Time to Play the Young Guys??

[kjbmore]

Should we constructively tank the rest of the season??

Put all our picks and younger fringe guys on the park and let them play.

Get Perriman, Moore, Waller, Dixon, Correa, Judon, Henry, Elam, Canady etc out there

After today - does anybody realistically have expectations for a Super Bowl this year or next.

As much as its disrespectful and I hate to do it to guys like Steve and Suggs - we have nothing to gain as a franchise from playing them - as for guys like Webb, Hester, Wright, Powers, Arrington, Lewis, not going to be able help us moving forward.

Borderline throw in guys like Aiken and McClellan - need to just have our picks in their getting snaps.

Weve just lost four in a row to a handful of teams who 3 or 4 of them probably aren't even making the playoffs.

Im looking at big boards and mocks already

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Ummm nooo we have alot of issues but so does every team in our division. We can still win the division.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Close this thread. No professional team is gonna tank. Maybe the Sixers. Trust the process. Even if everyone agreed that we should, who cares. They're gonna keep trying to win games. Case closed.

Edited October 24, 2016 by RavensPunkXVX

[ALPHA]

No to tanking, it breeds an apathetic quitter mentality. But I'd like to see us make trades for draft picks.

[Moderator 2]

Never!----Never quit!!

 

 

[K-Dog]

no

No

NO

NO !!!!!!

The very thought it stupid and embarrassing.   It is week seven.  
If the Ravens actually do this, I PROMISE I will no longer be a Ravens fan.
It is the most amateuristic, unprofessional, childish, sorry excuse for a professional football team, decision a team could ever make. 

[The Raven]

6 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Should we constructively tank the rest of the season??

Put all our picks and younger fringe guys on the park and let them play.

Get Perriman, Moore, Waller, Dixon, Correa, Judon, Henry, Elam, Canady etc out there

After today - does anybody realistically have expectations for a Super Bowl this year or next.

As much as its disrespectful and I hate to do it to guys like Steve and Suggs - we have nothing to gain as a franchise from playing them - as for guys like Webb, Hester, Wright, Powers, Arrington, Lewis, not going to be able help us moving forward.

Borderline throw in guys like Aiken and McClellan - need to just have our picks in their getting snaps.

Weve just lost four in a row to a handful of teams who 3 or 4 of them probably aren't even making the playoffs.

Im looking at big boards and mocks already

Do you have any sense of pride or dignity? Tanking is a weak thing to do. It's pathetic.

[atomicfront]

No but unless they get their offensive line healthy the losing will continue. 

[JoeyFlex5]

nah. last year i wanted to see us shake it up and experiment with guys who werent getting on the field, but thats not tanking, thats making changes to see if we have in-house  solutions, i even wanted to see us sit flacco at one point because i didnt want him getitng hurt with james hurst at LT(lolololol), and deep down i wanted us to lose once i realized the season was over, but i didnt want them just tanking it. i got excited about the will hill kick-six, i got excited about beating the steelers, but deep down i wanted us to lose one more game so we couldve gotten bosa or ramsey, however, right now, i like stanley better and i think it all worked out. 

right now, we likely wont win the division, or even a wild card, this may finally be the year the AFCN only has one playoff team. we arent good enough, this team is very far away from being a winner, he lack the smarts, discipline, mentality, all of it. our team looks like amateurs, a lot of it is because were half 2nd and 3rd stringers due to injury for the 3rd year straight, but a lot of it is also just a lack of discipline. we should prepare ourselves for a good number of bad years and some wasted talent, because we could very well be picking in the top 15 for the next 5 or so years and maybe sneak into the playoffs once.

im ok with us falling from grace, we had an awesome run that resulted in a super bowl and the 2 best rivalries of the past decade with us, the patriots, and the steelers. we had a ridiculous number of high drama, nailbiting, cliffhanger games, the nation saw us win on primetime quite often, they saw joe prove them and the media wrong over and over by winning in clutch moments, they wached angrily as we torched every team we faced on the way to a super bowl win. we had a 8 year run that so many teams desperately wish to have, everyone falls off at some point, its our turn, but i know we'll be back one day.

[sflegend89]

Same boat as last year. You never TRY to tank, but as a fan I hope we pretty much lose out. We aren't a good team, bottom line. We need a major overhaul, major overhaul starts with high draft picks and more cap space. 

