[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. Jets

[Red723]

This regime needs to finally be dismantled. Harbs and Flacco gave us a great run during these 9 years, but they've lost it. Flacco is back to playing pedestrian, and Harbs is clueless. For play this poor the blame has to start at the top, and that is Ozzie and Harbs. They won't get rid of Ozzie, but Harbs needs to go. Belichek has had winning seasons with less talent than we have this year. We can talk about the deficiencies with the oline, secondary, blitz, etc, but the main thing is that this combination of poor players and poor coaching will get us nowhere. They changed OC and they're still losing. Obviously the OC alone isn't the problem. Fans need to stop being blinded by harbs' sb run from almost 5 yrs ago. We need to seriously think about drafting a qb next year. Flacco is looking like our Romo now.

[RaRaRavens]

Also, looking ahead I can see us easily going 1-8 with the only win against the Browns (but even that ain't given). Cause if we manage to find a way to lose to a 1-5 Jets, why in the world do we think we can beat even the Dolphins, let alone Steelers or Bengals (remember how AJ Green seems to kill us every damn time).

So I hate to be the glass half empty guy, but at this point finishing 4-12 and actually with a worse record than last year seems more likely than finishing even 8-8. Especially considering how we just barely managed to get those 3 wins against bottom of the league teams. 4-12...Damn!

The really sad thing is, I'm more than sure that after another depressing and injury riddled losing season Suggs, Doom or SSS will be retiring. Maybe even 2 of those guys, or even all of them. And that will leave us witg gaping holes at nearly every position there is, with only K/P/LS/and unfortunately QB being the exceptions.

It will literally take us years to get back into the consistent playoff contention.

[RaRaRavens]

This regime needs to finally be dismantled. Harbs and Flacco gave us a great run during these 9 years, but they've lost it. Flacco is back to playing pedestrian, and Harbs is clueless. For play this poor the blame has to start at the top, and that is Ozzie and Harbs. They won't get rid of Ozzie, but Harbs needs to go. Belichek has had winning seasons with less talent than we have this year. We can talk about the deficiencies with the oline, secondary, blitz, etc, but the main thing is that this combination of poor players and poor coaching will get us nowhere. They changed OC and they're still losing. Obviously the OC alone isn't the problem. Fans need to stop being blinded by harbs' sb run from almost 5 yrs ago. We need to seriously think about drafting a qb next year. Flacco is looking like our Romo now.

This guy right here is the Truth! I agree with you 100% good sir!

[The Greek]

  1 hour ago, Red723 said:

This regime needs to finally be dismantled. Harbs and Flacco gave us a great run during these 9 years, but they've lost it. Flacco is back to playing pedestrian, and Harbs is clueless. For play this poor the blame has to start at the top, and that is Ozzie and Harbs. They won't get rid of Ozzie, but Harbs needs to go. Belichek has had winning seasons with less talent than we have this year. We can talk about the deficiencies with the oline, secondary, blitz, etc, but the main thing is that this combination of poor players and poor coaching will get us nowhere. They changed OC and they're still losing. Obviously the OC alone isn't the problem. Fans need to stop being blinded by harbs' sb run from almost 5 yrs ago. We need to seriously think about drafting a qb next year. Flacco is looking like our Romo now.

This guy right here is the Truth! I agree with you 100% good sir!

to add to that post i would have to say the front office needs a major shake up as well. they put together this roster and there are no playmakers/game changers. i sure hope the bye week helps considerably but i have huge doubts about that happening

[The Greek]

  4 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  5 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

[Zeus]

"We didn't play winnng football" that what a coach says when he's run out of excuses.

[BigUgly]

  3 hours ago, n#7 said:

  5 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  6 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

[law215]

My biggest concern is whether or not Steve realizes how a football he has. At the last State of the Ravens, they acted as if they believed

The Suggs absence was the downfall of the defense
Injuries on the offense were the cause of its poor play.
He stated the need for consistency and belief in John.
Steve also bragged about having two GMs in Eric and OZ.
OZ admitted the past drafts were below standard
DeCosta mentioned the 4th round will define this team for the future

At the time, I thought ok these guys looked in the mirror and will do better this year.

