The good, the bad, really bad and ugly week 7 vs Jets vent

[Moderator 2]

10 hours ago, Edgar said:

I began noticing it last year but chalked it up to the Ravens struggles (my diminishing interest).

The quarterback play league wide is on the whole and by comparison, poor. Many games are simply a struggle to see who stinks the least and are unwatchable.

The cutsey and pandering way that the NFL promotes itself has really grown both tiresome and insulting. I dare anyone to watch the NFL network for five minutes (outside of, " path to the draft"), and not feel it a colossal waste of time. 

draft season has become more intriguing to me than the games.

 

I disagree about Draft being more interesting then the games  BUT I believe parity, limited exposure to coaches, monitoring training and nutrition-- Goddell has signed the death order for the league.  While I love football Sunday,Monday and Thursday (sorta if my teams not playing).  The whole Europe thing is too much of a good thing

[arnie_uk]

He's losing it. He can't handle any blame himself but is too happy to throw players under the bus.

[Cillmatic]

7 hours ago, FoxRox75 said:

Stick a fork in us. AFC North is super disappointing this year.

And we STILL can't take advantage of it, ironically we just finished the EASY part of our schedule, we have the real teams up next, the bengals have it reversed, expect them to start winning out.

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

From Ravens transcripts of interviews after the game:

Harbaugh:

On Timmy Jernigan fumbling after a fumble recovery…

Yeah, you’ve got to stay in the end zone there and he knows that. That’s not one where you bring it out. You’re not a ball- carrier. It was a huge play in the game and, obviously, it was a difference in the game. We’re going for a field goal at the end and not a touchdown. Those are the kinds of things that are costing us games and those are the kinds of things that have to stop.

Jernigan:

On whether he thought he could pick up Matt Forté’s fumble and put the Ravens’ offense in better field position…

That’s what I thought, but from now on I don’t care if I have 100 yards in front of me with no one in front of me, I’ll fall on the ball just to make everybody happy. Everybody stays happy that way.

 

If Harbaugh had simply said: "It was a very costly fumble.  It probably cost us the game.  Timmy's got to practice better ball security."

that would have been infinitely better than what he did say, which is questioning the decision to bring the ball out.  Harbaugh also happens to be wrong about Jernigan's decision (see the article linked above for details on why), which compounds his error.

I think it's also pretty clear from Jernigan's response that Harbaugh's tongue lashing didn't make a lot of sense to him. 

When I saw the play in real time, someone on hear commented that he should have gone down in the end zone, but I thought for sure that it was a safety if he did. Him bringing it out wasn't an issue to me, nor was it what cost the Ravens the game. 

I find it very shameful that Harbaugh would throw all the blame on to Jernigan for trying to make a play when the offense didn't score a single touchdown, was abysmal (under 30%, right?) on third down, and had 10 rushing yards from their running backs. 

If Harbaugh really thinks he can point to that play and say, "It cost us the game," he's going to start losing the faith of players in the locker room. If I'm Timmy Jernigan, I'm pissed as hell if he's putting blame on me in any way because all he did was try to make a play in a game where the offense was not doing anything. 

I don't see how it cost the Ravens the game in the slightest bit. Did it suck that he fumbled? Absolutely. But can we really isolate that one defensive play as the reason the Ravens lost when you had Zach Orr covering offensive lineman or several players missing tackles on a short curls route? 

Side note, I also think the rulebook needs to be majorly tweaked. The fumbled touchdown by Mosley in the Redskins game is a very confusing rule to me. He clearly had possession and the only thing that changed was the fact that he fumbled, untouched mind you, out of the end zone. Had he fumbled at the 1, it's Ravens ball at the one. But because he fumbles just a little too far, it's the Redskins ball on the 20 (net gain of yards for them) and a fresh set of downs. Similarly, Timmy Jernigan trying to advance the fumble gives the Jets a fresh set of downs? I think that's absurdly dumb. I understand it's a change of possession and then another change of possession in this scenario, so it makes a little more sense, but it just really is a dumb rule to me as far as fumbles and interceptions are concerned.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

I disagree about Draft being more interesting then the games  BUT I believe parity, limited exposure to coaches, monitoring training and nutrition-- Goddell has signed the death order for the league.  While I love football Sunday,Monday and Thursday (sorta if my teams not playing).  The whole Europe thing is too much of a good thing

I actually like the NFL going to other countries because if you watch the games, there are so many fans there in other jerseys for teams that aren't there. You'll probably see every NFL team represented in the stadium and you can tell it means a lot to the fans over there. 