It's SB or bust, we aren't even in the same hemisphere as a playoff team, let alone a SB team. Stanley was a big piece for us to get long term, we need another big time 1st round pick this year.

The scary thing is last year we were confident we had a franchise QB for the foreseeable future. I'm a long time Flacco supporter but I think him and Harbaugh jumped the shark. Don't be surprised if we take a QB in round 2 or 3. Try to find the next Derek Carr or Dak Prescott. Even if they have to sit next year behind Flacco.

[kjbmore]

Not calling for a flat out try to lose - if we put our young guys out and we win, go hard.

We are where we are because we're hanging on to players and driving them into the ground whilst adding complementary pieces - thinking we're a couple players away from a SB

we can't even beat a 1-5 side or the redskins at home

guyd like Correa, Judon and ZDS are our future OLB - play them

Moore and Perriman should be taking snaps over Aiken and Smith

moore or even tavon young should be returning 

need to start looking forward and stop looking backwards - since our SB we don't look good

i didn't say stop trying or lose on purpose - I suggested a youth movement and we live with the results good or bad - with an eye to developing our young guys so we are competing for a SB in 2 or 3 year window

[jjengel]

I don't really understand the question.  clearly this is the easy part of the schedule and we are playing this bad and cannot win.  so to ask if we purposely tank is crazy.  we just keep playing how we have been and you'll get your results.

that is a joke.

we have issues and if by week 7 harbs and the team cant' fix them, then we are pretty much hosed.  what is disappointing is we don't really have any recent success in the draft save for mosley.  other than that, it is pretty sad.

back to the topic, you never purposely tank.  we need to see who we have, who to keep.  we need better scouts.  the draft is a crapshoot and it's not like we've been hitting it out of the park.  one high draft pick won't make a difference with all of the holes this team needs to fill.

I really hate that the pats are consistently good and really who do they have?  they seem to make it work somehow.  i was tempted to root for the steelers today just b/c I really don't have the optimism some fans have, and wanted to see brady lose.  however i am happy the steelers lost.  

it seems like to me the ravens say they want to be this deep downfield threat, but we're not.  we'll get one deep pass per game.  but what is the point? unless that goes for a td, we can't seem to punch it in.  it's sad. there is no creativity.  i can't stand on 3rd and 6 we go for a long bomb that is not remotely close.  just get the first down.  seems like either a screen pass for a loss or a long pass that has no chance.

i want to have optimism but we've played the lower quality teams for the most part,except for the raiders and bills perhaps and we've really shown nothing.  i don't know who these ravens are and it is not fun when your team stinks.  i haven't enjoyed one single game this year.  we could easily be 0-7.  

i guess it's good that our division stinks and is still up for the taking, but nothing shows that we can compete. our schedule moving forward is dreadful and i don't want to rely on what other teams do.  there's no killer instinct and that is not ravens football.

i hope i'm wrong but we have major issues on all sides of the ball

 

[BmoreCOfan52]

Would you really have any faith in this teams draft ability even if we did tank for a high pick? We fight on and for gods sake put Mallet in if Joe's injured! Anythings better than an injured Joe and the same excuse every time we lose "If only Joe was healthy"

[kjbmore]

1 minute ago, BmoreCOfan52 said:

Would you really have any faith in this teams draft ability even if we did tank for a high pick? We fight on and for gods sake put Mallet in if Joe's injured! Anythings better than an injured Joe and the same excuse every time we lose "If only Joe was healthy"

No that's a great point - we aren't doing much with our picks anyway 

maybe we do need a regime change

wonder what bisciottis thinking

[kennethyamini1989]

Harbs isnt going to tank..his job is on the line lol. 

[Ravensfan23]

This team had how many starters missing the last 2 games? They are heading into a bye hoping to get those starters back, especially on the oline. They are entering into a game vs Steelers that no matter what the Bengals do next week will have 1st place of the North on the line. The Ravens have a current 3 game winning streak vs the Steeler and have won 4 of the last 5. So even though things seem bad right now, this team shouldn't be thinking about quitting. 

[ALPHA]

53 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

No but unless they get their offensive line healthy the losing will continue. 

This. We always stall we when we try to self medicate our oline issues.

