[News] Late For Work 10/24: 7 Game Takeaways, Including Ravens Officially In Crisis Mode

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Walker: ‘Harbaugh is going to start taking real heat.’ Of all the Ravens’ problems, the offensive line is biggest issue. Rushing for just 6 yards is ‘embarrassing.’ Flacco looked like a ‘shaken man.’ Ravens may not be able to trust Hester much longer.

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[Dorota]

How exactly do you propose offense scores when Flacco is getting so beat up that for a moment I couldn't tell him apart from Ryan Tannerhill?

We really really really need Yanda and Stanley back. And I'm not even talking about need them to win some games, I mean we need them so that by end of season there are no little Flacco orphans.

He's a tough guy generally, but he was playing so scared it was cringeworthy.

[Ravensfansince03]

We are even worse than last year.

[The Mom Gene]

12 minutes ago, Dorota said:

How exactly do you propose offense scores when Flacco is getting so beat up that for a moment I couldn't tell him apart from Ryan Tannerhill?

We really really really need Yanda and Stanley back. And I'm not even talking about need them to win some games, I mean we need them so that by end of season there are no little Flacco orphans.

He's a tough guy generally, but he was playing so scared it was cringeworthy.

YUP....

[The Mom Gene]

This sounds like "scapegoat talk", but it's not. I saw to no-call PI's by the Jets yesterday, a no-call facemask on Kenneth Dixon too. A couple of ticky tack holding penalties, even though I know that we are committing some too. But officiating is horrendous. Bruce Arians is right. And the NFL better get a handle on it. All of the changes that this game has faced (including the CBA) is causing a ratings plummet.

[Ravensfansince03]

How exactly do you propose offense scores when Flacco is getting so beat up that for a moment I couldn't tell him apart from Ryan Tannerhill?

We really really really need Yanda and Stanley back. And I'm not even talking about need them to win some games, I mean we need them so that by end of season there are no little Flacco orphans.

He's a tough guy generally, but he was playing so scared it was cringeworthy.

Then that's a problem with the QB. Idk how long people will give Flacco excuses. A good QB makes plays even when the odds are against him. I honestly don't know any other way to explain it besides saying Flacco has been consistently getting worse. He has no fire, no leadership, we are in a bad spot. If I was an advisor to Ozzie Newsome we would not be in this position we are in now. This isn;t something that happened overnight, this is the result of years of poor tweaking and decision making by Harbaugh.

[TheRavengers]

25 minutes ago, Dorota said:

How exactly do you propose offense scores when Flacco is getting so beat up that for a moment I couldn't tell him apart from Ryan Tannerhill?

We really really really need Yanda and Stanley back. And I'm not even talking about need them to win some games, I mean we need them so that by end of season there are no little Flacco orphans.

He's a tough guy generally, but he was playing so scared it was cringeworthy.

I actually thought he was still hurt with his shoulder acting up, but then I remembered him making some excellent long throws. Maybe he didn't believe the O-line could protect him. That being said, there were times when he made some really awful throws, throws that even a blind person could make.

[Ravensfansince03]

Why do they keep mentioning whether we are still in position to win the division? Seems like they are trying to set fans up for a bigger disappointment. Why not just be honest and say that this team has huge problems, starting with the mentality of this team, which is out of whack. The identity of this team has gotten LAZY under coach Harbaugh's questionable leadership.

[Dorota]

5 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

This sounds like "scapegoat talk", but it's not. I saw to no-call PI's by the Jets yesterday, a no-call facemask on Kenneth Dixon too. A couple of ticky tack holding penalties, even though I know that we are committing some too. But officiating is horrendous. Bruce Arians is right. And the NFL better get a handle on it. All of the changes that this game has faced (including the CBA) is causing a ratings plummet.

Don't forget the late hit on Flacco, when he was already in the white. That and the facemask were most attrocious.

[The Greek]

the roster says it all

[The Mom Gene]

5 minutes ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

21 minutes ago, Dorota said:

How exactly do you propose offense scores when Flacco is getting so beat up that for a moment I couldn't tell him apart from Ryan Tannerhill?

We really really really need Yanda and Stanley back. And I'm not even talking about need them to win some games, I mean we need them so that by end of season there are no little Flacco orphans.

He's a tough guy generally, but he was playing so scared it was cringeworthy.

Then that's a problem with the QB. Idk how long people will give Flacco excuses. A good QB makes plays even when the odds are against him. I honestly don't know any other way to explain it besides saying Flacco has been consistently getting worse. He has no fire, no leadership, we are in a bad spot. If I was an advisor to Ozzie Newsome we would not be in this position we are in now. This isn;t something that happened overnight, this is the result of years of poor tweaking and decision making by Harbaugh.

Yeah, it's on the QB. That's always the answer for some of the members here. It just can't ever be anything else. If we listened to many folks here, we'd have fired Trestman, Fired Pees, Fired Harbaugh, Gotten rid of Ozzie,  traded Flacco, benched half this team, and guess what folks.... We'd still be losing games... There is one consistent problem we have had for quite a few YEARS... A BANGED UP O-Line -----v

[hen826957]

We stink period. Who else we could beat if we couldn't beat a 1-5 Jets team; maybe Browns but we have lost to the Browns at M&T Bank last year so we might get them thier first win. I have lost confidence in my team now. I just don't see how it's gonna change this season.

