The good, the bad, really bad and ugly week 7 vs Jets vent

[BmoreRaven1123]

I think its time to retire Ozzie these players we have been drafting have not panned out at all. We keep getting scraps from other teams on the cheap or after theyve been dropped and putting them in starting positions like they weren't let go for a reason. Keeping L. Webb and spending money on Devin Hester, for what? Our wideouts are getting no separation and running just bad routes. The front end of the defense is just soft and even the worse olines in the league are pushing them around like bullies in the school yard. Flacco is just failing so hard week after week and no one in the organization saying anything. Since the superbowl run we have been in a downward spiral, part of me wishes Kubiak never came for that year and made that team achieve so we could of been exposed earlier and hopefully done something about it. Harbaugh might have to go too cause this has become a team of some nice guys who are good and high character people not the mauler and badass s.o.b's that used to frieghten other NFL teams. People used to fear the black and purple coming into their house but now even the powdercakes are happily welcoming us in cause they know they can beat on us for an hour without anybody standing up to fight back. Sad

[Ibleedperple]

Flacco isn't bad when he has time, but he don't have that, and he is scared. wouldn't you be getting hit all day? Offensive line is terrible without Stanley, and we really don't know how he will play against the likes of the good teams and top players. But I hope for JOE"S or RYAN"S sake he is outstanding

[aarondmonroe]

We are playing with LOW PLAYER IQ...................

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm with you here.  I think sometimes coaching needs to be changed (i.e. Trestman), but this is on the players.  The players have to execute.  Can't blame everything on guys making the calls on the sidelines.  They aren't the ones missing tackles, dropping balls, etc.

Put it this way... could easily be a combination of both.

There is no rationale person that thinks a firing or roster cut of any individual player/coach makes this team a contender. Not Flacco, not Harbaugh, nobody. We could can Pees and Harbaugh tomorrow and I'm not sure it would matter one bit.

This team is several upgrades at several positions away from being good, and possibly, a coaching upgrade. 

Edited October 23, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Any DOGS in the house? Where did all the dogs go?

[pep_meister]

The good: possibly...

 

whats the correlation on ticket pricing to team suck ratio? I want to catch a game this year, Is it worth the wait for more losses for cheaper tickets?

[aarondmonroe]

If Joe is so scared with what is being called in his helmet and he knows the play isn't going to work.

 

Q:  Why doesn't he call a audiable................

[rmw10]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Put it this way... could easily be a combination of both.

There is no rationale person that thinks a firing or roster cut of any individual player makes this team a contender. Not Flacco, not Harbaugh, nobody.

This team is several upgrades at several positions away from being good, and possibly, a coaching upgrade. 

For sure.  There's no single person that is responsible for every single issue, and once they're gone, everything is sunshine and rainbows.  I just think a lot of people throw blame at the coaching staff too often.  I can't even count how many times people have said that a coach isn't using a player right and there's so much potential wasted.  Sometimes, that player just isn't good.

[RayRayRaven]

I want to remind everyone flacco is coming off a knee injury that limited his training he didn't practice much this week due to a bad shoulder, he would n ot use it as an excuse anyway, its not him.  the oline was patched up, injuries have added up again. the jets do have a d line, not much else

still we could win this division at 8-8 if it goes way bad though I could see trading flacco as the way out

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Why do we continue to abandon the Run? 

Change OC, still pass happy. 

Even if you only get minimal yards per carry, why not stick with it?

The alternative is a pint/pick fest....thoughts?

[jdynamite]

During the thread I mentioned we weren't running someone was quick to point out we averaged 1ypc. But in a close game for most of the game there's no reason not to get 20-25 carries, especially with a struggling O-line and QB.   It's not going to help the lineman any throwing every down when defenders know it's coming and they just come straight at them nonstop.  

 

Also why don't this team ever use presnap motion, to create mismatches, or to see the defensive coverages.  So many teams motion guys from the outside to the inside run quick routes underneath, we just don't do it. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, RayRayRaven said:

I want to remind everyone flacco is coming off a knee injury that limited his training he didn't practice much this week due to a bad shoulder, he would n ot use it as an excuse anyway, its not him.  the oline was patched up, injuries have added up again. the jets do have a d line, not much else

still we could win this division at 8-8 if it goes way bad though I could see trading flacco as the way out

Trading Flacco isn't an option. It makes rebuilding more difficult, not easier.

Plus if you trade Flacco, the rebuilding process begins, continues, and ends with obtaining one player... somebody better than him. Good luck.

[BmoreBird22]

34 minutes ago, kiwi_raven said:

Name one other first round rookie receiver that is fourth string right now, and then I'll give perriman a break.

LaQuon Treadwell and Josh Doctson

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

For sure.  There's no single person that is responsible for every single issue, and once they're gone, everything is sunshine and rainbows.  I just think a lot of people throw blame at the coaching staff too often.  I can't even count how many times people have said that a coach isn't using a player right and there's so much potential wasted.  Sometimes, that player just isn't good.

I think there's about 4-5 veterans and basically the last 2-3 rookie year contracts that are safe. Other than that, there's a gigantic number of rookies who I think should be evaluated for their jobs on a weekly basis going forward. 

[aarondmonroe]

I gurantee the Ravens don,t lose next Sunday.

Oh Ya they have a BYE..........................