I was disappointed during the draft since I thought more emphasis would be on pass rushers, CB, Safeties, but they drafted Correa (ILB), Kafusi (DE), Henry (DT) and mid round CB and pass rushers, Wrs.

I wonder if they will state more excuses or realize that they need to change.
I fear Joe's play will be the 'goat' but it much deeper than that.

[law215]

Ravens look like they suck as a whole right now. Sad part is if we had any QB play this year, we could be 7-0...............But Joe really looks like the worst QB in the league this year. Can't believe I'm saying and think that, but I really think it's true. Big time bummer, and I have a feeling the Ravens aren't gonna do anything about it

I think a lot of QBs play poorly the year after knee injury.

However, Joe was never the QB that you wanted to put the team on his shoulders.

He was never the leader to get guys to play better

His contract limited the front office ability to keep guys like KO (I wonder if they are second guessing themselves since Joe gets beat up and the middle of the o-line is as soft as butter)

Joe is best with a strong run game and good to great receivers around him.

The Joe contract limited the players they could keep, but these poor drafts are their own doing.

They need a new voice in the room. This formula is not working.

[DENNYK]

As bad as it looks right now, it is going to get a lot worse when we come back from the BYE. The tougher teams are on the schedule from then onward. Ravens cannot beat anybody right now. Coaching is terrible to say the least and they just throw out words at the end of the game. No big deal to any of them. Paychecks just keep coming. We can throw them all under the bus , but it won't change a thing right now. We are the worst team in the league after losing to the "woeful Jets". Still wondering how they even one 4 games during the pre-season. Harbs keeps selling the BS to the fans week after week and we buy it. It looks like the fan base has finally discovered the truth doesn't it? Who are these guys kidding, We are the BROWNS.

[ravlivie]

Harbaugh hires friends & keeps coaches discarded by other teams, couldn't cut it with
them so we hire them. Pees is pathetic, should go ( don't hold your breath )
Flacco should be benched. Team needs to clean house & hire some coaches
who are not friends of Harbaugh.

[outkast1]

Harbaugh hires friends & keeps coaches discarded by other teams, couldn't cut it with
them so we hire them. Pees is pathetic, should go ( don't hold your breath )
Flacco should be benched. Team needs to clean house & hire some coaches
who are not friends of Harbaugh.

The team looks like Harbaugh's personality, weak,low key,indecisive and undisciplined .I told you guys Flacco was the sloppiest and unpredictable QB in the league . I'll keep my avatar until we get another QB.

[EwholoJeroro]

A team rebuild isn't necessary. Harbaugh and his excellent coaching staff will fix this team over the bye and turn the season around. We can't lose faith. Go Ravens!!!

You need to hook me up with your dealer.

[llxxGrimxxll]

  1 hour ago, The Greek said:

  4 hours ago, n#7 said:

  6 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  7 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

[barneslc@sbcglobal.net]

This team is BROKEN! One of the weakest schedules in the NFL before the bye, divisional rivals losing, opportunities squandered. Success has been laid out for the Ravens and they still can't take advantage. The second half of the season is not going to be that easy. Someone please explain how the Ravens LOSE TO THE 1-5 HAPLESS JETS! Don;t give me that injury BS either! Next man up! Next man up! Change something for goodness sake. Give Mallet a shot!

[barneslc@sbcglobal.net]

Here's 5 thoughts!

Bench Flacco.

Light a fire under the OC and receivers!

Go out and find some O linemen

GO get a secondary (WEBB IS USELESS! HAS BEEN FOR A FEW YEARS!)

Play with some [profanity deleted] emotion!

[fusuymada]

Two brutal, honest thoughts.

First is that Flacco is broken. We have not seen the 11TD, 0 INT Flacco since 2012. Joe was never a mobile QB. He could get you a few yards here and there because no one expects him to run, but since his knee injury he is a statue making protection the most important part of making Flacco successful. For whatever reason, our coach has had Stanley inactive for the last three weeks when Stanley has been blunt that he could go but he says we have to ask the coach why he's not playing. We could have had Ramsey who would make an incredible difference in out back end and we couldn't give up that pick we got with Kaufusi, who is just another one of those injury prone rookies that we seem to be drafting, and Stanley. With Stanley who isn't playing and Kaufusi who isnt playing we could have had Ramsey who is playing and at a high level. I mean, if we are going to choose to sit our first round pick when he says he can play, then we might as well have traded him away and Kaufusi's picks to get Ramsey. Coach's decision to leave our QB vulnerable when our first round left tackle says he can play. Putting Stanley out there means that we can alter the whole line making it better. Coach's decision.... which leads me to my next point.

