The good, the bad, really bad and ugly week 7 vs Jets vent

[rafahash]

We need major changes.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Just now, aarondmonroe said:

We have the highest bench payroll with

S. Smith

T Suggs

E Dumervill

and the 15 others that get hurt and can,t play..............................

I think I'm starting to realise that's going to be the problem with this team now and going forward - we've got a lot of expensive veterans that naturally get hurt more often and frankly we haven't drafted well enough to replace them.  We got a good game out of Judon today which is great but you see how bad the OL is without Yanda, how SSSr is the most reliable WR and how the pass rush is usually non existent without Sizzle & Doom.

We've got some good young players with B.Williams and Jernigan but what're the odds that at least one of them follows the money out of the door when they hit FA?

We REALLY need Perriman and Stanley to become flat out studs otherwise this type of result will be the norm soon.

[aarondmonroe]

Now that I got my rant  post out. 

Problem #1*****

OFFENSIVE LINE

You can't run and control the game without it.

You can't pass effectively without it.

Offense looks like this without it.

 

[trevorsteadman]

I wonder how many pro bowls we had sitting on the bench today talent wise. Hopefully the bye gets us healthy.

[808Blackbirds]

Is Flacco the problem getting all these offensive coordinators fired? 

[Jacquouille]

I don't believe in Flacco anymore

[AppStRavenfan]

1 minute ago, 808Blackbirds said:

Is Flacco the problem getting all these offensive coordinators fired? 

Considering the only two that were fired were Cameron and Trestman - no, they both have a history of terrible coaching and Cameron couldn't even do it in college FB

[aarondmonroe]

No pre snap movement.  Other teams know what we are running before the snap and there is nothing being done about it.

[Raving_Heathen]

12 minutes ago, AppStRavenfan said:

Even if we were considering moving on from Flacco - which I guarantee we aren't - then who exactly would be the replacement? No QB in the draft is worth taking high if you have an adequate QB, only desperate teams would be forced to take any of them high, any FA won't be any good. Like Flacco or not, we're sticking with him

Right. This FO doesn't exactly have a good eye for drafting star QBs. The chances of us drafting someone worse than Flacco is pretty high imo. I fully acknowledge that Flacco has been flat-out terrible this year, and he's most definitely cost us games, but I also don't want to see him go right now.

[SuggsBarber]

27 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yeah, Flacco usually is good to lay an egg once or twice a year.

 

We need the bye desperately. Just get healthy on the oline. 

 

I wouldn't be objected to another high draft pick tbh

It might be beyond egg laying.He's becoming Scott Mitchell right before our very eyes

[AlwaysA_Raven]

28 minutes ago, reed20 said:

Perriman shut down for 7 games now. Bust.

That's his first year for God sake; what do you expect from him with a crappy OC, QB, and OL. Are you seriously expecting him to carry the veterans!!

[RavensFan34950]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

I don't believe in Flacco anymore

Flacco doesn't even believe in Flacco anymore.

[CorvusMagnus]

10 minutes ago, ravensfan520 said:

My opinion is that we have over spent on a franchise qb that has can not show consistency.  We rolled the dice thinking he could come back after the knee surgery and it looks like he is worse and I don't know if he will ever get what he did have back.  I am okay wit cutting or trading him and taking the dead money to rebuild. We have talent but haven't used it correctly. It's time to build the team up in the trenches and get back to smash mouth football. Draft a game manager at qb in the late rounds like Dallas did with Prescott or Seattle with wilson and hope to get lucky.

You do realize the kind of dead money you're talking about would require crushing our cap for at least a year and cutting a pile of much needed veterans to get rid of a QB we can't reliably replace?

And that the biggest reason Prescott is able to do what is doing is a first round RB and a another 4+ first round OL, which we don't have? And that Wilson is probably the biggest quarterback draft steal since Tom Brady?

I understand the sentiment but you're insane.

[aarondmonroe]

Oh by the way.

 

With the new NFl rule for kickoffs.

Devin HHester the highest paid touchback returner in the NFL.  WHY.

If he ain't coming out with the ball why pay him.  Anybody can do that and take a knee.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

4 minutes ago, aarondmonroe said:

Now that I got my rant  post out. 

Problem #1*****

OFFENSIVE LINE

You can't run and control the game without it.

You can't pass effectively without it.

Offense looks like this without it.

 

Time to draft a few new guys for this even if we have to trade up to get quality guys.

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

So many things wrong. As bad as Flacco is doing we're stuck with him. 

A change from Ozzie and Decosta is needed and that's the first time I've ever said that

Still not totally willing to say it myself, but it is the first time I've even considered it a possibility in my mind.

[Doc]

I still believe in Joe Flacco but IMO we need a real punt returner our "Specialist" can't get out of his own way.

Good Tucker as always

Bad The Ravens in the last 2 minutes

Very Ugly Hester!

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Flaccos new nickname should be COACH KILLER

[Flamengo1265]

So......it looks like the "Is Flacco elite?" debate is settled.

