The good, the bad, really bad and ugly week 7 vs Jets vent

[Passepartout]

Goodell really thinks he could go and expand the popularity of football. The NFL Europe thing and no offense to Europe is way too much IMHO!

[trevorsteadman]

21 minutes ago, flynismo said:

After reading those comments by Harbaugh...

As a card carrying Harbaugh fanboy, I am EXTREMELY disappointed at his comments regarding Jernigan.

I'm reading his words, and while I don't think he is directly placing blame on Jernigan for the loss...of all people to criticize, why Jernigan? Why not Flacco after one of the worst second halves of football of his career? Why not Marty? Did we not just fire Trestman for abandoning the run (among quite a few other things)? Why not call out this entire OL that is destroying this offense? Why not the WRs, who as a whole once again failed?

I mean really, this makes me kind of mad. I was already pissed a few weeks ago when he more or less lied to our faces, talking about how "we didn't abandon the run" and then the very next day fires Trestman. Now this? Just....unbelievable. The next time he opens his mouth, it had better be to take accountability for the state of this team. That is what leaders do Harbaugh.

If you read between the lines, it's very clear Jernigan did not appreciate what was said. And who could blame him? I'm pissed about it, and it has nothing to do with me personally...I can only imagine what Timmy is thinking right now.

Bye week could not come a moment sooner. Harbaugh has two weeks to turn this all around.

I agree and I place no blame on Jernigan... I mean who blames the big guy for trying to make a play when the offense clearly wasn't going to get into the endzone Sunday.... 

[Filmstudy]

This came from the interview transcripts today:

Jerry Rosburg

Did they spot the ball right after the blocked field goal? (Luke Jones) “You can call the NFL office and ask them that.” (laughter)

Did you guys point that out? Did you not challenge that? (Luke Jones) “We tried.”

It’s not a challengeable play? (Luke Jones) “The next play already ensued, so there was nothing we could do after the fact.”

 

He was put in a very uncomfortable position answering these questions.  Rosburg is a demon during practice, but he's an extremely cerebral coach and that's clear whenever he takes the podium.  He had to know the spot was wrong from experience.  Some interaction between he and Harbaugh is apparent on the Top View of the coaches film prior to the Ravens snap.  It's very brief and at the bottom of the screen, but the pooch was badly screwed here.  It looks to me as if Harbaugh made the decision not to throw the challenge flag.  I interpret Rosburg's answers as:

1.  Trying to use humor to defuse the situation and hope like hell the line of questioning disappears.

2.  "We tried" may refer to his efforts to inform Harbaugh of the incorrect spot.

3.  The play is challengeable, because the only reason that ball does not go back to the spot of the kick is if it's touched by the return team after the block.  A touch of a kicked ball is specifically listed as challengeable.  Rosburg knows that for sure.  Harbaugh also has a special teams background and should know it as well.  My interpretation of his 3rd answer is "We were too late making the challenge." 

There was absolutely 0 reason not to throw the red flag to stop the action.  We have seen time and again when a coach tosses the flag, but the play is determined unchallengeable, the officials simply announce the play was not challengeable and do not charge a timeout.  There was no downside risk.

I'm a big John Harbaugh fan.  I thought he had a good year of game management in 2015 that exactly fit the weakness of the team with a higher level of risk accepted.  However, this was simply an enormous whiff and he should own it.

After all, the officials for the game are going to own it in the form of a downgrade for the crew.

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

 

"naive to say that he cost the Ravens the game?"  Let's be clear here(LMAO!), that's not even what I said.

Good chance the Ravens win if he just does what he's supposed to do.  Would you rather I say "a better chance of winning"? You never know what might happen with such a huge shift in momentum. Getting the TO in the red zone like that is a play winning teams make, instills confidence and gives everyone a jolt. Often turns team performance and games around, especially tight ones. It happens numerous times every Sunday. 

That's not what you said, but Harbaugh essentially said it and that's what I'm trying to avoid.

I just don't know if I can agree because the Ravens blocked a punt for a TD, forced one, then proceeded to get a FG. that offense was just highly inept . 

[Tank 92]

21 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That's not what you said, but Harbaugh essentially said it and that's what I'm trying to avoid.

I just don't know if I can agree because the Ravens blocked a punt for a TD, forced one, then proceeded to get a FG. that offense was just highly inept . 