My big issue with playing on every Thursday and going overseas for games is that they choose the worst possible teams for these games.

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

From Ravens transcripts of interviews after the game:

Harbaugh:

On Timmy Jernigan fumbling after a fumble recovery…

Yeah, you’ve got to stay in the end zone there and he knows that. That’s not one where you bring it out. You’re not a ball- carrier. It was a huge play in the game and, obviously, it was a difference in the game. We’re going for a field goal at the end and not a touchdown. Those are the kinds of things that are costing us games and those are the kinds of things that have to stop.

Jernigan:

On whether he thought he could pick up Matt Forté’s fumble and put the Ravens’ offense in better field position…

That’s what I thought, but from now on I don’t care if I have 100 yards in front of me with no one in front of me, I’ll fall on the ball just to make everybody happy. Everybody stays happy that way.

 

If Harbaugh had simply said: "It was a very costly fumble.  It probably cost us the game.  Timmy's got to practice better ball security."

that would have been infinitely better than what he did say, which is questioning the decision to bring the ball out.  Harbaugh also happens to be wrong about Jernigan's decision (see the article linked above for details on why), which compounds his error.

I think it's also pretty clear from Jernigan's response that Harbaugh's tongue lashing didn't make a lot of sense to him. 

You know, I don't blame Jernigan.  He picked that ball up around the 1 and was trying to get the offense some more space.  Unfortunately, it just didn't fall our way again.

[Tank 92]

Linemen, aka guys that never handle the football, are taught from Pop Warner on to, above all, wrap up and protect the ball. Sure, every once in a while you've got a big man that's a physical freak and has the agility of a much smaller player, but Timmy ain't that guy. Wrap up and secure the ball. It ain't about making people happy, it's about playing disciplined, winning football. 

[January J]

52 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

You know, I don't blame Jernigan.  He picked that ball up around the 1 and was trying to get the offense some more space.  Unfortunately, it just didn't fall our way again.

I don't blame him for that either- I blame him for not keeping two hands on the ball and/or making sure it was we secured. Its unacceptable. May not have been the reason we lost but cost us 7 points and a huge momentum shift. With all these close games we've been playing every play matters, every penalty matters and every INCH matters. I applaud him for trying to get the offense some space, but once you get it past the 5 yard line just fall on it dude. The fact that it got them a fresh set of downs really took the cake. Seems like stuff like that only happens to us. If it can go wrong- it will. Just like the cj play- not only did that play likely cost us the game- but he hurts himself which then hurt us for the next 2 games. We've just got THE worst luck these past2 years. The football gods cursed us for the ray rice fiasco or somethin.

Edited October 25, 2016 by January J

[Gtown Purple]

Our oline is getting whipped every week. 

 

6 rushing yards for the game

42 total yards in the second half.

 

embarrassing.....

[MTRavensFan]

21 hours ago, Edgar said:

I began noticing it last year but chalked it up to the Ravens struggles (my diminishing interest).

The quarterback play league wide is on the whole and by comparison, poor. Many games are simply a struggle to see who stinks the least and are unwatchable.

The cutsey and pandering way that the NFL promotes itself has really grown both tiresome and insulting. I dare anyone to watch the NFL network for five minutes (outside of, " path to the draft"), and not feel it a colossal waste of time. 

draft season has become more intriguing to me than the games.

 

Really interesting commentary by Louis Riddick on ESPN following last night's game on how offensive play across the board has deteriorated because lineman coming out of college have been taught "nothing that translates" to the NFL, so when you have rookies, and young guys, like we do, AND you're shuffling them out of position, the results, as you say, are borderline unwatchable. Despite all of the recent rule changes favoring the Offense, play continues to decline, which is why "NFL-ready" lineman like Stanley and Tunsil come at such a premium.