Second, Harbaugh wants players with that "killer" mentallity to put games away. Well, you got rid of all those guys and got a bunch of choir boys who tuck their tails and drop their head and say nothing and go home and be happy with their families but are willing to accept they are losers. We have a team of Joe Flaccos. Guys that put in their time, lack any motivation or energy whatsoever, don't run to the line or hurry when time is running out, they are guys who are there to punch a clock, cash a paycheck and don't really care. I know they don't care because guys like Lewis, Reed, and other leaders would be up in people's faces and demanding they play better. We have a team of guys who go sit on the bench, drink water, discuss what was on TV yesterday, joke and kid around and don't care they are out there embarrassing themselves and us at the same time. Harbaugh got what he wanted and now that he has it he realizes it doesn't constitute an NFL lineup. Thanks John and Ozzie for two straight losing seasons. Could you please get some guys with some fire, starting at QB?

Edited October 24, 2016 by fusuymada
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[OUravensfan]

4 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Two brutal, honest thoughts.

First is that Flacco is broken. We have not seen the 11TD, 0 INT Flacco since 2012. Joe was never a mobile QB. He could get you a few yards here and there because no one expects him to run, but since his knee injury he is a statue making protection the most important part of making Flacco successful. For whatever reason, our coach has had Stanley inactive for the last three weeks when Stanley has been blunt that he could go but he says we have to ask the coach why he's not playing. We could have had Ramsey who would make an incredible difference in out back end and we couldn't give up that pick we got with Kaufusi, who is just another one of those injury prone rookies that we seem to be drafting, and Stanley. With Stanley who isn't playing and Kaufusi who isnt playing we could have had Ramsey who is playing and at a high level. I mean, if we are going to choose to sit our first round pick when he says he can play, then we might as well have traded him away and Kaufusi's picks to get Ramsey. Coach's decision to leave our QB vulnerable when our first round left tackle says he can play. Putting Stanley out there means that we can alter the whole line making it better. Coach's decision.... which leads me to my next point.

Second, Harbaugh wants players with that "killer" mentallity to put games away. Well, you got rid of all those guys and got a bunch of choir boys who tuck their tails and drop their head and say nothing and go home and be happy with their families but are willing to accept they are losers. We have a team of Joe Flaccos. Guys that put in their time, lack any motivation or energy whatsoever, don't run to the line or hurry when time is running out, they are guys who are there to punch a clock, cash a paycheck and don't really care. I know they don't care because guys like Lewis, Reed, and other leaders would be up in people's faces and demanding they play better. We have a time of guys who go sit on the bench, drink water, discuss what was on TV yesterday, joke and kid around and don't care they are out there embarrassing themselves and us at the same time. Harbaugh got what he wanted and now that he has it he realizes it doesn't constitute an NFL lineup. Thanks John and Ozzie for two straight losing seasons. Could you please get some guys with some fire, starting and QB?

He was great in 2014 with Kubiak, we saw him in that year's playoffs, OD dropped TD #5. It is what it is, this team has some huge issues on the offensive side of the ball that we can try to better in the off-season. Or maybe we figure it out and start playing better.....6 rushing yards, system is clearly broken

[The Greek]

they said this is the best group of weapons the offense has ever had yet the offense stinks and flacco has 5 td's in 7 games

[Rav'n Maniac]

Hey John, I have a question for you since you seem to have some level of inside access to a point.

Are the coaches addressing the issues with Flacco's mechanics?

This is the worse I've ever seen his mechanics and I would have thought that with the injury to his knee, they should have been concerned with his footwork during final rehab. As of now, his footwork is down right awful and regressing further.

[whobilly]

  2 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

  5 hours ago, n#7 said:

  7 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  8 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

Over the last seven to eight drafts there are a few players who are truly more than just roster fillers. Yanda, CJ Mosely, Branden Williams(maybe) Ronnie Stanley(Maybe) and KO who took Oakland's money(which all players should).
Breshad Perriman is our #1 WR pick and is looking like Mark Clayton, and KC, the over hyped #2 pick is our new Arthur Brown.
Urban, Waller, Jernnigan, ALL of our RB's, O Line, ALL ROSTER FILLERS.

