[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Jets

[whobilly]

  9 hours ago, ravensrock89 said:

I watched the super bowl game the other day vs San Fran. The talent we had was unbelievable not just our obvious stars but guys like pollard Leach etc we are so far away from a playoff team its not even funny. Guys are old and explains why we always have these injuries. We have NO leadership and NO gamebreakers. Every week we hear the same stories of how they going to improve and change and cut down on stupid penalties but it gets worse week to week. We lost to many key players to other teams (which i understand, salary cap) but they never keep the right players and always pick up the trash players from other teams. We never had a legitimate number 1 reciever its always been guys we picked up from other teams when there careers are coming to a end. (Mason and SSS) great players dont get me wrong but we need a gamebreakers in thier youth. This team has to start over and start making smarter decisions. Secondary has been bad for years never been upgraded, recievers never been upgraded in the draft. STOP trading down all the time in the draft it has never worked. I rather have a solid 2nd rounder than 3 so so picks in the 4th and 5th round. We always get a good number of comp picks so i see no reason to trade down. We need youth speed and leaders, time to let all the veterans go and start over. ok done for now lol

Can people shut up with this myth that the 2012 team was SO talented?! Our defense was ranked 25TH in the league that year and the O-line was average. Joe won that bowl single handed.

All of the horrible drafts have simply caught up to us. The majority of our drafted players over the last seven to eight years are ROSTER FILLERS.

[whobilly]

Get ready for Steelers "Home Game" on November 6th.

[Raven1995]

It's the O-line. Joe was hit on seven straight plays. The center repeatedly lets defenders hit Joe stratight off the snap, and or steps on his foot straight off the snap. There is no blocking for the run game unless they are holding.

The refs didn't do us any favors but they pretty consistently didn't call any pass interference. They also let players get hit out of bounds.

Wow, Great Comments. That 49 Yard run being wiped out killed our Momentum and Spirits.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Like I've said repeatedly Joe Flacco needs to be benched! Or continue to point fingers at people whom do not deserve it! He is making the whole team look bad from the top to the bottom! Yall point fingers so I'm doing the same thing!

[Bat-mite]

I'm too depressed to even comment. How discouraging....

[whobilly]

  57 minutes ago, whobilly said:

  1 hour ago, llxxGrimxxll said:

  3 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  3 hours ago, The Greek said:

  6 hours ago, n#7 said:

  8 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  9 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

Over the last seven to eight drafts there are a few players who are truly more than just roster fillers. Yanda, CJ Mosely, Branden Williams(maybe) Ronnie Stanley(Maybe) and KO who took Oakland's money(which all players should).
Breshad Perriman is our #1 WR pick and is looking like Mark Clayton, and KC, the over hyped #2 pick is our new Arthur Brown.
Urban, Waller, Jernnigan, ALL of our RB's, O Line, ALL ROSTER FILLERS.

jernigan is not just a roster filler

Not really an impact player either. Plenty of guys like him fill rosters in the NFL.

[whobilly]

they said this is the best group of weapons the offense has ever had yet the offense stinks and flacco has 5 td's in 7 games

Playing behind what well could be THE WORST O Line in the league.

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, thecommish said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  2 hours ago, llxxGrimxxll said:

  3 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

  6 hours ago, n#7 said:

  8 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  9 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

Over the last seven to eight drafts there are a few players who are truly more than just roster fillers. Yanda, CJ Mosely, Branden Williams(maybe) Ronnie Stanley(Maybe) and KO who took Oakland's money(which all players should).
Breshad Perriman is our #1 WR pick and is looking like Mark Clayton, and KC, the over hyped #2 pick is our new Arthur Brown.
Urban, Waller, Jernnigan, ALL of our RB's, O Line, ALL ROSTER FILLERS.

jernigan is not just a roster filler

Not really an impact player either. Plenty of guys like him fill rosters in the NFL.

Yeah that's not even remotely accurate. 3-4 pass rushing Dlineman are very hard to find.

Wait until you see what the FA market thinks about him when his time comes. If he walks, it will be for a BIG #. Teams don't just pay top tier money to players who fill rosters all over the league.