I remember a few years back how people were laughing at Jerry Jones for taking a center with his first round pick; well, we're not laughing now.

[trevorsteadman]

5 hours ago, January J said:

I don't blame him for that either- I blame him for not keeping two hands on the ball and/or making sure it was we secured. Its unacceptable. May not have been the reason we lost but cost us 7 points and a huge momentum shift. With all these close games we've been playing every play matters, every penalty matters and every INCH matters. I applaud him for trying to get the offense some space, but once you get it past the 5 yard line just fall on it dude. The fact that it got them a fresh set of downs really took the cake. Seems like stuff like that only happens to us. If it can go wrong- it will. Just like the cj play- not only did that play likely cost us the game- but he hurts himself which then hurt us for the next 2 games. We've just got THE worst luck these past2 years. The football gods cursed us for the ray rice fiasco or somethin.

I feel the same... We make plays and then stupid things happen. While we were still lacking plays offensively there were still plays like the Terrance West 49 yard run that was negated due to a holding penalty. I think if this team is healthy they can win 7 of their last 9 games it would be very tough but not impossible especially the way the rest of the division is going. But they need to fix them NOW. Hopefully with a new OC and time to prepare two weeks for the Steelers with the bye week with a bunch of key players coming back they can steal a game. 

[Edgar]

57 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Really interesting commentary by Louis Riddick on ESPN following last night's game on how offensive play across the board has deteriorated because lineman coming out of college have been taught "nothing that translates" to the NFL, so when you have rookies, and young guys, like we do, AND you're shuffling them out of position, the results, as you say, are borderline unwatchable. Despite all of the recent rule changes favoring the Offense, play continues to decline, which is why "NFL-ready" lineman like Stanley and Tunsil come at such a premium.

I remember a few years back how people were laughing at Jerry Jones for taking a center with his first round pick; well, we're not laughing now.

I think the sense of urgency to play these guys straightaway, get what you can out if them because you won't be able to pay them in four years mentality , certainly exacerbates the problem.

I'd be curious to hear his take because it isn't all that new to have guys who are raw technically coming out. There just isn't time to coach these guys in college. 

D LINE and edge guys rarely have a clue how to use their hands for the same reason.

I can't get over how many really bad football TEAMS there are. I mean, we really aren't good... but after seven weeks I don't think we've played a good one. 

[Tru11]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

When I saw the play in real time, someone on hear commented that he should have gone down in the end zone, but I thought for sure that it was a safety if he did. Him bringing it out wasn't an issue to me, nor was it what cost the Ravens the game. 

I find it very shameful that Harbaugh would throw all the blame on to Jernigan for trying to make a play when the offense didn't score a single touchdown, was abysmal (under 30%, right?) on third down, and had 10 rushing yards from their running backs. 

If Harbaugh really thinks he can point to that play and say, "It cost us the game," he's going to start losing the faith of players in the locker room. If I'm Timmy Jernigan, I'm pissed as hell if he's putting blame on me in any way because all he did was try to make a play in a game where the offense was not doing anything. 

I don't see how it cost the Ravens the game in the slightest bit. Did it suck that he fumbled? Absolutely. But can we really isolate that one defensive play as the reason the Ravens lost when you had Zach Orr covering offensive lineman or several players missing tackles on a short curls route? 