[thecommish]

  1 hour ago, llxxGrimxxll said:

  2 hours ago, BigUgly said:

  3 hours ago, The Greek said:

  5 hours ago, n#7 said:

  7 hours ago, gr2522 said:

  8 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

On the bright side... the Steelers lost, so IF the Ravens can right the ship after the bye then there is hope :) GO RAVENS! CB 25

We are lucky to have the perfect Captain steering the ship in John Harbaugh. We just need patience!

He can only do so much with what's been provided him. Even the great ones have to have the horses and the FO has failed to deliver in that dept.

agreed. time to point the finger at the front office

The FO didn't make him throw off his back foot, overthrow guys, or trip over his own feet. Joe has regressed in his mechanics and decision-making since Kubiak left. You can say he doesn't have all-pro players around him at every position, but no QB does. The only legitimate excuse I can think of is the offensive scheme and coaching, both of which ultimately fall on Harbs.

maybe so, but how many first billet (not alt's when someone was a no show) pro-bowlers have been drafted by the Ravens the last decade? I bet you can count them on one hand. There is a depravity of young talent on the team and that's squarely on the front office. Harbaugh may have a little say, but it's mostly Newsome and the scouting team. There needs to be a house cleaning, if Harbaugh goes at the end of the year, there should be a complete house cleaning, which includes 75% of the players including every player over 30 that Baltimore isn't forced to keep due to contract restrictions and most of the front office..

Over the last seven to eight drafts there are a few players who are truly more than just roster fillers. Yanda, CJ Mosely, Branden Williams(maybe) Ronnie Stanley(Maybe) and KO who took Oakland's money(which all players should).
Breshad Perriman is our #1 WR pick and is looking like Mark Clayton, and KC, the over hyped #2 pick is our new Arthur Brown.
Urban, Waller, Jernnigan, ALL of our RB's, O Line, ALL ROSTER FILLERS.

jernigan is not just a roster filler

[Crusader]

Why are blaming "picking players" and not DEVELOPING players and using them to THEIR attributes?

[Cillmatic]

9 hours ago, ravensrock89 said:

I watched the super bowl game the other day vs San Fran. The talent we had was unbelievable not just our obvious stars but guys like pollard Leach etc we are so far away from a playoff team its not even funny. Guys are old and explains why we always have these injuries. We have NO leadership and NO gamebreakers. Every week we hear the same stories of how they going to improve and change and cut down on stupid penalties but it gets worse week to week. We lost to many key players to other teams (which i understand, salary cap) but they never keep the right players and always pick up the trash players from other teams. We never had a legitimate number 1 reciever its always been guys we picked up from other teams when there careers are coming to a end. (Mason and SSS) great players dont get me wrong but we need a gamebreakers in thier youth. This team has to start over and start making smarter decisions. Secondary has been bad for years never been upgraded, recievers never been upgraded in the draft. STOP trading down all the time in the draft it has never worked. I rather have a solid 2nd rounder than 3 so so picks in the 4th and 5th round. We always get a good number of comp picks so i see no reason to trade down. We need youth speed and leaders, time to let all the veterans go and start over. ok done for now lol

Can people shut up with this myth that the 2012 team was SO talented?! Our defense was ranked 25TH in the league that year and the O-line was average. Joe won that bowl single handed.

[RaRaRavens]

I'm gonna go full Negan&Lucille on whoever is going to say we the fans are overreacting and that the situation is not that bad.

We are 3-4 after arguably the easiest first half schedule, just lost to one of the last teams in the NFL, AND were not able to score an offensive TD against them.

This team need full on dismantling and rebuilding and no-one should be safe, including the HC and QB. If the HC fails to make his nearly 10-year "elite" veteran QB to start playing with even some fundamentals in place, something is very very very wrong within the team.

Time to stop sugar coating it, we are in massive Crap!