[rmcjacket23]

  52 minutes ago, Crusader said:

  55 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

  10 hours ago, ravensrock89 said:

I watched the super bowl game the other day vs San Fran. The talent we had was unbelievable not just our obvious stars but guys like pollard Leach etc we are so far away from a playoff team its not even funny. Guys are old and explains why we always have these injuries. We have NO leadership and NO gamebreakers. Every week we hear the same stories of how they going to improve and change and cut down on stupid penalties but it gets worse week to week. We lost to many key players to other teams (which i understand, salary cap) but they never keep the right players and always pick up the trash players from other teams. We never had a legitimate number 1 reciever its always been guys we picked up from other teams when there careers are coming to a end. (Mason and SSS) great players dont get me wrong but we need a gamebreakers in thier youth. This team has to start over and start making smarter decisions. Secondary has been bad for years never been upgraded, recievers never been upgraded in the draft. STOP trading down all the time in the draft it has never worked. I rather have a solid 2nd rounder than 3 so so picks in the 4th and 5th round. We always get a good number of comp picks so i see no reason to trade down. We need youth speed and leaders, time to let all the veterans go and start over. ok done for now lol

Can people shut up with this myth that the 2012 team was SO talented?! Our defense was ranked 25TH in the league that year and the O-line was average. Joe won that bowl single handed.

One letter "Q"

I was posting back in August to bring "Q" back. Lions signed him for 2 mill. Heart, Guts, Attitude. You can never have enough WINNERS on your team who have Heart, Guts, and Attitude. Those three things are missing on this sad squad from top to bottom. Oh, almost forgot. "Q" has 32 receptions and 4 TD's.

And he would be taking up space for younger players who will be here long after he retires.

This feels much like a "win now" mentality instead of actually understanding what's going on...

[Bruce_Almty]

Wow, looking at the Ravens remaining schedule ... can we win 6 games? Maybe 5. The only team that's a pushover seems to be the Ravens. I thought they'd be 5-2 at this stage, but Joe is so mentally gun-shy after his surgery, he's worse than the average Joe. It's looking like a 5-11 repeat.

[Dorota]

14 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

It's the O-line. Joe was hit on seven straight plays. The center repeatedly lets defenders hit Joe stratight off the snap, and or steps on his foot straight off the snap. There is no blocking for the run game unless they are holding.

The refs didn't do us any favors but they pretty consistently didn't call any pass interference. They also let players get hit out of bounds.

Well put. As soon as I heard that both Yanda and Stanley are ruled out, I got somewhat depressed.

On defense, only one of four starters started for linebackers, but that's one unit that wasn't horrible. I like Orr. He performs generally well, even though he was supposed to prevent that touchdown. The others, especially Za'Darius Smith and Judon - there's A LOT of room for improvement, but I think they show some promise. I like Tavon Young! But we're quickly running out of DBs again this year. We were lucky to get #22 back so quick off a concussion, but then lost Young to ne and Webb to hamstring injury.

DBs, OL, and WR drops are the major issues I am seeing.

[KidNme]

The CBA has gone too far in the other direction, our draft choices haven't been any good since we drafted Lewis and Ogden and our coaching staff is seriously lacking in teaching fundamentals. If the FO was afraid of saying the "Rebuilding" word before, they're not going to be able to avoid it now.
We definitely need to come out of the Bye with Mallett and a lot of the rookies so we can start evaluating who stays and who goes. Who would be afraid of Flacco if he was on the opposing team? We've been spending a lot of time dressing up pigs lately.

[OUravensfan]

Flacco played bad but it was only a matter of time before a few more INTs happened. He has an awful O line and WRs don't get open, even the Mike Wallace deep ball he didn't have separation. 6 rushing yards, a center pushed into the QB twice, I mean, it's a broken system right now. 

[Some Dumb Fan]

For those of you stating it’s the OLine. Who handicapped the team with a 120 Mil contract causing KO to leave?

Whoever is making the most money needs to produce the most! No excuses! If you cant throw 50 times and get Tom Brady Results then you don’t get Brady Money!

2014 playoffs Brady threw it 50 times against us because he had too! If Joe throws 40 times we lose!

[The Mom Gene]

7 minutes ago, Some Dumb Fan said:

For those of you stating it’s the OLine. Who handicapped the team with a 120 Mil contract causing KO to leave?

Whoever is making the most money needs to produce the most! No excuses! If you cant throw 50 times and get Tom Brady Results then you don’t get Brady Money!

2014 playoffs Brady threw it 50 times against us because he had too! If Joe throws 40 times we lose!
 