[jaege]

12 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The dead money for what? Cutting or trading Joe? $47.3M in 2017. That's the cap cost of cutting or trading Joe.

In short, there's five veterans on this roster where it makes virtually no sense to cut after this season:

Flacco, Jimmy, Yanda, Weddle and Suggs. You can make a very weak case for dumping Suggs, but from a cap perspective, I don't see it. MAYBE post June 1st.

Other than those guys, from a cap perspective, everybody is expendable the way I see it (excluding rookie contract guys).

If any moron starts discussing moving on from the guys above, they are morons, don't understand the financial side of football, and there's no point in discussing with them further.

All of these "lets move on from Flacco" guys are clowns. They know nothing.

Isn't web on that list too?

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, jaege said:

Isn't web on that list too?

Negative. He's in the final year of his contract in 2017, and he has very little dead money. He's actually easy to move on from.

I personally think he's a prime candidate for a cheaper extension, but he is FAR from guaranteed a roster spot at this point.

If we end up with two straight years of substantial losses, you're going to see a roster shakeup one way or another. And while I think some of our young guys aren't developing, there's a lot of a veterans who aren't coming close to pulling their weight right now.

[jdynamite]

People have to realize a part of coaching is developing and teaching players fundamentals and technique.  

People go on and on about drafting, rarely get into how few talented players are developed.  We never develop WRs that run crisp routes, what type of tackling fundamentals are displayed weekly ?

 

[AsianRice]

Joe was rattled big time on the second half...his Oline was giving him nightmare and he got scared for every single snap...Zuta was beat badly and bad enough that his fallback tripped Joe several times. Joe has to stepped away from his center to avoid the impact. That was bad! Overall we suck as a team...

Good: we still can win the division if we put it together after the bye and especially have all our injured starters back....

[FlocksGottaFeed]

16 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Oh I agree.  Still don't like it.  I understand us passing more than running today, but the splits are still awful.  Can't have that much of a gap.

Agreed. I just don't understand why adjustments weren't made. I wouldn't have been against draw plays, middle screens, shuffle passes to any holes 1-2 Oline had a slight advantage for even 3 yard gains. But, we didn't show any creativity or resolve in finding a weakness. More thought and finesse was critically needed. It's hard to win the wars up front without it. Our Oline didn't have a chance. 

Edited October 23, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
typos - adjustments weren't made

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Negative. He's in the final year of his contract in 2017, and he has very little dead money. He's actually easy to move on from.

I personally think he's a prime candidate for a cheaper extension, but he is FAR from guaranteed a roster spot at this point.

If we end up with two straight years of substantial losses, you're going to see a roster shakeup one way or another. And while I think some of our young guys aren't developing, there's a lot of a veterans who aren't coming close to pulling their weight right now.

Think Webb's gotta go after this season.  For as solid as he's been in some cases, he just doesn't have the speed to be able to roam the open field anymore.  The 2 big plays from the last 2 weeks definitely stand out, but there have been quite a few instances where he just wasn't fast enough to make it there.  Can't trust him as your last line of defense.

Edited October 23, 2016 by rmw10

[aarondmonroe]

If the Ravens are confortable with being predecitable with NO pre snap movement to somewhat confuse the defense.

Prepare for more of the same in 2 weeks.

 

Oh Ya we play the Steelers

[aarondmonroe]

How many players do we have that's hurt and can't play?

 

Does anyone know.

[aarondmonroe]

Is Stanley getting a New Foot?

[atomicfront]

I guess Tresma wasn't the problem.  I was against giving Flacco the extension as it was just kicking the can down the road.  Anyway I missed the game today as I took a walk in the park with my daughter.  Looks like I dindt miss much.  I thought with Geno Smith starting we would get the win.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

People have to realize a part of coaching is developing and teaching players fundamentals and technique.  

People go on and on about drafting, rarely get into how few talented players are developed.  We never develop WRs that run crisp routes, what type of tackling fundamentals are displayed weekly ?

 

To an extent.  Sometimes you can try to coach a player up as much as you want, but the player has to respond to that coaching.  It's when you see a pattern of tools over a period of time that you have to start look at coaching.  No one is absolved from blame, but it's not always a coaching issue like many people make it out to be.

[aarondmonroe]

Why did Forsett Leave or was he run off?

[BaltiRave]

That was hard to watch today against the Jets. We made a 1-4 team look like a super bowl team. And that is a shame. 

[ravefan52]

17 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm with you here.  I think sometimes coaching needs to be changed (i.e. Trestman), but this is on the players.  The players have to execute.  Can't blame everything on guys making the calls on the sidelines.  They aren't the ones missing tackles, dropping balls, etc.

Ya there's no way Harbaugh believes all the BS he's spewing out about how we're beating ourselves with unnecessary holding penalties or CB's just having their eyes in the wrong places, etc. A lot of the guys on the field just aren't good enough. It's why it's the same problems every single week.

Edited October 23, 2016 by ravefan52

[RaineV1]

12 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Why do we continue to abandon the Run? 

Change OC, still pass happy. 

Even if you only get minimal yards per carry, why not stick with it?

The alternative is a pint/pick fest....thoughts?

We did abandon it a bit too early this time, but sticking to the run when it's not producing isn't always the answer either. Trying to continually establish the run can easily lead to only having three points in the third quarter and still running for two yards a carry.