[Crusader]

  9 hours ago, ravensrock89 said:

I watched the super bowl game the other day vs San Fran. The talent we had was unbelievable not just our obvious stars but guys like pollard Leach etc we are so far away from a playoff team its not even funny. Guys are old and explains why we always have these injuries. We have NO leadership and NO gamebreakers. Every week we hear the same stories of how they going to improve and change and cut down on stupid penalties but it gets worse week to week. We lost to many key players to other teams (which i understand, salary cap) but they never keep the right players and always pick up the trash players from other teams. We never had a legitimate number 1 reciever its always been guys we picked up from other teams when there careers are coming to a end. (Mason and SSS) great players dont get me wrong but we need a gamebreakers in thier youth. This team has to start over and start making smarter decisions. Secondary has been bad for years never been upgraded, recievers never been upgraded in the draft. STOP trading down all the time in the draft it has never worked. I rather have a solid 2nd rounder than 3 so so picks in the 4th and 5th round. We always get a good number of comp picks so i see no reason to trade down. We need youth speed and leaders, time to let all the veterans go and start over. ok done for now lol

Can people shut up with this myth that the 2012 team was SO talented?! Our defense was ranked 25TH in the league that year and the O-line was average. Joe won that bowl single handed.

One letter "Q"

[Crusader]

Maybe I should have said :"JONES"

[Maurice0094]

It's just continued frustration watching a qb who is fading away in the pocket like he's dirk nowitski, he looks afraid to step up even with time he's fading away. If Stanley says one more time it's up to coach harbaugh to play me and he's constantly inactive it's on Harbaugh. The penalties at key points in a game and boneheaded plays. Oh let's not forget the bad job of trying to hide Webb....the opposing offense is finding you buddy whether it's in man, zone, or you getting thrown like a rag doll when you come up to make tackles. Devin Hester can leave now. Zuttah getting overpowered again by a old enemy on a new team. We are what our record says a under .500 team smh

Positives found in the game
Judon, zadarius, correria did a pretty nice job getting a pass rush.
If Brandon Williams does decides to walk via free agency Michael pierce looks to be a solid replacement. But losing Williams would still be big.
Tavon Young looks to be the first cb since Duane starks to have ball skills.
Zach Orr is really becoming a very good ILB.
That is all

[whobilly]

  6 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

  9 hours ago, ravensrock89 said:

I watched the super bowl game the other day vs San Fran. The talent we had was unbelievable not just our obvious stars but guys like pollard Leach etc we are so far away from a playoff team its not even funny. Guys are old and explains why we always have these injuries. We have NO leadership and NO gamebreakers. Every week we hear the same stories of how they going to improve and change and cut down on stupid penalties but it gets worse week to week. We lost to many key players to other teams (which i understand, salary cap) but they never keep the right players and always pick up the trash players from other teams. We never had a legitimate number 1 reciever its always been guys we picked up from other teams when there careers are coming to a end. (Mason and SSS) great players dont get me wrong but we need a gamebreakers in thier youth. This team has to start over and start making smarter decisions. Secondary has been bad for years never been upgraded, recievers never been upgraded in the draft. STOP trading down all the time in the draft it has never worked. I rather have a solid 2nd rounder than 3 so so picks in the 4th and 5th round. We always get a good number of comp picks so i see no reason to trade down. We need youth speed and leaders, time to let all the veterans go and start over. ok done for now lol

Can people shut up with this myth that the 2012 team was SO talented?! Our defense was ranked 25TH in the league that year and the O-line was average. Joe won that bowl single handed.

One letter "Q"

I was posting back in August to bring "Q" back. Lions signed him for 2 mill. Heart, Guts, Attitude. You can never have enough WINNERS on your team who have Heart, Guts, and Attitude. Those three things are missing on this sad squad from top to bottom. Oh, almost forgot. "Q" has 32 receptions and 4 TD's.

[thecommish]

Our defense couldn't close out a high school team and no lead is safe since Pees came to town. Our team is soft and no longer the once feared Ravens! I have no clue what our team identity is at this point and we are more injury prone then i can recall seeing an NFL team being maybe ever!

Our OL has had one good year since Juan Castillo came here and that was under Kickbacks system. Problem is that Kubiack is long gone and Juan is being exposed. John is too loyal to his friends and the front office needs to force his hand to replace some of these coaches who are not cutting it!

Where is the accountability?