So when the analysts, and the coaches agree.  When you have 6 offensive linemen out...  and you aren't blocking, your center is getting pushed back into your QB, and the line cannot produce running lanes, and then when they do, the play is called back because a LINEMAN committed a holding penalty....  That's on your QB....  OK...  got it.  WOW.

[craymonham]

LMBO I said it 3 weeks ago our o line is terrible and we need to make trades. Flacco is the same Flacco he's always been nothing new there. Webb should've been released a loooooooong time ago and I was surprised he came back this year. Jimmy is a jam corner not a man to man corner and Dean pee's needs to go his style is out of date. What kinda defense are we playing anyway I'm confused to what the heck is going on out there????

[thecommish]

  1 hour ago, thecommish said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  2 hours ago, llxxGrimxxll said:

  4 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

  7 hours ago, n#7 said:

  9 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  10 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

Over the last seven to eight drafts there are a few players who are truly more than just roster fillers. Yanda, CJ Mosely, Branden Williams(maybe) Ronnie Stanley(Maybe) and KO who took Oakland's money(which all players should).
Breshad Perriman is our #1 WR pick and is looking like Mark Clayton, and KC, the over hyped #2 pick is our new Arthur Brown.
Urban, Waller, Jernnigan, ALL of our RB's, O Line, ALL ROSTER FILLERS.

jernigan is not just a roster filler

Not really an impact player either. Plenty of guys like him fill rosters in the NFL.

dis-agreed. Timmy has shown ability and played at a high level this year. He has a high ceiling and seems to be just coming into his comfort zone as a NFL player. Jernigan can be a pro bowl player!

[craymonham]

We need to stop drafting squares. We keep drafting these squared, spoiled, deliver the news paper guys who have nothing to fight for and they are just collecting nfl checks. We need to start (go back) drafting those hard edge guys who came from the bottom and who loves football. Stop drafting these suburban punks who only care about mathematical equations on sunday but cant block the man across from you. We have no fire and it sucks to see it but that's the problem.

[Purple Dawg 96]

  22 minutes ago, Some Dumb Fan said:

For those of you stating it’s the OLine. Who handicapped the team with a 120 Mil contract causing KO to leave?

Whoever is making the most money needs to produce the most! No excuses! If you cant throw 50 times and get Tom Brady Results then you don’t get Brady Money!

2014 playoffs Brady threw it 50 times against us because he had too! If Joe throws 40 times we lose!
 

So when the analysts, and the coaches agree.  When you have 6 offensive linemen out...  and you aren't blocking, your center is getting pushed back into your QB, and the line cannot produce running lanes, and then when they do, the play is called back because a LINEMAN committed a holding penalty....  That's on your QB....  OK...  got it.  WOW.

It is the QB fault and yall need to stop covering for him! All QBs under pressure brady played under pressure yesterday against the squeelers but he finds a way our QB can't and he needs to be benched!

[craymonham]

1 hour ago, Bat-mite said:

I'm too depressed to even comment. How discouraging....

Man I haven't quit on my ravens but I don't think we are a wild card team at this point.

[thecommish]

  1 hour ago, thecommish said:

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

  2 hours ago, llxxGrimxxll said:

  4 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

  7 hours ago, n#7 said:

  9 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  10 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

Over the last seven to eight drafts there are a few players who are truly more than just roster fillers. Yanda, CJ Mosely, Branden Williams(maybe) Ronnie Stanley(Maybe) and KO who took Oakland's money(which all players should).
Breshad Perriman is our #1 WR pick and is looking like Mark Clayton, and KC, the over hyped #2 pick is our new Arthur Brown.
Urban, Waller, Jernnigan, ALL of our RB's, O Line, ALL ROSTER FILLERS.

jernigan is not just a roster filler

Not really an impact player either. Plenty of guys like him fill rosters in the NFL.

why is this the worst OL in the league?

we have a the best G in the NFL in Yanda- Wagner looked like a potential pro bowler under Kubiack. Stanley is an elite first rounder. Zuttah played great under Kubiack. Urschel looked great last year. Jensen looked great in spots last year. Alex Lewis is supposed to be the real deal. Ducasse played very well last year. ( I know there is injuries but we have some healthy players also who we are watching regress)- WHY?