Not sure what you mean. I copied and pasted out of my original post. 

Don't underestimate him. Old Mo can be a powerful dude!   haha!

edit;  I also think we had a good chance to beat the skins if Mosely doesn't throw the ball through the end zone. Another "brilliant" play.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Tank 92

[January J]

14 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The offense scores a grand total of 9 points, gets six rushing yards from it's running backs, throws two interceptions, goes 2-8 on third down in the second half, but we're going to pinpoint this one play as the reason they lost...? 

You all are REALLY stretching it here.

Also, it was on second down, so it wasn't like the Jets didn't have two more opportunities to score points. Hell, even if the play doesn't happen and the Jets don't score a touchdown, a field goal STILL makes it a four point game, meaning the Ravens had to score a touchdown. Guess what? The Ravens didn't score a touchdown in the entire game on offense.

Trying to blame the game on Timmy Jernigan and not the ineptitude of the offense is laughable at best.

However, let's say Timmy does fall on it and the Ravens start on the three. Do you really have any faith in them whatsoever that they would move the ball and score points? I don't.

Don't know how you got that out of what I said.. Infact I specifically said that's not the reason we lost. Just simply stating we've had alot of bad luck. But yeah if he falls on it and its still a one point game I may not trust them to get in the endzone but I damn sure trust Tucker's leg to give us the lead even if we could only get to the 40 yard line. It would've been third down after that stop...meaning we only had to stop them once more before they attempted the feild goal and put them up by 4.(which we also could've blocked, which isn't that farfetched considering) Yes we still would've had to score a TD but  things aren't looking quite as grim knowing we don't also have to get a two point conversion. Giving them the ball back with a fresh set of downs and then allowing the TD immediately gave them all of the momentum and killed any hope of winning. Ofcourse I blame the offense for the loss-but had we gotten that fumble we could've gotten some momentum back and stolen a W with Tucker.

[Noppie]

I like the Ravens and they are my team.

I doubt this is read by the Ravens  BUT.  MY issues though not with Joe Flacco directly. The Raven will be 3 down x number yards. A pass will be thrown that is several yards short of the first down marker.  I realize that Flacco is just going with play called by offense coordinator.  BUT going short on ever 3rd down will not get that first down.

AND it appears that Ravens as team have chased away, traded away very talented O-Linemen.  In the JETS game as far as I am concern the OL held it own. BUT they were on most down unable to create holes on command.  

I would like to see Flacco threw sooner. In my option he is holding to the ball too long.  

I understand they are the athletes on the field.   

[trevorsteadman]

20 hours ago, Noppie said:

I like the Ravens and they are my team.

I doubt this is read by the Ravens  BUT.  MY issues though not with Joe Flacco directly. The Raven will be 3 down x number yards. A pass will be thrown that is several yards short of the first down marker.  I realize that Flacco is just going with play called by offense coordinator.  BUT going short on ever 3rd down will not get that first down.

AND it appears that Ravens as team have chased away, traded away very talented O-Linemen.  In the JETS game as far as I am concern the OL held it own. BUT they were on most down unable to create holes on command.  

I would like to see Flacco threw sooner. In my option he is holding to the ball too long.  

I understand they are the athletes on the field.   

That is exactly why they fired Trestman but they still have to play out of his playbook for the year but the new OC will be calling different plays out of that playbook. Expect more changes out of the bye week when there is more time to work out some kinks.

The only valuable guy they let walk was K.O. and there is no way you are paying a guard 12 million a year. The health of the O-line is more key than the talent. The talent is there the health is not. 

The reason there was no run game was because of the O-line. Flacco cannot hold onto the ball any longer he already rates in the top 10 in time it takes him to throw the ball. He is also #1 in pass attempts which is not a good recipe for that kind of quarterback especially when receivers are not getting open.

You can't single point one player on the offense that is doing bad. Everybody is doing bad. Which needs to get fixed.

[Cillmatic]

Funny enough I didn't see anyone talk about Correa getting that strip-fumble on Forte.

as much grief as he's been getting I thought it would be more noise about him having a good outing.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

37 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Funny enough I didn't see anyone talk about Correa getting that strip-fumble on Forte.

as much grief as he's been getting I thought it would be more noise about him having a good outing.