[RaRaRavens]

This sounds like "scapegoat talk", but it's not. I saw to no-call PI's by the Jets yesterday, a no-call facemask on Kenneth Dixon too. A couple of ticky tack holding penalties, even though I know that we are committing some too. But officiating is horrendous. Bruce Arians is right. And the NFL better get a handle on it. All of the changes that this game has faced (including the CBA) is causing a ratings plummet.

Which ones you mean by the "ticky tack holding penalties"?

Cause the one that that wiped out the 52-yard run was pretty much one of the easiest calls to make. West would have probably been tackled after 4-5 yards, if Lewis had not been holding on of the D-lineman for dear life, preventing him from turning the shoulder or even raising an arm to stop West.

Though the missed facemask and PI on Wallace were mind-boggling, I must admit that much. But again, we should not be in that kind of situation to begin with, where bad officiating can cost us the game.

[Ravensfansince03]

I was studying for an exam while I was watching the game simultaneously. My attention was much more on my exam than the game, but everytime I turned to the television and saw what was happening I just couldn't believe how noncompetitive this team has become. Actually, if you guys want to know the truth, I'm not shocked because I said years ago that Harbaugh was the problem. From his roster decision making, allowing sorry players to stay on this team taking up space, and let alone not giving Daniel Brown a fair shot. I guess our so called "Experts" will begin to see what I saw years ago. Anyone can check my post history and see I've said for years "Harbaugh took the credit from Ray Lewis." He's a good guy, but a poor HC.

[gr2522]

If we want to find a "scapegoat" to blame for the offensive woes then we can turn and look at Joe Flacco who seems to have a scared look on his face on every play. The real problem is the lack of an o-line which has failed to protect Flacco and open up running lanes for our backs. Who coaches the o-line, Juan Castillo? Can't blame him either for working with a patched up line leaking all over the place. Then who's to blame. Ask yourselves, who would Trump yell at saying "your fired"? I would start at the top looking at Ozzie and John. Who would you fire??? Go Ravens!!!!!

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Really no arguments whatsoever to this article. Everything is 100% real and true. Ravens organization should be embarrassed to lose to a 1-5 team and 4 losses in a row.

[bioLarzen]

When Harbaugh fired Trestman, he said he didn't like where the O was and didn't feel things would be getting better if Trestman stayed.

Well... I don't think anybody likes where the whole Ravens team is right now, and I don't think we feel it's looking like it's gonna get any better... In fact, it's going like the games themselves usually go this season: The Ravens starting strong, then fade, and things go south faster than a Flacco-bomb...

So...?

Edited October 24, 2016 by bioLarzen

[RailBird]

Flacco is playing scared and uncomfortable. He's holding on to the football way too long (which can also be blamed on wide receivers not getting open, ever) and seems to have lost whatever was left of his pocket presence. The amount of under or overthrown balls is just insane, especially to wide open receivers.
Like I said in an other article. Maybe just try a start Mallett after the bye and see how that works out. It's close to impossible to make things even worse and you can get a good look on where the problem really lies. If he can somehow get this offense going it's clear that Flacco is not healthy enough to play and if he doesn't we at least know it can't all be blamed on Flacco's mediocre play.

[Raven1995]

6 Yards Rushing. How Come nobody is talking about Zuttah. Even the commentators were talking about him stepping on Joes feet, and being pushed back on almost every play. We need Yanda and Stanley back, but we need to replace Zuttah with Jensen or Urschel.

[Nick04263]

I noted two personal fouls and 1 PI that should have been called in our favor. That said, we were terrible and deserved to lose. This season is just about done, if not already. Maybe we can go for another top 10 pick in the draft again that will sit out most of his rookie year as well.

[Ravenshine]

This sounds like "scapegoat talk", but it's not. I saw to no-call PI's by the Jets yesterday, a no-call facemask on Kenneth Dixon too. A couple of ticky tack holding penalties, even though I know that we are committing some too. But officiating is horrendous. Bruce Arians is right. And the NFL better get a handle on it. All of the changes that this game has faced (including the CBA) is causing a ratings plummet.

I noticed the same too. Very hands off refs...weren't calling anything unless it was really obvious. And even if it was really obvious in some cases. So we didn't get any breaks on penalties that would help us...but there sure were some committed. Wasn't there one with Pitta in endzone and his arm was held on the play? Hey we need all the help we can get and so refs spotting the penalties more often sure would have been nice. Doesn't excuse the playing, but still...missed calls did happen.

[Raven1995]

If we want to find a "scapegoat" to blame for the offensive woes then we can turn and look at Joe Flacco who seems to have a scared look on his face on every play. The real problem is the lack of an o-line which has failed to protect Flacco and open up running lanes for our backs. Who coaches the o-line, Juan Castillo? Can't blame him either for working with a patched up line leaking all over the place. Then who's to blame. Ask yourselves, who would Trump yell at saying "your fired"? I would start at the top looking at Ozzie and John. Who would you fire??? Go Ravens!!!!!