[Willbacker]

We're one game behind in the AFCNorth and we're talking bout time to tank. Damn man talking bout stepping off the deep edge. Personally I don't worry about draft picks. The 15th pick can be just as good as the 5th pick if not better, Critical thing is carrying positivity over into the next season and developing a winning attitude.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

We're one game behind in the AFCNorth and we're talking bout time to tank. Damn man talking bout stepping off the deep edge. Personally I don't worry about draft picks. The 15th pick can be just as good as the 5th pick if not better, Critical thing is carrying positivity over into the next season and developing a winning attitude.

Some team is gonna draft Myles Garrett next year, we're gonna be hoping Correa pans out as an edge rusher. 

High picks are coveted for a reason. 

Doesn't mean lose on purpose though.

[terrynjulia03]

No to tanking on purpose. I think the process is going to take care of itself. However the silver lining is that Castillo and Pees could and probably will be gone after this year. I don't want to hear the excuse of patchwork line, it's been 2 weeks. They're all professionals or they wouldn't be in the league, if you can't get them to play better together than what they showed the past 2 weeks, well sorry but you're time has obviously come and gone. Press has sucked every since he got here. We won the SB because of other players, not due to Pees, and this year everyone has been commenting about our D rankings, well it's slowly gone down week after week. Stop with the we have a top 5 D and so Pees is doing his job. Well now we fell out of that and no he wasn't, we just played weak offenses. Now he gets exposed. 

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, kjbmore said:

Should we constructively tank the rest of the season??

Put all our picks and younger fringe guys on the park and let them play.

Get Perriman, Moore, Waller, Dixon, Correa, Judon, Henry, Elam, Canady etc out there

After today - does anybody realistically have expectations for a Super Bowl this year or next.

As much as its disrespectful and I hate to do it to guys like Steve and Suggs - we have nothing to gain as a franchise from playing them - as for guys like Webb, Hester, Wright, Powers, Arrington, Lewis, not going to be able help us moving forward.

Borderline throw in guys like Aiken and McClellan - need to just have our picks in their getting snaps.

Weve just lost four in a row to a handful of teams who 3 or 4 of them probably aren't even making the playoffs.

Im looking at big boards and mocks already

Dude!  We're all pissed over how our boys have been playing but to tank the rest of the season at 3-4 and coming off of our bye week?  Where is your heart man?  That is not the Ravens way!  We fight, kick, scratch and claw until the very end no matter how ugly it looks.  Man up son!  Man up!  

[Purple Nurple]

I'm really starting to hate coming here. TANK?!?!? These are men with at least a sliver of pride at this point. Get out of here with that nonsense. 

Edited October 24, 2016 by Purple Nurple
Derp

[Deflated Football]

Remember in our second Super Bowl season when we lost three in a row? Get everyone back healthy and we can sneak in to the playoffs where anything can happen

[kjbmore]

21 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Dude!  We're all pissed over how our boys have been playing but to tank the rest of the season at 3-4 and coming off of our bye week?  Where is your heart man?  That is not the Ravens way!  We fight, kick, scratch and claw until the very end no matter how ugly it looks.  Man up son!  Man up!  

Cool bud, see how we go after the bye - probably be on a 5 game losing streak and then we'll get the browns.

i never said stop trying but even the biggest homer surely doesn't think we can make a playoff run from here.

just play the kids and see what we've got

or scratch and fight tooth and nail with guys who will retire at the end of the season and then wonder in the offseason what we have 

delaying the inevitable - need to start assessing our young players and just giving them experience 

if we lose by 10 with our old guys or by 20 with our kids - were still not doing jack 

if it's with our kids, we're giving them in game experience, build some fortitude and see what we have in the cupboard

[usmccharles]

Another one of these... Jesus.  Says more about the op than anything else. 

[terps85]

I think the Ravens definitely need to start playing the younger players. The lack of playmakers on either side of the ball is killing this team. The only player that even has an argument to be considered a playmaker is Mosley (and maybe Jernigan). Give the young guys a shot and see what's there. I will say that it seems like the front office realized they weren't getting it done and made some changes because it seems like this rookie class is the best in recent years by far, and this is without any contributions from the 2nd and 3rd round picks. 

 

Edit: I feel like people are seeing the word "tank" and not even reading the post. All op is saying is that more reps should be given to younger players, not to lose on purpose. 