I was going to mention it, but it was credited to Lawrence Guy and I wasn't sure if I just missed what actually happened.  Saw a replay the other day and it was definitely Correa.

Edited October 27, 2016 by rmw10

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

Funny enough I didn't see anyone talk about Correa getting that strip-fumble on Forte.

as much grief as he's been getting I thought it would be more noise about him having a good outing.

 

30 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I was going to mention it, but it was credited to Lawrence Guy and I wasn't sure if I just missed what actually happened.  Saw a replay the other day and it was definitely Correa.

Yea he played really well. I mentioned how he and Judon played well in tandem and I think that should be how that position is handled. Start Correa over McClellan and let him develop in game. I think he earned another start in Doom's absence. I'd like to see him used more on 3rd downs and not just in coverage. I think he'd be a weapon in blitz packages. 

[PurpleCity5]

13 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

 

Yea he played really well. I mentioned how he and Judon played well in tandem and I think that should be how that position is handled. Start Correa over McClellan and let him develop in game. I think he earned another start in Doom's absence. I'd like to see him used more on 3rd downs and not just in coverage. I think he'd be a weapon in blitz packages. 

I agree, get through the growing pains because McClellan is not playing up to par at all. He's another Upshaw IMO. He's good in the run game but does not give much in the pass rush. I want to see Correa and Judon out there more. Not that I would want to push McClellan out because he's good against the run, just don't think McClellan is good enough to keep Correa and Judon off the field. 

Edited October 27, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[Ravensfan23]

8 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I agree, get through the growing pains because McClellan is not playing up to par at all. He's another Upshaw IMO. He's good in the run game but does not give much in the pass rush. I want to see Correa and Judon out there more. Not that I would want to push McClellan out because he's good against the run, just don't think McClellan is good enough to keep Correa and Judon off the field. 

Yea I think the biggest issue for Correa at OLB was his size, but I didn't seem any limitations. The Ravens wanted him to learn both OLB and ILB which they still do, but I think Orr is handling the ILB position really well and they should just allow Correa to focus on being a 3 down player at OLB. 

It's not easy to justify pulling Orr off the field at all being he's playing so well, but I think a Nickle package of Correa and Mosley at ILB with Suggs, Timmy, Z and Judon would provide really good pass rush options. You could get real creative with Correa and Mosley because they are both really solid in coverage and can also blitz well. 

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea I think the biggest issue for Correa at OLB was his size, but I didn't seem any limitations. The Ravens wanted him to learn both OLB and ILB which they still do, but I think Orr is handling the ILB position really well and they should just allow Correa to focus on being a 3 down player at OLB. 

It's not easy to justify pulling Orr off the field at all being he's playing so well, but I think a Nickle package of Correa and Mosley at ILB with Suggs, Timmy, Z and Judon would provide really good pass rush options. You could get real creative with Correa and Mosley because they are both really solid in coverage and can also blitz well. 

I don't know if Correa is good right now rushing the passer, he's still raw. I personally think he should get more reps for two reasons, #1, Albert McClellan has not played well enough to keep him off the field and #2, best way to develop a player is to have them see the field. You may get frustrated with Correa sometimes, but just let him go through it, also like you said, there's not a lot of reasons for Correa to develop as an ILB, he's not taking Mosley or Orr off of the field. Just won't happen. Also I did see Correa on the field on blitzing packages, didn't see a lot of pressure but it might be better with Mosley there. 

I did see him get totally blasted by a situational blocker against Cleveland, a guy like Suggs would rip him apart. Outside of that, his main problems seems to be more on technique, just not a lot of ways to win at the point of attack. Smaller but faster hybrid OLBs are not winning off of strength, sometimes it feels like Correa tries to do that. 

[Cillmatic]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't know if Correa is good right now rushing the passer, he's still raw. I personally think he should get more reps for two reasons, #1, Albert McClellan has not played well enough to keep him off the field and #2, best way to develop a player is to have them see the field. You may get frustrated with Correa sometimes, but just let him go through it, also like you said, there's not a lot of reasons for Correa to develop as an ILB, he's not taking Mosley or Orr off of the field. Just won't happen. Also I did see Correa on the field on blitzing packages, didn't see a lot of pressure but it might be better with Mosley there. 

