How do we fix the "Mental Mistakes" ?

[The Raven]

9 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Why don't you play offensive lineman and come back and tell us how simple it is.

 

I did play offensive line and I'm here to tell you that it's pretty simple to not hold. Holding isn't some mental mistake. It's a technical mistake. You only hold when your footwork sucks or your hand use sucks. 

For the record, I was never flagged for holding. False start, once, I'll admit, but never holding and never hands to the face, because my technique was on point.

Edited: Let me add that the holding call on Alex Lewis was complete BS. Sure, his left hand was outside the shoulder pads (there's that technique thing again), but Alex was driving him inside pretty strongly. That's just a crap call tbh. That's one of those times where piss poor technique gets you a penalty. Even though it wasn't holding, it looked like it was because of his hand placement. Refs don't call holding if the hands are inside the pads.

Edited October 28, 2016 by The Raven

[HoldingCall]

On 10/26/2016 at 5:20 PM, frozen joe flacco fan said:

Mental mistakes are the result of a lack of discipline. Physical mistakes are excusable; mental errors cannot be tolerated. What happened on Sunday to Timmy Jernigan was a classic example of a mental mistake. In his youthful exuberance, he just tried to do too much. He explained it by saying the next time he'd fall on the ball to keep peace in the family. Can you imagine what Ray Lewis would have said to Timmy? It might go something like this: "But Timmy, there may not be a next time. You are extremely fortunate to be playing on an NFL team. Play each game like its your last. Play lie a Raven." The mental errors that Joe Flacco made on the two interceptions were equally bad, if not worse. John Harbaugh puts up with too much nonsense IMO. We need a no nonsense coach. I don't blame Timmy or Joe for their complacency or exuberance. I blame their position coaches and their head coach. That's how "we" fix the mental mistakes! 

I strongly agree! Also, the mistackle on 3rd down that eventually led to a Jets first down and soon-after TD was a pivital play that turned the game. As for turning the season around, I believe the OL is the key. It allows for a better offense while keeping the our defense off the field. At the same time it keeps the opposing offense on the bench. It's unfortunate to admit but losing Osemele show the obvious! The replacements haven't lived up! Is it the failure to coach them up? When coaches voice frustration, it's a sign they haven't found the answer to solve a problem. They are much calmer when they know the answer. Hopefully the team can regroup. 

[VermontRaven]

8 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I did play offensive line and I'm here to tell you that it's pretty simple to not hold. Holding isn't some mental mistake. It's a technical mistake. You only hold when your footwork sucks or your hand use sucks. 

For the record, I was never flagged for holding. False start, once, I'll admit, but never holding and never hands to the face, because my technique was on point.

Were you playing against top-level NFL defenders on the biggest stage?  When a young lineman is thrown into the fire outside of the position he has trained for in the NFL--going against the game's best defenders--there are going to be some mistakes--both "mental" mistakes and "technical" mistakes because the game is coming at him WAAAY faster than he is used to.

[The Raven]

4 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Were you playing against top-level NFL defenders on the biggest stage?  When a young lineman is thrown into the fire outside of the position he has trained for in the NFL--going against the game's best defenders--there are going to be some mistakes--both "mental" mistakes and "technical" mistakes because the game is coming at him WAAAY faster than he is used to.

No, but I was a 5'7 190 pound guy that had never played a game at oline in my life and then had to block dudes that were 6'3 250 at least. I had played defense the first three years of my high school career and then all of a sudden ended up playing guard as a senior.

So yeah, I guess I was "a young lineman thrown into the fire outside of the position he has trained for."

I was playing guys at my level. Alex Lewis is playing guys at his level. And like I said anyway, that play wasn't holding.

One more thing: Technical mistakes aren't about the guys he's playing against. Technique is about you and you.

Edited October 28, 2016 by The Raven

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

I did play offensive line and I'm here to tell you that it's pretty simple to not hold. Holding isn't some mental mistake. It's a technical mistake. You only hold when your footwork sucks or your hand use sucks. 

For the record, I was never flagged for holding. False start, once, I'll admit, but never holding and never hands to the face, because my technique was on point.

Edited: Let me add that the holding call on Alex Lewis was complete BS. Sure, his left hand was outside the shoulder pads (there's that technique thing again), but Alex was driving him inside pretty strongly. That's just a crap call tbh. That's one of those times where piss poor technique gets you a penalty. Even though it wasn't holding, it looked like it was because of his hand placement. Refs don't call holding if the hands are inside the pads.

You're usually on point with the oline assessments, but this is just wrong. It was 100% a legit call. Lewis did a great job initially of driving the LB Harris inside, but as you said he had poor technique and didn't bring his hips through the block and seal off that lane. If he seals off that lane it really wouldn't have mattered where his hands were honestly. However because he didn't, Harris would have been able to disengage and meet West in the hole for a short gain. But because Lewis' hand was on the outside of the shoulder pads, Harris couldn't get away and Lewis took him to the ground. Very easy and correct call. Without the hole West doesn't have a big run at all unless Lewis has good technique to begin with. Even if you watch Ravens Wired you'll see the coaches telling Lewis to just get his hands inside.  It was definitely holding. 

[Tank 92]

10 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

Now to that play. I have no issue with what Timmy did up to the last seconds of that play. I have no problem with a defender trying to make a play to help put your team in a better position. However once you saw that it wasn't clear room to run down that side line you have to get down. He tried to juke Marshall and that's where the "boneheaded" part of the play comes from. There was nothing there and I don't care how much of a athlete you were in high school, you aren't a ball carrier and you have to know when enough is enough. You tried but nothing was there, just get down. 

No issue with trying to make a play, but it was a dumb, undisciplined attempt.  Sure, run as far as you can, but wrap the ball up.  Simple, basic fundamentals.

[Steve0x]

When you go in to the NFL its not that simple block a defensive lineman from getting to your QB. In other words its very tough to keep Steelers Cameron Heyward from getting to Flacco. You're going to find that out 2 weeks from now

[Ravensfan23]

On 10/28/2016 at 6:56 PM, Tank 92 said:

No issue with trying to make a play, but it was a dumb, undisciplined attempt.  Sure, run as far as you can, but wrap the ball up.  Simple, basic fundamentals.

Absolutely. That's where young guys have to grow up and Timmy is in his 3rd year, I view him as one of those potential leaders moving forward. He has to be smarter and he has to handle it better in the media after he game. 

[ellicottraven]

 

How do we fix the "Mental Mistakes" ?

 

By fixing hem!