Edited October 24, 2016 by terps85

[kjbmore]

17 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Remember in our second Super Bowl season when we lost three in a row? Get everyone back healthy and we can sneak in to the playoffs where anything can happen

Cool let it play out, once were mathematically out of contention - play the kids. 

As for that run - How many HOF did we have on that side - we had a oline, we had a D, we had young guys working in tandem with old guys, we had guys who could make plays on offense, we had guys making plays on d

we went 12 - 4 the prior season whilst winning the division.

wake up, people need to be realistic 

Ill bump this thread at the end of the season when we're picking in the top 5 again

We need a rebuild, sooner Harbs n Co realise the quicker we can begin the process

[RavensDieHard21]

Time to wake up and smell the coffee people, a storm is coming and this organization is going to need to be gutted. The mantra of Raven football is dead. We have a mix of talented vets on their way out, a few red chip players that we will probably never pay because Ozzie is cheap and a bunch of young guys that flash one play and cost us the game on the next. We are the Browns now people. Get ready to call our stadium the dog pound 

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, terps85 said:

I think the Ravens definitely need to start playing the younger players. The lack of playmakers on either side of the ball is killing this team. The only player that even has an argument to be considered a playmaker is Mosley (and maybe Jernigan). Give the young guys a shot and see what's there. I will say that it seems like the front office realized they weren't getting it done and made some changes because it seems like this rookie class is the best in recent years by far, and this is without any contributions from the 2nd and 3rd round picks. 

 

Edit: I feel like people are seeing the word "tank" and not even reading the post. All op is saying is that more reps should be given to younger players, not to lose on purpose. 

We're losing games because we are relying more on younger players than we have in the past. Go look at our Super Bowl roster and tell me you see a bunch of young guys contributing. Part of the problem recently is we are trying to get younger, and have tried since the Super Bowl purge. While getting younger has its benefits, there are some significant drawbacks and we are now experiencing those drawbacks. Those are the growing pains associated with young, inexperienced players getting experience. Jimmy Smith, a 2011 first round pick, rarely saw the field as a rookie because of the veterans in front of him. People clamored for him to start, but he was eased along. Fast forward to today and people are raising pitch forks that Perriman hasn't made a huge impact after coming off of two injuries and haven't been removed from football for two training camps. Guys take time to develop, and when you have solid veterans in front of them, it makes their development easier. This is the problem of our current Ravens--our veterans quickly aged and injured while the youth is being forced to start. Pitta, Monroe, Webb, Suggs, Dumervil are reasons why this team is hurting and hurt in the past. 

[terps85]

25 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

We're losing games because we are relying more on younger players than we have in the past. Go look at our Super Bowl roster and tell me you see a bunch of young guys contributing. Part of the problem recently is we are trying to get younger, and have tried since the Super Bowl purge. While getting younger has its benefits, there are some significant drawbacks and we are now experiencing those drawbacks. Those are the growing pains associated with young, inexperienced players getting experience. Jimmy Smith, a 2011 first round pick, rarely saw the field as a rookie because of the veterans in front of him. People clamored for him to start, but he was eased along. Fast forward to today and people are raising pitch forks that Perriman hasn't made a huge impact after coming off of two injuries and haven't been removed from football for two training camps. Guys take time to develop, and when you have solid veterans in front of them, it makes their development easier. This is the problem of our current Ravens--our veterans quickly aged and injured while the youth is being forced to start. Pitta, Monroe, Webb, Suggs, Dumervil are reasons why this team is hurting and hurt in the past. 

They're losing games because the roster is just not that talented because of years of poor drafting. I'm not sure you even thought about what you said about the Super Bowl team, but you couldn't be more wrong. Flacco was in his 5th year, Rice isn't even 30 yet, Bernard Pierce was a rookie, Torrey Smith was young, Pitta in his 3rd year, Osemele was a rookie, Arthur Jones in his 3rd year, McPhee in his 2nd, Kruger still on his rookie deal, Upshaw was a rookie, Jimmy Smith a 2nd year player. And Jimmy Smith rarely saw the field his rookie year because he hurt his ankle on the opening kickoff. 

This team isn't bad because of players "aging quickly". It's bad because the front office drafted terribly in recent years and had to use the extra cap money to fix up their mistakes instead of make the team better (Weddle/Elam, Dumervil/Upshaw, Wallace/insane amount of failed receiver picks).