I did see him get totally blasted by a situational blocker against Cleveland, a guy like Suggs would rip him apart. Outside of that, his main problems seems to be more on technique, just not a lot of ways to win at the point of attack. Smaller but faster hybrid OLBs are not winning off of strength, sometimes it feels like Correa tries to do that. 

The LB coach said he's still trying to make Correa a ILB in the team pressers earlier this week. Looks like even he's tone deaf.

[Ravenseconbeast]

8 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

The LB coach said he's still trying to make Correa a ILB in the team pressers earlier this week. Looks like even he's tone deaf.

It could be that Correa can be utilized in multiple position.  We already have few OLB pass rusher in development.  Judon/Zadarius/Brent Urban are in the mix.  

Whatever our coaches were doing @ last game, they panned out pretty well once the young guys stepped in.   Let our coaches do their job and figure it out.   Correa got a fumble out of it.   Judon got a great hit.   Coaches are doing it right and making young play productive.   Give them time to figure it out.

[kassaiscool]

I want Flacco to take accountability for his play. How does Phillip Rivers still produce with a bad oline? I can't even name one receiver with the Chargers right now, and hes less mobile than Flacco. Yet he still produces at a high level. Yes I know the O-line is bad and they have to be blamed as well. But I watch Flacco closely and he still has the same issues he did as a younger player. Doesn't step up in the pocket, Awareness of pass rush is not good, Joe has a strong arm but hes inaccurate. I harp on Flacco a lot because he is the highest played player on this team, and he doesn't produce like he should. Think of how many offensive coordinators the organization has had since Flacco has been QB. Only one coordinator worked well with Flacco and that was Kubiak. Kubiak stresses the run more than the pass. Kubiak offense pretty much works with every QB, even younger ones because there is less pressure on the QB. Defense is still good in my opinion. I know they are not the best, but they are highly ranked. We have no offense, that's an on going theme with the Ravens.

[stampedehero]

Two Issues.  We lost due to bad execution and team mistakes. You could peg coaching as a near third on the list.  The players and coaches now have our bitter rival ahead.  They should target  next Sunday for the new start point. After all,the Bengals have the same record as us. Time to act like we are confident and have clear decisions.  

Edited October 30, 2016 by stampedehero
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[Ravenseconbeast]

On 10/27/2016 at 5:39 PM, Cillmatic said:

Funny enough I didn't see anyone talk about Correa getting that strip-fumble on Forte.

as much grief as he's been getting I thought it would be more noise about him having a good outing.

 

Nope.  I mentioned it several times right after the game.  Im pretty invisible unless its about Flacco.  Then folks starts riling up on me.

[trevorsteadman]

On 10/30/2016 at 5:05 AM, kassaiscool said:

I want Flacco to take accountability for his play. How does Phillip Rivers still produce with a bad oline? I can't even name one receiver with the Chargers right now, and hes less mobile than Flacco. Yet he still produces at a high level. Yes I know the O-line is bad and they have to be blamed as well. But I watch Flacco closely and he still has the same issues he did as a younger player. Doesn't step up in the pocket, Awareness of pass rush is not good, Joe has a strong arm but hes inaccurate. I harp on Flacco a lot because he is the highest played player on this team, and he doesn't produce like he should. Think of how many offensive coordinators the organization has had since Flacco has been QB. Only one coordinator worked well with Flacco and that was Kubiak. Kubiak stresses the run more than the pass. Kubiak offense pretty much works with every QB, even younger ones because there is less pressure on the QB. Defense is still good in my opinion. I know they are not the best, but they are highly ranked. We have no offense, that's an on going theme with the Ravens.

He has taken accountability he said he needs to play better but why do you think Rivers has inflated stats in his career? It is because he is used to being down 20 points and having to try to bring the team back. The difference with Flacco is he is in an offense that didn't fit his strengths and he was passing short check downs every time and our players do not have the athletic ability to make big plays off of short catches. The Ravens offensive line has been worse this year than the Chargers. He needs to fix his footwork but I don't blame him for not stepping into his throws after seeing some of the offensive linemen get pushed back. The whole blame cannot be blamed on Flacco. He is playing poorly but that is a mix of what is around him as well along with the OC change. Hopefully there is time for Marty M. to make some changes for the Steelers. 

[VermontRaven]

Mods--Can we close this thread please?  We've had more than a week to vent over this game.  I think it's time to move on to the Steelers game.