[Cillmatic]

Joe just said his shoulder wasn't bothering him, in that case he just sucked,

[January J]

Only the ravens. Beat themselves every. Single. Week.  There's a turning point every single game where we get a chance to go for the throat and take a multiple possession lead and every single time something happens to prevent us from doing so. Up 10-0 and west scampers about 50 yards inside the 5 and a freaking holding call brings it back. Another was a blatently obvious missed pass interference call against the jets in the  endzone on the throw to Wallace. But don't think for one second I'm going to blame the refs. Once again we completely ABANDON the run game. Joe throwing 40+ times is NOT the recipe for success. You would think Marty would've learned from trestman. Most pass attempts in the league. And go figure as soon as they mention Joe breaking the franchise record for most pass attempts without an interception he tosses two in a row. Also go figure we actually knock out their starting qb and they end up better off. Joe absolutely sucked in the second half. No protection, nobody open, but most importantly he was just off. For once I think we may honestly have had a better chance with mallet at the helm. Something just wasn't right with his arm. He hasnt thrown a td in i dont know how long. And we have no playmakers. You ever notice all these other teams throwing little 5 yard cross routes and getting 60 yard TDs out of them? Never happens to us. That's a problem. And how many times is zuttah going to get pummeled back and end up tripping Joe? Jesus. Only the ravens. First time they've ever lost 4 in a row and we do it to a team like the jets. Perfect opportunity to grab ahold of the north and we flush it down the toilet. Im sick to my stomach right now at this team beating themselves. Recover a fumble and then fumble it right back and give them a fresh set of downs. Lol you can't even make this stuff up!

The good: Judon ( nice breakout game, few sacks) ,Tucker ( worth every penny. This guy is MONEY), Jimmy( Brandon Marshall was quiet), Darren Waller( made some nice plays on ST) Orr, Jernigan ( other than the play that pretty much cost us the game) Wallace ( 100+ Yards)

Bad: Flacco, offensive line, HESTER ( I've seen nothing from him. Better off with campanaro)   letting teams hang around and not being able to PUT THEM AWAY. every week its the same thing. Get the lead. Have a chance to put them away. Crucial mistake. Let them hang around. Lose the lead. Abandon the run. Running out of time. One last hopeless drive only to come up short. Rinse and repeat.

Ugly: this team. Our record. PLAY CALLING. seriously? Abandon the run once again. Flacco is not meant to throw 40+ times. He's not that type of qb. The sooner they figure that out the better.

We blew it. Will take a miracle to turn this season around.

[jboy19]

7 minutes ago, CorvusMagnus said:

You do realize the kind of dead money you're talking about would require crushing our cap for at least a year and cutting a pile of much needed veterans to get rid of a QB we can't reliably replace?

And that the biggest reason Prescott is able to do what is doing is a first round RB and a another 4+ first round OL, which we don't have? And that Wilson is probably the biggest quarterback draft steal since Tom Brady?

I understand the sentiment but you're insane.

Youre talking to a population thats willing to take on 75+ million in dead money so they can "burn it down"... I wouldn't expect a lot of rationality. 

[808Blackbirds]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysA_Raven said:

That's his first year for God sake; what do you expect from him with a crappy OC, QB, and OL. Are you seriously expecting him to carry the veterans!!

Why is Chris Moore getting more opportunities. they both suck but one is 4 rounder

[hn68wb4]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Still not totally willing to say it myself, but it is the first time I've even considered it a possibility in my mind.

If there were a better alternative I'd be all for it...but having watched the draft class of QBs I don't see one worth taking as high as we'll probably be picking, they all have fatal flaws that could result in them laying an egg in the NFL.

[aarondmonroe]

Ravens are playing scared with NO emotion.

 

Just look at any other game.

[SuggsBarber]

23 minutes ago, iceripper said:

Good: Judon,Pierce, Jimmy, Bwilliams

Bad: team plays with no energy and passion

Ugly We're paying 25m for a qb who doesn't step into throws.

Add to that in that he cannot sidestep/move up in the pocket as well.It makes his lineman look worst.

[ravensfan520]

5 minutes ago, CorvusMagnus said:

You do realize the kind of dead money you're talking about would require crushing our cap for at least a year and cutting a pile of much needed veterans to get rid of a QB we can't reliably replace?

And that the biggest reason Prescott is able to do what is doing is a first round RB and a another 4+ first round OL, which we don't have? And that Wilson is probably the biggest quarterback draft steal since Tom Brady?

I understand the sentiment but you're Insane.

So mister cap manager what is the dead money.  We have a young group of lineman in Uershal Stanley Lewis that look good when playing. And who are these veterans that we will losing that aren't already coming off the books such as Suggs Smith and even Dumervill can be replaced. Weddle and Smith are the only defensive veterans I would hate to lose.  On offense we are young in the right positions. 

[Ravensfan23]

What will Pitta stand up in front of the media and say about the offense now? 2 weeks ago it was the offense was in a bad spot and needed a change, trestman didn't have enough energy and players didn't respond to him. Well now that your sorry play has gotten a man fired, what's the excuse now? Will the players finally be held accountable? I'm not just picking on Pitta but everyone seemed to be so happy with his tell it like it is presser a couple weeks ago, but while Trestman was an issue it's always been clear that he wasn't the biggest issue, well at least to me it has. So who's the scapegoat now?

Flacco's shoulder had nothing to do with his poor performance. He just flat out played poorly. I don't care how good an opponents defense is you can't run the ball less than 10 times, especially when your QB hasn't practiced all week and you have 4 healthy young RBs active. Yes Aiken leaving the game hurt, but that shouldn't be the reason for boneheaded play. 

Hester seems to be nothing in the return game. I know Asa had ball security issues, but I have to think he'd be a better option right now. Yet again another stupid play by a defensive player and our defense again looked old and slow in the secondary. 

There were some positives though. I thought Judon played well enough, wasn't a clean game but was good. Even though the Jets had a lot of rushing yards, I thought BW played well. Other than that one huge play that should have never happened on 2nd and 18 I thought the secondary held up well, but it was the Jets.

[808Blackbirds]

3 minutes ago, aarondmonroe said:

Oh by the way.

 

With the new NFl rule for kickoffs.

Devin HHester the highest paid touchback returner in the NFL.  WHY.

If he ain't coming out with the ball why pay him.  Anybody can do that and take a knee.

Its the coaches making him lose his confidence.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The Good: Special Teams. The sad thing is if we could have gotten this week's performance in any of the previous losses we'd still be 4-3 even with this loss.