Side note, I also think the rulebook needs to be majorly tweaked. The fumbled touchdown by Mosley in the Redskins game is a very confusing rule to me. He clearly had possession and the only thing that changed was the fact that he fumbled, untouched mind you, out of the end zone. Had he fumbled at the 1, it's Ravens ball at the one. But because he fumbles just a little too far, it's the Redskins ball on the 20 (net gain of yards for them) and a fresh set of downs. Similarly, Timmy Jernigan trying to advance the fumble gives the Jets a fresh set of downs? I think that's absurdly dumb. I understand it's a change of possession and then another change of possession in this scenario, so it makes a little more sense, but it just really is a dumb rule to me as far as fumbles and interceptions are concerned.

im suprised there is so little outrage about Harbaugh unjustifyingly throwing a player on the bus.
people wanted pees head for far less.

goes to show you how biased people are tbh.

also its a safety if you willingly for no reason run into your own endzone and go down lol.

might be wrong but the fumble happened around the 4 yard line and was recovered at the 3rd yard line give or take.
he then willingly ran a yard into the endzone before coming out and fumbling.

if he where to take a knee there it would have been a safety unless you could make the argument that momentum carried him into the endzone.
would be a huge stretch tbh.

not sure if i should be surprised or not that our HC does not know of these details .......

[Ravens4Real]

Harbaugh throwing Jernigan under the bus, is just the beginning. No way the FO will sit on their hands again if this team finishes under .500 again. 

I fully believe Harbaugh would be let go if he has another season like last and it looks like it may turn out a little better but not by much.

How can you, as a head coach, criticize one of your best performing players, on the defensive side of the ball, the unit who is responsible for even making this team look like a below average team?! If it wasn't for our D playing over their heads, this team would honestly be in the bottom 5 in the league.

How can he criticize one mess up by an extremely young player still learning when he watches Flacco, a veteran making more than anyone on this team, screw up about 20 times a game? How is he not being criticized? This team thinks just because he's the franchise player that he can't be touched. That's straight horse[profanity deleted]. If anything he should be getting more of the blame than anyone. I'd love to see his stats compared to the others in this league that are up there in his echelon of salary. 

Salary or not, he's playing like a bottom 5 QB right now. That's the most glaring problem.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[Filmstudy]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

im suprised there is so little outrage about Harbaugh unjustifyingly throwing a player on the bus.
people wanted pees head for far less.

goes to show you how biased people are tbh.

also its a safety if you willingly for no reason run into your own endzone and go down lol.

might be wrong but the fumble happened around the 4 yard line and was recovered at the 3rd yard line give or take.
he then willingly ran a yard into the endzone before coming out and fumbling.

if he where to take a knee there it would have been a safety unless you could make the argument that momentum carried him into the endzone.
would be a huge stretch tbh.

not sure if i should be surprised or not that our HC does not know of these details .......

This.

And if there are folks who think Jernigan should have gone down in the end zone:

1.  The ball would only have been returned to the 3-yard line, not the 20.

2.  It might have been ruled a safety.

Those are both bad options, but a safety is so much worse, you have to bring it out.

[codizzle]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

im suprised there is so little outrage about Harbaugh unjustifyingly throwing a player on the bus.
people wanted pees head for far less.

goes to show you how biased people are tbh.

also its a safety if you willingly for no reason run into your own endzone and go down lol.

might be wrong but the fumble happened around the 4 yard line and was recovered at the 3rd yard line give or take.
he then willingly ran a yard into the endzone before coming out and fumbling.

if he where to take a knee there it would have been a safety unless you could make the argument that momentum carried him into the endzone.
would be a huge stretch tbh.

not sure if i should be surprised or not that our HC does not know of these details .......

Don't really see it as throwing him under the bus.. this team needs accountability and needs to figure out how to be a good team again. Ravens have been a perennial playoff contender. They aren't that at all right now. 

 

 I think harbaugh also needs to learn how to coach a bad team. 

[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Harbaugh throwing Jernigan under the bus, is just the beginning. No way the FO will sit on their hands again if this team finishes under .500 again. 

I fully believe Harbaugh would be let go if he has another season like last and it looks like it may turn out a little better but not by much.

How can you, as a head coach, criticize one of your best performing players, on the defensive side of the ball, the unit who is responsible for even making this team look like a below average team?! If it wasn't for our D playing over their heads, this team would honestly be in the bottom 5 in the league.

How can he criticize one mess up by an extremely young player still learning when he watches Flacco, a veteran making more than anyone on this team, screw up about 20 times a game? How is he not being criticized? This team thinks just because he's the franchise player that he can't be touched. That's straight horse[profanity deleted]. If anything he should be getting more of the blame than anyone. I'd love to see his stats compared to the others in this league that are up there in his echelon of salary. 

