Is Rolle Really A Big Deal?

[SuggsNotDrugs]

I know it sucks losing another starter, but I was not impressed at all with his coverage of Justin Gage last week. Is it really that big of a hit if we don't have him? I know a combo of Washington/Walker/Ivy isn't that scary, but I really don't see us being too terirbly hurt by losing Rolle. He gets burned, A LOT. I think our CBs were overrated at the beginning of the season (CMac and Rolle). I like Rolle b/c he's a vet, but he lets us down a lot. I almost feel bad posting this

[Chi_Town_Raven]

he would be a factor for this game.

[Revolution]

Not a big loss. Suggs is huge though and I doubt he makes it past the first few plays.

[mjccia]

What about Oglesby stepping up? I think he has played some of the last couple games but I havent followed him close enough.

[Canes21]

rolle's washed up. get rid of him in the offseason. pick up my boy phillip buchanon. kids a monster.

[Revolution]

[quote name='Canes21' post='134479' date='Jan 16 2009, 08:25 PM']rolle's washed up. get rid of him in the offseason. pick up my boy phillip buchanon. kids a monster.[/quote]


He is far from washed up. Washed up is used for teams like the Miami Hurricanes.

Thank God we got their good players before they basically became the 5th best team in their own state.

Nice way to end your season with 3 straight losses.

[52Kia Kaha92]

its a huge deal, fabs was the one that got beat last week not Rolle, Rolle has been great his year and he will be missed, Fabs will line up against Holmes but woul dyou rather have Samari covering hines ward or Corey IVy??

Its a huge loss especially with suggs out aswell to lose a pass rush so they wont get any help

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Canes21' post='134479' date='Jan 16 2009, 08:25 PM']rolle's washed up. get rid of him in the offseason. pick up my boy phillip buchanon. kids a monster.[/quote]

I think we need someone bigger, who can tackle and hasnt played zone for the last 3 years.

[Ravens_fan]

I like Rolle, he's been pretty sound most of the year. I'd take him healthy. We really do miss the talent of C-Mac, wish there was some magic wand that could get him to be able to suit up this game.

[SuggsNotDrugs]

CMac blwos it in big games. He gets too excited and jumps on every little move leaving him susceptible to giving up big plays. That's why Manning uses CMac, he bites way too easily because he wants an INT every play

[McBoller]

he may not be the greatest, but he is a strong willed veteran who has been around the playoffs. Id rather have him in there than Walker, and definitely more than Ivy if given the choice.

[Chi_Town_Raven]

How much years C-Mac got left in his contract?

[shaikh015]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='134459' date='Jan 16 2009, 09:10 PM']I know it sucks losing another starter, but I was not impressed at all with his coverage of Justin Gage last week. Is it really that big of a hit if we don't have him? I know a combo of Washington/Walker/Ivy isn't that scary, but I really don't see us being too terirbly hurt by losing Rolle. He gets burned, A LOT. I think our CBs were overrated at the beginning of the season (CMac and Rolle). I like Rolle b/c he's a vet, but he lets us down a lot. I almost feel bad posting this [/quote]
Rolle is great we can use any CB from that Rex Ryan defense any day....

[SuggsNotDrugs]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='134564' date='Jan 16 2009, 09:31 PM']Rolle is great we can use any CB from that Rex Ryan defense any day....[/quote]

That's what I'm talking about!!! The system is what's great! If we use our players interchangeably including some guys like Zib and Naki to cover slower guys like Ward, we can handle their recievers

[rlh445]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='134459' date='Jan 16 2009, 08:10 PM']I know it sucks losing another starter, but I was not impressed at all with his coverage of Justin Gage last week. Is it really that big of a hit if we don't have him? I know a combo of Washington/Walker/Ivy isn't that scary, but I really don't see us being too terirbly hurt by losing Rolle. He gets burned, A LOT. I think our CBs were overrated at the beginning of the season (CMac and Rolle). I like Rolle b/c he's a vet, but he lets us down a lot. I almost feel bad posting this [/quote]


What did Rolle do wrong in his coverage of Gage? He was almost always behind Gage on plays, but that's just as much due to the defense being run as Rolle. I think he's been more then satisfactory. I don't see us being too terribly hurt by losing Rolle, but only because we dealt without having him earlier in the season.

[McBoller]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='134570' date='Jan 16 2009, 09:37 PM']That's what I'm talking about!!! The system is what's great! If we use our players interchangeably including some guys like Zib and Naki to cover slower guys like Ward, we can handle their recievers[/quote]
did you say SLOWER guys like ward? Ok, he may not run a 4.0 but he knows how to get WIDE open and get massive YAC somehow. He must be watched, CLOSELY

[SuggsNotDrugs]

[quote name='rlh445' post='134573' date='Jan 16 2009, 09:38 PM']What did Rolle do wrong in his coverage of Gage? He was almost always behind Gage on plays, but that's just as much due to the defense being run as Rolle. I think he's been more then satisfactory. I don't see us being too terribly hurt by losing Rolle, but only because we dealt without having him earlier in the season.[/quote]

You make a good point, we were constantly behind the receivers making sure not to give up the big reception. In doing so you allow them to make the short throws constantly and move the chains easily. I know this isn't Rolle's fault, but he's a zone CB, I just like seeing the big hits, big plays, and more INTs that come with someone who is a capable defender in man on man. He's good don't get me wrong, but he's getting old, and he can't pressure guys very well, he's a good preventative measure.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Canes21' post='134479' date='Jan 16 2009, 08:25 PM']rolle's washed up. get rid of him in the offseason. pick up my boy phillip buchanon. kids a monster.[/quote]

Oh, well since he's "your boy" maybe you can talk him into coming to the Ravens for cheap...

