He also does not have SSS and Perriman still has a lot to learn. Give it a rest and stop putting the blame on one person. This is a team sport and we will win or lose as a team.

"will win or lose as a team", well mostly lose would be more accurate. And the part about 'team', that is refutable.

[drillem]

  On 10/25/2016 at 3:46 AM, 20306cab said:

Just as, about 25 ex Ravens D players, who have gone on to sign ridiculous, overpaid contracts with other teams, never to be heard from again, Self Righteous John and Far Below Average Joe, owe their bloated, Ravens contracts to Ray Lewis. I didn't really believe that, when he retired, but it is absolutely evident now. Both of these guys have totally unraveled since then. FBAJ has never been good, only average for five years. A lifetime 83% rating attests to that. And SRJ, does not only not try to help his players win, he makes one ridiculous decision after another, to stall any momentum this team has, each and every game. I'm sick and tired of everyone blaming everything on this team for it's dismal effort, except FBAJ!!

Because real fans try to figure out WHY Joe is struggling, why the team is struggling, instead of just blaming.

Nobody is denying that Joe is playing poorly. Nobody. He needs to play better

Dude won us a Superbowl, and don't tell me that was all Ray. It wasn't. Ray had nothing to do with the offense. Harbaugh barely did, and Caldwell barely did. You know who ran that offense? Joe did. If you odn't see that, then idk what you're watching. So if he's playing badly now, WHY? It can't be "just because" out of nowhere.

During the 2012 season you mention, Joe played inconsistent throughout the year and was above average in the playoffs. Just to remind you. There were games where other players 'willed' the team to win when they fell behind. To give Joe the credit for the wins is nonsense. He was part of the team. Flacco has never been what you would call totally reliable and his inconsistency has been evident throughout his career. He has always needed to rely on those around him to win as is normal on any team. Just to put things into perspective, Boldin went on a tear in more than one game that season to pull the Joe's fat out of the fire. It wan't all Joe Flacco who won games.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

On ‎10‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 10:47 AM, TheConquerorWorm said:

How can you say Joe doesn't come back late in games?

Ravens vs, Raiders

5 minutes left in 4th Quarter, Joe leads team to Touchdown to take lead. Defense blows it by letting Crabtree score. Joe drives team down to set up winning FG - throws a perfect pass that hits Aiken in the numbers that he drops. He catches - we win the game. 2 game winning drives in 4th quarter.

Ravens vs. Redskins

2:33 left in 4th quarter, Joe leads team from own 17 down the field for game winning touchdown to Perriman. Perriman doesn't get feet down. Wallace drops 1st down ball to keep the drive alive.

Ravens vs. Giants

5 minutes left in 4th quarter, Joe leads team to Touchdown to take the lead with 2 minutes left. Defense gives up score to Odell. Joe then drives team down to Giants 24 but comes up short.

The way I see it, Joe won 2 of those games, the defense gave away both of those.

Let's not forget the final drive in NE they he drove them down the field and hit Lee Evans with a perfect pass that he had in his hands and dropped in the end zone!!  Joe's performance has been sub-par this year but it's not just him man; No protection, no run game and a receiving squad that doesn't do anything but run deep routes.