Salary or not, he's playing like a bottom 5 QB right now. That's the most glaring problem.

The glaring problem is it is everybody on offense playing terrible... You can't point one person out. That partially has to do with the offense going into this season does not fit the personnel we have which was on Trestman. Then you have a new offensive coordinator and the whole offense is not playing well. You can blame it on so many different issues like a lot of the starters not playing much in the offseason to get chemistry. But the real issue has been the last few years. It isn't just Flacco even though he had one of those Flacco games he usually has two times a year that makes us lose. It is the entire offense. Penalties, drops, the offense looks like it has no energy at all. Flacco has not screwed up 20 times a game. He has been solid overall besides this previous game with his two interceptions in a row. His receivers are dropping key balls, receivers aren't getting open, the run game has been inconsistent. 

Flacco's play is far from the only issue. And it won't get any better even if Flacco played like Aaron Rodgers the rest of the season. The whole offense does not look well coached at the time. Look at the starters. West was signed last year halfway through the season and was a back up throughout the offseason now our starter. Pitta recently came back from being out of football for 2 years basically. Perriman has came off two torn acls. Steve Smith is coming off of a torn achilles and now is battling an ankle issue. Flacco came back from a torn acl/mcl. When have these guys had time to click together? It doesn't help when Flacco is getting pressured every play he has to get rid of the football faster than accustomed to.

What this team needs is extra practice over these next two weeks. I am hoping here soon those pieces click that haven't played with each other for a long time. This was probably an overlooked issue coming into this season and now it is starting to take light. The team needs a stable group of weapons that isn't changing week in and week out.

[Moderator 2]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I actually like the NFL going to other countries because if you watch the games, there are so many fans there in other jerseys for teams that aren't there. You'll probably see every NFL team represented in the stadium and you can tell it means a lot to the fans over there. 

My big issue with playing on every Thursday and going overseas for games is that they choose the worst possible teams for these games.

I hear and get what you are saying, let's expand North to Canada and South to Mexico, at least we would be i the same time zones, I feel really sorry for the Rams, Raiders, Niners, Seahawks and the Cardinals, that is lot of time zones.

I do believe the Bills play some games in Canada already

edit to add: They stopped playing 2 yrs ago-- woops.

[Tank 92]

Again......Lineman are taught from a young age to wrap up and secure the ball. A fat man like Jernigan should never have run backwards with one hand/arm on the ball trying to get around the end of the play. Wrap up with both arms and try to push forward at most, or just fall on the ball. simple basic fundamentals. Good chance the Ravens win if he just does what he's supposed to do. Who did he think he was, Haloti Ngata?   lol

FWIW  I may be wrong but I doubt Harbaugh had seen film when he made the end zone comment and just thought that was where it was recovered. 

Edited October 25, 2016 by Tank 92

[redrum52]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

im suprised there is so little outrage about Harbaugh unjustifyingly throwing a player on the bus.
people wanted pees head for far less.

goes to show you how biased people are tbh.

also its a safety if you willingly for no reason run into your own endzone and go down lol.

might be wrong but the fumble happened around the 4 yard line and was recovered at the 3rd yard line give or take.
he then willingly ran a yard into the endzone before coming out and fumbling.

if he where to take a knee there it would have been a safety unless you could make the argument that momentum carried him into the endzone.
would be a huge stretch tbh.

not sure if i should be surprised or not that our HC does not know of these details .......

  This...

 

 

It's funny who he'll pick and choose to name in his pressers.  People can be mad at Jernigan, but the spot of the ball would've been horrible.  

[redrum52]

24 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Again......Lineman are taught from a young age to wrap up and secure the ball. A fat man like Jernigan should never have run backwards with one hand/arm on the ball trying to get around the end of the play. Wrap up with both arms and try to push forward at most, or just fall on the ball. simple basic fundamentals. Good chance the Ravens win if he just does what he's supposed to do. Who did he think he was, Haloti Ngata?   lol

FWIW  I may be wrong but I doubt Harbaugh had seen film when he made the end zone comment and just thought that was where it was recovered. 