Ozzie is untouchable. He has made mistakes but the only way he is leaving is when he Retires. Harbaugh has at the least the rest of the Year. Castillo needs to be replaced, Devon Hester released, and Zuttah put on the Bench. We Need Stanley, Steve Smith, Mosley, Suggs, Dumervil and Yanda back after the Bye.

[eze17]

Why do they keep mentioning whether we are still in position to win the division? Seems like they are trying to set fans up for a bigger disappointment. Why not just be honest and say that this team has huge problems, starting with the mentality of this team, which is out of whack. The identity of this team has gotten LAZY under coach Harbaugh's questionable leadership.

Just look at the standings...other than the Patriots, there's no other team in the AFC that looks even remotely dominating. Truth be told, there's really no team in the NFC, except maybe Dallas, that would meet the definition of above average...This is a weird year for the NFL, all those years of wanting parity and they've finally gotten their wish: which is boring, sub-standard football.

So as far as I can see, even though the Raven's are stinking up the joint, it only takes a mini hot streak to climb right back into things. (how many people had written off the Bills? the Chargers? even the awful Texans are still in the race...) Not saying they can pull it off, but like it or not, Baltimore is still in contention. Even if they are a sloppy team. Welcome to the new NFL, where any and every team lingers on like slow moving zombies...

[merryjman]

It seems pretty obvious that:

1) with our two best O linemen, both the running and passing games get a lot better. 

2) with CJ Mosley missing, our protection across the middle is bad.

3) With Suggs & Dumervil hurt, we have zero pass rush.

4) With safeties and returners who are way past their prime, they're going to look embarrassing compared to their great years.

5) Joe Flacco is a mediocre QB but - like every other QB in the league - can play great when he has good protection.

So it follows that when the players mentioned in 1) through 5) are missing or hurt, we will lose to a 1-5 team.

 

 

[eze17]

And I really need to get it off my chest, but the refereeing this year is absolutely attrocious...not just against the Raven's but all across the board in every game. I mean, is this what the NFL is mandating now? Unexcusable, really, really rotten officiating that is taking away from the game's enjoyment. Another reason ratings are tanking...

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

This sounds like "scapegoat talk", but it's not. I saw to no-call PI's by the Jets yesterday, a no-call facemask on Kenneth Dixon too. A couple of ticky tack holding penalties, even though I know that we are committing some too. But officiating is horrendous. Bruce Arians is right. And the NFL better get a handle on it. All of the changes that this game has faced (including the CBA) is causing a ratings plummet.

I agree, ratings are far down and officiating is a huge part of it. The no call PI in the end zone against Wallace exemplifies this.

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

Then that's a problem with the QB. Idk how long people will give Flacco excuses. A good QB makes plays even when the odds are against him. I honestly don't know any other way to explain it besides saying Flacco has been consistently getting worse. He has no fire, no leadership, we are in a bad spot. If I was an advisor to Ozzie Newsome we would not be in this position we are in now. This isn;t something that happened overnight, this is the result of years of poor tweaking and decision making by Harbaugh.

We should all hold final judgements at seasons end. I do genuinely agree as legit QBs despite weapons, run games or lines will make plays. Just look at Brees, Rivers, Big Ben, Brady, etc. Those guys even when getting pounded on or face consist drops from their weapons still keep their team in the game. Flacco has been rattled like a middle school football player who thinks he can play with the varsity team. His mechanics are off, he never plants his foot anymore, under pressure he either holds on and gets rocked or just chucks it, mostly as a check down. He has no passion and doesn't get anyone fired up. All that guaranteed money we gave him.....?

[whobilly]

Season O-V-E-R. The horrible drafts from the last seven to eight years are finally catching up to us. Not enough IMPACT Players. To many roster fillers.

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

Yeah, it's on the QB. That's always the answer for some of the members here. It just can't ever be anything else. If we listened to many folks here, we'd have fired Trestman, Fired Pees, Fired Harbaugh, Gotten rid of Ozzie,  traded Flacco, benched half this team, and guess what folks.... We'd still be losing games... There is one consistent problem we have had for quite a few YEARS... A BANGED UP O-Line -----v

Sometimes overpaying can prevent certain problems. KO is deeply missed as we have 0 nastiness with Yanda out

[Drew P]

14 minutes ago, merryjman said:

It seems pretty obvious that:

1) with our two best O linemen, both the running and passing games get a lot better. 

2) with CJ Mosley missing, our protection across the middle is bad.

3) With Suggs & Dumervil hurt, we have zero pass rush.

4) With safeties and returners who are way past their prime, they're going to look embarrassing compared to their great years.

5) Joe Flacco is a mediocre QB but - like every other QB in the league - can play great when he has good protection.

So it follows that when the players mentioned in 1) through 5) are missing or hurt, we will lose to a 1-5 team.

 

 

I thought the pass protection was okay considering Zuttah was manhandled on every single play...the issue on offense is there is no attempt at balance.

The secondary has no interest in tackling they were waiting for someone else to make plays while they were spectating.