[McBoller]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='134580' date='Jan 16 2009, 09:43 PM']You make a good point, we were constantly behind the receivers making sure not to give up the big reception. In doing so you allow them to make the short throws constantly and move the chains easily. I know this isn't Rolle's fault, but he's a zone CB, I just like seeing the big hits, big plays, and more INTs that come with someone who is a capable defender in man on man. He's good don't get me wrong, but he's getting old, and he can't pressure guys very well, he's a good preventative measure.[/quote]
this should be Reed's job. If he's so good at following the QB's eyes he needs to guage(no pun intended) who the QB wants to go to and cover over the top and let the weaker CBs come underneath...and they should be able to tell when Reed is there. If they are going to constantly throw away from Reed, then Reed needs to cover the best receiver on that particular play to theoretically keep the QB from throwing to them. I havent gotten a chance to look at the replay of the game last week, but Id like to know what Reed was doing back there while Collins was doing everything he possibly could not to throw in his direction and still complete several 15+ yd passes.

[Ravnet]

There is another thread revealing Rolle's absurdly low YPA, and the fact that he hasn't surrendered a TD all season. For some reason unbeknownst to me, Samari gives off the impression that he gets burned all the time, but the statistics show quite clearly that Rolle is still a very solid corner. Not having him on the field is a huge loss.

[quote]10. Samari Rolle, Baltimore Ravens
Season Totals: 44 attempts, 4.07 YPA, 52.27 Forced INC%, 0 TDs, 3 INTs

My two cents: Rolle only played in ten games thanks to a leg injury. He played so well in those ten games that I just couldn’t leave him out of my top ten. Only Corey Webster had a lower YPA and he was one of seven CBs to post a forced incompletion percentage of over 50%. If he didn’t miss those six games and played as well as he did in his ten starts, he would have been a top 5 CB without a doubt.[/quote]

I guess the only explanation may be that Samari gives up a big cushion, which results in a ton of small gains. Furthermore, all of our DB's get help from the pass rush, and Rolle especially is aided by Reed as Samari is usually covering the best receiver.

[Black&Purple]

If you didn't like his coverage, then get ready to not like Frank Walker's. I like Walker, don't get me wrong, but he can't cover as good as Rolle can.

[Revolution]

[quote name='Black&Purple' post='134898' date='Jan 17 2009, 09:53 AM']If you didn't like his coverage, then get ready to not like Frank Walker's. I like Walker, don't get me wrong, but he can't cover as good as Rolle can.[/quote]

Totally true. Rolle isn't a huge loss, but he is a loss. I would rather have him than not have him. Suggs injury is the real problem though. I don't see him going very long.

[MKdave]

[quote name='shaikh015' post='134564' date='Jan 17 2009, 02:31 AM']Rolle is great we can use any CB from that Rex Ryan defense any day....[/quote]

Because that worked out real well last year...

[Perfekt]

i think rolle is a huge lose because i think he has played great. yea he gives up the short yardage but he a sure tackler something that we lack in the back field. even reed (due to his neck problems) has been missing open field tackles. i think the key to success is that we get pressure early against there oline and walker doenst do anything stupid cuz he always seems to over due things. i believe walker would be good if he would let the game come to him.

[TSizzle00]

His experience helps him and he does not do stupid stuff like Frank Walker, he is a starting CB for a reason

[ravensgirlx88]

Personally, I'd rather trade Rolle and keep C-Mac. He had 2 INT's in just playing what 3 games? Rolle has had how many? 2 all year?

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='TSizzle00' post='134996' date='Jan 17 2009, 12:12 PM']His experience helps him and he does not do stupid stuff like Frank Walker, he is a starting CB for a reason[/quote]

My only concern with Frank Walker is that he seems to get faked out alot. I guess that's just the "rookie" in him. But his height is a concern for me too, I dont think he'll be able to cover health Miller and hines ward

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='134459' date='Jan 16 2009, 08:10 PM']I know it sucks losing another starter, but I was not impressed at all with his coverage of Justin Gage last week. Is it really that big of a hit if we don't have him? I know a combo of Washington/Walker/Ivy isn't that scary, but I really don't see us being too terirbly hurt by losing Rolle. He gets burned, A LOT. I think our CBs were overrated at the beginning of the season (CMac and Rolle). I like Rolle b/c he's a vet, but he lets us down a lot. I almost feel bad posting this [/quote]


Rolle or Frank Walker who would you rather have start? Who ever starts it has to be the Next Man Up!

[macbrak]

If Rolle isn't healthy Walker. C-Mac proved a probowl caliber CB who's hurt isn't worth the risk.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='macbrak' post='135096' date='Jan 17 2009, 12:43 PM']If Rolle isn't healthy Walker. C-Mac proved a probowl caliber CB who's hurt isn't worth the risk.[/quote]

No way, I was just saying for this off-season.