What makes you think we win if he just holds onto the ball?

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, codizzle said:

Don't really see it as throwing him under the bus.. this team needs accountability and needs to figure out how to be a good team again. Ravens have been a perennial playoff contender. They aren't that at all right now. 

 

 I think harbaugh also needs to learn how to coach a bad team. 

if you want to hold players accountable , should you not at least have a clue about what you are saying?

telling your player he should have taken the safety rather then trying to return a fumble is pretty idiotic to say the least.

you cant just run into your own endzone and take a knee or go down and keep possession.

if jernigan did what harbaugh suggested the jets would have gotten 2 points + great field position.......

 

[Tank 92]

unbelievable.  ha

[BmoreBird22]

11 hours ago, January J said:

I don't blame him for that either- I blame him for not keeping two hands on the ball and/or making sure it was we secured. Its unacceptable. May not have been the reason we lost but cost us 7 points and a huge momentum shift. With all these close games we've been playing every play matters, every penalty matters and every INCH matters. I applaud him for trying to get the offense some space, but once you get it past the 5 yard line just fall on it dude. The fact that it got them a fresh set of downs really took the cake. Seems like stuff like that only happens to us. If it can go wrong- it will. Just like the cj play- not only did that play likely cost us the game- but he hurts himself which then hurt us for the next 2 games. We've just got THE worst luck these past2 years. The football gods cursed us for the ray rice fiasco or somethin.

The offense scores a grand total of 9 points, gets six rushing yards from it's running backs, throws two interceptions, goes 2-8 on third down in the second half, but we're going to pinpoint this one play as the reason they lost...? 

You all are REALLY stretching it here.

Also, it was on second down, so it wasn't like the Jets didn't have two more opportunities to score points. Hell, even if the play doesn't happen and the Jets don't score a touchdown, a field goal STILL makes it a four point game, meaning the Ravens had to score a touchdown. Guess what? The Ravens didn't score a touchdown in the entire game on offense.

Trying to blame the game on Timmy Jernigan and not the ineptitude of the offense is laughable at best.

However, let's say Timmy does fall on it and the Ravens start on the three. Do you really have any faith in them whatsoever that they would move the ball and score points? I don't.

Edited October 25, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, codizzle said:

Don't really see it as throwing him under the bus.. this team needs accountability and needs to figure out how to be a good team again. Ravens have been a perennial playoff contender. They aren't that at all right now. 

 

 I think harbaugh also needs to learn how to coach a bad team. 

When you fail to point out any of the other issues on the team and say that this one player trying to make a play cost you the game, you're throwing him under the bus.

Needing accountability would be something along the lines of saying, "He needs to wrap up. He knows he has to have two hands on it," not, "That one play cost us the game."

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Again......Lineman are taught from a young age to wrap up and secure the ball. A fat man like Jernigan should never have run backwards with one hand/arm on the ball trying to get around the end of the play. Wrap up with both arms and try to push forward at most, or just fall on the ball. simple basic fundamentals. Good chance the Ravens win if he just does what he's supposed to do. Who did he think he was, Haloti Ngata?   lol

FWIW  I may be wrong but I doubt Harbaugh had seen film when he made the end zone comment and just thought that was where it was recovered. 

I see nothing to suggest the Ravens would have won.

[Tank 92]

38 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I see nothing to suggest the Ravens would have won.

K, your opinion. It's mine that a huge momentum shift often occurs after a turnover, especially in the red zone. Winning after that wouldn't be a far reach.

Regardless it was still an amateur mistake and dumber than dumb for a fat slow DL to run backwards into the end zone carrying the ball in one arm. He wasn't going to run away from anyone to improve field position. Winning teams play smart, disciplined football, that gaff was neither.    

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

K, your opinion. It's mine that a huge momentum shift often occurs after a turnover, especially in the red zone. Winning after that wouldn't be a far reach.