A few years ago AQ Shipley was the blame for everything wrong on our OL- now he is the starting Center for the Arizona Cardinals (the # 1 run offense in the NFL) and he is playing very well. What was the cause of the turn around for AQ....someone explain how he got so much better so fast? WHY?

Geno Gradowski is playing a back up role with the Carolina Panthers and filled in recently looking pretty good. Why?

Michael Oher... still playing fairly well as a starter in this league. He played 98.8% of the Carolina Panthers snaps last year and he allowed a career low four sacks and was penalized only 3 x for 25 yards last season. And he started on the blind side. He was the most penalized OL in the league with us and played average at best with on on the opposite side... Why?

Heck even Robert Myers who we drafted as a G...sucked for us. He was cut very early and then next year.... Kubiack left and brought both Myers and Geno out to Denver. Myers is still in the league with the Seahawks. Yes he is still on the their practice squad but the Seahawks said he is raw but has a lot of potential ... we didnt seem to see that -WHY?

Jah Reid... a bust of a draft pack for the Ravens... a starting T for the Chiefs (one of the best OLs in the game). He could never get on the field for us- WHY?

Ramon Harewood was another player that Kubiack thought enough of to take with him to Denver-

Vlad Ducasse played well in Chicago.... cant cut it in Baltimore... why?

I said it before with our DBs.... we have DBs who suck here and go other places and play great. WE have DBs come here an player at a much lower level... then here (I think Leslie Frazier is changing that here) but...that has been an issue here for sure.

Our OL is consistently under performing and we have talent. WHY?

[thecommish]

I agree though... Joe needs to start playing or start giving some of that money back!

[Some Dumb Fan]

  1 hour ago, Some Dumb Fan said:

For those of you stating it’s the OLine. Who handicapped the team with a 120 Mil contract causing KO to leave?

Whoever is making the most money needs to produce the most! No excuses! If you cant throw 50 times and get Tom Brady Results then you don’t get Brady Money!

2014 playoffs Brady threw it 50 times against us because he had too! If Joe throws 40 times we lose!
 

So when the analysts, and the coaches agree.  When you have 6 offensive linemen out...  and you aren't blocking, your center is getting pushed back into your QB, and the line cannot produce running lanes, and then when they do, the play is called back because a LINEMAN committed a holding penalty....  That's on your QB....  OK...  got it.  WOW.

Yes ma'am, and Harbs will be fired soon because no one will admit we overpaid significantly for Joe. It's not bashing Flacco, I love the guy. He's the best QB we have ever had but when your last 4 regular seasons you have 65 TD's and 52 INT's that's not 120 Mil worthy! He needs to restructure. Brian Hoyer has 42 TD's to 23 INT's over the same period!

[CQ1]

To reiterate:
Those three drives that led us to 3 field-goals were outstanding.
I am looking forward to so much more of that.

Dear Ravens Brass:
I wonder what is more important- continued losing- while looking horrible or a quarterback controversy

[CQ1]

Its time to pitch the moniker: Play like a Raven (set it aside). Those days were that.
I don't want to be like the Raiders when they stunk for 20 years whereas they kept their moniker: A commitment to excellence. Those fans were shammed for some time.
This fan will not be. Until some type of 'positive' change has been made, I'm not wasting my time with this faulty product. I can find plenty of other productive things to do.

[CQ1]

...with next week off, perhaps I'll get my old paper grocery bags out with purple spray and get ready for game time / Halloween; no scissors yet- until I'm ready to peek through the eye holes. Its not even peek worthy.

[haarvik]

There are two glaring issues, but related. Coaching is a HUGE problem! We are predictable. I can call the play before the o-line even breaks the huddle! Flacco is problem number two. He is afraid to get hit. If it looks like someone is going to get to him he dumps the ball off, if he can. He could care less. He got paid, and his attitude and play making show it! He needs benched until he can show he is willing to play, and play at the level he is being paid to play at!

[Drew P]

After the 2nd INT I was expecting to see Mallett

[Bat-mite]

5 hours ago, craymonham said:

Man I haven't quit on my ravens but I don't think we are a wild card team at this point.

Wild card?  I would be thrilled to squeeze a 5-11 out of this season.  We have imploded, and it starts with Harbaugh and the coaching staff.  I think Flacco has lost respect for the coaching staff, and there are no cheerleaders (by that I mean players) left in the locker room.

[Bat-mite]

Flacco's record since getting paid:  25 - 26.