Regardless it was still an amateur mistake and dumber than dumb for a fat slow DL to run backwards into the end zone carrying the ball in one arm. He wasn't going to run away from anyone to improve field position. Winning teams play smart, disciplined football, that gaff was neither.    

So, you think that they actually have a chance of moving the ball from the three (assuming he just falls on it) and scoring any points? Keep in mind they got a whole 245 yards on 12 drives and failed to score a single offensive touchdown. Didn't something like 210 yards, give or take, of Flacco's ~250 yards passing come in the first half?

The Ravens had seven offensive drives in the second half. Five of those were a three and out or fewer than four plays. One of those was five because Flacco picked up a first down through the air on first down, then proceeded to go three and out. 

That doesn't inspire confidence. They didn't convert a single third down until that final game ending drive. They were 0-6 prior to that on third down. They also had two interceptions.

I mean, how dare he try to make a play when the offense was failing them time after time. And let's be clear- no one is saying that Jernigan didn't make a mistake by not wrapping up. He absolutely did. However, it is extremely naive to say that he cost the Ravens the game.

Edited October 26, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Tank 92]

 

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, you think that they actually have a chance of moving the ball from the three (assuming he just falls on it) and scoring any points? Keep in mind they got a whole 245 yards on 12 drives and failed to score a single offensive touchdown. Didn't something like 210 yards, give or take, of Flacco's ~250 yards passing come in the first half?

The Ravens had seven offensive drives in the second half. Five of those were a three and out or fewer than four plays. One of those was five because Flacco picked up a first down through the air on first down, then proceeded to go three and out. 

That doesn't inspire confidence. They didn't convert a single third down until that final game ending drive. They were 0-6 prior to that on third down. They also had two interceptions.

I mean, how dare he try to make a play when the offense was failing them time after time. And let's be clear- no one is saying that Jernigan didn't make a mistake by not wrapping up. He absolutely did. However, it is extremely naive to say that he cost the Ravens the game.

"naive to say that he cost the Ravens the game?"  Let's be clear here(LMAO!), that's not even what I said.

Good chance the Ravens win if he just does what he's supposed to do.  Would you rather I say "a better chance of winning"? You never know what might happen with such a huge shift in momentum. Getting the TO in the red zone like that is a play winning teams make, instills confidence and gives everyone a jolt. Often turns team performance and games around, especially tight ones. It happens numerous times every Sunday. 

[flynismo]

After reading those comments by Harbaugh...

As a card carrying Harbaugh fanboy, I am EXTREMELY disappointed at his comments regarding Jernigan.

I'm reading his words, and while I don't think he is directly placing blame on Jernigan for the loss...of all people to criticize, why Jernigan? Why not Flacco after one of the worst second halves of football of his career? Why not Marty? Did we not just fire Trestman for abandoning the run (among quite a few other things)? Why not call out this entire OL that is destroying this offense? Why not the WRs, who as a whole once again failed?

I mean really, this makes me kind of mad. I was already pissed a few weeks ago when he more or less lied to our faces, talking about how "we didn't abandon the run" and then the very next day fires Trestman. Now this? Just....unbelievable. The next time he opens his mouth, it had better be to take accountability for the state of this team. That is what leaders do Harbaugh.

If you read between the lines, it's very clear Jernigan did not appreciate what was said. And who could blame him? I'm pissed about it, and it has nothing to do with me personally...I can only imagine what Timmy is thinking right now.

Bye week could not come a moment sooner. Harbaugh has two weeks to turn this all around.

 

** edit **

I just got to read the whole transcript, not just the paragraph on Jernigan. I definitely think people need to read everything first, not just that paragraph, because it changed the entire context of everything. He certainly isn't "calling out" Jernigan. Put him on the spot a little for sure, but this isn't as big a deal as I originally thought. Still think he didn't have to phrase it the way he did. He didn't say anything that was untrue, he didn't sugarcoat things like he usually does and he didn't "throw him under the bus", so now I'm just a little annoyed, not nearly as mad as I was before. I'm okay with what he said, but not okay with how he said it.

Edited October 26, 2016 by flynismo